No one wants to buy my Mach-E - WORTH HALF WHAT I PAID...

[@nexamax]

Elon cut the MSRP off Teslas by 30% resulting in ALL Teslas readjusting their resale value. This is causing a ripple effect across all EV competitors.

[@GROGU123]

That was always the stated goal though. Through multiple interviews and investor days Tesla has stated they are trying to lower the price and sell at higher volume. The battery cost projection chart shows this. Early adopters before 2023 shouldnt have been surprised.

[@earllsimmins9373]

Another advantage of leasing!

[@sprockkets]

@@GROGU123 That's nonsense. He already dropped the price waaaay back in 2019 or so, then jacked it way up in 2022. Then he crashed the price of the S/X and 3/Y which are still more expensive than when they were first released, but within reason.

[@GROGU123]

@@sprockkets He also needed money to build a new factory. Gigatexas didn't just come from nowhere.

[@earllsimmins9373]

@@GROGU123 Suckahs...

[@manuelgaetan]

But cars are NOT an investment. Cars are a liability.

[@raptorsean1464]

The cost savings on electric cars people can't even comprehend it for some reason. Just the savings in cost of ownership pretty much pays for the car compared to an ice vehicle.

[@jkonquer3853]

Only thing you forgot to add on your math is the price of the car. You spent $50k on a car, meaning you would have to drive 5-6 times (over 200k, based on your gas saving calculations) miles for you to have any kind of return in investment. Meaning you would have saved way more money if you kept your old cadillac.

[@crimsonlightbinder]

his calculations are off. He is comparing with gas guzzlers who get under 20 mpg. If he were to compare with a hybrid CR-V or rav 4 it would have been way worse

[@jkonquer3853]

@@crimsonlightbinderyeah i gave him the benefit of the doubt. It should have been compared to average vehicle with 30+ mpg and average nation wide electricity cost which is about 23 cent/kw. But even with his calculation, if you buy a new vehicle you are automatically losing your money. So many people trade their vehicle for an electric car for the idea of saving money and 90% of the time they are not.

[@SemiDad]

He didn’t get the Cadillac for free 😂

[@arcrides6841]

@@SemiDad Doesn't matter if the Cadillac was free. The comparison begins at a certain point in time when the Cadillac is already old. So the 2 options are to keep that old thing going which is very easy since they're super reliable. The other option is to buy a brand new monstrosity with over half a ton of lithium cells. So he's gotta save that money spent on the new car since he had the option of keeping something old that would've done the exact same job albeit at a higher running cost for the fuel. It's also far better for the environment to reuse something old than to build something new. Especially when that something new requires half a ton of lithium cells. The amount of mining required for that battery pack alone is in the order of 1 million pounds of raw material. So try to offset that with the gasoline you no longer burn with an EV. Most likely your electricity comes from polluting sources anyway and it very inefficiently gets into your car through hundreds of miles of wiring.

[@SemiDad]

@@arcrides6841 well, since the Mach-E is already old you can now forget about the price of the car.

[@Sero12245]

Gas prices may be high but the time it takes to charge an ev and the damage making a battery does to the world, is why I buy ICEs over EV or hybrids. Want better gas, sacrifice speed and offroad capabilities. You can't get it all

[@pjasonq]

I bought a used 2015 Nissan Leaf in 2018 for $12,500 and I'm still using it today. The only things I had to change were the tires, auxiliary battery and the rear hatch gas shocks...that's pretty much it. I'm almost at 70K. I drive it around town...all day...everyday...great car ;-)

[@ronorazine9105]

In massac

[@ronorazine9105]

I live in Massachusetts, my non national grid rate with a lower third party is 15cents per kwh but with added carrying costs closer to 38 cents per kwh. That's charging at home. If I didn't have a third party over 46 cents per kwh. Your 8cents per kwh does it include all charges. Even with gas at 3.37 cheaper to run my hybrid on gas than electric. In mass. My winters can be as low as -10. Every one I know with an EV tells me they loose range in this weather. I have talked and heard from people who have Ford lightning throw a ranch in the bed and loose miles. How about comparing mileage to s Ubuntu crosstrek or Honda that get 35 plus miles per gallon. Selective kwh rate without added charges and comparing to a low mileage vehicle gives a positive to a potential negative.

