No One is Talking about this Change in Helldivers 2

[@Jorasaurus]

i didnt know about the change when i was diving last night. but when i was kicked and put into my own game i felt alone but happy i still got a chance to get stuff from it. idk if the guy that kicked me know but i did still get (most) of the samples and got the last nest. i am happy for this change

[@MartinVetorri]

Wtf is wrong with you mellow dramatic morons???? Who tf talks like this, pull yourself together bud

[@tintopstudios3820]

I feel on the alone part. It happened to me. I'm not sure if I had the wrong loadout or what I immediately joined, and then I was immediately alone with everyone's gear. I didn't know how I should feel. But yeah, it was nicer than all of sudden being back on my ship going. "Well... that stinks"

[@plohish1337]

that's not only when you are kicked, but if the host leaves.

[@Ayosubzero]

I hate when people kick me for no reason. I put in the work and clear the map, but that’s not enough for some people. It gets tribal and almost elitist at times. Like someone said, this game wasn’t meant to be huge. Also, sometimes the people you’re playing with are kids. Also, I hate when people kill me and take my weapons. It’s messed up.

[@comradelemon6928]

They should punish the option to kick people like u kick someone u loose some samples and xp and requisition points not saying this will be a thing but if people are kicking others for no reason then they should loose some xp samples and requisition points

[@DBSilver2024]

@@comradelemon6928 Theres no way for the system to tell if someone is kicking for no reason, this would just help trolls kill in others lobbies with no repercussion.

[@reubenpoort9554]

@@comradelemon6928kinda like enlisted from giajen( that game has its own problems) though they get a desertion penalty for leaving early. It does make sense to punish those who try to kick without a valid reason.

[@alphawolfgang173]

my 5 year old daughter LOVES to play this game, shes actually not too bad either.

[@BotFisherman]

I had one guy who wanted to command every single movement everyone made halfway through the mission and when they weren't heard one (1) time, they kicked the person. After that, the other teammate left and so did I. We were doin our own things, not dying or anything. Dude just got butthurt he didn't get the promotion to a Democracy Officer

[@clayman2314]

I’m having fun, and I know others out there are also having fun. So safe to say I’m sticking around. Plus I play tf2, I’m accustomed to other people thinking a game is “over” or “dying.”

[@LEFT4GABEN]

TF2 BROTHER!

[@Seeeyog]

@@clayman2314 Great to know! I had to post it as my channel is solely on HD2 content, glad to know that people are positive here. Only negativity I've seen is on reddit sadly.

[@Lil_Hondo]

UPHOLD THE MISSION

[@aledddy6438]

This. I think there is a lot of negativity, but the game is indeed fun. Just needs to stop the "balance patches" which just keeps doing bad changes. This game shouldn't have a meta, it's only objective should let us have fun (because is a PvE). I'm tired of competitive games.

[@OrionDawn15]

TF2 was abandoned, not murdered by dev incompetence.

[@TheTripleAce3]

0:49 i miss having friends that would play the game

[@averageschizophreniaenjoye8565]

Seriously, same. Many people gave up after the sony debacle and nerfs.

[@luiwrldz]

I'm looking some friends to play with

[@Seeeyog]

Join our Discord! It's not that big, but there are people who play regularly!✊🏻

[@mcprice3640]

Don't lie, you never had any friends to begin with 🎉

[@TheOmertosa]

Still annoying to get kicked, esp on higher difficulty missions, because then you have to secure your extract by yourself and hope you're not low on reinforcement lives.

[@Mrjohnny164]

Well the game adjusts the spawns based on the current amount of helldivers automatically and Im assuming you can call in the SOS beacon which can also help The other helldivers weapons are also left behind so it that kind of helps too

[@littlenibba2388]

Try stealth. It works well

[@Covertfun]

You also retain xp and super credits without extracting so even in that disaster scenario there's a little consolation prize now But yes it would be impossible for me to solo extract above 7

[@thumrabeldeiti9336]

Dont be a lv 30 playing helldiver diff and u wont get kicked shocking

[@TheOmertosa]

@thumrabeldeiti9336 Making up your own reasons for why I could've been kicked and coming in to reply just to say that in an immediate aggressive way. What a weirdo bro, 😆 And I've seen lower lvls then that do Helldive just as easily

[@k1wd.]

I'm gonna be honest, the devs have made a masterpiece. They do gut some stuff, but they are learning. I feel like youtube and social media always pushes it to the extreme for the engagement..

[@simonepergolis8676]

you feel it bc it is like this, most of the ppl are not satisfied with their lifes and they have to complain at every thing, forgetting to enjoy what they have. Or they just want to make money shit talking about other ppl, devs celebrities etc, and it's really sad. Arrowhead isn't a studio like rockstar games or others so they can do mistakes. The problem is, complaining has a real power now thanks to the work of the social media.

