no one understands parrying in hollow knight

I hope you enjoy the video :D

[@fireb0rn]

Nice work on the video! Anyone curious about this would be best off asking a community TASser, but here's my understanding of parries: - Parries happen when the player's nail hitbox and an enemy "nail" hitbox overlap. - When a parry occurs, the game temporarily drops its timescale to 0 (freeze frames) and the player gains invincibility frames while the game is frozen. This means parries are a time loss in speedruns, unless they are for a skip or are required to survive. - If an enemy nail hitbox also overlaps with the player hitbox, the player nail hitbox must come out on the same physics frame as the enemy nail hitbox. Otherwise, the player gets hit instead of parrying. This means parrying attacks that would immediately hit the player are physics frame perfect. - This frame perfect parry timing in my experience appears to be slightly inconsistent, which might be due to the desync between when physics frames are calculated and when graphical frames are rendered (you might have heard of this as tft, or time minus frame time). - If an enemy nail hitbox doesn't overlap with a player's hitbox, then the player's persistent nail swing hitbox (basically, nail slashes stay out for a bit) makes parries a bit easier and more consistent. We use parries like this to perform the True Ending shade skip, parrying the shade's nail slash. But in boss fights, it's generally better to just dodge the attacks rather than staying in harm's way and risk missing the parry. In short, I think parries were just added as something cool that could sometimes happen, or as a last ditch effort when you can't get out of the way of an attack. Kind of adds to the feeling that the fights are a "duel", especially in those fights you mentioned in the video.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

.......... I have no idea what you of all people are doing here but I am genuinely thankful you even spared a microbe of your time to comment on my video and giving your insight and opinion on the subject I am generally grateful that you enjoyed the video. Thank you so much🙏🙏🙏

[@FFmax33]

@@theunknowngamer1871 a monochrome of time...

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@FFmax33 you right my bad Edit : error corrected

[@Brimmsune]

​@@theunknowngamer1871 microbe W

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Brimmsune indeed

[@BlueSR]

The reason us speedrunners don’t use parries is a mix of risk aversion, and optimisation. The parry creates a freezeframe, that makes it significantly slower to use rather than positioning in a way where it’s not necessary and we’re still able to attack at optimal speed. I don’t think the parry is a very deliberately designed mechanic in hollow knight, and neither do I think the fights you mentioned were very necessarily deliberately designed around the mechanic; some fights like Sly or Pure Vessel incidentally do play into that playstyle. Pure vessel and sealed vessel, since they have a parry of their own, maybe. I think it’s a matter of getting the game-feel right. When your slashes appear at the same time team cherry must have thought it felt weird and aanted to add some ooph and an interaction on that. As for your thoughts on mutliple damage perfect parries, that is not deliberately designed, and is instead a quirk of how this game gives bosses freeze frames upon taking damage to prevent the nail dealing damage every frame its hitbox overlaps with the enemy. This is the same reason fireballs can double hit- the parry just causes the freezeframe to prolong the hitbox staying long enough to outlast the s the enemy takes. That’s also why it sometimes clinks twice. That being said i think it’s interesting to explore as an alternative playstyle! Cool vid :3

[@BlueSR]

On that note i think you should downlod the debug mod and use the healthbars to explore how that multiple damage stuff actuslly occurs. Interesting stuff!

[@theunknowngamer1871]

​​@@BlueSR I am going to be entirely honest I have no idea how you find my microscopic channel but I really appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment voice your opinions and thoughts on the matter and you provide us some very useful insight for me to better understand parrying as a whole I will apply said insight in my fully comprehensive parry explanation video once I get around to making that. Once again thank you very much :D Edit : I am a console player so I am not able to use such tools unfortunately :P

[@IdkDiegoiguess]

i find it so crazy how much blue is involved in the community to the point of leaving such insights in smaller videos like these ones. respect!

[@theunknowngamer1871]

​@@IdkDiegoiguessAnd that insight will definitely help me when I make my full-blown guide on parrying in this game

[@IdkDiegoiguess]

@@theunknowngamer1871 absolutely man!

[@lemone630]

All I need to know is that the clink gives me dopamine and I like it.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

It really does 😌

[@Mooonwithanextrao]

You'd love ultrakill

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Mooonwithanextrao I KNOW I would now if only I had a good enough PC 😔

[@lemone630]

@@Mooonwithanextrao I already do.

[@scythemare9471]

The clink is my phone notification sound :)

[@zera-zero]

someone should make a mod dedicated for the parry mechanic. Parry charms, a parry nail art, more parry-centric bosses. I think it'd be cool and fun.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

That would be sick honestly

[@Adwam.]

Isn't PV fought with a guaranteed parry? Or is it only me?

