NO MORE POCKET OF THE SHOULDER

NO MORE POCKET OF THE SHOULDER.
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[@ModernTacticalShooting]

So we are going to ignore fact it takes muscle tension to roll shoulder forward and hold in place?

[@peady64]

My thoughts exactly.

[@GuacIsExtra99]

There is muscle use but I think the reason this is so effective is bc it relies on using stable muscles that are more proximal on the body VS using your distal limbs which fatigue quicker

[@ModernTacticalShooting]

But notice when he shoots fast his upper body is indeed pushed back, That should not happen, especially suppressed.

[@GuacIsExtra99]

@@ModernTacticalShooting true yea I do see that. Do you think muscle tension with with his lower extremities would solve this specifically?

[@c.r.chandler5905]

I was thinking the same exact thing.

[@JackFlak79]

Every so often salesmen must reinvent the wheel to remain viable.

[@GunTuber992]

Couldn't have said it any better.

[@jordanfrancisco27]

I started watching the Magpul videos way back. It has come full circle including the risers for sights.

[@bfdadventure]

I was about to go on a rant about mincing minutiae, and here your genius ass pops off with way fewer words and energy I had mustered. Spot on assessment.

[@submoa9278]

Absolutely spot on, in his industry it’s best for his business to stand out, it’s simple business, come up with something and then sell it.

[@seanoneil277]

@@submoa9278 There was a time in America, within my lifetime, where such excuses for nonsense sales puffery were ridiculed, mocked, etc. and not tolerated when discovered in a local merchant. I'm pretty sure that time is about to return. so enjoy your Everyone A Lying Salesman era while it lasts.

[@perpetualconfusion5885]

I think the shoulder pocket was used for rifles with more recoil like 30-06. Putting like a garand or something on my collar bone just seems like a bad time

[@mjolnirswrath23]

Most certainly is learn that around 6 years old...

[@kennypayton8833]

Or one of the old Belgium made Browning 12g with high brass at six yrs old.

[@andrewmagee1666]

My AR I built is in the 458 flavor, it jumps no matter what and no sir am I putting that on my collar bone. I can see 223, it has no recoil to speak of, I'm sure that'll be fine to try with that one

[@SenseiLlama]

It's definitely an old school vs. new school. You didn't see the chicken wing thing anymore either because the prevalence of pistol grips.

[@murkyturkey5238]

@@andrewmagee1666yeah I wouldn’t do that with the 458 either 😂

[@aaronthompson192]

Started doing this overseas because my armor was too wide to get a consistent shoulder pocket. Carried it over into non armor shooting. Glad I'm not crazy.

[@Whitesp44]

That's a great point. I watch alot of great videos but when employed, many of us are wearing duty belts that push your torso up when prone and we are wearing boday armor AND plate carriers. Still appreciate all these instructional videos tho! Good comment sir. Stay safe.

[@dvig3261]

Who told you, you're not crazy???

[@joeyduese6638]

your plates were too big then. bad habits

[@aaronthompson192]

@@joeyduese6638 yes they were, but if a bad habit produces better results it isn't a bad habit. Shoot against me and compare notes.

[@T-sm1bs]

Its crazy you say that because i remember thinking this exact thing when i was trying to shoot in full kit i just never implemented it

[@ckbhack]

.308 has entered the conversation.

[@KH-rt3ef]

12 ga. is on a kill streak

[@fmj8329]

Everybody has a different mentality when it comes to this,my opinion use what works for you

[@peady64]

Good point.

[@static49ers8]

what happens if what works "for you" ends up being a defenciency or just not efficient at all?

[@fmj8329]

@static49ers8 if it WORKS for you then it just works don't you think?

