No Nut Savage - Lose the barrel nut and go torque shoulder!

[@johnknouse8846]

I love the Savage system. Makes it possible to install a prefit, and head space it without paying a gunsmith.

[@maynardcarmer3148]

@johnknouse8846 I just recently replaced the barrel on my Savage with an aftermarket one. Once headspaced and broken in, and with a handload it liked, the first shot from a clean, cold barrel was dead on at 100 yards, while the second just made the hole a little larger. Results count, and who cares about how it looks?

[@dhooter]

This dude is an asshole snob.

[@jonprice1623]

That's why gunsmith don't like them. Takes business from them

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

My Savage target action is fitted no nut and shoots high master in FClass. On the flip side, I have shot with guys who have a Northland prefit shooting 598 34x, and a factory Savage LRP 6.5 cm shooting high 580’s with 25+ x with 2800 rounds down the barrel.

[@mikerobinson6606]

All 4 of my Savage Rifles have barrel nuts and shoot pretty darn good shockingly.

[@buckaroobonsi555]

My Savage competition rifles started off at Cabela 12FV's after rebates I had $200 into each one. $175 to have Sharp Shooter Supply blue print and re-time each one. You have your choice of pre-fits from quality manufactures. My F-open has a Brux MTU profile finished at 29.5 inches in 6.5CM. My TR is in 308 but if when I am not competing in TR I have a 6CM barrel I throw on for F Open for midrange courses I have 3 different barrels all MTU profile one is 3 grove 1:7.7, one is 5R grove 1:7.5 and one is 6 grove 1:7 all are 28" in length and SS. All of them started as blanks that my local gunsmith 3 hours each way setup for that rifle. He too wanted to make them with a shoulder but I can not change those in the hotel room with one barrel nut wrench, lightweight action wrench and a go/no-go guage. I can fit all of those tools in a tiny little bag like kids use at track meets to put their spikes "special shoes with spikes" in. My third Savage is for varmints and long range plinking and I have 308Win, 6.5CM, 6.5x47L, 6x47L, 243Win barrels for. I wanted to do 6BR but I hear it is tricky to get it to feed from Savage blind box magazine so I passed on it! I have considered getting a Savage long action so I can have a switch barrel for long action cartridges as well. I can change a barrel on my Savages in under 5 minutes. Getting the factory barrel off is a chore but after that if you do not over tighten the nut and use a good synthetic grease it is easy to change them out with out a barrel vice. Now when I have a Savage blueprinted I use a precision ground replacment recoil lug and I have the stock nut checked for concentricity and the face trued up. If it the face can not be trued up or the nut is not concentric including the threads I purchase an after market nut. Anyone that puchases a Savage 110 or it's dervivitives that is not taking advantage of it's ability to switch barrel or to rebarrel quickly and easily for competition is silly. The only reason to purchase a Savage action and use it in competition is down to the barrel nut and the ease of switching barrels! take away that from the Savage and you might as well purchase something of superior design, materials and build quality!

[@jared5862]

I actually like the savage system for my purposes. I can spin on a barrel burner like a 243 or 6.5-284 or 22-250 and shoot it until accuracy starts falling off and then spin on a new barrel myself. It works for me. If I were shooting competitions I’d go a different rout but for 500 yard hunting the savage works. It’s pretty easy to get 1/2 moa accuracy with them.

[@Planeiron]

don matter what it looks like it's all bout the bugholes

[@stricklyreloading8494]

Great video! I would like to see you do a full accurizing job on a savage!

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

I have one coming soon, actually! Thank you for watching!!

[@stricklyreloading8494]

@ I may be getting you to accurize a model 12 BVSS for me in the near future! How do you feel about their “floating” bolt head?

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

@@stricklyreloading8494 Can do! The floating bolt head is good for many reasons: already good contact to internal abutments in the receiver and can change out easily for cartridge conversion!

[@stricklyreloading8494]

Does the floating bolt head make it tricky when trying to true the back sides of the lugs on the bolt?