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Adwam. I will admit I am not exactly sure what you mean by guaranteed Parry but because of the nature of his fight you are more than likely going to get at least one Parry during the fight

[@TheNameCxees]

​@@Adwam. Not just PV, but only the enemy who has "Sharp" shaped attack you could parry them, usually the enemies those using Nails (Sly, W. Knights, B. Vessel) or claws (Mawlek, Traitor lord)

[@zakstorm9191]

Hollow knight shadows die twice

[@humanoid_human72]

I accidentally found out about this in the NKG fight and it became part of my strategy to win and made me really enjoy that fight, Im excited to try this out elsewhere!

[@theunknowngamer1871]

pretty much the same story with me! and I definitely encourage you to try parrying other bosses as it can give you a brand new unique way to fight the bosses in the game you never knew were possible!

[@silvncr]

insert "community without silksong" joke here

[@theunknowngamer1871]

We REALLY need it......

[@silvncr]

@@theunknowngamer1871 you in particular, lol

[@SomeVRKid]

​@@silvncrFireb0rn needs it more

[@theunknowngamer1871]

​@@SomeVRKidI swear to God If he leaves a comment on this video let alone react to it I am going to implode on the spot

[@Astrohavenn]

Community without silksong joke

[@sebastianzarek7056]

Alternative title: A guy overanalyzing a system devs added just to add depth in an otherwise clunky moment for 23 minutes straight.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

You right

[@Ccmaci]

I don’t think there’s any bosses in HK where parrying is more beneficial than jumping out the way, considering the risk. Ironically however, parrying for i-frames is VERY beneficial against Pale Court’s modded boss, Mystic Ze’mer, when she does a series of floor attack that are super hard to jump away from. Same for infected PVP tag, where you can avoid being infected by parrying. I’ll admit when I used these strats, I didn’t realize it was a base game function, I thought the i-frames were modded into the game.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Ain't no way I just got another massive Hollow Knight KZbinr in my comment section..... Either way thank you for even taking the time to comment on my microscopic channel I really liked your latest video by the way :D

[@MotivatedMunchkin-p9q]

I actually discovered this by accident during the nail master fights. Whenever they would do that attack where they slashed down I would parry it. Fun as heck

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@MotivatedMunchkin-p9q it is super satisfying

[@Monalemonly]

Very interesting, i always felt like i dont fully understand this mechanic

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I am glad you liked the video :)

[@Acefdiamonds]

The parry makes funny clank sound

[@theunknowngamer1871]

So true

[@rankamoeba4979]

The reason of why this video will blow up It's because it stands out from the rest. No one talks about this but everyone knows a lil bit about it so seeing someone explaining it will make it stand out Edit: The thumbnail has popular youtubers of the community and the title encourages you to watch it, like "I KnOw HoW PaRRyiNG wOrks" when we really don't 😞

[@theunknowngamer1871]

When you put it like that the reason why it is getting so much traction all of a sudden makes sense...... It is still terrifying however at least I understand why it is terrifying

[@a_puntato29]

the title does not encourage me to watch it

[@psychicchicken5263]

@@a_puntato29 I don't see how it's rude nvm I just saw the thumbnail again, yeah I can kind of see where you're coming from lol

[@animalxing8697]

​@@a_puntato29but you're here

[@a_puntato29]

@@animalxing8697 yeah but I didn't watch it lol, I was just curious if the comments seemed positive or negative

[@urtoryu_dy_althraidn]

I almost never use parries intentionally, with the exception of a couple very select attacks (Pure Vessel's basic combo for example is one of the few moves I go for a parry, since it's odly easy to do), but I understand the mechanic well enough to sometimes use it as a crutch when really desperate, as well as to captalize on it whenever it happens accidentally (which is by far the most common case).

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yep! Like I said in some situations it can even be used as a recovery tool after you take damage to avoid having to use resources such as shade cloak and descending dark

[@chimitrash]

As someone who wants to get back into hk I thank you

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Glad I could help :)

[@YoliverBroliver]

Thought I should mention, theres a small youtuber called isnotretro who i watched do a blind plahthrough pretty recently and he actually managed to figure out the parry and use it pretty well in his grimm fight. Blind.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Cool! I might look him up after this

[@theatheistbear3117]

I actually managed to perfect parry Hornet Sentinel during my fights against her, so it’s definitely not something added just for the update bosses.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Good to know! I will have to practice that when I have time

[@IndigenousSock]

