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[@woodypwx]

ID.7 has surprisingly good range. It’s significantly higher weight and a larger car. Also, I thought its 6.5 sec to 100km/h would be slow for me, but now I’m always driving in Chill mode in my Model 3 LR to keep family happy and that’s 7.5 sec 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@darcsentor]

lol, my family always wants me to drive in “chill” mode too. They all get car sick on corners at average speed for me. My car takes around 11 sec to 100km/h. Would love a higher performance car but don’t think the family would survive.

[@happysporran]

You couldn't have tried any harder to make it a fair test👍

[@georgepelton5645]

This is a great test. Measuring the kWh needed to recharge includes heat losses when charging, so you can compare actual cost of road trips.

[@teslooja]

Id7 for the win. Big car.

[@Lascarnn]

I remember 2 years ago all Tesla fanboys were shouting "VW is 10 years behind Tesla, they won't be able to make efficient car!". Oh I don't like that fanaticism.

[@sorinelpustiu5674]

They still are,Tesla has twice the power my friend.Are we really comparing 450hp+ with 280hp? I own a VW EV and it is honestly ancient compared to my Model Y .Did i mention a ID7 costs 50% more? i must've forgot.

[@Lascarnn]

@@sorinelpustiu5674 You're getting very emotional, so I don't know if you're even open for discussion. Unfortunately it's typical. Anyway - My EV has 200 hp and in 99% cases I'm still completely fine with Eco mode. It's still a LOT. What I was referring to was that 2 years ago I heard tons of times from Musk fanatics that VW will never be able to reach Tesla level and here we see it's not true. Of course, Tesla is more powerful, but ID7 is FAR more luxurious car than TM3 - the sound isolation, the seats, the suspension, etc. Even if comparing to Highland, which still is noisy in the cabin for today's standards.

[@sorinelpustiu5674]

​@@Lascarnn so i stated facts,i said i own both, and again we are comparing 280hp with 450hp,do you think it makes no difference in efficiency? I owned 22 different car makes, I'm not a Tesla fan or a VW fan.I'm a car fan. Btw,Tesla Model Y was the most sold CAR in the world in 2023,to say Tesla is not dominating shows ignorance to a high degree.

[@aaronbounds1336]

VW has about 14,000 people working on software, and Tesla has about 150. Talk about efficiency.

[@ATORO1]

​​​@@LascarnnIt seems your technical facts don't really lined up. I can understand where the frustration comes from but calling others fanatics and bring luxury to efficiency comparison is quite the emotional value added. But overall they were wrong. It was not 10 year difference. VW catch up a lot in 2 years. Now few more years to match in AWD to AWD or RWD to RWD efficiency.

[@jelledenburger992]

I almost thought this would be the video where you announce you bought a Tesla ;-)

[@abraxastulammo9940]

People have to realise you can't just terminate a lease contract 🤷

[@mba668]

Why should he if ID7 is better?

[@xXxM4nuxXx]

8:28 The advantage of this issue is that you pay the same for 52.0 kWh or for 52.99kWh and you can see the amount after coma before stopping the charge

[@DanielTudor-qw7oc]

There is big different in consumption between 18 " and 19 " wheels on TM3, around 10% at least...

[@mipmixchannel]

it has to be compared to a RWD M3 !!! NOT AN AWD !!! from my point of view it's not fair ...

[@Foersom_]

@@mipmixchannel the ID7 RWD motor has more torque (545 Nm) than the dual motor Tesla 3 LR.

[@SeeliLeck3r]

I love the Tesla fanboys still annoyed and angry... I mean, this is only a car, chill out for a change. You love your Tesla, great, but please, accept that they are not the best in everything 🙃

[@lulzimi]

I'm looking at the estate/touring version of ID.7. Will you be able to compare that to the ID.7 Sedan?

[@infernovideo]

Great test, thanks for sharing all of the details. Maybe you can get an AWD ID.7 to compare since you can't get a RWD LR 3?

[@jjonkie]

No heatpump ? thats asking for a winter test..

