I thought the original god devotion mechanic was meant to reflect that the gods of theros only exist because of the collective belief of the mortal population. Without that belief (devotion), the gods cannot exist.
6 ай бұрын
Yeah i miss sets like theros, the lore was so good. So well designed, greek myth is also one of favourite thing
@assault4106 ай бұрын
But the God card itself counts towards the devotion. Does the God believe in itself
@Bob-np2uc6 ай бұрын
@@assault410yes
@Shimatzu956 ай бұрын
I still think their indestructibility should also have been linked to devotion. A god with no followers can be erased.
@dedrick436 ай бұрын
@@assault410That's why the god alone doesn't make itself a creature
@babypuppykitty6 ай бұрын
I always thought of devotion like “your belief makes it real” like your devotion materializes/embodies the god
@JennaDearest6 ай бұрын
IIRC I'm pretty sure lore supports! The gods came into their very existence and power through the belief of mortals on the plane of Theros. And, Gods are fickle beings so I could also see them being like "I ain't intervening for you, you aren't devoted enough." I love Theros so much!
@RibusPQR6 ай бұрын
Amalia plus Wildgrowth Walker doesn't usually gain you as much life as you want. Unless you have a way to interrupt the combo, she keeps triggering the Walker until her power reaches 20 and she destroys him. And if the destroy trigger doesn't work for some reason, the combo becomes truly infinite, causing the game to end in a draw.
@SomeGuy712x6 ай бұрын
(2:50) Whoops, you have Pharika's total score shown as 0, when it should be 9.
@danbradshaw22236 ай бұрын
Given that here in the US it's President's Day, I was trying to figure out an appropriate creature type for a Presidential top 10. My initial thought was either "Citizen" or "Advisor". The more cynical option would be something like "Lord" or "Noble."
@darthparallax52076 ай бұрын
Assuming that most Presidents have past experience in government, Advisor makes the most sense to find a bunch of lawyers.
@jdogx2116 ай бұрын
Seeing these pantheon made me wonder, which sets of themed support artifacts or enchantments have seen the most play? Theroes God's weapons? The Pyrimids from Ahmenket? The relics and weapons from Kaldheim? The multicolored weapons and obelisks from Alara? All sets that have major themes and characters in them, have objects or trappings SIGNIFICANT TOO THEM as cards and features in the game. So, COLLECTIVELY, who's got the most SWAG!?
@mikotagayuna84946 ай бұрын
The Kaldheim gods because they are literally their own weapons on the other side. Plus, they are analogous to the Asgardians and we might be seeing more of them when the MCU set comes out.
@venkelos69966 ай бұрын
This list was a lot of fun, and covered a number of my own favorite Gods of Magic. It is also nice to see that Tibalt, once hailed as basically the WORST Planeswalker, can also score so highly on this list, even if it is kind of cheating. It's Tibalt, though, and that's how he'd do it.😊 I do sometimes forget the impact of EDH, though, ad I totally expected to see Tergrid on this list. Of the Kaldheim Gods, I DEFINITELY didn't expect Redaine to be the other one on here, though numbers support, so I guess Tergrid, the Prismatic Bridge, and some of the others weren't as powerful outside the Commander category.
@crawdaddy20046 ай бұрын
11:37 Wasn’t the most important card in Black Devotion, Pack Rat? Yes, Gray Merchant and Erabos were great payoffs, but the Rat is what made the deck work.
@j_g_t60916 ай бұрын
Pharika not just giving YOU the snake has always irritated me lol
@darthparallax52076 ай бұрын
Back in 2013 she had to be like that for balance. Imagine if Path to Exile got rid of the opponents creature and gave you a land. Lol. In 2024 both Pharika and Path to Exile may be underpowered but they certainly weren't back then. If you look at Magic's 30 year history you'll see a long timeline of cards gaining better and better abilities compared to 1993 while still having to have drawbacks. Remember she is already a 3 to cast Indestructible card, and becomes 5/5 with enough permanents, and is green and black the colors of fastest mana. Elves of Deep Shadow and Llanowar Elves are enough to quickly get to 7. Then she's 5/5 that you didn't spend much on and can pick out graveyard targets quickly. A 1/1 with deathtouch is assumed to be way smaller than the opposing reanimation threat.
@bobbyaustin79896 ай бұрын
heliod isn't really played in amalia because of how it plays with the combo, actually quite the opposite - it lets you sideboard into a much more respectable beatdown plan than the maindeck has when you run into a grindy matchup
@cheesyjamproductions60656 ай бұрын
This reminds me of when Gods were the number 1 strongest creature type on average. That was a while ago, I wonder what that list would look like revisited.