I’m usually someone who uses the parry mechanics in games like crazy, I’ve even incorporated a parry Strat for a boss challenge centred around pure vessel(Itemless Pogoless) for bosses like sly and pure vessel I can parry them consistently and easily, I’ve heard of the concept of a perfect parry before, but it wasn’t quite the same as what you described. I have tons of clips of me parrying bosses, but the only double hits I seem to see is with sly, specifically his dash slash(which you can parry consistently) and his great slash, but with pure vessel I’ve done all kinds of parries, probably hundreds of times with parry Strat with pure vessel I mentioned. I never seem to double hit that tho, either bcs I have the basic parry timing down so well, or bcs it might not be possible with the way I do it. I’d definitely want to know more abt the parry system, mainly frame data, so I can compare the difficulty of it with other games, but this perfect parry raises more questions for me, the same kind when I first heard about it a long while back. I’ll have to see more, esp with NKG, I also have plenty of clips of parries on other bosses, maybe if you have the time, I’d like to see from your judgement, whether I hit any perfect parries or not. My discord is Apelincoln4744 if you’d be interested in that, I look forward to learning more about the hk parry, but all I can say about it now is that I’m proficient at it. Edit, I actually got perfect parries on sly’s swings so yeah it’s works(by perfect I mean the double sound so idrk)

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Honestly I might hit you up in the future

[@TheNameCxees]

I figured out parry mechanic once i fought NKG at his Plunge attack. Before i found out that attack can be parried i used to dash or ddark to avoid getting hit. And i addicted to parry mechanic since then and i finally beat PV and NKG in radiant diff cuz of Parries that i learned

[@panchoxxlocoxx9638]

Honestly I don't blame the community for not caring for the parry mechanic as it is not easy to pull off and it doesn't offer much of a reward.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yeah I cannot say I blame the community either It is still fun for me though

[@Diddygriddy666]

Great Video and the In-depth research in this is amazing, this video will definitely blow up

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Much appreciated

[@sauceman-dv3lf]

Parrying is when you hit certain attacks in the right moment, it gives you a couple of i frames and slows the game down a second, many know about it its just that no one bothers to talk about it

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yep hence why I made this video

[@finalplot8773]

This video is exactly what I needed, finally someone shows off this mechanic and its uses!

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@finalplot8773 I am glad I could be of help and thankful you enjoyed the video :D

[@finalplot8773]

@@theunknowngamer1871 And thank *you* for your time and effort :D

[@Argumentium]

I think the parry is genuinely one of the coolest mechanics in the game. The strategy I used to beat the Pure Vessel for the first time (and in the Pantheons) involves abusing the parry a ton to avoid the Pure Vessel's 3-hit nail combo, since that is the most consistent way I found to avoid the the double-mask damage thanks to how stupidly large the hit boxes from that attack are. It's simply jumping towards the Pure Vessel and down-slashing right as PV starts the combo. It's also sometimes useful for when you accidentally trip off the Pure Vessel's own parry, though that's a lot harder to parry thanks to coming out a lot faster.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yep it is super satisfying

[@thedarethnator2216]

Does anyone in their early teens play holllow knight on Xbox because I have like no friends

[@aceesteban2831]

Use to

[@aceesteban2831]

Now I’m in college

[@Oncomishere]

No shit i can heavily relate to this In my mid teen and i have yet to find someone irl who have played the same game as me :/

[@NUttLEN0LItE]

Nope, I play on switch

[@Pererogatist]

Yes but on switch

[@Bukem453]

Thats insane thank you for teaching me

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Glad I could help :)

[@togeluga_the_cat]

never played the game or own it but got invested in the video never knew about the mechanic in the game and im suprised to see a video about something that to me never existed excellent work on the video mate

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@togeluga_the_cat thank you for watching the video despite having no innate connection to the game....... On an unrelated note have you considered joining the cult of Hollow Knight? It is a really good game you should buy it 🔫 :D

[@potatogamerman]

Hollow: Knights Die Twice

[@theunknowngamer1871]

The parry mechanic in hollow Knight is really similar to sekiro isn't it

[@potatogamerman]

@@theunknowngamer1871 fr

[@whatthewhatthe9117]

I’d say it’s more similar to MGRR where the parry is linked to the light attack button (attack+forward)

[@MillyOldhag]

My face when I saw hollow knight turning into sekiro. LOVE IT

[@theunknowngamer1871]

One of the best feelings in the game

[@amonster_02]

underrated vid bro the whole community should see this!

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Honestly that is what I am afraid of.......

[@cuberomer]

Cool video! I might go for these in future Low% Godhome speedruns. You should know, I once got a triple parry on that one Nightmare King Grimm attack, I suspect it has something to do with the timing of the swing when compared to the bosses attack. The triple parry is probably really precise, maybe even frame perfect. It also might not even be possible to hit all three times, possibly making it completely useless. Really looking forward to seeing what you figure out about this.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Really? Well looks like I have some more research to do

[@jennyjin1617]

Bro got a perfected perfect parry

[@flamethrowermonkey987]

This is epic! I remember doing this once with NKG where I triple-parried his slash without shadow dashing (I had wasted it by trying to dodge through him too soon and he backstepped) and took no damage even though he went straight through me; I'm still convinced it's the greatest thing I've done in Hollow Knight lol

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I am glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@userinker]

im more of a spells person, but the fact that you are able to use parring as a regular tool its so fucking impressive, i never thought about the mechanic in that way, it only shows how invested you are in the game and at least to me thats genuinely impressive. looking foward for the next videos! who knows maybe i'll try it out

