No Budget Reviews: Accidental HubNut Rip-Off Edition: 2007 Citroen Xsara Picasso 1.6 HDi Desire

[@grahamfunnell5590]

I had a 1.6 hdi. It was fast enough and very frugal, returning 55mpg. This engine is reliable if you follow the oil change schedule and use the correct oil. Also check the injector bolts at each service as leaks around the injectors can ruin the engine if left unattended. Cam belt change at 100k or 10 years. Do this and the engine can pass 200k no problem. They don't rust, except around the front sills sometimes. Comfortable and massively spacious and versatile. My old 55 exclusive is still going with 150k and all the extras are working fine. If you don't care about image, this car will get you where you need to be for next to nothing, and you will love it for doing so.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

We don't normally talk about diesels on this channel at all, I just happened to think I was Ian Seabrook from the HubNut channel on the day of filming (my fit of madness has now ended). He really likes these, and they are available for hardly any money these days.

[@christopher9727]

... Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Holy Spirit Can give you peace guidance and purpose and the Lord will John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

[@timelwell7002]

The 2.0 litre HDi engine is the one to go for if possible, with manual transmission. I love these cars, although I've never owned one myself, I have friends who have, and they loved them - as do the mechanics at the garage I used to live next door to.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

The trolley was the best thing of all!

[@stateofmind91]

I'm currently on my second Picasso for use as my daily shed/commuter car. It may be ugly as sin and slow as molasses but it's probably the most comfortable car I've ever sat in and it's certainly the most practical. I've taken all 3 rear seats out of mine which improves fuel economy a touch as they weigh a ton and I never use them. It also means that I have a comparable load space now as a lot of small vans which is handy considering I'm a tradesman. The visibility in it is also fantastic, it's like driving around in a mobile greenhouse as there's loads of glass and quarterlights everywhere, unlike modern cars with massive pillars that feel enclosed and cramped... Its also not that bad to drive, even mine with crap budget tyres doesn't feel like a boat in corners and it's mid range acceleration isn't bad to say its a 1.6 petrol. As long as you don't mind being judged by people in rented 4 pot euro boxes driving one I'd seriously consider getting one while they're still cheap! Good review btw.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Thank you, yes, they are very cheap these days and have a lot of practicality. You are right about the visibility and load space. I found the handling a little wayward, but it is hard surprising given the copious body roll and the tall profile of the car. I would have preferred one of the petrols to test, but they seem to be quite rare.

[@christopher9727]

.. Do you know Jesus Christ can set you free from sins and save you from hell today Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Romans 6.23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

[@lucythemoggy1970]

car is clean then opens a dirty ashtray...

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Must have missed a bit...

[@lucythemoggy1970]

@@lloydvehicleconsulting lol

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

@@lucythemoggy1970 , I won't remind him about it.

[@David_H-73]

Lovely examples are becoming rare now. Huge windscreen and excellent visibility and of course very practical. I am sure the door mirrors and air vents are lifted from the Peugeot 206.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, Wayne's is probably one of the best ones left now. Indeed, a massive windscreen and a huge amount of room inside. I reckon you are right about the door mirrors at least, probably about the air vents too!

[@Charliemart1231]

Yes you are correct. The Air vents, Climate control if it’s electric not turn dials and the mirrors! They are brilliant cars and are hugely underrated.

[@Dpegg10]

So my grans car is rare lol

[@zurcherzurich213]

Still on the road?... I bought one today, 2009, 1600, petrol

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

I think this one has been scrapped, sadly. Thank you for watching and commenting!

[@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain]

Lovely example of a Picasso. Uncle had the earlier Forbidden Fuel engine in his 2001 Picasso, was a great car for him and his young family at the time, only issue he had was the driver's door dropped a bit, later sold for a focus C Max with the 2.0 Forbidden Fuel!

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Oh sir, these MPVs were a huge deal about 15 year ago, and sadly many are now worth very little money. We don't talk about the forbidden fuel engines on this channel, do we?