[@e94mli]

I really like the actual consumption numbers from the charger, nobody else does that. 👍👍

[@stevomoto]

Would be great to see this test with both cars running from 100% to zero for a perfect comparison.

[@gunnarchristoffersson7629]

Thanks for a very informative, interesting and funny video. Good job!

[@ricokaden6562]

The VW was PAID, I want a re test 😂

[@BatteryLife]

Thank you

[@henvan8737]

For autopilot you don't have to squeeze the steering wheel, just apply a light steering torque. I find in my Tesla if I am looking ahead and not at the screen constantly like you are the internal camera sees you are driving correctly and almost never askes me to confirm a steering torque test.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@henvan8737 just tape off the camera?

[@tsh4k]

@@abraxastulammo9940 It will show a "camera blocked" warning and then you have to apply frequent torque to steering wheel.

[@EBali21]

How much do these types of batteries hold in the vw? How much is the degradation at 100,000 km?

[@hankmoody7521]

For me: either Model 3 SR RWD or ID.7 Pro S Tourer with the big battery.

[@KristianKratochvil]

For Tesla vehicles just connect them to Tessie or Tronity where you get your statistics even if you are not the owner of the vehicle

[@tN0able]

It says „42 kWh added during last charging session“ on the Tesla app screenshot 🤔

[@abraxastulammo9940]

But he had to change the stall

[@tN0able]

@@abraxastulammo9940 sure but also repeated the charging on another day

[@HanYou2]

I test drove a model y and id.7 last week, ordered the id.7 86kwh. I think the id.7 is better value than the model 3. The base model is only a few grand more expensive but you get more range, more space, more comfort. If all you need is more sporty then model 3 is better

[@chdancer22]

I bought one. Very happy

[@psandbergnz]

Not enough on the driving experience, including comfort and refinement, between the two cars!

[@runeversveen9598]

🤨 strange charging result…..

[@rempha]

Heaving the 18” aero wheels for Tesla gives you 10% more range/efficiency when comparing with 19” sport wheels.

[@abebegirmay3327]

What about the price? Did you compare the price of both cars you have in the video?

[@Robert-bv7of]

Might as well compare price since he’s comparing RWD and AWD. 😂

[@abebegirmay3327]

@@Robert-bv7of Both are AWD but I do think the VW is more expensive than the Tesla compared in the video

[@pernommensen1012]

Well done 👍

[@deurkl]

Keep in mind in Germany online you can get good discounts on the ID models if you don’t mind having no dealer as contact person, about 25% of the list price at least!

[@jirispinar6220]

How?

[@deurkl]

@@jirispinar6220 For example at APL

[@abraxastulammo9940]

​@@deurklNo

[@jellyd4889]

25pc is impossible. 10pc maybe. Carwow und ähnliches, EU reimporters, bei VW Händler Angebote Online. Usw. Wer sucht, findet.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@jirispinar6220 Due to the "Agenturmodell" of sales there are basically no dealer given discounts (maybe up to 1000 EUR), it all depends on VW's own promitional activities like "VW Umweltprämie" or such. Maybe an artificial 2nd hand market does not have these limits, so the car could be registered first and then passed on to the customer with discounts.

[@karelski]

In the Netherlands, the ID.7 Pro Business with heatpomp costs €61,770 and the Tesla in this color and rims costs €52,990. This is probably the biggest difference between these cars 😜. And the GTX Business €71.580,- 😭

[@fabi-9971]

The VW is much more car.

[@colonelccccc]

ID7 is built better, has a more comfort in the suspension, software is worse I give you that, but still to me a better car for many reasons, not to mention the terrible Tesla service and warranty, and don't bring the supercharger in this discussion, they're now available for almost everyone.