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Thank you very much and I am glad you enjoyed the video In terms of the next video on the topic I think it will be in relation to nightmare King Grimm specifically

[@mypaul_youcool]

You can parry the Shoe pen, YOU CAN PARRY A PEN

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@mypaul_youcool what do you mean by this? Any and all knowledge I can I can get relation to Parrying in this game is considered useful

[@Blue14113]

​@@theunknowngamer1871 i assume he was talking about parrying Sheo's paintbrush? Idk tho

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Blue14113 I know you can parry sheo's slash attacks including his great slash however I do not know what they mean by "pen" The only thing I can think of is that one thrust attack he has although I am not very sure how you would go about parrying that

[@Blue14113]

​@@theunknowngamer1871 yeah i assumed he meant just the paintbrush in general when he said pen. I think he's surprised the game allows to parry a paintbrush, at least that's what i understood from the comment.

[@mypaul_youcool]

@@theunknowngamer1871 me dont american, me dumb

[@DarkSpirit64]

For a video about parrying, you never explained how it works, only the types, for future guides, you should explain the invulnerability times, how to trigger, the activation time window, etc. It's more obvious, of course, but I think it's essential on a guide to parrying

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yep that is most definitely the plan for the future as I mentioned in the video I am going to make a comprehensive guide on everything encompassing Parrying included the iFrames how parrying interacts with certain charms etc this video is more bringing up the fact that no one has really talked about paying to any capacity whatsoever so I wanted to bring attention to it. Regardless I really do appreciate the criticism and will apply it to future videos 👍

[@Alexander-gm9ml]

You most likely won't see this comment, but I saw this video and honestly, I didn't even know this channel existed, but I am now subscribed and I am looking forward to seeing more content from you. Thank you for making my day better.🙂

[@Alexander-gm9ml]

As a side note, you might notice I barely even watched the video, and that's because I watched this on my TV not signed in, and couldn't comment from there.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

This is probably the sweetest comment I have seen all day thank you truly and I am glad you enjoyed the video :D

[@theunknowngamer1871]

​@@Alexander-gm9mlno problem lol

[@DeusVultGames]

I actually wear sharp shadow, fragile strength, and mark of pride, and quickslash a lot in boss fights, and In some fights, like hive knight or troupe master grimm, i will intentionally go for the parry-sharpshadow combo. In grimm it helps a lot because I can jump when he appears on the ground, dash and strike if it's the fireballs, and if it's the slash i parry in the air, and be safe from damage either way

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I am glad to see I am not the only Sharp shadow enjoyer

[@jmh8817]

Very cool, looking forward to the rest of this series.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Thanks :D

[@CamoLoTiProd]

Parry is an interesting thing to play with. It’s an amazing quirk that is unlike any other game I’ve even seen, let alone played. The parry, as you’ll probably say (this is late at night and I’m just starting the video when writing this), is obviously an interaction between the hit boxes of the knight’s sword and (usually) another enemy’s sword or claw in some cases. It’s partially intentional, partially not. Obviously the freeze frames and the sound effects are, since they happen anytime the parry happens and are consistent, but some of the interactions with certain bosses are not, much like the double or triple hit for the fireball that bluesr (also, love you dude, you’re awesome 🤩 in this community) mentioned. Either way, I’m tired so I’ll stop the explanation there since, obviously, you’re going to explain the parry in a scientific way… hopefully 😝

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I hope I explained things well enough :P

[@rfurthegamer3412]

I just assumed that you hit an enemies attack, and you gain slight invincibility frames, and I mean slight, lots of the time I would still take damage

[@rfurthegamer3412]

Helps mainly with the watcher knights for me, and that one oro and mato attack

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Your positioning and Placement is a big contributing factor for parrying and better utilities iFrames so keep that in mind

[@theunknowngamer1871]

​@@rfurthegamer3412yep it helps a lot with watcher knights as well as oro and mato

[@matheuscabral9618]

blue commented? You’re the known gamer now

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@matheuscabral9618 dear God.........

[@mozvi1436]

Funnily enough I think the way I learned about parries was against Mawlek in the first hour of my playtime. His slashes were kinda hard to dodge, and simply by slashing I triggered lots of them. I still consider parries to be mostly for style points, but with limited movement abilities it proved to be pretty useful :) Even then, as fireb0rn stated, and the way I understand it as well, if the attack hitbox overlaps with your hurtbox, the timing is way tighter, and makes defensive parrying overall less viable for most players. Especially on my potato pc which introduced lag and delay into the equation. Nice video (and skillz) btw ;)

[@francisb.9847]

Trying to beat the pantheons alongside my friends, I was the only one to attempt parrying. I mainly went for it vs. Pure vessel and Sly, but it's a useful crutch when I know I won't be able to dodge. The different types of parries will breathe new life into the Sly fight as I grinded him while parrying

[@theunknowngamer1871]

It does definitely help with sly a lot and other bosses as well

[@BumblingBee167]

Would love to see more vids from this channel!