[@possumpopper89]

There is no shoulder pocket when your elbow is down like the instructor demonstrated. The shoulder pocket is only there with the elbow out away from the body like the old Highpower rifle competitors used to do before the low recoil AR became the standard. The shoulder pocket is very easy to locate and define when the elbow is properly extended. The end of the clavicle and the deltoid muscle create the pocket. It is extremely useful when shooting heavy recoil rifles, but not needed for little cartridges like the 5.56. The old submachine gun hold using the inner pectoral hold is very useful for low recoil and center line shooting techniques. The shoulder roll isn’t really needed if shooting from the center line. Reverting to the elbow down shoulder hold can help with rounding corners inside buildings while room clearing. At times I place the buttstock over the top of my shoulder to shorten the length of the rifle while entering doorways.

[@seanoneil277]

Yessir. Agree. Though I'd say the shoulder pinch (I don't go as far as the roll) can help for lateral transitions in multi-shot strings. That's where most weak points are revealed -- multi shot strings across the field of view, having to make transitions as well as breaking many shots.

[@charlesw3120]

Perfectly said. A few ideas come to mind: A time and place for everything. There's probably a reason it became "the way" to do it. What's old is new again.

[@KH-rt3ef]

Alternate video title suggestion: NO MORE POCKET OF THE SHOULDER UNLESS SOMETIMES STILL

[@brentharrington9235]

“The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things.” ― Miyamoto Musashi

[@SamaelVR]

Well that makes sense. As much as people don't want to hear it, there's a scientific logical approach to solving almost any problem, and once you make it scientific and really break it down, it obviously becomes hyper refined.

[@milesrost6674]

"Never Stray From The Way"

[@seanoneil277]

@@SamaelVR And despite what you said being vaguely true in some sense (nice word salad you offered) -- plenty will say they used "science" but they don't know science from shinola.

[@retroactive1]

⁠@@seanoneil277how was that in any way shape or form… word salad. that was a very basic explanation he gave.

[@seanoneil277]

@@retroactive1 At your level it may be "impressive" or whatever, but that speaks to the paucity of wisdom and experience residing in you. And why do you feel compelled to defend someone other than yourself anyway? How have YOU been hurt here, little boy?

[@LoneWarrior.]

Use these muscles not these muscles to avoid muscle tension fatigue. Also, I'd rather get aggressive with my shoulder/chest than my clavicle. Adrenaline and pucker factor are going to keep you from gingerly laying and rolling your rifle and shoulder. The stuff people come up with to take your money. I appreciate advertising like this to save money knowing where bot to go. And cheerleader in the back talking about how EVERYONE using the muscles the instructor chooses over his muscle choice has been lucky all this time. Lots of luck winning them World Wars and stuff. One more thing while I'm at it. This is the rifle equivalent to the ridiculous turtling people started doing, and some idiots still do, with their pistol stance.

[@achillesheeltactical]

😂😂😂 your funny. Here’s a cookie for your thoughts. 🍪 My “cheerleader” and I only do this for a living so what do we know.

[@J童]

Long range precision shooters have been recommending a "collarbone" shouldering technique for a while now. Really helpful for shooting with armor too.

[@FT4Freedom]

Lol😂😂

[@achillesheeltactical]

AGREED.

[@brandonbrown3092]

Prone

[@TheHuckeberrie]

until the high caliber rifle starts smacking the collarbone. shit hurts

[@whiskeyandammo]

I just retired after 22+ years in Law Enforcement. During a majority of that time I was a patrol rifle instructor, pistol/ shotgun instructor. Also 9 years on SWAT. Its nice to see young Officers getting deep into instruction and training. I've never used this technique myself but I will be trying it out in the next couple days. It's never to late to learn a better way to do something. Maybe it'll work, maybe not. But its always worth trying. Nice video!

[@tocolee6127]

🤣 I figured.

[@dawildebeastbc]

Former paratrooper here and I completely agree. I just wonder if this technique still works when wearing plates

[@erabo5]

As a fellow relatively short guy at 5’6” thank you SO much for making this video - not only did it teach years of “stock it in the pocket” mentality when it came to mounting the rifle, but I cannot tell you how nice it is to see on a guy my size what the appropriate setting and hand grip are for someone with my frame and height 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@LockStockNBarrel]

What about if you got a long ass neck

[@codereddev]

Regardless of whether or not this is a viable technique for most shooters, this is a fascinating concept.