@darthparallax52076 ай бұрын
The Theros Gods remain stronger than Desecrator Demon, and Desecrator Demon and Phyrexian Obliterator are two data points hinting that Black is just not allowed to have any creature that is actually better than Juzam Djinn in an Aggro Deck. (Which is WHY Black was forced to make its whole creature identity about Reanimator combo since Odyssey.) 5/5, 4 mana. That's a big waterline for all creatures in Magic in part because one color is banned from crossing it without a downside. If Black is 20% of all creatures, All of White gets to be much better at midrangey rates Blue they choose to not give strong stats to for game balance reasons but the Reserved List isn't one of the reasons (Serendib Efreet isn't on the List); Sphinxes and Djinn have slowly gotten better as well as midrange Crabs and other cards, but not by a lot, let's say Half of Blue cards tend to fall noticeably short of competing with 1/1 for 1 or 4/4 for 4. (With the other half getting better over time) That's 10% more of All Creatures that generally don't pass the Juzam Test. That's 30% of All creatures that cannot be better than Juzam Djinn. +5 years to Masticore, which was a colorless version of Superman (Morphling) and considered the best creature in its day. Maybe easily besting Serra Angel. If you don't count reanimation targets and think only of the Hardcast, it wouldn't be until Onslaught block provided easy fast tribal zerg rushing that Masticore would diminish in notoriety, that is almost 5 more years over 4 more Blocks (Masques, Invasion, Odyssey, Onslaught) From Juzam to Masticore to Elves/Goblins; what is better than Onslaught? M10 without a doubt. Suddenly lands were a lot better and Lords were quickly getting better and Lorwyn, Zendikar, Scars, and Innistrad were all feeding support for some of the tribal decks. Noticeably Elfball decks were just one of a line of Elves as a tribe picking up where Channel left off; Elvish Piper could get Progenitus and it wasn't really possible to ban all the Elf cards that could drop a fatty, since Llanowar Elves basically counts. Wrath of God was the old control stick, and it was a lot more mana than Tormods Crypt for any thought of graveyard shenanigans. Basically the answer before the Gods hit the scene was "Akroma Angel of Wrath/Baneslayer Angel/Sphinx of the Steel Wind" in Combo And Elves + Eldrazi in aggro. The Eldrazi were basically just 3 cards so there was always a real lingering fear they might just banhammer them, and they don't count the same way as a type with so many powerful examples that banning could never cover them all. 1 Gods 2 Eldrazi/Angels/Sphinxes/Dragons 3 Praetors 4. Elves/Goblins/Merfolk/Zombies 5. Demons and anything like Deaths Shadow with a Drawback 6. Darksteel Colossus and any Very Outdated Combo targets 7. Spiritmonger/Masticore/Morphling 8. Psychatog, Rats, Scavenging Ooze and other things with a gameplan for winning with synergy but might be chumpblocked today. 9. M11 Titans sad to say. 10. Probably Hydras because like Giants they are fair for the mana. You have time to do something if your deck is doing anything. The bottomline is whether someone thinks Gods or Praetors are better. They don't need a reanimation or other cheat spell and they come down fast for what they do. And before the Praetor 2.0 and 3.0 cycles, it probably would have been the Gods without stopping to blink because all of the New Phyrexia ones were Reanimator targets so there's more steps the plan can go wrong on.
@nickbalmes66406 ай бұрын
Glad to see that Hazoret is still doing very well :)
@frenche24806 ай бұрын
Surprised non of the newer Ixalan gods didnt make the list !
@kingginger333529 күн бұрын
In edh, it seems vetter to not have the devotion requirement met than having it online. Enchantments are the hardest permanents to deal with. But tacking Indestructible onto it means its not goint anywhere anytime soon. Unless the opponent has bounce effects. But even that only temporarily slows it down
@shaden4896 ай бұрын
So you made a mistake and said all but one of the kaldheim gods are artifacts on the back and based on how you explained valki you maut of thought he was the exception but you forgot that esika also doesn't have an artifact on her back side as the rainbow Bridge is an enchantment
@jackvogel7016 ай бұрын
Also isn’t alrund just a raven on the back?
@shaden4896 ай бұрын
@@jackvogel701 I always forget about him
@Tinil06 ай бұрын
@@shaden489 We now have multiple layers of people forgetting Kaldheim gods...
@tbonehavoc6 ай бұрын
I love these lists. Thanks for making these for us.
@WatleyDoomCrab6 ай бұрын
I have never understood the Tibalt thing. How would it ever make sense to cascade into a higher mana value? Why did anyone ever allow that to happen?