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Thank you very much for the compliment!

[@GGGamesXDlol]

Can't wait for your vid on silksong's parry mechanic

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I cannot wait either :)

[@narwhal16384]

I know, right! I parry pv and nkg SOO much and it makes the fights 10x easier. When my friends see me play, they just think I’m overhyping it. It’s legitimately one of the best abilities you have.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@narwhal16384 anytime the game gives you the ability to nullify one of the bosses attacks via parrying it is always a good thing in my book

[@eddiel1103]

A QUICK ADDENDUM HERE

[@eddiel1103]

W video. Sound level was a jump scare tho lol

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yeah I am still trying to figure out the sweet spot for the videos sorry lol

[@luna7157]

Skurry goes for parries fairly often, just for kicks.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

It is fun to do 😌

[@slugintub1851]

I reaaally wish they expanded upon this. Parrying in other games makes for thruly adrenaline filled gameplay but it's hard to get used to (to me atleast). Having parrying be the same button as attack helps immensely. Prayin for silksong to go further with parrying 🙏🙏

[@slugintub1851]

Truly* mfw

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@slugintub1851 You and me both! i really hope they expand on parrying more in silk song

[@Pererogatist]

Drink every time they say period

[@PEIIIKA]

More than enough to stay hydrated :3

[@PerogiTime]

@@PEIIIKA LETS GO WATER!!!!!!!!

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Damn.... Did I really say it that often?

[@Pererogatist]

@@theunknowngamer1871 maybe...

[@jonathassousa5653]

I only do parry purposely is in the Pure Vessel but it was never a perfect parry

[@theunknowngamer1871]

It depends on your positioning and which part of his slash attack you are parrying however it is possible although incredibly difficult

[@Cotton_was_taken]

there's also a double parry, where you can parry the same slash twice with two separate nail swings. i've done it by accident on sly with quick slash and i'm not sure if it is a type of parry in and of itself, but it is interesting

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I have theorized that this was possible but now I definitely have to look into it more

[@Cotton_was_taken]

@@theunknowngamer1871 you'd have to be crazy precise tho. you can't perfect parry or the slowed frames stop you from hitting a second time, you'd have to very nearly almost perfect parry and then swing again

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Cotton_was_taken is that a challenge?

[@Cotton_was_taken]

@@theunknowngamer1871 why yes, of course

[@YouWillNeverKnowMan]

This could have been a 5-minute video.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I am glad you at least watch some of it though :)

[@gryzel_]

Dunno how but this got into my recommandations and I gotta say it's been a really interesting watch. I very much enjoyed this video, hope you'll do more on the topic or on hollow knight in general :)

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@gryzel_ I am glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the accolades And yes I plan on doing a lot more hollow knight videos in the future especially regards to parrying

[@peterkujawski1370]

I hope they expand it for silksong it is a cool mechanic plus “tink”

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Indeed I really hope they bring it back and expand upon it and silk song..... And yes "Tink"

[@coloringsauce9514]

u can parry the godtamer when they jump and attack and i think u can parry hornets parry attack ? but ik u can parry the hk and pvs attack as well as the hk swipe attacks. (some enemies too but they’re irrelevant here lolol)

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I was going to mention God tamer however I could not find a good place to fit them into the video lol Edit : yes you can Parry hornet 2 however like I said I could not find a place to fit that into the video

[@coloringsauce9514]

@@theunknowngamer1871i forgot abt soul warrior and hive knight i am in contact with a fellow parry connoisseur lolol hopefully he’ll help (have u double checked perfect parries hits them twice?) lolol

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@coloringsauce9514 oh yeah I know you can parry them as well lol however for the same reasons I did not bring up hornet or god tamer I could not find a good place to fit them in the video and pure vessel and grim were just better examples to demonstrate what I was referring to In the video

[@OnCoated]

Sitting tight till this blows up

[@theunknowngamer1871]

It seems to be on the verge of doing so......

[@hanauzaki6264]

Dont need a parry when u got the shadow cloak

[@theunknowngamer1871]

True however I like parrying

[@gengar_animations]

I think part of the reason why parries aren’t really well documented is because the two types of skilled players, speedrunners and challenge runners, have reasons why parries aren’t useful. Parries are a time loss for speedrunners due to the freeze frames, and challenge runners would never go out of their way to do such a precise technique for minimal reward. Like personally I would never go for a pure vessel parry right at the end of an r5 run instead of just pogoing.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yeah it is understandable I like to use them when I play but I definitely get why speedrunners and challengerunners do not

[@Tubeytime]