[@byronmills5952]

I can't beginning to think how many of these I sold back 20 years ago. Massively practical and tough things if they were looked after. General wear and tear and old age is seeing most of them off these days. They are not a sports car and don't drive like one - but they were great family cars for the private buyer.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, they certainly do not drive like a sports car, but then they weren't designed to be one, were they? These have such low values now that they are disappearing very, very quickly. That's right, they were phenomenally popular 15 to 20 years ago, and they just kept on selling.

[@PlanetautoUK]

Excellent mpv’s they took the best of every other mov and added it, well equipped, surprisingly punchy and more engaging when pushed than you’d expect, we miss ours. Clever storage and practicality too also bulletproof engines, well the fuel that should not be mentioned, thank you Joseph

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, this one even had the trolley in the boot! The 2.0 forbidden fuel engine is quite reliable, this 1.6 less so, sadly. A lot of practically and ingenious solutions for not a lot of money!

[@frothe42]

I do remember when Sir HubNut looked at a certain worn out Picasso and went onto something else (what it was I do not remember!) I'm always amazed at the vehicles in your market, how exceptional they are on top of being extremely versatile! They exterior looks aerodynamic, the interior extremely practical, and good fuel economy from that forbidden fuel engine! I did not mind the forward "distractions" (if you could call them that) but that center shoulder belt would drive me to distraction, the only negative I can find fault with this exceptional example! Goodness, recent advertising on local television where I am located are asking 25% MORE for your used vehicle! So if you can get this particular Citroën for under £1,000 in such excellent condition I would have purchased it as well! An excellent review again Joseph!

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

That's right, Ian Seabrook almost bought a really cheap one of these, but instead he decided on the CityRover. Not sure which is best... The forbidden fuel engine is quite economical, but they are known for a lot of reliability issues. The central seat belt in the back was rather annoying, wasn't it? Lots and lots and lots of these are currently for sale for under £1,000, sir!

[@allanfoster6965]

Totally practical. Love those rear seats. 😊

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

It's a surprisingly practical car even today, I just would have preferred to drive a petrol one for obvious reasons....

[@willswheels283]

I quite like these French mpv’s, very practical, comfortable and good to drive and the fact you can remove the back seats and turn it into a van is a bonus, I think these are a little better in some ways than the Renault Scenic’s of the era, you get a proper handbrake for a start not the electric handbrake that often goes wrong and is expensive to fix. Thanks for this review Mr Lloyd, good one again.👍

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Oh sir, you know my views on electronic handbrakes... These are very cheap cars now. Wayne's one is in amazing condition, of course.

[@willswheels283]

@@lloydvehicleconsulting yes it is in good nic, and yes you can buy a good one for less than a grand. The Scenics which are the Picasso’s nearest competitor of the time is good to drive and handles well for its size and shape and similarly priced although I think the Xsara Picasso’s are cheaper. I had a 1.6 Petrol mk2 scenic, but it did give some E handbrake aggro.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

We don't like electronic handbrakes, sir...

[@colinhicks4174]

A friend of mine had one of these. Very roomy and comfortable. Used by her friends and family (and me) as a taxi to Heathrow. It was the 1.6 petrol and did sound a bit busy at motorway speeds. Lack of rev counter was annoying but it sounded like it was around 4000ish. She kept it for 8 years and swapped it for a a C4 Picasso. It has the dubious reputation as being rejected by Hubnut. As the one Ian tested was too bad to buy….. so he bought a City Rover. 🙂

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Ah yes, Mr Seabrook rejected a very knackered old one of these in favour of the City Rover. Didn't mean he doesn't like them, though... The 1.6 petrol certainly would be quite underpowered, the 1.8, 2.0 or the forbidden fuel ones tended to be favoured for heavier loads back in the day. I don't know why they cheapened out on the rev counter for lower end models.

[@mattsbeamer]

I remember Mr Quirks from Planet Auto, he loved that car to bits. Good cars!

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, they had two of them, sir!

[@TomatoSoup100]

How was this comment left a week ago? 🤔

[@mattsbeamer]

@@TomatoSoup100 I’m from the future :p

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

@@TomatoSoup100 , I often film and edit these reviews well in advance of them going live on the channel, and a small selection of people, such as fellow KZbin channels I have worked with and a few people who support the channel on a monthly basis are allowed early access to them.