@NizzahonMagic6 ай бұрын
Because each side of the card had its own mana value.
@marcoottina6546 ай бұрын
@@NizzahonMagic Then you should be able to cast the sides with the allowed mana value, it would make sense
@TheKingNaesala6 ай бұрын
So you have to understand that magic's rules are written like coding language and nothing is intuited. Cascade was "check through library until you find a card with lower mana cost, then cast it" and Modal DFCs were "this card has two sides, when you cast it, pick which side you want to cast." So you'd cascade, cascade would see Valki and go "you can cast that!" and Modal DFC would then chime in "youre casting that? pick which side!" after cascade had finished it's business.
@willielogan48116 ай бұрын
My love still rocking that number 1 spot lol
@reaumwingblade57835 ай бұрын
Kinda surprised about Purphuros, Considering his potency in Commander you'd think he'd be good in constructed too
@andrewsparkes62756 ай бұрын
14:45 - You have that the wrong way around. The other gods are based on the gods of Egypt and Greece, which Amonkhet and Theros are based on, respectively (not "which Theros and Amonkhet are based on, respectively").
@hiimemily6 ай бұрын
If I recall correctly, of all creature types with at least 10 representative creatures, God has the second-highest percentage of creatures with at least one Top 8 appearance, behind only Praetor.
@mikotagayuna84946 ай бұрын
All things, even the gods, must bow down to the Ebon Praetor.
@eliaswolter29556 ай бұрын
Amonketh red was a different breed🔥
@stigmaoftherose6 ай бұрын
Going into this, i wonder if pyrite sancutm would make the list. I know it doesnt make a god token but it does make a god.
@TheKingNaesala6 ай бұрын
Not true about "all but 1" having legendary equipment on the back. Alrund's back is another legendary, his raven. Valki has Tibalt on the back (planeswalker). Esika swaps to the rainbow road enchantment.
@HankusTheTankus3336 ай бұрын
Nizzahon DESTROYS Orthodox Religious Fundamentalist (4k) (Not Clickbait) (Epic)
@ApexZer06 ай бұрын
You made a bit of a mistake at 11:00
@bathsaltcircus96306 ай бұрын
Yeaaaaah!
@Waffletigercat6 ай бұрын
Hazoret is bae.
@hitmangfx71626 ай бұрын
#1? He's got the Flow!...Oh no, the Hazoret can't attack!
@PokeBattlerJaze6 ай бұрын
Heliod, Sun-Crowned? Edit: Didn't realize Hazoret was still seeing that much play, my frame of reference is fucked as shit since I really only play Arena and I rarely if ever see it, fair enough.
@Mississippi_Jack6 ай бұрын
Number 8?
@PokeBattlerJaze6 ай бұрын
@@Mississippi_Jack So it is.
@Rynosaur946 ай бұрын
Pharika has 0 points?
@tommysagemar6 ай бұрын
Saw that to 😅
@marioroz31425 ай бұрын
Not yet gods from Ixalan. Maybe they are still too new.
@davidminor42136 ай бұрын
Was Tergrid close?
@mikotagayuna84946 ай бұрын
She didn't much find success in constructed formats except for EDH where she's always on the verge of being banned.
@garotati63245 ай бұрын
We can only accept, fewer and fewer Brazilian players and now everything is in English and with rules that are difficult to understand in our native language, it is easier to 'reset quit' - RIP MTG WORLDWIDE -, there will be no more new players.
@troublemack98766 ай бұрын
#1 god is jehova
@pr0fess0rbadass6 ай бұрын
Dies to doomblade
@jdogx2116 ай бұрын
How I'd Purphorps NOT on the list amymore!? He's a win condition in so many decks and is a 15$ card!
@WashedOutBanshee696 ай бұрын
He's a win con in commander, which is a casual format. Nizzahon only looks at competitive formats like Vintage and Modern.
@airtempest89456 ай бұрын
I mean, he might get back on the list eventually speaking he is seeing play in the Pioneer World Tree combo since he combo kills with the fire Ojer and God-Eternal Rhonas.
@christopherb5016 ай бұрын
Still would prefer the "Avatar" type as opposed to "God" being a thing.
@KuroiRenge6 ай бұрын
While I get where you're coming from, they aren't the same thing. Avatars are representations of aspects of a higher power, while gods are, well, gods.
@fastydave6 ай бұрын
What you prefer and what is reality are not exactly the same
@TheMinskyTerrorist6 ай бұрын
Why
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor6 ай бұрын
I'd like to remind everyone that Hazoret was a mistake and that whoever designed it is currently locked within a maximum security prison. Just like the guy who tried to assassinate me for asking for "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!