10:30 that doesn't look like it "stopped the attack", broken vessel just kept going? NKG also seemed to keep going in the following clip? 19:12 the child has a damage cap in that phase. So even though you got "6 hits" you only did the equivalent of ~2 nail hits It feels like there is only 1 kind of parry and the different interactions are just the result of different hitbox sizes, attack durations etc.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Tubeytime I put a correction in the video right before I showed those clips talking about how for It seems to work off a form of tiering system in relation to how powerful the boss is hence why some bosses it seemingly (emphasis on seemingly) stops them and for others it slows them down. Also I did not know about the damage cap on the child so thanks for that bit of information Edit : I suppose I can understand how you feel about there being only one Parry however those different interactions you mentioned at least to me are different enough to at the very least call them variations of the same thing. For example you can have two cars that are both painted red however there are different vehicles they may serve the same purpose however there are different enough to at the very least be classified as somewhat distinct entities

[@scarleut6982]

I like the noise and thats all I need to know

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@scarleut6982 It truly is satisfying

[@CoolGuy-dy3kq]

is this how little content we have left for hollow knight

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@CoolGuy-dy3kq yep....... But to be fair I think a video like this would have been made at some point in time considering how I think everyone in the community knows about parrying but does not understand it

[@CoolGuy-dy3kq]

@@theunknowngamer1871 the video is so in depth I appreciate the work

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@CoolGuy-dy3kq no problem :) I had fun making it :D

[@Sir.Alonne]

Haven't watched the video yet but I've messed around with parries a lot so I'm gonna type out my theory of how they work then see if I'm right. I'll probably still get it wrong, the parry in this game is incomprehensible but here goes... To successfully I frame using a parry the players nail hitbox must overlap with an enemy slash hitbox before the slash hits the player hurtbox. If you hit the parry the same frame the attack hits you you'll still get the sound effect but no I-frames. This makes attacks like the great husk guard double slash functionality impossible to I-frame with a parry because they stand completely still. You can still parry out of range then walk into the hitbox but what's the point you've basically already spaced the attack. The attack that demonstrates this theory the best is the second slash of Oro and Mato's two hit combo and their plunging slash (it's the same animation). It has two clearly defined hitboxes, the first is above the shoulder where the nail has begun to move forward but the hitbox only covers a small area and the second covers a much larger area In front of them. If you stand still in front of them it doesn't matter how good your timing is, you'll never be able to parry this attack because the second hibox will hit you at the same time as you get the parry but if you jump and parry the first hitbox above the shoulder the parry is pretty easy because you initiate your I frames before the attack comes anywhere near you. Other easy attacks to parry are the god tamers jump slash because it's very similar to the Oro/mato attack but she's much smaller so you don't need to jump to hit the first hitbox and NKG's slash because the attack has so much forward momentum that you can parry it outside of his range and your I-frames will last long enough that he'll pass straight through you before you can take contact damage.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Sir.Alonne You are not too far off with your estimate however there are a lot of attacks that certain bosses have that you can literally just stand there and there is nothing they can do to you Grimm is an example of this as well as the nail master's to some extent although although it is dependent on your positioning as depending on where you parry the attack you can either stand there or walk straight through their hurt box

[@Sir.Alonne]

@@theunknowngamer1871 yeah I have a lot of observations that made this theory dubious at best but it was the only thing I could think of that would explain some seemingly unparriable attacks. But then again my reaction speed is awful so it could be a skill issue. Side note, Sly and Oro's dash slashes are both parriable, apparently you can even parry Oro's with spells and crystal dash but I've never pulled it off and they might have patched it.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Sir.Alonne Good to know I will most definitely be trying to experiment with this

[@Sir.Alonne]

@@theunknowngamer1871 damn you for convincing me to reinstall this game.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Sir.Alonne Gooooooood join us on The void side we have Parrys >:)

[@shan_2933]

Very interesting video but i dont think the nailmasters are deliberately designed to be parried. As blue said, i also think its just a byproduct of how the game is made. It is really cool that team cherry made different effects for the different parry timings tho. Imo if the parry mechanic was international , then a perfect parry would make the boss stop moving towards u, or otherwise they get really jank. Lastly i think if parry is something team cherry wanted people to learn, they would have made a tutorial boss for that mechanic in the starting areas. But even if it's just a byproduct, this could be a new playstyle (and a new reason for me to boot up the game after 400 hours 🤣). Some new challenge runs with only parrying would be fun too.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yeah I can understand why a lot of people say that they do not think the nail Masters were deliberately designed to be parry I suppose that is more of my personal opinion but it definitely is an interesting byproduct of the Parry system regardless

[@Boyaca77]

This is a great video, I learned so much

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Boyaca77 I am glad you liked it :D

[@lokiTAShk]

Great video! It would be very fun to explore parrying with TAS and debug mod. Btw I think Grimm doesn't take damage when it turns into a bat so it's not worth it to use spells then

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@lokiTAShk yeah I found out that there was a damaged cup on it so even though I hit him six times with the abyss shriek it did the equivalent to nail swings

[@sentientwaffle535]

Liked and subscribed for this, you’ve found some interesting stuff!

