No Guild Raids Forever [TPD]

[@Insomnii95]

“We’ll get a ranged” *invites a DK*

[@LetoZeth]

pretty sure he meant to say melee.

[@robertfancyman3873]

Howling Blast is ranged :^)

[@Clauselle]

xPRIVATEMAIDENx Unholy can actually do an entire rotation out of range if he has 6+ Pustulent Pustures on its target :^)

[@killval849]

^^this is what I tell my guild all the time, "the one's that have never played unholy" if you talent properly you can be more ranged than melee, basically every ability aside from festering strike.

[@LeonusStawalker]

Back during the early legion prepatch the best way to play unholy was literally using no abilities that required melee range (the ranged scourge strike was so overtuned at the time it wasn't worth casting festering strike). The only thing you lost out on by not being in melee was your autoattacks.

[@javierputter]

Yo Frankhi here. I normally dont comment on youtube videos, but i have an idea who you were talking about with the 3 leaving in ToS. Im sad the guild died, because it was my home, even after i stopped raiding. Anyways i always had a blast raiding with you, not because of the youtube stuff but because you are a really enjoyable guy to be around. Best of luck with raiding when you get your new guild.

[@harold926]

Awesomebeard here,for me it was a blast aswell to raid with the guild lots of laughs and bants while having solid progression especially considering the raiding times and no split runs.It sucked that i had to step out myself due to work schedule but for me it was the most fun guild i have ever been in.i was really surprised when i found out the guild was quitting because it was a really strong guild with really good leadership.

[@viridian765]

Met some really good people here, people who I will likely call friends for life, I enjoyed every raid we had in this guild and made some good memories, sad it had to end this way but oh well, on to bigger and better things!

[@Intox7792]

u n l u c k y :)

[@Azurielle]

@Frub You're the pettiest person I have ever had the misfortune to meet. I'm surprise anyone can tolerate you. This guild was the best guild I have ever been in and probably you too, or you wouldn't still be salty about it this long after getting yourself kicked.

[@Intox7792]

lol the way you type makes me think that you are the only one salty around here, no need to turn this to a drama, good luck finding a new guild btw xoxo

[@williamathon4068]

Sucks about the guild man. Keep your head up and do what you enjoy. Love your content and love what you do. You've helped me and many others become better players. Looking forward to seeing your next step. Cheers.

[@zereaper13]

My guid falling apart would make an adequate Drama time story, but I’ll make a super short version here. Joined the guild at the start of Legion, levelled to max with our main tank and healer, got to know them really well, cleared EN normal and HC just before Nighthold came out. This is where things started to go wrong... our GM’s mrs’ (yes, it was a couples guild) started getting into arguments with our top rogue and Mage.... So me and the Rogue got our Curve outside of the guilds raids and abandoned ship, we both transferred away to other realms to play with friends, but before the rogue left the guild (about 2 weeks before mind you) he took some basic raiding supplies from the vault. This cause the GM’s mrs’ to kick off at both him and me, despite me not doing anything wrong. This drama made another one of the top raiders to server jump and faction swap with me. And to this day us three still talk on my private Discord server, and we’re all still good friends. Apparently the GM’s mrs’ spread a load of false info about me so everyone left in the guild hates me.... fuck knows why, I like Garrosh, did nothing wrong. XD

[@Stormclaw1]

13 years in and the guild I run has raided since early vanilla. but it takes some real effort to keep alive

[@MInquisition]

c. Trial of Valor Mythic release week, I picked up Guarm's mythic leather boots from our kill that night. 885 boots, nice pair, some good haste/crit on them, just what I needed to hit the weights I wanted on my MW monk. Huge reward for progression on that fight, we're doing good, feels rewarding. That same night, after the raid, I went and did a M+11, and got a similar 885 cloak. I put in half as much work. I put in no progression whatsoever. I didn't grind my face in to get this one. It just kinda happened. I felt incredibly demoralized for the work I put into M Guarm, because I just got an equal reward from M+11. The next morning our guild broke up due to some IRL drama among officers, I felt zero reason to resub or find a new guild.

[@JPrescottQ]

This happens so often to up and coming raid teams. When a raid team doubles its world standing like Preachs' group did, that comes at a significant cost of time and effort. The allure for some to push in to a top 100 guild is incredibly strong, whereas the burnout for for the average member is going to be quite high. This push/pull dynamic is the slayer of many a team; but the good news is that it usually works out for everyone. The guys who want to push hard shouldn't have a hard time getting accepted into a more progressed guild, and the more average players get to take a break, recharge, and usually come back for the next expansion.