[@adamthomas7250]

Rolling your shoulder forward is causing a lot of muscle tension in your shoulder, not to mention terrible body mechanics in the shoulder. Your shoulder and upper back shouldn’t be doing any work. Terrible advice. Solution looking for a problem. I’m laughing knowing all these people will be saying, “I have no idea why my neck is killing me”.

[@mobilegamersunite]

Ahh the old chest sholder 😂

[@michaellowery928]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Buletspunge555]

I've been taught a variation of push-pull that was taught to my instructor through sig academy. Very often when shooting rifles, I have a much easier time than others. You've fairly accurately described how I approach my rifle. When my classmates ask me questions and when I diagnose the targets of others, I've always said that they must be implementing way too much muscle compared to how I'm doing it.. They seem to steer the gun off course actively by how they tense and flex. Excellent explanation and diagnosis ;) ❤

[@seanoneil277]

Every time I've tried push-pull I get haywire multi-shot accuracy but decent one-shot accuracy. It's way too much muscle work for what's needed. I tried it on a .22LR upper, and a normal .223 Wylde upper. Same result, more tension/work than is needed. I can't think of a single athletic movement that uses that kind of constant dynamic tension as a strategy. Every one I know says, build it first with your skeleton and second with muscles. Never, ever first with muscles.

[@Buletspunge555]

@seanoneil277 yup that's what I see the most. It's inconsistent pressures being applied, and/or too much tension being applied. I'm more of a technique/finesse guy and less of a brute force guy. Most people that experience inconsistent hits on target are exceptionally fit and or craftsman with over developed grip and strength based on what they do for a living. So it's too much muscle from my perspective. Push-pull enough, but not excessively. If it makes you feel any better, I cannot seem to figure it out on a 12ga. I'm not putting enough muscle into it lol. I lose my balance on the 3rd shot every time. Super frustrating 😤

[@seanoneil277]

@@Buletspunge555 Push-pull seems like a great idea for a situation where you have a folded stock rifle, and you don't have time to unfold the stock. The whole point of the stock is to avoid having to tension the rifle with push-pull! The dynamic push-pull tension is necessary in some variant for handgun shooting. Clamping/wedging the pistol between the two hands. Because you don't have a stock to stabilize it against your body!

[@TheBillyBlack]

So how does this work with 12ga??

[@FT4Freedom]

With an AR 556, just hold it how it works for you. It barely moves. Other platforms move. Eye alignment is the fundamental quality of the shot. So, practice eye alignment from different holds. The whole point of AR 556 is its light and agile in the hands of the shooter. It's made to move around. I like shooting from the chest, but shoulder works. Practice hip shooting to. And swapping. Shoot it every way, bros.

[@juangilbertocruz]

In a two way shooting alley anything goes... Whole object is to make yourself a small target as possible, not advertise yourself.... USMC combat vet..

[@scout3058]

Sincere question: How does this work if you have an offset red dot that requires the buttstock to be canted into the face, to utilize?

[@bluepunk182]

Grow an additional eye.

[@automaticthecannibal]

I’m sorry but I’ve always kept the rifle in the pocket of my shoulder and I lean into it with a fighting stance and my body doesn’t move when I fire it so why would I change that? 👀

[@smokingcrab2290]

Like a guitar players picking style. Learn to explore the best ways for you to do something without always adhering blindly to mainstream techniques and doctrines. Remember to actually pay attention to what you're doing and learn the gun AND your body.

[@user-nx1fp6fv6r]

First guy says to roll shoulder into the gun, second guy says dont roll your shoulder into the gun and explains why lol. This video is a joke. -sincerely, a Marine who knows better.