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@sentientwaffle535 thank you very much :D

[@Legend_kira]

Blue commenting in small vids is crazy ngl

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Legend_kira I know💀

[@armandowillem]

My parries always feel like accidents. I played HK for years now and am one of those "face tank dps players", with strategic shade cloaking mixed in.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@armandowillem it is the objectively faster/better way to beat Boss so I do not blame you lol

[@armandowillem]

@@theunknowngamer1871 Don't get me wrong, props to you and whomever else figured out the parry system down to a science or as close as you could. It's kinda like my first NKG win. Took me four hours to do. Had to learn the moves and the counters, bouncing on Grims head during his lunges, using the red flame pillars to punish and stagger step, and of course heal when he staggers (bat swarms), down to the time and distances of his flame bats to get in between the point of his projectiles and land 2 to 3 hits after shade cloaking the second low one with quick nail/mark of pride (goes through the flame wall).

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@armandowillem thanks for the compliment :)

[@armandowillem]

@@theunknowngamer1871 Know a dedicated HK player when I see one and you just randomly popped up on my feed. Been holding out hope for Silksong news and my Algorithm is full of indie game stuff so apparently big bro youtube said "Here you CAN parry in HK. Watch this." Lol. Keep up the good work.

[@armandowillem]

@@theunknowngamer1871 No worries. Always down to support the HK community. Been hard coping for Silksong news and my feeds full of indie game stuff. You happened to pop up. I was like "Huh parrying in HK? Like on command at will? I watch this." Lol.

[@ahmedamine6674]

Give us silksong 🥲

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Please team Cherry😭

[@luccadeahl5340]

kyool

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Indeed :)

[@Unknown_Gamer_NL]

I legit had to do a double take when I saw your username

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Twins?

[@Unknown_Gamer_NL]

Perhaps... some unknown force made me find you

[@Laezar1]

Parry would work a lot better in hollow knight if it didn't have contact damage, but because bosses damage you just by existing in your vicinity it ends up being a very unrewarding maneuver compared to the inherent risk since parrying in itself doesn't guarantee avoiding damage you need both timing and spacing to be right and if you can play consistently at that level of precision you can probably avoid all the attacks of the boss already and don't need to learn to parry their attacks to beat them. I don't think hollow knight would be a better game if it was more parry centric though so it might be for the best that the mechanic isn't more fleshed out

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yeah that is an understandable perspective to have on parrying in this game I personally like to use it and my gameplay And while it does not make you wholly invincible it does give you enough s to be able to move through bosses after parrying them without taking damage not overtly beneficial especially depending on your playstyle but for me I like it

[@franciscofernandezmedrano9613]

😢 welp I was expecting for a guide on how to parry, great video though

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Thanks :D and do not worry the next video I make will probably be a tutorial on how to parry nightmare King Grimm

[@QYXP]

I don't agree, parrying is known but is inefficient as it has freeze frames, you can see it's a well known mechanic in Fireborns speedrunner vs hunter where it is utilised extensively. It just isn't worth utilising the mechanic in normal play.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Yeah I can understand that perspective I would still argue otherwise as I mentioned in the video after looking for quite some time for videos talking about Parrys no one really has talked about them in a video essay format. And in terms of people understanding it it would be similar to people knowing about cars but not being able to drive them. sure they can get an idea of how to drive but there are some specifics that would prevent them from properly being able to drive

[@Yunahsky]

Could you analyze my gambling patterns? I think there is a big win coming soon, but I need some insurance.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I am assuming that you are saying this because of me over analyzing the Parry in this game? Lol

[@Yunahsky]

​@@theunknowngamer187199% of gamblers quit before they hit big. I am the 1%. I can feel a massive win coming my way.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

​@@YunahskyBest of luck I suppose

[@Yunahsky]

@@theunknowngamer1871 YESS

[@xvgreen8586]

bro never gets to the point

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I knew I should have used a script...😔

[@neerkum5428]

Wow it's just sekiro but 2d

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Ironically yes lol XD

[@jennyjin1617]

I feel like you didn’t really go over how defensive parries differ from regular parries. You started talking about Pure Vessel and just said that defensive parries were best suited for them. It seems to me that a defensive parry is purely for defence (giggity) and is used solely for i-frames, and might give more I-frames compared to a regular one but I’m not sure…

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@jennyjin1617 If us to clarify it really quickly perfect defensive parries are used for just that defense they are way too allow you to get out of sticky situations without expending resources such as Shade cloak or descending dark they can be used on a wide variety of bosses obviously however there are certain bosses that they are particularly effective against Boss is such as pure vessel hollow night and nail sage sly although that is more due to the fact that his nails much longer than yours and therefore he can hit you from further away

[@jennyjin1617]

@@theunknowngamer1871 You cooked, but is it done in any way different than a regular parry? Or is its name different due to its usage?

