NO Connection Between Tie Rod and Wobble- 2018+ Honda Goldwing w/ Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics

[@allenmurray6393]

My '21 GL1800BD wobbled only at 45mph, but only if my hands were off the bars. It happened with the original tire (Dunlop) . Then it stopped with the replacement tire(Bridge stone). It recurred with the 3rd tire (Dunlop). I installed the counterweight you provided and Voila! The bike behaves normally. It is such a relief to ride now. Thanks!

[@texasdeplorables]

I've got the same bike and same wobble scenario at 45mph . I've currently got 9000 miles on the bike. Out of curiousity, how many miles did you have on the tires when you changed them?

[@gandmemoney]

Max thanks , my bike was so unstable from 50 to 40 . Honda refused to help me. I installed your tie rode and bushing , stable as a rock. Handles like a sports bike , what a pleasure now. Best 233 dollars spent. Your direction are outstanding. I recommend anyone with a 2018 and up do this.

[@Traxxion]

That's awesome, thanks for sharing!

[@NitroG66]

Valuable information. My 2021 Goldwing front end started to wobble while on a road trip. Now I know where to look. Thanks Max,

[@Traxxion]

You got it!

[@chrisc6874]

got the trax tie rod on m,y 18 and it made a huge difference. Had some play before. Also, have the centramatics on my wheels. Glass smooth ride at all speeds!

[@johnanderson9735]

Thanks for a great honest explanation on what needs to be considered for getting rid of the wobble.

[@Traxxion]

Glad it was helpful!

[@javierespinosa1587]

I have the Trax tie rod and it changed my life! Also have the centramatic balancers and as noted already, glass smooth and sharp handling. Thank you Max and team.

[@darrenandersson4366]

Around 40,000 miles my 2019 developed a wobble 30-40 mph, especially upon deceleration. Found that steering head "tuning fork" bearings had loosened. No idea why. They were tightened up and bike rode like new again.

[@Traxxion]

There you go... it's very rare, but clearly it does happen!

[@dogbone1358]

No wobble but drifts to the left. Love the shine on your bike!

[@m.f.m.67]

You guys should tackle the (aerodynamic?) weave on the BMW K1600b and GA models. Whoever could come up with a fix for that could rake in some $$.

[@Traxxion]

One miracle at a time... :) I think I may have heard about that problem.

[@m.f.m.67]

Well, just in case you get bored and want a REAL challenge!😁@@Traxxion

[@Traxxion]

Aeroflow Aerowings supposedly help...@@m.f.m.67

[@apriliajo5030]

Thanks again for terrific engineering support!

[@Traxxion]

Our pleasure!

[@alp3781]

I have the same issue, same speeds as others, on my 2020 DCT Tour. I eat it, for now, cause soon I will need to replace the front. I hope it will fix it. The OEM tie rod has maybe 2 mm play. I, also raised the front up a bit and checked for any play on stem and wheel bearing, nothing !!!! I do believe its the OEM tire. I hope.....!

[@bobford638]

I had a 45mph wobble on my 2018. Front tire relatively new and no visible problem. Changed the tire. No more wobble.

[@Traxxion]

Tire defects are inside of the carcass half the time, and you'll never "see" them. You just gotta eat a tire.

[@pakviroti3616]

I've owned a 2013 Goldwing and a 2016, both had a slight wobble while decelerating from 40 to 30 mph. It wasn't pronounced and it didn't affect handling.

[@Traxxion]

You have to include the language "when I took my hands off the controls". I am certain it didn't wobble with your hands on the bars.

[@pakviroti3616]

@@Traxxion Well, then you would be wrong. The wobble would occur during deceleration starting at ~40mph until you reached ~30mph. It wasn't pronounced but it was certainly noticeable. Both my 2013 and 2016 Wings did it. My 2014 Gold Wing Valkyrie did not have a wobble, but it had different tires. My 1998 GL1500 Valkyrie did not have the wobble. I have over 50 years of riding experience, I wouldn't state something that wasn't factual. You might want to retract your assertion.