[@Crangaso]

This "Instructor" is an Achilles Heel

[@Aka_Chev]

Hope no one paid for this

[@kmk1428]

I completely agree with the whole “everything in line” deal - and yes it sure helps if you can keep your recoil to only straight up and down sight movement - but I’m not convinced about the whole “roll your shoulder” explanation. I practice ready- ups from a low ready and or SUL position and I try to minimize movement so the gun comes straight up to the cheek weld and I really don’t have to think about my shoulder cos it’s already there ! Ima look into this one and do some trials 👍

[@sudilos1172]

It feels like he is exaggerating the movement to demonstrate

[@chrismichellijr9217]

“Don’t tense your muscles to control the rifle.” * uses all his shoulder muscles to roll his shoulder up squeeze the stock with his shoulder * I mean, I’m still gonna try it. Just because it sounds stupid the first time I ever hear it doesn’t mean it isn’t better than what I’m doing. But I never use my shoulder that way, so it seems like that would fatigue me quickly. If the answer to that is training and building endurance in that area… then will that not work for arms, too…? I’m just genuinely not understanding it. But like I said, I WILL try both.

[@terryduffield5860]

In late 80s in Force Recon we were mirroring full sling assist that Brit SAS and SBS used shooting MP5s on full auto 2 two round bursts to 10 inch kill zone and one to head in full failure drill only using sling adjusted properly in tension. Just push rifle straight out shoot over front sight post to 25 yards…… Then we stopped being silly dumbfucks went back to proper shoulder weld, and we’re just as fast more accurate and could power thru the actual close quarters shit from grappling to blowing physical through obstacles and not die To all this circular reinvent nothing bullshit I say whatever you’re sooo cool this week…. Next

[@formdoggie5]

Everyone talking crap needs to put on 50lbs of plates and a flak underlayment with a camelback and a 3 day pack over it and then try to hit "the shoulder pocket," that no longer exists (plate carriers dont count unless thats what you're always using [which, given the rise of drone frags, I'd recommend not getting comfortable with]). Its easy to talk crap out of context -- but in context, you'll find this starts making a lot more sense, real fast.

[@fie.56]

Made me get out of bed at 11pm. Shoulder my rifle about 2 times to realize i dont have the problem he is selling the solution to. Different techniques for different people and situations though. I kinda fall into a flow of motion while staying target focused.

[@robinrichards2599]

SHOW US THE DAMN RESULTS LMAO!

[@sudilos1172]

Armchair warriors abound. Thing is, I think when you are looking at new technique. Try it out, make it work for you. Don’t give up on it. Think about the time and place it’s been specially developed for. He probably has allot of time and method put into it as well as upper shoulder/neck work to support it. Like reading/watching swordsmanship. Your attempt will not be like his attempt. You might even hurt yourself. The muscles involved will quickly be clear.

[@ExtremelyAverageMan]

I understand you don't want to focus on transferring the energy of the buttstock backwards and hard into your shoulder and death grip it, but does this apply to other calibers? I don't really shoot 5.56. Mostly 7.62x39, but also .308, 30-06 and 8mm Mauser. My man breasts hurt just thinking of my Kar98 ramming into my side boob/clavicle

[@wokndedfan413]

I did some shooting with my rifles and PCCs using elbows in, and c clamping. Stock in shoulder pocket though. My groups are much much better, both 25 & 50 yards. Wish my knees and ankles were 25 years younger though.

[@achillesheeltactical]

Great to hear! Yeah I bet man!

[@wokndedfan413]

Just did the same technique with my new Holosun LS117 green laser. It was like point shooting out at 25 yards , and all rounds stayed in an 8” Shoot N C Target.

[@michaelcohen537]

So now you’re tensing up more muscles to bring your shoulder up. It seems like more physical movement to try and hold.

[@rogerw.3935]

Shit! I've been shooting tactically through the PD and competitive shooting for 25 years. This is the most amount of sense I have heard. Love these guys. Bringing new techniques that make the most amount of sense. Everyone else is reinventing the wheel. Kudos AHT, love to come take some courses.