[@karelski]

@@fabi-9971 that's right, but for a private buyer that is a lot of money. I don't think the ID.7 is worth that

[@wiktorturo2417]

ID7 is Model S size

[@did00p]

@@fabi-9971 is it really worth 20 000 euros more??? for 20 000 you can have 2-3 year diesel for long trips for "free"

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Does Tesla have a sticker with recommended tire pressures? 🤔

[@woodypwx]

central screen is showing the optimal (2.9 Bar) as well as measured pressure for each wheel (it has active measuring, unlike ID.7 ABS based relative one). I’m using 3.1 bar for better range, but less comfort

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@woodypwx If it is 2.9 Bar, why does he claim 3.1 is the intended factory value?

[@fgerstm2069]

It would be better to compare it to the MY.

[@Foersom_]

No, compare it with Tesla S that is the same size segment as ID7.

[@jamesraisonx]

​@@Foersom_correct

[@arthimodo]

So, the first time, you preheated by navigating to the SuC, but don't know, how much it charged (pre-heating loss during drive => higher consumption). The second time, you do know, how much, but did you also preheated enough or did the car preheated during charging? Thats a big difference. So, for me, there is an excuse again. By the way, the car also shows, how many kWh you charged.

[@S4L55]

Vw looks more efficient, winner

[@tsh4k]

He compared AWD Tesla vs. RWD ID.7 with half the horsepower. The AWD ID.7 is much less efficient of course.

[@andrew7455]

Are you going to test Xpeng G6?

[@mba668]

No !! No Chinese cars! China government tries to ruin the carmakers as they did with solar!

[@SFzip]

ID.7 not coming to the U.S. anytime soon.

[@wonderboy75]

😢

[@sorinelpustiu5674]

A buddy in the UK is the general manager for the biggest VW dealership and they have not sold a single Id7 since it came out . The salespeople all have bets on who will finally sell one. Id7 is a flop unfortunately,WAY too expensive

[@colonelccccc]

Indeed, the price is too high, but still they wont discount it and prefer to let all the stock rot in-place, and these cars are not petrol cars, the more they keep them the less they're worth.

[@LuciaGomez-yb3om]

You see the M3H everywhere on the road i haven’t seen the ID7 yet. Have to say that the ID reputation is very very bad due to all the software FAILS last years

[@wassap786]

They arent sold through the dealerships though, they are sold through the fleet network in the main, and i know quite a few people that have ordered one as company cars, VW are doing pretty good deals on them.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

​@@wassap786They outsold EQE and i5 last month in Germany

[@ora10053]

I saw more Fisker Ocean cars in the wild in Germany than the id.7 :D

[@Robert-bv7of]

You might consider comparing 2 similarly speced cars. Either both AWD or both RWD.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

But at the same time it needs to be the same weight. 😅

[@tesladude1683]

@@abraxastulammo9940 Weight is only a disadvantage when accelerating. If it has regen a higher weight is better. At constant speed weight is really no issue. Cd/Cw (wind efficiency is the deal) But AWD vs RWD is not a fair comparision.

[@Foersom_]

@Robert,The ID7 RWD motor has more torque (545 Nm) than a Tesla 3 LR with dual motors (493 Nm). What is unfair is that Tesla 3 is a size class smaller than ID7. ID7 is same size as Tesla S.

[@colonelccccc]

ID7, if it was a little bit cheaper, it could overtake Tesla MY, at the actual asking price, no chances.

[@rasmussrensen6119]

I agree. It's just a stupid price.

[@UhOhUmm]

They can't make them fast enough as it is, why would they make the price lower?

[@woodypwx]

ID.7 is a larger, more comfortable and a better equipped car. Compare it’s price to Model S

[@colonelccccc]

@@woodypwx No, for that VW has the Taycan, which to me, is better in every way.

[@colonelccccc]

@@UhOhUmm because Tesla is offering for around 15K less a comfortable/family car that goes a bit further with good software, but bad build quality. As much as I'd like an ID7, the 62K bare minimum for it is too much, I'd go for it for 10-8K less.

[@emilsohn1671]

Yes yes this test looks nice and all, but the ID7 doesn't have a heat pump. Tesla 3 is still king, as it will perform more evenly across the seasons due to the Heatpump.

[@Vercixx]

@@emilsohn1671 but you can spec it with the heatpump

[@Foersom_]

Tesla 3 is also a size class smaller than ID7.