[@Traxxion]

@@pakviroti3616 I've been working on Goldwings for 40+ years. You are the only person I have ever heard of who had a 2001-17 Goldwing that wobbled with his hands on the bars... never mind two.

[@whatsupeh1]

Useful information, as always. Thanks. I have yet to experience a wobble of any kind on my ‘21 GWT in 24,000 miles. You mentioned something about a wobble in some older Wings. I had an ‘86 Aspencade, years ago. It had a wobble at about 30 mph that was only perceptible if I loosened my grip. I just lived with it, since it wasn’t a major issue. I knew about it and it was easily controlled, so I never even mentioned it to a mechanic. Everything seemed tight and therefore, I assumed it was just inherent to the GoldWings of the day. But why was that? Was there an issue with my particular bike, or WAS it just inherent to the brand?

[@Traxxion]

That's a dissertation... but steering bearings and sacked out suspension are the main causes.

[@whatsupeh1]

@@Traxxion; Yes, I do tend to get a bit long winded. 😜 But thanks. It’s as suspected.

[@Traxxion]

@@whatsupeh1 no sorry... I meant if I were to fully explain why Goldwings wobble, THAT conversation would be a dissertation!

[@whatsupeh1]

@@Traxxion; Haha… Got it. 😊 No worries.

[@mattrayburn4690]

I hear what you’re saying but can only relay the cause and effect relationship that I observed on my 2019. Factory tire rod at 21K miles and new tire- old man hands off wobble at 45 MPH. New expensive TD tie rod installed- wobble gone.

[@Traxxion]

Some of our parts are magic!

[@faisalkandrani7807]

My 2023 Honda glodwing GL1800 DCT wobbled only at 80-70 km/h, but only if my hands were off the bars. It happened with the original tire and my bike just doing 6000 km and I think this since I buy the bike first I think this wobble form the street condition . yesterday I install the centermatic wheel balancers and the wobble become more ! ? so any suggestion to solve this problem?

[@Traxxion]

Remove the centramatic wheel balancers, they are not necessary as you now know. Regular wheel weights are fine. Then replace the front tire, it is defective.

[@michaelneely7542]

I just experienced a wobble in my front steering I found out that my front wheel bearing were wore out

[@Traxxion]

On a 2018+ bike? How many miles?

[@michaelneely7542]

@@Traxxion 27000 miles

[@Traxxion]

That's unusual...@@michaelneely7542

[@michaelneely7542]

27000 miles

[@josephbolz4550]

Tried Metzler's last time. Bike wobbles slightly above 65mph. I'll back to Bridgestones next go. That is if I don't get rid of this pos after the recall is done

[@CraigKressner]

I have a 2019 with about 40k on it. No issues until I had another set of Bridgestones installed. Shook bad at 45 ish. Smooth out until about 60. Then bad again. I took it back, dealer put another front tire on it. Shook less, but still bad. Went back. This time they tighten the bearings and put Dunlops on it. It shook less. As I have put miles on the tires the shake is getting worse. At 60+, it feels like there is a thump in the front tire. So after three sets of tires and tightening the bears, I got to think something else is happening. Dealer does not know. Any ides?

[@Traxxion]

Have to go back to: It didn't shake before the dealer worked on it. Are you saying your bike shakes while you are holding the handlebars? Or is this something where you are riding with your hands off the bike?

[@CraigKressner]

@@Traxxion it shakes while holding the handle bars. You can see it shake more is you loosen your grip. It also has a noticeable thump you can feel when you get to about 60. I asked if there was any damage to the rim. Shop said no. The shop said they used the Bridgestones on a trade in that took off my bike. Did not shake. In keep thinking the bears. Just a guess.

[@Traxxion]

@@CraigKressnerIt's the front tire.

[@CraigKressner]

I guess it is time four tire number four. Could the balancing machine at the dealer be off? Thank you for getting back to me. If I ever get it right, I will let you know what happened. Merry Christmas! @@Traxxion

[@Traxxion]

@@CraigKressner If you know how to take your wheel off, just carry it to another shop and have them check it. If there are LOTS of weights on it, something is wrong.