[@charlesreeves3426]

They are excellent at breaking down techniques to a finite level, but its not new. Its just new to you. Nothing is totally new under the sun. When someone spends a lot of time shooting and in constant critical thought about how to get better and more efficient results, the truth is a path that all students will find. The truth of the matter is most people just listen to regurgitated information handed down and refuse to do their own thinking.

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

PD and Competition are where the old school gate keepers are 😂. I've been roasted for my 3" OCL LPVO but they all stop talking when I'm taking first place by big ass gap.

[@TCraig00]

​​@@boygonewhoopdataZZwhat's OCL? I only know of Otter creek labs. Is there an optic brand OCL?

[@jackaubrey8614]

So, when you're prone, looking round a corner you just have to push forward exposing even more of your body to incoming return fire? Right......

[@sudilos1172]

These guys bring new technique’s. Other guys re-invent the wheel.. me : What?

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

I feel like we are over thinking this whole thing. Every situation with different gear will dictate what the best way to hold your rifle is. Flat range is all fine and dandy but how often in combat are you standing square with you target on flat ground lighting of strings of fire??? Not often! Hold the freaking gun however you have to to get hits that’s all that matters. Are there technical ways to be more efficient? Yes but we getting lost in the weeds now a days.

[@apersonontheinternet8006]

Wow, just when I thought the "tacticool" guys reached peak stupidity.

[@Chuy713x]

Plate carriers make this a bit difficult tho.

[@paraAA82]

True. you need to adjust accordingly..

[@austinrodriguez1298]

I was just thinking about how to adjust to this. Could you use the edge of the plate itself if you have large enough sized plates? It is an unyielding structure that won’t tire out. Based on where the stock placement is in the video it’s be right on the edge of the plate for me. I run size large plates

[@aaronthompson192]

Buttstock on top of plate. It is then sandwiched between your cheek and shoulder. I had to do this for a year because my plate carrier was too big and would push the stock out of my shoulder pocket. As long as you have a cheek weld it is very stable.

[@jimmiebarber3720]

Don't use this with big bore and with kids as it breaks the collar bone on occasion

[@corcorandm]

You vs The guy she tells you not to worry about

[@georgekromidas5097]

Tried this technique and it was significantly worse. I think most people would probably think the same if they actually try and compare.

[@achillesheeltactical]

Come to a class instead of determining a technique explained in a 5 minute video is shit or not. Clearly you’re poorly executing it & not understanding what the goal of it is.

[@georgekromidas5097]

@@achillesheeltactical If people can end up doing a a technique this wrong from an easy to understand video, then you shouldn’t have uploaded the video. Not an excuse. I never said it was shit, I said it was significantly worse and that while some may find this better, I think most would find it worse. It is fine to go against the common technique that’s being taught, but the burden of proof is on you to substantiate that which you haven’t done in this video. I’m not going to pay for your class if I’m not even sure if what’s being taught is any benefit for me, and from the techniques of yours that I’ve tried it looks like that’s probably a no. Drop the ego and maybe that’ll help you. The goal is very easy to understand, this is not the issue nor am I performing any of the technique explicitly shown in this video wrong. The technique simply either 1) isn’t good or 2) so much of it is locked behind your class as to make this video useless for some people, and as I said before it wouldn’t be a financially smart investment to take a class I’m not sure I’ll benefit from. I can try other techniques shown on KZbin in short videos and see immediate improvement, you act as if that is impossible. The truth is actual good techniques usually see fast results, which is to be expected if it is actually good. Maybe the technique is better, but I’m not getting any indication of that.

[@achillesheeltactical]

@@georgekromidas5097 your opinion & that’s okay.

[@BigTexGuitarz]

That looks like passing the buck to a different muscle group lol and I’m totally happy with my grouping and hitting 40/40 during qualifications using what I’ve always used to stabilize my weapon

[@Conan361]

Shrugging up towards it is absolutely still using muscular tension

[@Happy-Honkey]

Maybe for a 5.56 and tactical light stuff, but I’m not shooting my .375H&H resting on my clavicle.