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

@@stricklyreloading8494 I don't even bother. Every one I have checked are contacting 85% or better already.

[@1mpur1ty]

7SAUM is the way!

[@buckaroobonsi555]

I have 8 different Pre-Fits for 3 Savage Rifles. One is F-Open rifle, one is F-T/R and one is a varmint rig. I would never want a shoulder on any of my Savages because I sofetimes need to pull a barrel for competition and install another one. Where I live it is often a 3-4 hour drive to find a real gunsmith and they are as busy as a one leged man in an a$$ kicking contest! I get 600 to 1200 rounds of accurate barrel life in my F rifles it is not like I am shooting P-Dogs and can afford to have a group open up during the season. Add in load development and I would need to be a rich man with my own private gunsmith to have to deal with shouldered barrel installations! If anything I want all of my competition guns to be able to use pre-fits with a barrel nut even if they are not Savages. Now if it is a hunting rifle than sure give me a shouldered barrel they look much nicer and I am not going to wear out my Elk rifle in my life time hunting even though it is a magnum. I am not putting 20 round strings through my Elk rifle when conditions are steady. If I had you blue print a rifle for me for competition even if I wanted a barrel nut I would expect you to do your normal standard of precision just because Remington, Savage, Ruger, Winnchester etc... can not be troubled to be precise does not mean that the design is worthless. Anyone with eye's to see can look at a Savage and see that every detail of it's design is about reducing production cost, waste and time to manufacture. The amazing thing is that they can be made to shoot and shoot very well in spite of the terrible compromized design and poor execution of said design! If I was going to purchase a new custom action specifcly for competition I would only select a custom action that had the option of using either Savage or Remington Pre-Fit's! On the other hand I am not going to send a Surplus Miltary Mauser to you and want it setup to use Pre-Fits. I think some nuance is in order on the barrel nut. Shame on Savage for doing such a poor job building and assembling their rifles!

[@JeffHeathTheVintageWorkshop]

So, I'm a big Savage Arms fan, and let me tell you why. I'm a lefty shooter, and Savage supplies us lefties with the largest number of left handed bolt action options in North America. PERIOD. Their barrel nut system is awesome because it allows those of us, who choose to do the simple work ourselves, to not have to seek out an overpriced so-called "gunsmith" to do that work for us, make us wait 2 to 3 weeks or longer, and charge half the price of a new rifle to set head space on a new barrel. Ridiculous, and I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for the quality of "gunsmithing" work that 90% of the so-called gunsmiths do in my area of the country....the midwest. Just like this video, they want to shame you into thinking their the only ones who can properly headspace a barrel swap or true up an action. Once you get past the entry level 110 offerings from Savage, and move up to the Timberline, the Ultralite, or the Elite Precision lines, you get a completely accurized and blue printed barrel with a very flat and registering proper lug. Barrel swaps and headspace setting with a go no/go gauge are as easy as a 5 to 10 minute job if you take the time to have a coffee break in the middle. Why would anybody want to pay $175 for that service?????? I've watched a couple of your video's, and this will be the last. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with the barrel nut system of a rifle. All of my Savage rifles (I own 6) shot sub MOA out of the box, and my current 6.5 cm, which started out as a Timberline model is currently consistently shooting around 1/4 MOA when I compete in local PRS stuff for fun. I see guys at the range with their fancy $3500 plus rigs that are having all sorts of problems. If you want your channel to grow beyond sub 2000 subscribers, you'd better lose the attitude. You've certainly lost this viewer.

[@Eric--zs6um]

I had a Savage built without the barrel nut. It was chambered in 25-06 with a 9 twist. Most accurate rifle I have. Load r&d was vg. No load exceeded. 630 in group size with 5 shots. Going to build a 6 rem AI NEXT. SAME WAY. New sub.

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

Let us know if we can help you out with that next one! Thanks for watching and for engaging the channel!!

[@vettepicking]

In the machinist world the threads should have a flat on the male threads and be about .005" undersized on diameter for a 75% thread fit.