[@fakeaccntsoicanlogin]

Yea it sucks when guilds fail. Amazingly mine has been going strong since TBC, which is basically unheard of at this point

[@TheMMObro]

fakeaccntsoicanlogin mine too but even tho i knew them and had friends in them, i joined in legion

[@raliloth4155]

Makes 3 of us ours is 10 years old

[@fakeaccntsoicanlogin]

5 from TBC, about 17 counting those from wrath, which is when we really solidified things.

[@ronibopshop]

You are so lucky, I'm happy for you :)

[@Mr-qt4xr]

Heroic guilds crumble all the time because most players in them either leave to raid mythic or just straight up quit the game, so I'm pretty used to finding a new guild every 6 months or so. The worse part is finding another suitable guild, the effort required is like looking for a second job.

[@Nullsparta2]

So this is something that I have some experience with. The guild I was in during EN was really nice and chill and we had just downed heroic xavius right before a holiday break and everything was going nicely. We all take a break for the holiday and when we come back, no one shows up except for guild lead, 3-4dps (1 of which was an officer) and 2 healers this was out of 24 people that usually came to raid. No warning nothing all of the people just disappeared. Even some of the officers, who the guild lead was irl friends with, just vanished.

[@Przymiot]

The lesson: never leave for a break.

[@MikeDePasquale]

Sounds like quite the mystery.

[@r.gletscher5162]

Yeah the expansion got "objectively" shit and the game is dead/dying because you are no longer playing it. Havent heard that like ever in the past 14 years. Yawn.

[@Eqvil]

Wow, I don't even play wow but that sounds like a motivation killer.

[@stephaniephouotrides2435]

Nullsparta2 usually when people take a break, they realize WoW is a grind they don't have time for and, as a result, don't return. I've been in my guild for years, but it's a constant rotation of players, which means we really don't get too far as we're gearing new members. Most of these new members, get bored and never log in again .

[@DarkClown06]

My guild is so dead, Im not even in one.

[@VicerExciser]

I haven't really played much since Mists, but that's because the guild I was with since Vanilla died. We were all very close and probably spent literally thousands of hours playing together over the years. Then one day a couple of them just seemingly out of nowhere was like "we got accepted to another guild cya". This split the guild in half instantly, half wanted to stay and the other wanted to go with the leavers. Our guild that had been around for 8 years just died within a week. I ultimately couldn't decide because I had close friends in both camps, in fact instead of deciding I quit altogether. I did come back and played some Legion by myself, but it just wasn't the same, lasted barely a month and quit again.

[@Hersatz]

I feel ya man. On another game (Wakfu), I was one of the oldest member of one of the top of the ladder UTC-4 time zone guild on the server (french game on a 6 hours gap between utc-4 and their main time zone). The ambiance was so great, we had IRL -for fun- reunions. A guild filled with adults who desired none of the bullshit drama we find on MMOs. But after a two year of playing, people started to get sick of the content -it's pretty much a grind fest type of game-, had other real life project and when you start loosing your long stading member, the whole thing fall appart really fast. The saddest, and I believe it's true for most people, is that it is so God damn hard to find another guild that you feel will be able to fulfil the enticing community void you've lost.

[@benc3481]

Ahh damn I can tell you are pretty torn up from the end there. At least you can say you had a good time with the guild managing to get through the expansion (pretty much) without falling apart where others did.

[@spriggs_fm]

Man, that blows, Mike. Glad you're dealing with it well, seen people in the same situation be really salty and or panic about things like this.

[@chrishart3660]

great choice on the opening music, it's somehow more depressing but also better than the original S&G version.

[@johnnydough6244]

Sorry to hear that Preach.. really was kinda shitty that everyone just decided to up and leave when you were clearly progressing on Argus, literally the last boss, only to wake up one day and watch it all crumble apart within minutes, maybe a few hours. I'd be lying if I said I can feel your pain as I am no where near a mythic raider, or a raider much at all period, but just now after watching this TDP I could sense, hear and see the sadness/frustration/disappointment and all those lovely emotions that throw us into a shitty mood spewing out of you although you kept your cool and composure quite well considering your unfortunate circumstances. You sir are a true sport, a great WoW player and content creator and you didn't deserve that "abandonment" or at least from the sounds of things, it appears that way and im truly sorry cause it was quite clear to me, correct me if I'm wrong, that it has you upset and rightly so. You put 150%effort into all and every guide/vid/tdp/drama time and as a fan of yours, I APPRECIATE every bit of content and wisdom you share with us wow KZbinrs. Be easy my friend and much love here from the U S of A.