[@DesertTactical]

I realized I was kind of doing this already. Now to refine it. Good info!

[@achillesheeltactical]

Good!

[@SSgtCalebP]

As someone who does military shooting and engages in hunting, I find these instructors funny. These techniques work well with a modern AR-15, but with more traditional rifles old school techniques work well. Something should be taught for what works well for you in advanced classes.

[@kongvue5160]

Best thing is to try it out. It's confusing but willing to test and see what's best.

[@methodsocratic]

Sell your snake oil somewhere else, dude bro.

[@RTTGunsGear]

Interesting concept that completely ignores muscle and skeletal fatigue. I guess for people who can't mount their rifle the common and considered correct way, this over exaggeration could make up for other deficiencies.

[@combatsolutionsgroup2021]

So your ultimately saying your putting the gun back in the shoulder pocket.....

[@achillesheeltactical]

Nope. Optic in-line with the eye, mounting in the medial part of the clavicle. Not pulling the rifle into you but controlling it through leverage with your points of contact. 👍🏼

[@n0xxm3rcyxx]

looks uncomfortable.

[@jstrel7784]

Wow that looks awkward as shit!! 😂.

[@barrysmith1202]

yay! high muzzle (safer, duh), like SEALs since their inception, '63 (probably far earlier, UDT, high muzzle, from WW2, Korea).

[@SouthpawActual]

Knowledge bomb. I still struggle with the concept a bit because of how many years I mounted the rifle the wrong way. Thank you for these videos. They help you reset.

[@achillesheeltactical]

For sure dude! I get it! I’m glad you enjoy them.

[@wcsdiaries]

So is a bladed stance incorrect? I ask bc I've heard Jerry miculek saying he uses it for rifles (and square up for pistols). But this video says to stay square up?@@achillesheeltactical

[@andycraig6905]

​@@wcsdiariesthis technique is used to avoid needing a bladed stance

[@wcsdiaries]

@@andycraig6905 what's the disadvantage of a bladed stance?

[@puddles1458]

You're going to have muscular tension whether your shoulder is forward or backwards. It seems like this guy is trying to reinvent the wheel. It may work but every shooter is different. Just my experience as a Marksmanship instructor in the Marines.

[@MM-qt8gz]

This is legit stupid

[@blakeorona8693]

I thought staring at the target was against the fundamentals of marksmanship?

[@achillesheeltactical]

How many things can the eye focus on at one time?

[@BishopBlast]

Great content…..

[@jeffforbess6802]

I would rather an elevated cheek weld, or extra wide buttstock, with all the top-mounted optics. Cheek weld is more important for accuracy. Bringing the rifle up to the cheek, as opposed to craning the head down to the rifle, just makes ergonomic sense.

[@zbawca88]

what about when I wear Plate Carrier?

[@TheIslandExpat]

I'd say this was a total gimmick, but the guy in the back chewin' backee sold me on it. Next time I come home to visit the states, I'll give this a try.

[@achillesheeltactical]

😂😂😂😂

[@fitter1972]

Rifle Bullshido

[@ok-nice-to-be-here]

He's doing the same thing people that push pull into the pocket shoulder are doing: creating a pocket, but with a roundabout version that can throw off center of balance. No experienced shooter tenses that hard as shown in the "wrong" demo. The whole point of the classic method is to mimic getting into your most balanced fighting stance quickly. Adjusting your upper body after you're already in a balanced fighting stance is the best way to cause yourself additional muscle fatigue.

[@JB4545-v2j]

My man forgets to put the gun back on safe multiple times while running his mouth with this bullshit. Snake oil salesman, this is marketing not training. No-one would listen to anything this guy is teaching if he wasn’t marketing and over selling his Mil experience

[@Ruby_Sterling]

I don’t know. This instructor is reinventing the wheel. Just stabilize the rifle, aim and shoot. Why tense up around the stock?

[@smokingcrab2290]

You want to work with the recoil, not against it. You can't completely "control" the weapon. It's more like learning the best way to let the weapon do it's thing while also letting your body do it's thing.