[@jackkovacs1756]

I fucking love hollow knight

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@jackkovacs1756 as do I 😌

[@nathanrennick146]

You are very correct

[@Iamverykarpy]

ngl as someone who barely understands anything about parrying, after watching this video i can confidently say if i was still playing this game i would continue to play the game without parrying because i don't exactly see the benefit or the risk/reward being in your favor versus the normal punishes i get, also maybe you just didn't explain thoroughly enough but i dont really see the reason why you named so many different parry types they all seemed to just do the same thing with maybe some minor differences, made the video kinda more confusing

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Completely understandable I like using Parrys to spice up my gameplay but I can definitely see why you would opt to not use it

[@HIhollowinside-kr5ch]

Eny pro tips for abs rad? (Dont fuck with me, i will not tolerate "Git Good" shit)💀

[@Zayd-bg1pt]

Git gud

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Unfortunately would not be the best person to go to in terms of advice for abs rad I am still in the process of learning her fight intimately

[@Zayd-bg1pt]

@@HIhollowinside-kr5ch if you want actual advice, charms that I’d use would be qslash/strength/shamans/steady body/ any one notch, if you’re not comfortable with using steady body then put spell twister in those least two notches. For phase 1, attack in between and at the end of each attack she does, you can also get a shriek in at the end of both the sword and the beam burst attacks. You can also use descending dark to get rid of the spikes. For the platform phase, stay on the middle four platforms and go back down to the bottom one whenever she does the orb attack. Use ddark whenever she teleports to the same platform as you and then position properly, both upslashes and shrieks work here. Use shriek whenever safe in this phase since you won’t need much soul for the rest of the fight. Wait until you see where the beam appears in climb, then jump once you know it’s safe. Taking a path under and around a platform to reach it from the opposite side can also be useful. In the final phase, lead the orbs off screen to despawn them. Good luck, hope you manage to beat absrad

[@ThaOrthodoX]

I just use parries as a defensive strat

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@ThaOrthodoX based

[@Dark_elder]

I tried to do perfect parry(nkg one) and even if it possible to do double damage it`s not humanly possible. I tried on 0.1 speed of the game and with earliest parry i could`ve done still unable to do that. I don't have skill or knowlage to TAS it so yeah... But just from what i remember "i frames" is longer than frames of nail slash and to do double hits with nail you have to leave hitbox and then get back(but i am not sure). So from what i tried double hits with nail either impossible, either unhumanly precise.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@Dark_elder I am a console player and I did have Mark of pride equipped if that helps otherwise I did not know what to tell you I never had an issue with it

[@maxinea.sakaki4151]

Algorithm blessed you x3 lol

[@theunknowngamer1871]

It sure did 😭🙏

[@frostjose9699]

Faça por favor um video de manutenção de PC SIM! Se possível, talvez trazer um de consoles também! Um de ps4 ou ps5, um xbox e etc..

[@danielsahlberg4576]

Okay but the real question is how do you time these? Like what frame am I attacking on to get a normal parry instead of a perfect parry?

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I will be making a tutorial on how to parry every boss in the game I will admit it is a mixture of timing positioning and also a mixture of getting a feel for it In general it is all a bit complicated but I will make a tutorial on the subject

[@linguine4500]

Why would you ever use this over just dodging the attack and punishing accordingly I pity any soul who uses a joystick and not a dpad or keys on precision action platformers

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Because I like parrying no grander reason other than that

[@CzarnyBonek]

Disable HDR for recording

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@CzarnyBonek did it affect the video majorly?

[@knms5ejaikumaranjayabal505]

Bro upload a vid bout tips or how u defeated all bosses radiant and pant 4 n 5 btw fix ur voice stuttering but rlly gud content ngl

[@knms5ejaikumaranjayabal505]

i can rely on u as ur just growing so u may see this comment n help me out

[@theunknowngamer1871]

That last one might be difficult as I am afflicted with a speech impediment And thanks for the compliment on my video :)

[@SuscatFPS]

Dawg made a parry video without talking to me 🙄

[@theunknowngamer1871]

My bad 😔

[@someguy4405]

*T I N G*

[@BOTIGGLES]

Battlefront parry ?

[@theunknowngamer1871]

Possible soon

[@BOTIGGLES]

@@theunknowngamer1871 against me??

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@BOTIGGLES ye

[@BOTIGGLES]

@@theunknowngamer1871 just like the ol days you gotta parry me with the ball

[@terryjones573]

You’re lucky nobody else has talked about it in depth or else I would have skipped this video after hearing you say “let alone” three separate times in the first minute and a half

[@terryjones573]

Actually, after reading Fire’s comments, I will skip it after all.

[@theunknowngamer1871]

I was going to write a script but I opted not to I am glad you at least watch some of the video though :)

[@theunknowngamer1871]

@@terryjones573 thanks for stopping by anyway :D