[@brutstorm3309]

it is such a shame how fast it can collapse. But currently its the most dangerous time for guild's. The expansion has been announced and time for changes. After new year, the guild where I'm in just fell flat. To the point that i hardly see anyone online anymore

[@Xcitng1988]

you are on Argus, your guild survived ToS and yet people want to leave for better guilds? there is no reward for killing it earlier but a rank on a website shadowed by Method....

[@magnus6726]

It's the exact same if you are queuing in league , csgo dota etc, if you are in a game with 4 people that you perceive as significantly worse than you, regardless of you winning the game, after a while it will become to easy / boring and you would want to move up in the world. Obviously rank is just a "number" but it still represents some kind of skill, and the 3 day guilds in top 100 usually has considarbly better players than a top 500 3 day guild.

[@MrOPD]

As someone who's left guilds for better ranked guilds in the past: It's not just about the # on wowprogress. It's about the people attitude towards the game. I'm a nerd, and I invest huge amounts of time into the game. Be it playing the game itself or actually researching shit before/after raids. I do that because I enjoy it. Other people might not enjoy that, that's fine, too. But I simply feel discouraged when there's people around me who don't treat the game the same way I do. And at that point it's just wasting my time for things that I don't fully enjoy. And when that's the case I'll go for something new - even if that means that I'll have to leave the nicest people in the world, for me it's just not fun to be around people with very different skill level/ attitude towards the game.

[@Xcitng1988]

Yeah but these guys are 300 world for 3 days a week, they clearly are on the same wave length when it comes to research, attitude & the overall success of the guild....

[@magnus6726]

300 world now is not that impressive when the amount of top 500 guilds from the start of legion has reduced so much. 300 now is probably like 500-600 in NH. While they are skilled, there is still a lot of room for improvement, no question.

[@Xcitng1988]

how many 3 day guilds/raid their hours are there in the top 300

[@drakefire6675]

I took a break during last semester at college to focus on my schoolwork. Still not entirely over it, seeing as the guild itself goes all the way back to Wrath, and I only joined in WoD. But I loved it there, and sense the entire guild went two separate ways, I'm still left wondering.

[@Haksdo2]

Hey Preach, I was wondering, in situations like you described, was there no contact between your officers and the officers of the other guild(s)? Back in the day (WotLK/Cata) I was an officer in a, for our server at least, highend raiding guild. We had a very close core group and like every guild, we had people joining and leaving. In most cases when someone wanted to leave, he/she was decent enough to give a heads up, in other cases we heard it from other people in our guild or from other guilds. We had a few occasions where someone, ofcourse someone with a class/role which was hard to replace, would leave at a very unfortunate time during progression or in a weird way without saying anything. If they were planning to join, or had already joined, a guild we had close contact with, there would always be communication between the officers. In good cases it would be a bit of smalltalk "is he/she any good?", "yea, always on time, knows what to do, never complains" etc etc. But in these special cases, either the other guild would contact us and say "hey, you know person X has an application with us, we know you're progressing on boss Y... did you know about that?" or the other way around where we would contact them and say "were you up to speed that he/she left us during progression and we now have an issue filling the roster?". It would be the same if someone applied to our guild. With other wellknown highend guilds on the server this would be normal, watching out for eachother, not poaching people and so on. If we for example found out an application of us would have left their previous guild during progression, without any warning and leaving them with the mess, we would either not accept them in the first place, or if he/she was already on trial, we'd first ask them about the matter (there might be a good reason why they did it, for example unfair big issues between him/her and another player in that guild) and most likely end their trial/kick them if there was no good reason. This didn't mean people couldn't switch between guilds, we had quite a few people going back to their old guild because they missed their friends, or they liked that that was an all Norwegian/Swedish/Dutch/... guild. Or people wanting to try a different environment, trying to go that one small step up and so on.

[@charlesmamon8516]

Sorry that it happened. Looking at the comments, I agree with most, that progress on bosses and fighting against them as a guild is good, but the friendships that you make along the way are some of the best things about playing the game.

[@RyanBM]

to be stopped short on the final boss of the expansion :( brutal

[@kds6992]

still sucks to have it happen when your on endboss and its almost dead and that happens.

[@FishTheJim]

Well you can have some Expansion yearbooks printed up that you can all sign with guild run screen shots and with a IRL photoshoot and you can have a big party with testimonials and matching robes.

[@2ShoesPhoto]

Can you not just go back to the filthy casual guild called Stark Industries? Stark has turned into Raider University!

[@2ShoesPhoto]

I was really trying to be extremely sarcastic here. I'm sure it won't be but a few days and Preacher will be in another raiding guild.