[@CJ-ty8sv]

Not to mention, the OD (a nominal value) doesn't really even matter (other than the thread % as you mentioned). All that really matters is that the Pitch diameter is correct.

[@Le10White]

0.004 off thread crest is actually over spec of theoretical crest minus 0.125 of thread lead. Ref: Machinerys Handbook. I like your work!

[@newcreation2521]

Due to normally great accuracy, I don't mind the looks of the Savage barrel nut at all, as it is the look of accuracy. It also allows for easy barrel swaps at home with minimal tools.

[@GWR189]

Savage in the 1950s figured out how to build an accurate hunting rifle that a working man could afford. Gun writers spilled much ink about how ugly the "nut" was. The gun scribes like many shooters hate change even if it's a good thing. Time is money, Savage engineers understood this fact long before CNC machines came about. The 110 design was a study in efficient rifle production. There is a place in the rifle market for custom built rifles, Griffin & Howe will gladly build you "1" All American 300 Win Mag "without a barrel nut" for $21,720 plus tax. Savage will sale you "34", 110 Apex Hunter 300 Win Mag and throw in a Vortex 3-9X40 scope. Of course, you have to willing to overlook the barrel nut.

[@tacticalrabbit308]

Question how much barrel would you leave for a barrel in .429 diameter projectile , muzzle threading for a rifle barrel , 11/16 or 3/4 inch to put a muzzle break on it?

[@steven1365]

The barrel to action connection doesn’t really matter to me What I don’t like about savage is the bolt and extraction issues. Thats why remmage is the way to go

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

They do indeed have an inferior extractor in theory. That being said - I have not seen one fail under "normal" conditions. Lots of these mass produced (by robots) factory and prefit barrels have shoddy chambers with all sorts of roughness that I have had to polish out more times than I want to remember, that's when they fail. Thanks for watching!

[@aruba4lyfe]

Very intriguing. I do like the pre fit aspect of my Savages, but definitely do not enjoy the look of the barrel nut.

[@Noscrap909]

Why would you spend $1000 on a barrel and put it on a factory action that “ monkeys “ made ?

[@freedomlover3834]

This is awesome i have a savage 340b 222 cal that i was going to replace the barrel. Im going to be contacting you. Thank you not sure why or how your channels was recommended but I’m a new subscriber thank you

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

We appreciate that! Looking forward to it!

[@craigsmith6710]

Can you use the SAC action wrench to remove the stock barrel, or only install the new barrel due to the lower toque needed to install the new barrel compared to removing the stock one?

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

SAC would be able to advise you on that, but I reckon it would be OK to hold the action still if you're putting all the force on the barrel but itself. Maybe hold the barrel tight as well to ensure you're not over stressing the SAC head...

[@dhooter]

Takes you weeks to build a rifle. Takes Savage 20 minutes. Apples to apples. Give them weeks to build a rifle they’ll smoke anything you can mastermind. Just sayin. Savage makes a damn accurate factory mass produced rifle. Fact

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

😂

[@jonprice1623]

You claimed extreme precision and tight tolerances then recycled a factory recoil lug!?

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

Yes! I do what my customers ask. They did not want to upgrade the lug. I offered, but they declined. What can you do?

[@pukyviolante4532]

because the barrels do not have a heat treatment after being finished

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

Yet they still shoot

[@GGNoble47]

hands ?

[@dave8456]

YEA! Gun smiths don't like the barrel NUT design. All because people can re-barrel their own rifle, anytime they want. I prefer the NUT because I can set the head space exactly. Don't have to F around with a gunsmith and hours of machine work. Or even dealing with gunsmith's time schedule. As far as looks of the nut. As most shoot with a scope and certain rail mounts. Nut is most likely partly covered up.