[@DarthTrooper2021]

While I haven’t played Hd2 in 2-3 months due to work/school, this game is still great. Of course having weapons change sucks but as long as I’m having fun, it’s all good.

[@mango6718]

well when u lose like 90% of ur player base, lock people out of playing, claim u listen to feedback and do the opposite. people are gunna get frustrated its natural. i think people are js tired of this trend of modern gaming either being unfinished or sluggish

[@onebrickatatime9097]

I've never seen a game do this before and safe to say it's an amazing approach to the problem

[@ВладимирБолотов-ъ3э]

Warframe have same mechanic, but due sheer amont of bugs that sometimes doesn't help at all ;)

[@effive7817]

Monster hunter does this too

[@andruuu4649]

​@@ВладимирБолотов-ъ3э with the difference that in Warframe you don't kick people, instead, if the host leaves the host is passed to another player instead of kicking everyone

[@aidsowen8369]

@@andruuu4649 same thing happens in HD2 if the host leaves. everyone doesnt get kicked, player 2 gets the squad lead position.

[@RoflcopterPunch]

:o I genuinely thought that was a bug or glitch. 😮 Thank you, Arrowhead, for giving me and others a chance to still finish the mission and make it out alive.

[@ceballos-exe]

I had a guy in a bug mission, i threw in a napalm airstrike, the dude walked right into it, got (obviously) killed and kicked me like he didnt have 3 business days to react. I swear most people in the game are amazing, but those bad apples are...something

[@Lem_Nade_Music]

once a guy got killed by a bot shooting a stuck hellbomb then he kicked me cause i had a barrage near (and no, it didn't detonate it)

[@pFantam611]

Hey what was the guy’s name? Do you remember? I was having a bad day once, didn’t notice someone had thrown a napalm (on a Defense mission), died and out of rage kicked the guy. I feel really bad for him

[@ceballos-exe]

@pFantam611 i really cannot remember, it was in a "get the civilians out" type of mission. In case it was you, then its completely understandable, its not the reaction you should have, but we've all had bad days, and we are all capable of doing stuff like that in those situations. The most important thing of all is that, even if it wasn't me the one who you kicked, there is remorse, so thats good to hear

[@goldengrain9851]

Yeah I get that all the time, they just run right up to a 500kg bomb like Patrick from SpongeBob SquarePants then get in chat cursing you out like they didn't get a warning, dude even if I don't say anything on the mic, my diver screams it out, EAGLE 1 screams it out and there's a bright light before it hits I even try throwing it as far as I can and they still run up to it like it's a supply drop.

[@Sigismund5765]

The only time I kick people is when they are aggressive to the other teammates, like cussing them out, telling them not to do something cause they don't like it, or actively killing us. I've had people cuss out other low rank randoms in my group and kicked them, and apologize for that behavior. It's rude and undemocratic! Always support your rookies! If we can not guide the future troops, then we are surely doomed!

[@deffikE05]

> how are you feeling about the future of the game Wishing it was out of the Early Access period, where every other patch breaks half the stuff and makes the game even more unstable.

[@JayadeepShanmugam]

That is primarily a problem on PC but yeah... It really feels unpolished at times.

[@asialsky]

This change has made me have to resort to just blocking trolls. They have no reason to fear extracting without the rest of the team because "screw you, got mine" is now a protected class of idiot.

[@PantheonContent]

-you can still remove them from your game and block them It's not protection, it's removing the ability to grief, whether or not YOU think it's warranted does not matter. "Two wrongs make not a right, helldiver!"

[@calebheisserer5391]

What you do is TK and just make them watch. Had a troll the other night TKing the team and just trolling the mic. We made him a spectator and he eventually left

[@TheVaged]

im constantly blocking people.

[@saithvenomdrone]

I need more than big open fields to play in, imo. I'd like more compact spaces like underground tunnels, abandon laboratories, desolate marooned ships. Of course that would cause a problem for the stratagems, but I'm sure they could offer other alternatives for those playspaces, like letting you bring in the heavy guns with your Helldiver, side areas with supply restocks, etc.

[@Funkloned]

Yeah, underground missions o interior scenarios would be cool. They could be special mission with their own mechanics where you equip the stratagem weapons at the start or you could have the stratagems drill the rock like in Deep Rock Galactic.

[@sandman8496]

The game was never meant to be huge, just look at the first game. it’ll boil down to just hardcore fans. It’ll blow back up again when the illuminate get released. I just hope they take their time and release the illuminate in a good finished state.

[@Seeeyog]

@@sandman8496 Valid! I agree with you.