[@coryaustin4197]

Not gonna lie, I was expecting the Sound of Silence somewhere in the video, but I was so weak when it was the Disturbed version. And it was kind of eerie not hearing the usual opening sound. Sorry to hear about the guild though, Preach. I've been there. Keep up the good content and good luck finding the next guild.

[@intergalacticspacewizard1966]

My guild used to have this really cool dude we all got a long with, he was very active and fun to be around, then one day he was suddenly gone, no word, no nothing, one of my guildmates found that he had switched to horde but he didn't seem to be responding to any whispers

[@BunsGlaizin]

I feel ya. I think my guild has rebuilt inbetween every single raid tier in Legion.

[@Вларрад]

I like the description)) woe that troubles Preach.

[@CHAOTlCYT]

I really appreciate you making these videos for us

[@Rewst0n]

I started out with a guild back in vanilla 2005 and raided ZG>MC>AQ20>BWL and then BC came out. On January 2007 we merged with another guild to gain access too SSC/TK and been in the same guild since, we have raided all through TBC>WotLK>Cata>Pandaria>Legion (I did not play WoD) and we always managed to kill all the bosses except Kil'jaeden in Sunwell, we had a 3% whipe the day before WotLK released. And I can name me and two others who have been with the guild since we merged in TBC and here we are 11 years later still playing together. And if the guild ever died, I would probably stop playing WoW right then and there.

[@nickcarrizales5019]

Have you done an ele shaman TDP recently???

[@danforbes4513]

i have found if a player leave a guild to go to a higher guild but they still get on with all the guild players. they 99% of the time leave a alt in guild that they dont tend to play that much so they can still log to chat on there non raid days . or if they have good info on boss fights that will help the old guild out. or even just to keep in on how every one is doing or playing the odd sunday morning or bgs with the guys they got on with the best in the lower old guild

[@ChrisTehKiller169]

Hey preach, just curious if you plan on putting out a tank change analysis once we know a little more, seems like with spell mitigation being mostly rip versatility is going to be worth even more than it already was, im curious to know your thoughts.

[@TheFromaster24]

That's a real shame, I know my guild lost 2 of our members and haven't really been the same since though that's mostly because there's next to nobody on the server who's not apart of a guild currently... I can't imagine life without my guildmates, which may be kind of sad now that I think about it.

[@anba9499]

I have been following you for a few months and i like what you do, and i have the time to join your group if you want an extra person on board. Any team can be rebuilt and i am more than happy to contribute :D

[@naturalyamazing]

happened to my guild when we were working on Mythic guldan. RL and all of the other officers got burned out and quit with a decent portion of the raiders. It was a shame because it was a fantastic guild which I have not been able to replace (in togetherness, obviously could find similar performers). Ive since quit legion - antorus is boring. But i know where you are coming from!

[@angeliquelo2643]

TBH, I actually thought that the title was some TDP drama or the like, I never thought that it was the actual situation at Not Like This HQ. It's sad to see the fall of such a team, but I'm sure that Mike'll bounce back better than ever in a new guild for the new Xpac. Keep up the great work PG, regardless of your guild situation I

[@boagriask5472]

When you said at 11:59 i thought please just not a glue!!!

[@jadayaindigo7696]

Preach tells the jucyest story he has in a long time while doing the shortest dungeon possible.

[@keorkkek9205]

Does anybody know what happened with hayven? There was the petition and everything then it all just faded out

[@rianabi12]

Hayven died 9 or 10 months ago or so, he had cancer.

[@peterparkerspiderman7875]

Keork Kek he died, he was sick! His KZbin is still up! Follow the man!

[@James_Johnson79]

He doesn’t have a character or tribute in game yet if that’s what you’re wondering.

[@raliloth4155]

James Johnson tbh he should

[@James_Johnson79]

Completely agreed, although given the content that he did part of me thinks the best tribute would be something that can only be found in data-mining.

[@trulsrohk470]

First time I've ever been cutting edge and had been for the whole expansion. Then had the same thing happen to our guild half way through Antorus :( Part of a more progressed guild now as a casual member because: 1 I was definitely feeling that burnout as well and I'm really enjoying taking the step back atm and 2 they have a full mythic team currently. Hoping I'm able to join then once it's on farm to finish the cutting edge run and possibly having regained that high end raiding spark

[@KjKase]

I joined a guild in the beginning of Legion and it was fun for a while, we were progressing in raiding, it was difficult but we were slowly making progress, I may not have been the most meta class/spec but I was doing well for an unholy DK. Then I got busy with work for a week and missed a couple raids and fell behind in gear level and suddenly I was apparently no longer a part of the core clique. The guys I used to do mythic+ dungeons with stopped inviting me and I kinda just got the cold shoulder.. I would even try to start my own group and ask people in the guild if they wanted to join, and the guys who I used to do dungeons with would see that and go and make their own group without me even though they knew I was forming a group, so they'd form their own group and nobody would join mine so I'd have to pug it.. This kept happening and I was pretty annoyed that all it took was to fall behind a little bit and they just completely ditched me and felt like I was leeching off them or some shit... That experience really soured my whole enthusiasm for guilds.