[@PlanetautoUK]

We loved both 😊

[@pencilme1n]

I got my 1.6hdi 2007 VTX (top spec) brand new for £9,600 with a £6,000 discount. I'm still driving it with the original clutch, exhaust, fuel and water pumps, alternator etc etc. Insurance is £250. I get 60 mpg (so glad I didn't get the petrol) It has good power and torque, built like a tank, serves as a tow car and a van (with the seats out). I can see it lasting 10 years or more yet unless they make it illegal.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, after the C4 Picasso came out, these were available for absolutely ridiculous discounts. I can see why it would be fine for van duties. Thank you ever so much indeed, Wayne, for watching and commenting!

[@markonmotoring]

These and the MK1 scenic were incredibly popular family cars at the time and it's easy to see why.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

That's absolutely right, sir! Both are fast disappearing due to low secondhand values and neglect, but they were very popular with families at the time, and it is the sort of car that doesn't really exist any more on the brand new market.

[@mpersad]

Goodness - those cars used to be everywhere, but I can't remember when I last saw one. Thank you!

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, getting rare now, possibly due to low secondhand values. Wayne's one is actually in really nice condition!

[@garygriffiths2911]

There was a time not so long ago when these things were like rats and Man Utd fans - i.e you were never more than twenty feet away from one. I guess they must have been very cheap to buy because although they are undoubtedly pleasingly practical family friendly vehicles they not very pleasing to the eye I think. Also that centre rear seat belt hanging down from the roof looks quite bizarre. There will come a time I predict when so many people will look back and remember their parents having one of these when they were children the Picasso will gain a certain nostalgic interest.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, you are absolutely right! You just have to look at how expensive cars like Escorts, Cortinas and BXs are starting to become in order to see just how much nostalgia there currently is for older family cars which were ignored for years. These definitely used to be a lot more common than they are now, the massive discounts when new probably meant that they depreciated quite badly, and now most are firmly in No Budget Reviews territory...

[@johndilloway9762]

I bought a VTX just recently, had a strange thing happen on A1 caught up with a C3 looked in mirror and behind me was a C4, what is the chance of that happening, not the best looking but I think for practicality, size, and 58 mpg then not much to beat them.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

That sounds like a weird procession on the A1! These Picassos are still incredibly cheap, if you can find one with decent service history with everything working (and still with the trolley), then they could be bargains.

[@alansimpson835]

Ah Mr Lloyd. I thought for a minute you'd bought a Picasso as your Santa Pod challenge car. This one does seem very well cared for although it looked like the ashtray gave you a surprise. Yes Citroen liked carrying old models on. I remember the AX continuing on after the Saxo as a budget choice, the Saxo overlapped with the C2 etc. It makes sense if people still buy them

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, Volvo were the masters at overlapping models like this, weren't they? As one loses points for a Citroen, and forbidden fuel engines are outright banned, it probably wouldn't be very suitable for Santa Pod, I am afraid. Wayne keeps all his cars in superb condition, we will be going to another show together in September, and then we will be able to show once again just how ridiculous his car detailing skills are.

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

The most common family vacation car in holland from that time mostly with a caravan behind it in the summer. You saw it allot. This citroen car and the Renault scenic and the opel Zafira those 3 mpv’s with children in the back. Mom and dad. Car packed and the caravan behind it Standing in traffic on the E19 to south france .

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Oh yes, sir! I drove two Zafira Bs today, funnily enough, when looking at some cars with a client. Those were definitely very popular, along with the Xsara Picasso and the Scenic. Nowadays, it would be just SUVs instead...

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

@@lloydvehicleconsulting yeah and all the crossovers and suv’s looks the same. No karakter on the roads anymore . And i think that’s sad

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

@@jdnrotterdam2150 , I think a lot of my viewers share that opinion, sir...

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

Great car very stylish and practical when new. Great range of forbidden fuel engines.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

The DLD-416 engine, sir, is not very good, as we found out in the Ford Focus episode...