[@sephiroth8377]

The more players push for the "hold my hand" power fantasy approach most FPS games cater too, the less of us HD1 vets will hang around I believe. Im in the minority that believes the flamethrower change was good and that "Impossible" level should be close to impossible with a 4 man squad.

[@OrionDawn15]

@@sephiroth8377 Nobody's asking for an easier game.

[@kirant]

⁠​⁠@@sephiroth8377 - I’m with you. It just feels like they pulled the trigger on the Flamethrower too quickly (likely they felt their hand was forced to prevent Crispers from hard countering Chargers). Once the bugs get worked out, I think the Flamethrower will be a hell of a weapon. It already is outside it’s bugged damage on Charger tails (limiting appropriate hit points right now to the tip): its ability to remove small bugs is pretty amazing now. My group happens to love difficulty 10. We clear it consistently but feel like we’re under actual threat a bit. It’s a nice setting for a little challenge.

[@Alejojandro]

⁠@@sephiroth8377 well, I’m pretty sure there has to be some middle ground for the flamethrower, you know? Neither extremely broken or fucking dog shit. Your support weapon is supposed to be your anti tank, meant to deal with things your primary and secondary can’t deal with (anything above light armor, big ass enemies), so, if it can’t kill anything above chargers, why should you bring it instead of using something more useful?

[@Sybrss]

I thought it would have been a “if I die your coming with me” but this was nice

[@Tee-bn4bb]

this happened to me just yesterday and I honestly thought it was a bug, leaving me in my own instance. I was kicked for absolutely no reason at all and instead I had a fun time taking all the samples for myself and extracted as if I had done this mission solo. So whoever that was... up yours, griefer.

[@theredshirtbrowncoat423]

This really was a hugely positive change. Thank you for not doing the standard hate videos that are so popular. The positivity is genuinely refreshing.

[@ClaytonQ45]

I love to see stuff like this. Good work devs. I don't play multiplayer games outside of my friend group much anymore but I remember when I did and this would have been a breath of fresh air

[@davidpinto1892]

Getting kicked for no reason was one of the biggest issues I had. Not even all the drama had as much of an impact as much as those kick-trollers did. So happy they fixed this

[@TruthKeepersOfficialHD2]

I can't play with my friend because his game is on drugs or something, he can't go without lag for 3 minutes, then disconnects Its not his internet, no other game does that Its frustrating

[@Seeeyog]

I have a friend like this😭, try to play with him as a host...if you start lagging then it can be a routing issue with him and his ISP. HD2 uses Peer to Peer connection which is not that great tbh.

[@D-Boy22]

People are addicted to drama. Some of Arrowhead decisions were very questionable for sure, but I think this is still one of the best game around, with so much potential

[@xd_k3v1n]

facts alot of people have been overreacting for no reason and like u said AH makes some questionable decisions but other than that the games still extremely fun to play if we exclude the technical issues, i cant wait to see how the games development and story progresses hopefully it gets better

[@thepersonyeah9680]

Yeah the Helldiver drama fuelers are acting like commentary KZbinrs covering Mr. Beast drama

[@brefy]

Fr the game is in the best state it’s been in since launch! 😐

[@StormierNik]

Even though most people have valid concerns and complaints, i know for a fact that there's shit stirrers who can't play the game. I've seen several people on the subreddit spout pure vitriol about the state of the game and the changes. Then when you confront them and say "Well, that's a shame, and you should take a break from the game if it's not enjoyable." they say "I'm on xbox and i can't play but if i cou--" No, wtf, why are you engaging like that then? These people still are on console war shit and/or envious that they can't play and do that shit to cope. Then because of the early drama, it attached people on Reddit, Twitter, and Discord who legit FLOCK to places purely for drama. The type that browse LivestreamFails. It's fucking gross. Also there's visibly a ton of reactionary children who act like a single weapon change killed the entire game.

[@AngelTwilight]

I've been following AH for too long to stop believing them. I've played enough to lose interest in the game due to lack of content and monotony, and their stupid decisions haven't helped matters. And I also remind you that the game is still unavailable for purchase in 180 countries, and that doesn't do the game any good. I think the harsh criticism of AH is justified. If they don't change the game in these two months of correction, I'll just forget about this game.

[@monopixel5569]

I'm having a ton of fun, personally I think that since the EoF update, people in Super Helldive are more cooperative and willing to have more diverse loadout as a team since It's difficult to just play alone like it used to. I used to play LoL for years, so I am pretty much immune to nerfs and toxicity haha My main issues are crashes and rag dolls which are anoyying to deal with

[@Lem_Nade_Music]

thank you for being positive in a community that got addicted to drama

[@AIGAdmiral]

I’m really looking forward to forward to the future of the game. Vehicles. Bosses. The Illuminate. Actually Defending Super Earth in a last stand. It is going to be epic.