[@Narusasu98]

Omg that looks horrible :/ I feel you mate

[@Supermantmr2201]

Hi Preach Thalyon here. I am really sad to hear how it ended for you guys I talked to Jordan about it and it's all just a mess I hope everyone from the guild will find something new and good for them and that you will also go on to new things. I know everything will work out best regards JJ's palyfriend :D

[@Versudan]

Preach's own drama time story submission! :D

[@TheGoldblaze]

Coming finally to Alliance side now Mike? :) We have cookiez. And Kul'Tiras.

[@rogoth01themasterwizard11]

and void elves

[@matthewjohn3967]

Kul'Tiras can't compare to Zandalar

[@TheGoldblaze]

Preach actually said that he thinks Alliance stuff is more attractive, hence why I said what I said.

[@TheSouthParkStoner]

what is he using to track his partys interrupts? i can't find it anywhere lol

[@kewk5860]

What font is that on your Unitframes?

[@CoachNezzy]

I've been on both ends of leaving and seeing guilds fall apart. I remember near the end of MoP I made the choice to leave my long term guild, who were some of my closest friends, for a more serious and progressive guild. Did I feel bad? Yes and it has been one of the best choice I've made during WoW. I've also seen good players just disappear afyer a bad raid night. So yeah communicate and don't be a douche when you leave a guild (unless it's justifiable).

[@Johndoe-gd4tb]

NoLimitsNick I did this and couldn't have regretted it more. Glad it worked out for you. I really wanted to join a mythic raiding guild, so I faction/server switched for it, (my current was super casual Normal guild on shitty server), and I knew I fucked up day 1. They were way too serious , would rage over a single mistake....just no fun at all. And I understand being serious if you want to seriously progress but these dudes were way out of line with the anger and pretentiousness , acting like a top 10 guild. I made the mistake of thinking the few ppl I did know it in were a representation of the guild as a whole.....not the case

[@Karnivool565]

Generally Mythic teams are welcoming (this coming from Oce servers though) people generally don't rage unless you continuously mess something up at which point they shouldn't even need to rage. Might just be American or EU but if someone performs poorly they will be told and then subbed out. If a guild treats you that way it isn't a guild worth being in.

[@fealubryne]

I ended up in a similar situation, joined a group of folks I've known for years and have raided with longer. For whatever reason though, the guild leader decided to, without saying anything, abandon everything and go raid with another guild, screwing the rest of us over. So I quit most of this expansion and just recently came back to prep for BFA. So now I need to catch up and figure out a decent guild to join, the latter of which is my absolute least favorite part of the game.

[@trustytea1417]

Preach I’m havin trouble picking a main, any tips to try sticking to a character? I enjoy playing most classes, I just can’t stick to one

[@squelch13]

I was part of a small guild (20 members) that felt like family and did meet IRL quite regularly.. Our guild leader fell ill during Lich King and had to stop playing, which led to the death of the guild really quickly.. Since then, I've not had the balls to join another guild and hate pugging as I feel I'm an extremely shit player, so have been left to just levelling up alts.. I think once BfA comes out I might take the plunge and find a casual ish guild to start learn dungeons again

[@Julian-cn1ey]

I've ghosted on guilds twice. My first time I was building up to my skill level as a mythic raider, and I was a pillar in a guild's community as I was dramatically improving past the level of skill the guild held. Eventually I wasnt enjoying my time and wanted to be surrounded by likeminded people. I ghosted because a clean break felt like it would have been better. I didn't want to create drama or split the guild or anything, I just wanted to leave, and being a central member, that's hard. I was tight with the GM and the entire officer core, and they were talking to me about becoming one myself. I feel bad for leaving like I did, and in retrospect I really miss a lot of those guys, they might not have been the best, but they were fun to play with. Immediately following the other guild, I joined a far better guild (US 304 at the time) and raided on and off with them. I don't know if it was a clique thing, but I'd never be given a spot in raid if there were more than 20. This was while I was playing major utility roles and dying far less than the other dps. Maybe I was a bitch, maybe I was unliked, but I was not having a good time, had no real friends in the guild, and I didnt feel I had to justify leaving. Nobody would run dungeons, BGs, or anything with me and I felt like I was genuinely playing alone with how dead coms and guild chat were. I left and never looked back.