[@ltwilliamsjonathanrussell8941]

The first M16 I was introduced to me was in basic training in 1989 several changes to how people shoot those things I have not found one technique to be ultimately more Superior than another as far as shoulder pocket no shoulder pocket it all depends on basically the situation where you're shooting you cannot blueprint that s*** like that I may need to put that rifle in the shoulder in my pocket if it's windy if I'm in an uncomfortable position if I'm unsupported Etc you have no clue what shooting position I'm going to take in any given situation I may just revert back to the old weaver just because I'm in that situation and that's where it fits but when you start doing this cookie cutter s*** and then you start teaching it most of these students going to the shooting schools have one thing in common they're easy to kill

[@Celyasa]

Looking to get a comfortable “shouldering” with a plate carrier. Some help needed. I have a K19 3.0 from Agilite.

[@NSWvet83]

He's mostly correct, guys. Dont exaggerate the stock to the cheek. he's just showing in general how to bring it up. A VERY important thing or mechanical advantage we now teach in NSW is to square your shoulders and hips with your fighting/boxing stance. This keeps the body from getting torqued during recoil, while youre trying to fight it. A more squared approach (in general situations) is a more relaxed and stable shooting position for repeated shots.

[@seanoneil277]

That point about torque, axially around the spine, is a very good one. If you have to make multiple shots in a string, you want the rifle to stay square and not yaw from the rotation around your spine. The nearer you bring your stock to your centerline/spine, the more you reduce the yaw tendency. But if you have to add a lot of muscle tension to put the stock there and keep it there, it may not be as effective at countering torque as one would imagine, on paper.

[@NSWvet83]

​@seanoneil277 makes perfect sense, especially if your plate carrier has thick straps and you're trying to fight against it and / or thick clothing with winter gear.

[@Darksmoke_83]

Shit I’ve been doing it all wrong. Thanks bro.

[@rd1084]

Didn’t the SAS use this technique with MP5s back in the day? Not original. BTW sometimes traditional techniques are just fine.

[@crayolascents]

No no no. Everyone knows that the elbow is supposed to be perpendicular to the bore axis at a 90 degree angle from the target to increase pointability while the fingers should be toward the target and your thumb sticking up as a close range co-witness sight. That way, you can use the magnifier attached to your red dot which is attached to your night vision which is attached to your LPVO, straight above your folding bi-pod which should be attached to your mat storage cylinder, right next to the spare batteries compartment underneath your left side light array. Some of you don't even have both fixed and folding iron sights, co-witnessed at both side of the rifle at 45 degrees. Whenever I see somebody with fewer than 70ish attachments on their gun, I know they are a nub. How in the world do you expect to have redundant controls? Don't even get me started that you didn't have mags attached to your sling, with alternating grains and types so you are ready for whatever happens. And, why in the world didn't you have a bottom-attached flare launcher? Those come in handy for night battles. Also I noticed that there is no anemometer on your rifle, which should be attached to top of the light which is attached to your infrared light which is attached to your secondary lazer which is attached to your picitinny extension on top the secondary shroud over the handguard on (what should be) your hex rail. Heck, if you don't have a anemometer attachment you are totally bare bones, like a "Truck Gun" that only has seven or eight optics optics, a couple night sight options, and three or four fixed sights and a bipod. Let's face it, that's as basic as it gets.

[@Bad.Pappy.Official]

I get your point, but that’s still “pocket of shoulder”. In true combat under stress, everything goes out the window unless your basics are hard wired. Train hard and train right, my friends. You don’t get to respawn in this game.

[@shuntao3475]

I been asking these same questions for years and being called stupid. We are taught natural position and alignment with the riffle in prone. In standing, we moved to the gun. Same thing going in Scuba Diving. too much muscling things instead of using natural alignment. NOW.. I have to change my standing... go figure.

[@wcsdiaries]

what about your standing do you change? Do you use a bladed stance?