[@someonestolebigboi-imbigboi]

sadly due to the integrety of the servers being as strong as two bricks held by spider webs, this kind of instance happens on an hourly basis and is mostly the primary outcome... a game alone while some random instantly fills the slot in the server youre supposed to still be in.

[@RepublicofODLUM]

The dcs aren't that common at all for most people, in my experience. I'd say out of the 300 hours I have across ps5 and pc I've crashed maybe 6-7 times

[@Seeeyog]

The game is Peer to Peer, no dedicated servers. I have experienced disconnect issues with only 1 friend so far, other games have been fine.✊🏻

[@RC41591Shadow]

I also really appreciated this change. I wouldn't always be able to finish or survive, but appreciated having the chance.

[@rory8182]

I like this, no punishments incase people are being dicks, but since no one loses out, trolls have no reason to do this

[@solomonmars5735]

The fight up is uphill, but i've equipped servo-assisted. We'll be taking this mountain in momentarily. FOR SUPER EARTH.

[@miskin213]

People seem to forget that Helldivers 2 is a live service game. Sure, this update might be a bit overexaggerated by the devs but I see so much potential in this game, which is why to this day I still invest my time in it. Plus, it's just fun! What happened to just having fun?

[@Funkloned]

Yeah, Im here for the long run. Specially those who have played the 1st Helldivers know the potential this game have for things the first hd had, like vehicles, bosses, enemy factions, weapon customization, etc. and new things they can surprise us with, like a clan system, raids, "dungeons", missions where 2 enemy factions are already fighting each other. So I think is worth it to stick around.

[@masterpotato9889]

this was an amazing change because not only tif you get kicked, but if you accidentally disconect you keep everything wich i appreciate

[@Samuel034]

Thank you for choosing the best part of Liber-tea OST - my body democratically decides to tear up at the solo viola, then sweeping strings, memories of so many fallen Helldivers…

[@Seeeyog]

For Democracy Brother!🫡

[@RandomJuicyFella]

This and the new patch actually revived the whole game

[@SirMalaran]

It’s nice to see a HD2 update channel that just gives us info without dumping on the devs. I have yet to see a choice made by the devs that would make me question their motives unlike other companies. They are doing their best, and am looking forward to what is to come. Thanks for not adding to the outrage.

[@midtown3221]

I've yet to see this. Every time I'm kicked I'm back on my ship so I've been wondering if I misheard that they had already implemented the changes.

[@Degarth]

It's a good change a loooong time coming, but I highly doubt it brings back anyone that left or is a major contribution to keeping players.

[@RepublicofODLUM]

It doesn't actually matter what AH does to make this game better, does it? People will just put a negative spin on anything.

[@Degarth]

@RepublicofODLUM Some people always will put a negative spin on it, but not most. If AH quietly fixed problems and expands content, most people will acknowledge they did just that. They need to aim at No Man's Sky. But, they really hyped that last update, and it wasn't much (IMO).

[@tylerberg4832]

@@RepublicofODLUMwow almost like bad changes bring in bad feedback crazy right ?

[@RepublicofODLUM]

@@tylerberg4832 Except we're talking about a good change here, ya dingdong. That's exactly my point, it doesn't matter if they do something good, everyone just whines either way It's okay, I can see I'm triggering some ppl so I'll leave u guys to your little bitchfest, have fun 👍

[@RepublicofODLUM]

@@tylerberg4832 This is a video about a good change and people still come here just to whine. That's my point ya dingdong, good changes don't seem to matter whatsoever when a single weapon gets nerfed it's just ALL negativity. It's childish and makes the community look really bad

[@artikostudios1136]

Happened to me yesterday, there are some glitches regarding stratagems but it is a very welcome change

[@Leftryer_]

im having fun and i will continue to dive!

[@iamyourhusband1757]

best part is you become your own host and others can still join

[@bachtruongson9408]

Bro got vaporize- I mean court martialed 😁

[@playersg1]

The problem is if the host kicks you during the shuttle landing, it will glitch out and go through the ground. You will be unable to extract and still lose your samples. Had this happen to me.

[@Seeeyog]

That's a good find! I'll try to replicate it later.

[@evasionbonus2969]

I’m hopeful for the future of this game, it’s rocky right now with the current drama but im sure it’ll bounce back to be great as it was at launch

[@swivelshivel6576]

It’s downside is when you’re kicked and you’re in the middle of a major conflict. Like I drop into a public game and like three minutes in it says I’m just kicked. Bastards left me with like less than the amount of respawn so would’ve had otherwise also, and they didn’t even complete the first objective (the oil refinery mission on a bug world)

[@Seeeyog]

Atleast you're in mission rather than returning back to your ship. Put out an SOS and fight your way through diver!✊🏻

[@harr77q45]

Oh!? So that’s why my friend with bad internet was always saying “hey I got kicked, just let me finish up this mission.” I just thought it was bugged.