[@pmkaboo2446]

sometimes ghosting is the right thing. for example last time i gave a two months notice and asked to be demoted to a backup, i still got called to every single raid.

[@jffste6149]

two times over the last 5 years of playing have i found a "community" within wow. it was awesome. but, for the most part, i've been solo. i think it would be great to find a group. #puglife

[@emilgebl8644]

Lol, like how I got this recommended after your latest video.

[@joedooley7878]

had this situation as of Friday night.... kicked from a guild who I was raiding with for no reason. No message, no nothing, just boom, kicked whilst I was offline

[@bladewolf_kagekiyo]

Hey Preach you might remember me Called by the name "Medrich" The Tauren Elemental Shaman where I was with you in stark industries over Mist of Pandaria, where i had to leave due to not being able to make the raid times, I hope all is well considering, its sad your guild is no more as i had many memories where i was there. I can perfectly understand during legion there was alot of strain and alot of grind because the way legion was, in a way it worked too well. Currently in memory we deiced that it was such a strain we all took a break from the guild, while most rested a few went to other guilds Four months Later we actually decided to come back together reforming the guild, it was a long road but eventually we pulled through taking advantage of the Antorus more forgiving raid in Heroric Content (although the last 4 bosses can be less forgiven if you make a mistake) but we became stronger than ever and now going fairly well being a social casual raiding guild. Long story short sometimes its best to take a break for a while to reflect and do other things before coming back together and start a fresh bringing new energy to the guild and it works. All i can say is Preach all the best i hope you do well still considering :3

[@murthagdk3823]

Know the feeling mate. Mine is dead too, we didnt even managed to do one boss on myth. I'm know rerolling on silvermoon and with the Allied Races leveling rush there are more possibility to join another guild. My kid dream would be joiming Inner Sanctum, i still have a dvd of they doing MC back in vanilla that was included in a game magazine focused on pc.

[@Giliver]

Could you do an updated guide on how to find guilds again please? Specifically I'm looking to find a light mythic raiding guild, but not want to worry about the guild dying from stress, raid times etc. I'm currently in a heroic only guild, on a server with less than 900 horde, so I'm itching like crazy to change realms. (Azjol nerub horde US)

[@ElMoggie]

Pretty sure the process is the same

[@Johndoe-gd4tb]

It's pretty generic process, but preach is all about going the extra mile. Record clips of yourself, make a badass "resume", send multiple applications out, be outgoing and let them know exactly what you can and want to do, and most important, be confident in your abilities . That's of course if you wanna get into a really good guild.....if not , browse reddit, discord, forums etc

[@darkaero]

I mean, you can always join a guild that's not on your server if they're in your cross realm. But if it's still super dead and you don't have anything tying you to the server I'd just transfer to a Med-high pop realm, it'd be so easy to join even a casual mythic guild on your realm forums or even the guild finder or general/trade chat in game. If you have a lot of ties to your current realm you could always just transfer one character that you want to use as your main raiding class or even boost a new character on a high pop realm.

[@Screamingtilltheend]

Oh shit, I've actually been looking at that easysmx controller for a while now. Heard nothing but fantastic things about it

[@IvoryTower777]

I remember the guild I was in at the end of Pandaria, I joined because my roomate was in the guild and they really helped me as a new raider really prep for Warlords.. Highmaul opens we struggle to get normals down then we get the ahead of the curve achievements on heroic and began dropping mythic bosses but didnt clear but for us it was an accomplishment .. then it just seemed out of the blue I log in and the guild leader was all upset because half the poeple in the guild made their own guild and it was a fracturing kind of moment to best describe it hehe.. I just wish I could find a guild that can take me back to that Glory... Maybe in BfA

[@zakhallman9713]

I'm sending you a virtual hug buddy!

[@danielmartin2213]

Gonna see Mike buying an Argus kill off his old boy Sco and the gang now xD Serious note, that does suck. My guild fell apart before nighthold even released and I've had a rough time trying to find a new guild. I've trialed with a few but never really seem to click with them like I did with my old. So it's just been the pug life the entire expansion now.

[@kristinsearight3813]

My guild disbanded without a word about a week ago. GM went afk without a word for 2 months. Logged in one day last week and it was just gone. I was an officer so was expecting a hey I’m disbanding, or do you want the guild kind of thing but he never said a word. Just disbanded. One of the other officers got ahold of him and he was like oh I was sick of being GM 😡 it’s like you’ve been mostly afk for months myself and the other officer had been mostly running it. He used to bail and raid with other guilds and we ended up with no one showing because the GM couldn’t even be bothered to show. Sucks because I paid for a faction change and server hangs on 3 chars he asked me to bring over. Cost me $60 a pop. Hopefully I’ll find something better. Only downing 3 bosses on normal because no one would show up or ppl would log when they saw he was raiding with another guild was frustrating too.