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

@@lloydvehicleconsulting Didn't know it was also used in the Ford Focus. In any case VAG CR TDI engines are hard to beat. Ford forbidden fuel engines weren't great, do you remember the early non turbo 1.6D

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

@@paulie-Gualtieri. , yes, this is a Ford/PSA engine in this one, I cover it in more depth in the Ford Focus Mark II review. I do know the 1.6 normally aspirated forbidden fuel engine. Very, very slow...

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

@@lloydvehicleconsulting I believe it had an earth shattering 54bhp very slow as you said. Good promotional video about it on youtube when new.

[@Charliemart1231]

Recently acquired one of those off a family friend. 2005 Exclusive, 186k 2.0hdi and it’s a weapon in its own.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

I am afraid that your comment was lost in the KZbin system for over two years. So sorry about that!

[@iida244]

I had the top spec model with auto box paid 400 and sold it for 375 after putting many a mile on its clock

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Wow, these were (and still are) seriously cheap, aren't they? Thank you ever so much indeed for watching and commenting!

[@MattysCars]

I’m so desperate to review one of these!

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

You aren't an ardent Ian Seabrook fan, are you by any chance, Mr Manning?

[@MattysCars]

@@lloydvehicleconsulting I am an Ian Seabrook fan. But I am also a huge Xsara Picasso fan

[@TomatoSoup100]

Ronnie Pickering

[@mickles1975]

Did you say DB6 engine?

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

DV6/DLD-416 engine, sir!

[@mickles1975]

Ah DV6. I was wondering why they'd given the engine the same name as a Messerschmitt Bf109 engine for a minute. Thank you Mr Lloyd.

[@yekateradiffin5939]

@@mickles1975 I thought it was from a Aston Martin

[@mickles1975]

@@yekateradiffin5939 DB in this case stands for Daimler-Benz

[@yekateradiffin5939]

@@mickles1975it would be interesting to shoe horn one in, but would be the ultimate sleeper

[@terrificspokesman7416]

It is in wonderful condition but looks like its been a smokers car

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Correct, sir!

[@seancooke4127]

The Xsara Picasso was very popular. My Sister has 3 children and a dog so she had a Black 2001 2.0 litre HDI and now she has a Gold 2008 1.6 HDI. Both of them were very reliable and practical. Personally, I prefer the 1997 to 2002 Renault Megane Scenic. I know that the Picasso has much more space but the Megane Scenic is a far more engaging drive. I found the Picasso to have too much roll. I would prefer the Xsara Picasso to the Ford S Max which tries to be sporty, yet forgets that it is almost the size of a Ford Galaxy. How did you find visibility? Possibly you could compare the 1.6 HDI to a petrol version if you ever get offered one. I really enjoyed this because of the family connection. I have driven a 1991 Citroën BX 1.7 TGD in the early 90s and I found it very comfortable, well designed and economical. A shame that the steering was very heavy when parking. I believe that the 1.9 diesels came with power steering. Really looking forward to the BX. Unbelievable stopping power.

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Once again, sir, please accept my apologies, but I have only just seen this comment from over two years ago!

[@hoddy121john]

Great review Joseph, that car is spotless, great value for money.i like the way u got 'most of the time anyway ' funny nice one sir

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, I have to explain how the car got on the channel somehow!

[@johnedwards3198]

You could never do a true Hubnut channel... Predominantly as your cars work (normally). Its not Hubnut, Furious Driving or LMM unless something is breaking down or being bodged

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Well sir, Mr Richardson, Mr Rose and I owe a great deal to Ian Seabrook. We probably never would have ever got started on our KZbin channels in the same way without HubNut's inspiration. Yes, the cars on the channel normally work, but predictably....

[@mikes747]

I wouldn't touch a 1.6 hdi! Terrible reliability from the turbo! Doesn't matter how well it's been looked after it will go bang! Speaking from painful experience! I had that engine in a focus,one owner from new with a perfect service history- did 6000 miles only and it died! Dreadful and best avoided at all costs! 2.0 hdi is a little belter though!

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, we covered the infamous DV6/DLD-416 engine at length when we did the Ford Focus Mark II. Not the most reliable...

[@terrificspokesman7416]

2.0 hdi is a better engine for reliability

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Yes, the good old DV6/DLD-416 engine is not great from that respect!

[@mihaicaldarar]

Salut

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Salut!