[@Bemx2k]

ID 7 pro with similar price to Tesla Model 3 LR could be a Tesla killer .

[@lukewdk2482]

That’s why it’s not and won’t be.

[@christianlinke380]

In Germany starting price is pretty close between Id 7 and M3 LR.

[@itsatrap7215]

Nothing is a Tesla killer. Like nothing is a Honda killer, Or a VW killer, or a Toyota Killer. nothing is going to deciemate one brand.

[@Zereniti77]

Mdel 3 is just too small for me. I can’t sit in the back seat, I feel like I’m sitting very low on the ground overall, and the hatchback on the iD.7 is superior. Frunk on M3 is cool though. Oh, and I hate the lack of indicator stalks on M3. I hate, hate, hate it. Designed by someone who never drives in a roundabout. Also semi-functional automatic wipers, no ultrasound sensors, all for penny-pinching. Not to mention the fact that CEO and majority owner of Tesla is a crazy person bent on ruining the world.

[@framelessmonk1724]

We test drove the ID4. It is felt old even compared to the Ford MachE. The Hyundai twins are way better executed than the ID4 as well. It feels VW simply slapped an EV powertrain on one of it's ICE platform. Sales persons seemed clueless about this product. An ex-colleague had an ID4. But sold it within 2 years replaced by a Model Y. Now that VW has given up on its EV innovation and partnering with Rivian, we might see some innovative products in the coming year.

[@wonderboy75]

(Edit: Maybe you didn’t like the ID4, and that’s fair, but) The ID4 is an built on an entirely new EV platform called MEB. The E-Golf that is also a very nice EV was built on the old ICE platform. (Btw, I actually like some of the interface «real buttons» in the Golf better than the ID4.) The new ID4 2024 has improved in many areas though.

[@TomasitsAkos]

Tesla MY for family or M3 perf for fun. Both are a lot cheaper and for me a lot better as well.

[@henvan8737]

I find your efficiency figures difficult to understand. The ID-7 is a larger and heavier vehicle the coefficient of drag is poorer compared to Model 3 and your figures indicate the efficiency is slightly better compared to Model 3. I think you need another approach.

[@LuciaGomez-yb3om]

Model 3 highland is a winner! Dual motor allot more performance and actually the same consumption. ID7 GTX is way to expensive.

[@Foersom_]

ID7 with RWD motor has more torque than a Tesla 3 LR with dual motors. About consumption, the ID7 does great considering it is a size class larger than Tesla 3.

[@tsh4k]

@@Foersom_ You repeat this over and over in the comments but it's an irrelevant stat. The 0-60 time for the ID7 is 50% slower.

[@14energy]

In my market the difference between these two cars is approx 20k eur. No brainer, tesla wins

[@Foersom_]

"No brainer, tesla wins" OK, Tesla is a winner, for people without a brain.

[@martinnnbeno]

In my country there is no difference after regular discount Skoda Enyaq vs Tesla Model Y. The engine is same 210kW and I can confirm superb efficiency on 19" wheel.

[@i.p2088]

I will buy an electric car when people will stop taking about the range.. How long it takes to charge.. Terrible experience.

[@fbagostinho]

Who calculates the avg consumption / km with charging loss? 😂 These calculation are pointless and very inaccurate. Both cars have the same consumption reported from the trip meter and for the id7 thats amazing! Claiming better consumption for the id7 is wrong and you know it...

[@MajoNos]

Man chill out…

[@tdome3000]

He also showed you the car's average consumptions, you junkie.

[@colonelccccc]

Hey man, if you have shares in VW no need to lose your sh** here.

[@Vercixx]

The consumption with charging loss shows how much you pay/km, so it's not pointless at all. Without charging loss (e.g. from the trip meter) it shows you how much range you could get.

[@hummerltheOh]

You wanna know who uses this "pointless" consumption value including charging losses? The "Worldwide harmonised Light vehicles Test Procedure"... maybe WLTP rings a bell 😉