[@killershot2002]

This has to be the best feature ever for a game and should be implanted into every coop game from this day. I got kicked a few weeks back right at the end and boom straight into my own game with all the medals, missions completed and where we were at in the level. Fantastic but hardest part was getting out alive. I must have had 3 lives left then the counter twice over with just as many bugs to kill. It was pure mayhem for like 18 minutes but I did it and felt relieved. Best feature ever.

[@axios4702]

I still remember when I got kicked literally as the Pelican took off on a mission. Guy was called InhumanScum and lived up to the name.

[@BringYourPlatoon]

I'm begrudgingly lowering the difficulty to 7 or 8. Super Helldive simply is not fun or worth it right now. I get killed from ragdolling 90% of the time because it takes too long to get back up, or the "Impact" kills me. Plus bugs are... also an issue. Last night I had a squad with me and 4-5 Chargers, 2 Bile Titans, and an Impaler were all active at the same time in our area. Along with those new upgraded Brood Commanders that can spawn faster, deadlier mobs. No amount of strategems were enough, and the nerf to the Incendiary Breaker basically forcing you to bring a supply pack doesn't help either. I just said to hell with it and brought spear, eagle airstrike, Precision Strike, and Orbital Railcannon Strategems. But even then. Simply too much to deal with. The spawn rates need to be capped. There should never be more than 3 "Super Elite" enemies to deal with at the same time. I'm fine with them re-spawning in after we deal with them, but it's gotta be capped somehow because you can stay in one area the whole mission and have spawns be endless. It's ridiculous. Bile titan spit is still multiple hits, despite them saying they fixed getting insta-killed from it. Still happens.

[@Lem_Nade_Music]

yeah i am doing this too cause this is insane, but it will get better (i hope)

[@onerimeuse]

It's the maximum difficulty. It's supposed to be damn near impossible. The intended difficulty for the game is 6, with its 100% boost. Everything after that is another 50% harder through various metrics. 7 has been my sweet spot for ages. 8s and 9s when I really want to get sweaty. 10 is when I feel like hurting myself but remember I'm an adult (joking, but the point stands)

[@Lem_Nade_Music]

@@onerimeuse i like difficulty. I even play highfleet and hella modded barotrauma because i truly like desperate situations and last ditch efforts. The problem here is that on the bug front, you have ennemies that need to be dealt with immediately (or else you need to retreat) spawning constantly and at the same time too (that impaler/spore charger/ bile titan combo is horrifying). On the bot front, the problem is lessened by the fact that priority targets can usually be taken out from the front. The problem with bots is the gigantic amounts of stun because of every upgraded ennemy having rockets. (Also why the fuck does the rocket barrage tank have no weakpoint). And so these fundamental issues make it feel like ALL difficulty past 8 is artificial and unfun. (For the record, i did helldives before the spawn rates went weird, and i did about 15 super helldives on both fronts)

[@WasNiksIsNiksWordtNiks]

It’s in my top 5 games I have ever played as an adult. It’s got most everything what I like, playing/cooperating with people, lot’s of shootihrg all sorts of weapons, sci-fi, humor, theatrical explosions and sceneries etc… but, it’s all a lot of the same stuff and stuff can get repetitive. We neem some big fun updates are challenges or else it will be 1/4th of the players next year.

[@CC47-Rinzler]

As the victim of unprovoked toxic kicking behavior, this change is wonderful. For Democracy!!! 🤜💥🤛

[@IaeyanElyuex]

I've never been grief-kicked on DRG, but we did have a TKer. We put him down, buried him, then ignored him until he got bored and left.

[@Jasar25]

I have never been kicked so i never noticed the impact of this change but a positive change is always welcome.

[@TheSchlippsters]

remember if kick everyone before pick up, you have 4 completed missions towards the main objective besides 1, since its 4 separate players in 4 separate missions. so because of this update, we should be kicking everyone at the very last moment for max progression.

[@benbevan1442]

Always sticking around. Love this game, its one of my top Sci fi games alongside Starsector and Mechwarrior 5, but its the first team shooter i have played since LFD.

[@Titan_Main_D2]

I'm still diving. A few matches every few days, or more if friends hop on. Thankfully, I've never experienced end of match grief kicking, though I'm glad there's a countermeasure against it now. Let's hope they stick to that 60 day plan thing. The known issues list is the smallest it's ever been, and buffs in the past (those like the Walking Barrage's) give me hope for the future, for now.