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

Thank you for watching, and for engaging the channel sir! Gunsmiths are a worthless bunch of wankers, aren't they?!? 🤣

[@dave8456]

@@AccurateRiflesandRestorations I wouldn't totally say worthless. Some are helpful and great. Some others are after your wallet. I thought watching the process in the video was interesting. But the tone was leaning towards shaming gun enthusiast for using adjustable head space system. Also, shaming / disrespecting, degrading the people who assemble such rifles. All thinking one system is better than the other. Really a poor attitude to have while making videos for gun people.

[@JeffHeathTheVintageWorkshop]

@@dave8456 Dave, well said. You absolutely nailed the tone of this video's intention, which is to shame gun owners that utilize the wonderful system that Savage utilizes so that we can do the simple work ourselves. This video was an obvious attempt by the channel owner to make us feel bad about bypassing paying gunsmiths to "do it right", instead of doing it ourselves, and it failed miserably.

[@dave8456]

@@JeffHeathTheVintageWorkshop Hey, Thanks for the reply. Also, now the new fad for gunsmiths, for getting your money. All trying to convince gun owners to true up their actions. Many try and say it improves accuracy. Not sure how everything behind the cartridge is going to help accuracy. That is all dictated by chamber fit and head space. Blue printing a bolt can be a good idea, just for even wear and longevity. Also, I am not saying a trued-up action isn't nice. But it's all hype and only for the gun owner to impress others with money spent. Sort of like the fine machining of a German or Swiss Watch. Not that it isn't nice. But it all keeps time just like all the others. LMAO! 👍

[@PhillipAnglin]

All that work and didn't square the action face and used a stamp steel recoil lug that's never square

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

when it's a customer job, you do what the customer wants. Of course we offer this, but sometimes it's not in the budget of the person paying for the work. Thanks for watching!

[@CJ-ty8sv]

Bwhahahahah!!! Yes, I find it comical when people make a bid deal about a nominal dimension that has very little meaning.. You do know that the OD of a thread is NOT the important dimension that matters, when it comes to thread connections, right? Being 8 thou smaller means absolutely NOTHING as long as the pitch diameter (the diameter that really means something) is right. The OD is just a Nominal number, nothing more, nothing less. In fact, its possible to have the correct OD and have a sloppy loose fit and also possible to have a smaller than nominal OD and the male and female threads not even thread together.

[@AccurateRiflesandRestorations]

Good point! I would suspect that the robots don't care much about pitch diameter either unless the operator is checking with wires and correcting offsets frequently enough to catch it. Thank you for watching the video and for engaging the channel!

[@CJ-ty8sv]

​@@AccurateRiflesandRestorations Certainly don't disagree with you there. Though, I will say this, we live in a day in age were robots can be built and programmed to measure and "care" about things like PD (and any other critical dimensions of parts they make). Not saying that Savage (or any mass producer of general consumption consumer goods) has such robots but there are places that have setups that run lights out making parts that are taken from machining center to a CMM and checked and then placed in good or discard bins based on CMM results, all with essentially almost no human interaction... Basically only need human interaction when things go really wrong. In fact, there are machining centers that can do it in the machine to within the machines accuracy level using probes and probably some that use optics and laser to measure to a finer degree of accuracy than the machine itself could. We have some parts that we run for a particular customer fairly often, that a probing / measuring cycle is ran on each finished part before the part comes out of the machine, that checks 26 critical dimensions. The probing cycle adds 37 seconds to the total cycle time for each part and generates a file that is sent to a computer to print with the serial number for that part, all relevant data and the program that handles the file compares it to allowable tolerance for each measurement and anything that is out, is highlighted on the report printout. Total time including printing is less than a minute. To measure the 26 dimensions by hand with Mic's and other tools, (down to a 10th of a thou for linear and 15sec of a degree for degree measurements mind you), compare to allowable tolerance and enter them into a computer to be able to print a report for the customer (a costumer request), takes a human serval minutes and is subject to human error to top it all off. All in all, the robot (machine) can do it all just as accurately as any of us and in a tiny fraction of the time...

[@jonprice1623]

You don't like the looks so it's "improper?" Not hardly.

[@jaimesanborn308]

Lose the savage & buy a real rifle.. 😂😂😂