[@WillisE]

My friend stayed up all night stressed out because your guild broke up!

[@its_deer]

That's dedication.

[@Icipher353]

Wow raiding guilds (especially mythic) seem to be inherently unstable. Burn out is a real thing for raiders, and as the player base ages, RL life commitments get in the way for more and more players, making it harder to maintain teams. It's pretty obvious to anyone in the raiding scene that the community of serious raiders is slowly but surely dwindling as people age out of the game and aren't replaced by younger players. The number of guilds doing mythic is dropping steadily, and the number of guilds trying to recruit to stay alive is significant. Ironically, the casual, social guilds seem to be much more stable, happy places, because the tensions of progression and competition aren't present.

[@kevinportilla9320]

"My guild is dead" ... 0:02 into the video and i already feel identified :c

[@caboose8402]

Sorry to be a noob, but what does TDP stand for?

[@PrescottC]

Brian Gardner the daily preach

[@caboose8402]

Ah, yes. Thank you.

[@Silirion]

The dandy preach

[@Kub1na32]

Two Dirty Pirates

[@sphong0610]

Obviously it means : Two Drunk Priests

[@nenyia6707]

such a shame when something like that happens, our raiding team disbanded, in tov, cause someone mentioned the mythic word, and egos spiralled, and to say it turned nasty very quickly, something id rather not go through again, chin up preach something good will turn up im sure

[@diggoryx]

Our guild found out about this the other day, presumably through following the stream. Since then our call when we have a messy kill or a wipe is "JOIN US PREACH!!".

[@Weffi76]

I joined my guild back in vanilla, left in tbc to do more hardcore raiding, and came back in wrath again, and been there ever since, though we aint like hardcore in anyways, still working Hc argus raid.

[@dawfydd]

i'd like to find a chill guild that just did heroic, but its pretty hard to just luck into them, and most of them turn into what happened with preach if the players are good enough lol

[@MisterHappyPotato1]

Really hope my guild continues to live in BfA; joined it in Antorus, but already loving them :D

[@bubosbamba4910]

There is just nothing to do for the next 8 months. Guilds are going to die left and right. Mine is already dead and I am part of it. Just stopped playing. One day I logged in and just had the feeling of: Nah fuck it, and just never started it up again

[@Cosmicles]

Every expansion I join a new guild

[@splinte111]

either that or i create a new guild.

[@Direwoof]

It's rare that im even in a guild for more than a month. I'm kind of a dick and I don't play well with others. DK main obviously.

[@RunehearthCL]

I leave when I got mad with them, no exceptions

[@Direwoof]

Then don't play on Horde Hyjal US ffs. Most antisocial bunk of jerks ive ever met. Trade chat is empty and once got kicked from a guild for calling them casual scrubs as a joke.

[@Mijochda]

Guild chat stays empty when everyone does that. I wonder how much you contribute to guild chat Oak?

[@mysticode]

Best of luck in a new guild!

[@Basherslice]

What’s wrong with mythic Argus

[@cEighteen]

My guild died last weekend, we've been together since about mid-Tomb. We're pretty low on membership so we almost never got to raid Mythic, I think in Tomb we only got about 3-4 hours in Mythic total & we only killed Goroth (this was after like a month of 1 shotting H KJ) In Antorus, again, we only got 3-4 hours in Mythic, we killed Garothi pretty easily. Buuuuut membership kept dwindling, we were on a heroic farm run, the night before we killed up to Aggramar. This night, after about a hour & a half of attempts, the group dwindling lower & lower, gquits, & sorrow, our guild called a quits. Well Nightfallen are out now so it really didn't matter whether we would have continued or not it was an Alliance guild & you can't be an Alliance Nightfallen now can you?

[@kds6992]

ive been in around 10 different guilds this expansion and my current one is aslmost dead aswell again. Theyre nice bunch of people but they wherent the best and was huge gaps between the top and the rest, like top dps (usally me as ww or the frost dk) doing 5-600k more dps the lower group. They got hc argus down only on 16th january. After the kill people started leaving not showing up anymore. And now we cant get enough people anymore for raids only got 1 tank 2healers and 4dps left. In tomb they had issues with hc kiljeaden and never really got him on farm, and in antorus they have struggeled alot on heroic coven and havent been able to rekill it still. and have missed most of raid days since hc argus.