[@stevedavis2056]

I have a 2006 1800 CSC TRIKE.39,000 miles rides perfect till I reach 65 mph then I start to have a front end vibration if I back off even 2 mph the vibration stops. If it take it to 70…… starts to get scary….. any ideas Thanks SdRider

[@Traxxion]

Yes, put our AK-20 Axxion Cartridge Kit into the front forks and it will be a revelation.

[@chocolate1126969]

Max can I please purchase the tip over protection for my 2021 Honda goldwing

[@Traxxion]

Very very very soon. We might start taking order next week.

[@dogbone1358]

Me too.

[@nbitzis]

Me three!

[@gbinman]

Did Honda sue you?

[@Traxxion]

Over what? Honda has never said a word to me.

[@TimBarnett-pl9kd]

I had wobble in my 86' Yamaha Venture Royal. I'm not saying it can do anything for GW, or your situation here. But every bit of knowledge adds up to wisdom! Bike wobbled, sometimes violently, right at 45 mph. Almost every time going Through 45mph was mental game. No one could solve. So I called Yamaha in Japan, told them my wobble problem? Yamaha solution was to place bike on center stand. Loosen engine mounting bolts. (Loosen, but don't remove mounting bolts!) While in running position, start an warm up bike. Then shift too first an continue shifting through all gears. Then shift back down through gears, for total 5 times. Stop motor. Re-tighten engine mounting bolts too spec's. This revving engine up an down through gears several times, lined up engine an drive system. It worked, I never had another wobble!

[@Traxxion]

That's kooky!!! I don't think I've ever heard that before. I wonder how they figured that procedure out??!?!

[@TimBarnett-pl9kd]

Knowledge is power! I was surprised at Yamaha wobble fix. I would have never thought of this operation!?

[@TimBarnett-pl9kd]

This is way I'm telling you about this operation. I wouldn't have thought to do this, an no one else had either. So, because none of us would come up with something this crazy, I'm letting you know!

[@javig5045]

Max the timing of this video is perfect for me, as I was just on a 5 state trip and this happened to me, a couple of times I had my hands off the grips and all of a sudden the wobble, but as soon as I grabbed them it stopped, so if the tie rods have nothing to do with this problem how is it that it stops it from wobbling as soon as I grab the handlebars again, I have not noticed any looseness in the front end, by the way I have a 2021 Godwing, as far as I can figure a bump on the road will set it off wobbling and I had not had this happen with other bikes I've owned, it's disconcerting to say the least.

[@Traxxion]

You got it Bill!

[@bernhards.8529]

These wobbles are a self-reinforcing effect. When you have your hands on the steering you are changing the damping of the system and get the resonance out of the system.

[@Traxxion]

@@bernhards.8529 A bike with properly set up and functioning suspension won't do any of the common wobble behaviors. You can set the cruise control on a bike with Traxxion Suspension on it and drive from coast to coast with your hands off the bars and you'll never have a wobble.

[@bernhards.8529]

​@@Traxxion I'm fully with you: Normally no wobbles should occur at any speeds or conditions. But the question here was, why the wobble starts/stops, when having the hands off/on the steering.

[@Traxxion]

@@bernhards.8529 The why is a myriad of possibilities, which would take a dissertation to attempt to explain. But in my 40+ years of professional experience with motorcycles, 90% of wobbles are caused by undersrung forks with inadequate damping. Fix the forks and the bike will not wobble any more, even under decel with no hands on the bars.

[@javig5045]

MAX WHAT'S UP WITH ALL THE BIG & SOPHISTICATED WORDING ALL OF A SUDDEN, WTF DO WE NEED A DICTIONARY NOW FOR THESE INFOR VIDEOS, so you went to college, good for you, in layman's term if you don't mind.

[@Traxxion]

I have never attended college. But I do have an exceptional command of the English language for a High School Graduate!