[@light6532]

In what purpose for idiots to grief. Like whats the point to kick random players who just want to play a game? You either have no friends or no parent Or both

[@journeysadventurist]

I've griefed before, and I have to say from my experience personally it really does have to do with just being sad. Sometimes when you're feeling lonely, no friends to play with, or have pent up anger, you join a match in a game and just start fucking with people. I don't do this anymore by the way.

[@benjamintan6750]

Ill kick if that person team kills on purpose too much (i know you all find it funny but failing a mission is BAD) , like i want a mission to be successfull not waste 45min , also random players that play the game for fun might screw others too.

[@thefifthaceassociation]

OR its people gatekeeping on the way they think you should play the game. Getting kicked for not having the same cookie cutter load out as everyone else cuz its "META"

[@bouganhagain8131]

I love the game, im just crashing alot lately and i wish there was more progression, so im waiting for just that.

[@TylorBennett]

I've become bored unfortunately. But I'm excited to pick it back up this winter maybe and see what's new.

[@AWACS_Snowblind]

The first game, left in a horrible state of balance as it may have been, went strong on around 200 players playing a week. The galactic war system functioned without developer intervention back then, sure- but it thrived on it's own, just fine. Arrowhead will be able to adjust the difficulty of this game to match however many players are left. And I'll be there. Honestly, to say Helldivers 2 lost 80%~ of it's population doesn’t sound bad to me at all. I was there when all those kids called the game "mid" before it's release. I allow them to move on to games that keep their attention spans, while we who just play for fun keep having fun in a game that was made for it.

[@Novaisherestill]

To answer the question at the end, im still diving and just trying to enjoy the game Its mainly when you get that one squad that feels right, and then you never see them again It truly hurts me to see all the negativity surrounding this whole community. It's understandable but you know just have hope and keep diving

[@smallestgoober9399]

I love it when I break off to get the samples by myself, watch the other guys head straight to the main objectives like it's a speedrun, get clapped multiple times and they look at me who gathered half of the area's samples completely unscathed, like I'm the dummy.

[@effive7817]

I didnt know about this since I havent been kicked yet. Most games are fine but the ones that arent are usually soft-crashes that just boot me back to my ship with no prompt or explanation, or a hard crash ctd (which this has thankfully gone down for me). Good to know Im impervious to the ultimate host grief.

[@wyattloney2399]

tbh i don't really care to much but i still want some of the nerfs to be tweaked and yes most of the primaries do feel very underpowerd

[@bloodhawlings6425]

this change is great, never met them yet cuz still not get kicked recently. About the game, I'm still somehow having fun but it's become more and more struggling but I will still dive down to that hell anyway.

[@thewatcher5079]

I was doing all the side objectives during a suicide bug mission, got kicked, and still completed it. Sometimes the dead weight takes care of itself.

[@Samuel-jn2oc]

You can twist in in the other way and see that there is no downside to kick,which means you don't have to feel guilty,the samples will still be there for the one who got booted off

[@Average-Illinoisan]

I will continue to dive on, as I'm still having plenty of fun in this game, despite all of it's flaws. I've also had the luxury of never having dealt with griefers, so I didn't notice it. I really hope AH can finally get a grip and go back to making good changes to the game like this one.

[@TamTroll]

ohh, neat! Wonder how that applies to war score goal, with the same mission(s) being done multiple times tho.

[@highrider9168]

im loving the update! i just wish they would add more to the missions! or to the overall gameplay like a way for missions to link together without returning to the ship, like an option at extraction to drop at the next mission with resupplied everything. or even us being able to fly ourselves from location to location.

[@Seeeyog]

Great Idea indeed, would save alot of time for those who wants to continue!⚡✊🏻

[@Border_Hoppr]

Had this happen to me once, I was so confused on why I didn’t get sent back to the lobby

[@shadowbringer24]

I never knew you could get kicked mid game. I knew they could kick you afterwards back on the ship though.

[@cieloscuro88]

I finally started to dive again but only with my brother. I still haven't joined games because the grief kicking was a pain. Also, when hosting the lobby I always felt suspicious of friendly fire after experiencing enough traitors killing eachother and me for laughs..

[@daevings2961]

I never got to use this feature. Nor have I ever seen the effects of implementing this feature to the game. Because even if it does help people finish the mission when kicked, that means toxic players who got kicked nearing the end of the game now can just extract with the samples with 0 consequence. So I'm actually curious if this feature yields a net positive or net negative. Though, they did add a feature where if I got disconnected due to internet issues, I wouldn't be sent back on ship, which is neat, sometimes.