[@cas6382]

Sucks to hear about your guild man. I'm pretty casual like my main plan for raiding is to get my AOTC and then dabble in some mythic raid content but from what I've heard there have been a lot of issues with guild attrition this xpac. From a casual perspective it's been great there's been so much to do and I always look forward to getting on but I can see the detriment that can be for others and it makes me a little sad. I wish you and the former Not Like This team the best though and I hope you manage to find a new guild!

[@LerRhann]

Hardest part of tomb was the fucking traps. We voted to kick 2 of our guildies because they NEVER MISSED THE TRAPS... EVAR! We didn't down heroic until this guys were gone either and it turned out one of them was screwing the GM's GF. Yes you read that right.

[@Livingvapour]

This happened to me when they made heroic into mythic and forced my amazing 10 man into 20 man and we had to just pick up 12 randoms to fill to continue and we broke apart D:

[@Riptidesnail00001]

Hey Dudes, just wanted to say that previous to this video coming out, I purchased the controller. It has great connectivity and it's form seems to be slightly better than the Xbox form. 10/10.

[@broski981]

How do you guys kill KJ and then make it to the final boss of the next tier and then fall apart? Maybe my guild will die soon, I hope not, we've been having a lot of trouble on farm lately :/

[@xyxxyyxx]

Will because it's the end of an expansion

[@tomxd8000]

What happened to your ui?

[@Moleanimationchannel]

My guild died back at the end of MoP with the changes to 10/25m raiding. I've been pretty much 'guildless' since then even though I've joined a few casually. But each and everyone had no interest in me personally so I said fuck it. I miss the old community for sure. It fucking sucks playing this game alone.

[@aarontomlinson687]

That sucks man, hope things pick up for you.

[@DecayedPony]

Well, time to hype for dem Diamond Dogs!

[@TheMisleduser]

I wish I had time to play. had to quit right after nightmare because I started working 6 12s and If I can't progress at a certain level I just don't want to spend time milling about.

[@PJ-xc7qn]

Guilds dying has pretty much been my whole legion experience lol, we're progressing fine and hit 1 wall and half the roster is done... first time mythic illy g, then pre nerf spell blade to join a guild that died a month later on auger prog, then the next guild died at mistress, so far antorus isnt to bad, at coven and things are still pretty positive but im waiting for the aggramar tilt to kick in and we'll see where things go lol

[@vhan2902]

Mine too. Pick a server and start a new "prech viewers" guild. I'll be there in a heartbeat.

[@Kozilak]

I’m considering leaving my guild, my burning hatred for t21 aff lock and my RL reluctance to let me play my my equally geared mage combined with the fact that we almost assuredly won’t make CE

[@bracksza]

Moral of the story is that loyalty in WoW means jack shit to most people.

[@Johndoe-gd4tb]

Matt Brackenbury I hate this. The excuse is "it's just a video game". While that's true, the time spent with people, the hard work, the commitment, is VERY real . Just because it revolves around a digital world doesn't mean you can just abandon it and fuck over other people without being an asshole

[@tardwrangler]

Feels like the whole loyalty thing just has gotten worse over time

[@TheAssura]

Hard decisions have to be made , it has nothing to do with loyalty. People should be doing whatever they want so they can achieve their goals in the game. Yes it feels wrong but people have to remember that everyone that plays pays for the game and if you aren't having a feeling of accomplishment its better to move on and do what makes you happy.

[@tardwrangler]

Yeah but at least say bye or something maybe

[@TheGoldblaze]

In my honest opinion ditching your friends of 5+ years so you could join a top 50 guild for literally one or two tiers and crushing the guild in the process is a dick thing to do.

[@leonidasg2257]

No guild raids forever my son...

[@MrRanderas]

its really unfortunate to hear mainly because i planned to apply to your guild especially because of the fact that it had been so stable and long running

[@jamespendergrass8164]

Hey preach I love your drama time vids and I would really like to have that controller because I have gotten into certain games that work way better with a controller, like games on steam, because I sometimes get bored waiting for new expansions, and I kill my time with games like rocket league, and I’m going to be playing the crew 2 when it releases soon, so keep it up with these good vids man, peace from Alaska.✌️

[@matthewisadon]

Any guilds on wild hammer EU that is willing to teach someone to raid? also I hope I get the controller.

[@antoniokontos5677]

My first guild lasted 2005-2015 My second is still active but I left in 2017 My 3rd guild disbanded in a few months after I joined My 4th guild has been around since 2015 and I’m still there

[@nojabhere]

Feels bad man happened to a guild I was in for over 7 years kinda ruined it for me

[@Big-T-]

Don't get why people don't just connect their console controller to the pc via an app.

[@johnnywatkins]

Make A series about the process you go trough to find another group, sorry to hear about yr guild tho feel bad man