[@Drawde907]

Whatever... just do whatever you're comfortable with, its a freaking AR

[@mrgoodkat8567]

This is just more of the exaggerated locked out arms c clamp costa made popular in the 10’s. Sure rick here rocks his rifle and shoot fast and accurate. But so did costa with his ridiculous c clamp bitd.

[@GHOST13500]

I would never roll my clavicle to a position where it solely takes the pressure of multiple shots, no less train to do that primarily. The collarbone breaks the easiest, especially compared to the pocket of meat between your chest and front delt.

[@AstraZero7]

Why do we over complicate puttjng a rifle to your shoulder and shooting. Everyday we get some cool tacticool people telling us do this do that. How about do what works for you. We are all not build the same ans running plates, this is almost impossible.

[@W1ckedRcL]

He's doing the same thing in a different direction. Ultimately using the exact same muscle groups in a round about way.

[@rcPatriot410]

i would think a rolled shoulder would fatigue much faster than using the shoulder as a brace which has the strength and stability of the back helping out. ARs were never designed to be in the pocket of the shoulder anyway. but hey, different strokes for different folks. no one can tell you what's comfortable and what works for you.

[@cyberlycans4191]

He's playing with words, the idea of a shoulder pocket is that we are creating the pocket with our shoulder, and the way we do that is by Rolling the shoulder for the way he demonstrates, absolutely nothing new and what he's doing... for sure if I just stand straight up and point to some place near my shoulder there is no shoulder pocket, the idea has always been that you create a pocket of the shoulder around the buttstock of the rifle

[@HiDragLowSpeed]

I have seen countless videos of ''special dude'' doing this. I know this is controversial but if these guys are doing it then it definitely works.

[@DangerRussDayZ6533]

Interesting concept but I wouldn't really want to put a rifle of a higher caliber, something with more recoil than a 5.56, on my collar bone.

[@Username4453]

So in short, shoulder pocket, don't pull or squeeze because you'll just fatigue yourself.

[@jamesstever9820]

This man is doing to much. People like to over complicate simple things. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@MatthewC176]

Great! Now do it with body armor And running between targets so you have to reform the mount quickly

[@FullTimeOverland]

"are my eyes in my shoulder pocket?" Why are so many of these tactical guys assholes? 🤦🏻 Thank you for your service, but come on.

[@donalddday7741]

interesting cause someone else's video says dont scrunch up shoulder so basically everyone seems to have the best way to shoot ?

[@don8659]

Idk about all that man ... Im going to have to try and see for myself. Maybe it is more effective. Just looks weird and just as much if not more range of motion. Maybe its just being trained one way for so long new methods seem odd. Only one way to know for sure

[@COOLBLUERED]

You can do that shoulder stuff all day without a PC. Once you have a PC on it’s a different story.

[@MrSoonermadman]

Looks the same position of a shoulder just a different path to get there. Maybe I’m just not seeing the difference? I’ll try it to try it.

[@Flashhideronly]

Interesting view point. I tried both. I find myself in the middle area on it. I also don’t like the high mounts for a few reasons and keeping my optics at standard height, this technique does not make life easier for me personally

[@goddessomai9177]

We also are now selling blunt impact to the collar bone because it feels so good. Try this with a large caliber round that isn't a 22 on steroids... I hope he got paid alot for selling this New woke...

[@scotthalladay2210]

Training changes, but when you’re taught one way then have to undo that, it’s difficult to keep up

[@dustin_robbins]

Great way to ridicule me for years of disservice lol. I can hit center mass at great distance, but this makes so much sense. I'll be changing my stance after this.

[@gagecraig934]

I've always tucked my elbows like this, and thought maybe I was just weird

[@notgay5859]

Ok but how much outside of a flat range running complete slick makes this really useful

[@DaveJ-ox2dh]

God I hate this over analyzing, go paintball and you’ll realize this rifle training is all bullshit snake oil

[@devinfitzgerald6569]

Yes this is a pass for me dog…stay in a fighting stance and you won’t be waisting time moving your shoulders into place