[@rapidragekade6901]

As a new player I have a confession, I felt the need to do this to someone who was otherwise was rogue my entire mission I was exploring the map on the opposite side of evac after completing the objective, not sure when he joined but he wasnt there for more than half the match and he starts heading towards evac Of course I start spamming wait and hold position because I got unlucky enough to die before he called for evac, so then I get reinforced across the map from all the samples I worked so hard to collect from around the map, I couldnt let it stand and somehow someway got back to the ship with 10 seconds to spare, I tried to kick him earlier when he was calling evac but when he did my situation became so hectic I ignored it until I got back to the ship, and promptly court marshalled him 😢 I feel bad and all but if he kept his stuff it was hardly what he deserved after instilling a new player with such SEETHING betrayal Would have kicked him sooner if I had the time but he basically forced me to speedrun, and I'm needing a ton of common samples so he made me REAL mad I also have a strong belief he did not contribute in any other way than calling evac, because no one else was completing objectives but me and 1 dude who was with me most the time

[@KnightRadiant-ip9qw]

I like this change quite a bit, even if it involves losing practically all help from squad members. It's understandable how disappointing being kicked was, but it is significantly better with this change. I admire the ingenuity of Arrowhead in coming up with this solution. I'm hoping that HD2 takes a turn for more vehicular gameplay. I'd love to close the distance to an objective more quickly with a buggy, or operate a tank in the heat of battle. Honestly, there could even be rotorcraft (or similar aircraft) for strafing runs or going up against potential new flying enemies. Can't wait to see if this is a direction that Arrowhead is considering.

[@613harbinger316]

I've only kicked once: These two guys joined my game, called in the shuttle and got on it when I was still across the map with plenty of time left for me to get there. Even if it was a mistake (getting on the shuttle unintentionally) they said nothing. Kicking isn't always griefing, sometimes it's absolutely deserved. That being said, this is an excellent change and a beautiful solution to a grating problem.

[@zeroundying]

I'm still having tons of fun, and so are many of the friends I've made along the way. I'm not concerned about the future, I'm just enjoying it now.

[@Deadleaf01]

This happened to me yesterday I was playing with a full squad and I split off from the team to go destroy the command bunkers while the others were dealing with POIs and secondary objectives and I guess since I was on the other side of the map getting the main objective done instead of dying to every gunship patrol The host kicked me but thankfully most things were already done just had two command bunkers left and I completed the mission.

[@eyaldl]

Great change. Unless u get a connection error or a crash and then 40 minutes go to waste. It happens to me multiple times especially after finishing a mission but before extraction

[@bolle1929]

Still diving and I’m excited for buffs and new content. But my mainproblem with the game is that new content is produced so slowly that it rather gets boring fast. The only thing that keeps me playing ist creating my own challenges, today I was determined to act as a mobile supply bot with supply backpack for an Speer user and keep small bugs away from him while he dealt with bigger bugs. Yesterday I was going all in with small arms fire, stallwart, MG/Gatling turret and orbital Gatling.

[@dr.kennethspeers8014]

I know for me, it's a hard choice when a friend gets on the game 10 minutes in or halfway through, and I can't decide to kick the random or finish and make the friend wait 30 minutes. When I realized they got no samples or anything, I stopped kicking, but this is a nice way to fix that problem.

[@Seeeyog]

Nice way indeed. Just pop a message before kicking and when it's safe to do so. Because as of now, they will lose the reinforcements as soon as you kick them and there's a bug that sometimes no reinforcements will be added when someone joins their lobby.

[@ayushsharma2252]

I will serve super earth until my last breath, I love being a helldiver, all of this with get fixed I know that.

[@picklewart5382]

The overbearing needless nerfs are an issue and really kick the wind out of my sails, but this game is still good and fun. Hopefully they live up to their word with taking it easy on the nerfs and everything should be fine in the future. The devs really do care about the game and have done quite a bit of good work in making Helldivers 2 a badarse game with players that typically have a sense of comradery. I can think of no other game I've played where 80% of the players are not acting like scumbag sheep and actually work as a team. It's wholesome and I dig it. Also the microtransactions are not invasive and trying to pound you in the rear constantly, yet.

[@NewYear7878]

300 hours in the game. The game is still fun but it used to be better on some points even with great new things lately. But the sad thing is that most of my Friends do not want to play the game in it's current state. I still have hope but I must take a big break too.

[@jasper1883]

"No One is Talking about this Change in Helldivers 2" There are no helldivers left

[@ohlorditsviper3099]

I’m regards to the last question I don’t have much hope at all. From my point of view the damage has been done, we’ll never get the majority of playerbase back unless decides RIGHT NOW that they are done with their stupid, bullheaded, rash decision making that got us here in the first place.

[@Curseofculture]

It didn’t happen too often but it was really infuriating when it did appreciate this change 👍

[@sirtheNDZ]

now after everything complete, the medal sample, weapon ship upgrade, I FEEL EMPTY .... but yeah probably back to burn the bugs

[@linustrain]

I absolutely love this game and can see myself putting a thousand hours into it when I'm not working, really excited to see what they do with it

[@blutadlerx]

Happend to me because of my shitty Internet connection..joined a session 30 seconds bevor the shuttle landed. Bugs everywhere, keep in mind this was on difficulty 10. Barely managed to grab all the samples and board the shuttle after dying twice haha but hey, for around 90 seconds that was a lot of samples!

[@andruuu4649]

Very positive about the future of the game. Dont expect me to play as i used to, after passing the 200 hours mark i have been playing other new games, games from my backlog or replaying some others. It is normal that a game player base decreases, players dont have to marry to any game. I surely hate how live services ignited this trend of calling dead game anything with less than 10k players, even offline games are called dead games at some point... In a game that started with that many players, seeing this decrease usually means that players had enough fun and are ready to leave, in other games, it means that they finished the game. We could make an argument of a multiplayer game being dead when at launch it only has players to fill 1 or 2 lobbies

[@TeabagParty]

I love this game, but I only play with ppl I know. I also genuinely love playing solo too so I'll be playing until the day the servers are shut down. I think people only started hating on it because it was popular.

[@user-rm3qj9mb2b]

I never got the kick message, but I had this happen before 3 times, mostly defending during the High Value mission.

[@Manavine]

honestly a new, improved form of griefing: Waste all reinforcements by tking and sayoring yourself, get the extraction chopper, tk the person you wanna kick and kick them.

[@RuffPlugger]

i accidentally dropped on a guy as he was throwing my respawn right into enemy hordes but fun fact you can report them for kicking you and they get longer delays on getting paired

[@Strutsss]

Cos there probably will be no one left to talk about it with how the game's going.

[@pian-0g445]

Definitely a nice change I experienced without knowing. Was a defend mission and was near completion so I could still deal with it and get all my rewards

[@daniel13789]

Huh, I might actually play with people again. Thanks for letting us know.

[@mrsnow3268]

Ohh, so getting migrated to my own copy of the match is what's been happening to me a few times in the last few days. I've just been playing for a few weeks, but to get more comfortable at surviving, I've been trying to cautiously strike it out alone to gather Samples and destroy Outposts. Ironically, those are not the times this feature has happened, because I would've just thought that everyone naturally quit for the day. It's been mostly happening when I rejoin the group in the middle of a bad situation. Maybe they're pissed that I wasn't there the whole time, but I'd notice them all "leave" (me being kicked) after the situation was resolved. I'd then notice, panic over having no backup, and rush to finish the mission. However, I LOVE this feature, as I haven't and won't need to suffer the pain of instantly losing ~30 mins of playing due to a petty host. It'll suck if I suddenly find myself alone as I try to learn higher difficulties, as I'll have to fight hard to survive, but it's a much better chance to keep the progress I'vd earned.

[@Seeeyog]

Exactly! Plus when you find yourself alone, put up an SOS as now you'll be the host. Who knows someone will join to help!🫡

[@mrsnow3268]

@@Seeeyog Good point! I'll try to switch my privacy to "Public" and use the SOS beacon next time I'm in those situations.

[@pablocuixeres830]

Oh, i thought this was a bug. Still kinda think it is, cause it happened to me 2 times in 2 days for no reason, but before I got kicked maybe 3 or 4 times (and I'm level 108)

[@clarencezer]

That is great that you don't get sent back to ship with nothing in hand after spending the time in the mission! I find myself only returning to play when there are new warbonds or content mostly, after that I only queue in the lower difficulties as it gets stressful to continuously play the difficulty 9 and above. The lower difficulties allow me to have fun with most non meta loadouts. I really hope the weapon modifications return from Helldivers 1 and maybe a deeper customization for weapons and gear possibly. Off topic but one of the Killing Floor 3 videos showed weapons getting customizations compared to it's predecessor KF2, if that level of customization could come into Helldivers 2 to truly kit out our weapons and loadouts would awesome. I think just having magazine increase to all weapons across the board too would help reduce a bit of stress on the ammo economy management, I find engagements on high difficulties where all your magazines are gone in 1 or 2 fights just tedious especially when someone calls down the resupply far away from you. Would be cool if there was an upgrade where you have your own personal supply pod with lesser restock compared to the team resupply.

[@williamwang7439]

Great, I am so glad that the kicked team killing troll still get their fair share of samples, nice work AH.

[@aaronm4562]

I’m having fun, I just wish more people communicated during the game. Helps with the whole “coop” thing, and it ain’t much of a coop game without some coop 👍