[@Techridr]

That is value! I think even if/when you upgrade, that Leaf might serve as a great second car for around town.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

​@@ronorazine9105Why is your electricity so expensive? In WI I'd pay 13.6 cents per kwh with the standard rates. If I opted for special EV charging rates, it'd be an extra $8/month and 6.2 cents for off-peak charging, assuming I paid for the charger installation out of pocket. Some quick math suggests that monthly charging costs would be $31 or $51 for an average 15k mile per year driver at 3.33 miles per kwh. In contrast, at 35mpg and $3.37 per gallon, it'd be $120 per month for an average 15k mile driver with gas.

[@leebomccool8997]

@@ronorazine9105 I can't cypher some of this but his rate is his rate like everyone else that has posted. I don't get that you have a hybrid but have to rely on others to tell you they lose range in winter. I also don't understand lightning drivers contacting you with hauling stories. Why would he compare his MachE to vehicles that's not in the class of his vehicle? You have 2 choices in 35mpg 2023 cars, entry level like the Honda civic, the Kia Forte and the Toyota Corolla or you have everything else that is the same or more costly than the MachE but those vehicles are of the same fit, finish, and quality where the entry levels are not. My 68' Bug regardless of gas mileage is not a comparison to a Mercedes, BMW, or Lexus.

[@moose1485]

Used Mach-e is getting cheap enough to become affordable. If a buyer can find one for 25K in a few months, then the partial tax credit still applies. Total price ends up in the low 20's. Not bad.

[@gregnote771]

Don't worry about the current value. Keep it as long as it is reliable and not have to pay for the repair cost.

[@jefff8130]

Hahaha! Good one!

[@Morris1974]

Unless you get your EV totalled, then that low resale value hits you in the face. Insurance companies love that part.

[@msgmak1379]

When you get near the 100k mark...lucky if you can get scrap for it.

[@arcrides6841]

That is a good one but in all seriousness he should cut his losses and sell ASAP. It's very easy to get a minor dent in the battery and then it's junk yard time. Since the battery is the whole underside of the vehicle you'll have to be very careful and baby it like a cheap plastic toy.

[@AsherMolina]

FORD..fix on the road daily

[@malcolmhamilton5200]

Imagine what it will be worth at 5 years old, when it will no longer take a full charge.

[@northdakotaham1752]

I think he's selling now so he will avoid that problem....but he's not the only one thinking about battery life. Anyone thinking of buying a used battery operated car will also be considering potential battery failure.

[@crsp76691]

My volt has 73,000 miles is 7 years old and the battery charges about %90 to what it was new. New it was 55miles and is about 47 miles now, but will still do 52 on non free way driving, until the gas engine engages.

[@northdakotaham1752]

@@crsp76691that's not going to be the same on an EV where you have no gas engine backup.

[@downix]

The batteries used in the Mach-E are rated for a 30 year lifespan, so, I would gladly take that bet.

[@1976axerhand]

​@@downixwho rated the battery? Lol

[@mjordan2876]

I have a 2021 Mach-E Premium with the Extended range. It's a beautiful (Rapid Red Metallic) car. It turns heads when I drive it. I bought it not new but with only 8,100 miles on it. The previous owner took the depreciation hit on the car. I now have around 27K on the car. It has saved me a lot in gas, oil changes, and stress, I have a 240 V charger in my garage and have never charged it outside of my garage.. I also had a Cadillac XT-4 which as Turbo Charged. It was a nice car but I couldn't stand the engine noise after getting used to the quiet of the Mach-E. I sold the XT-4 and ordered a Cadillac Lyriq. I now have both a Cadillac Lyriq Electric and the Mach-E. Both of these vehicles get over 300 miles of range. I have taken some trips but they were relatively short, around 120 miles one way, I always would get home with at least 30% of my battery remaining. I also get a $7,500.00 Federal Tax Credit for the Lyriq, since I bought that new. Personally, I don't miss the paying the hundreds of dollars on gasoline. In my area, my power bill has remained about the same as when I had two gasoline cars. I haven't noticed much difference in my power bill since I have started charging two electric cars at home. My power bill usually runs around $150.00 per month. I'm happy with my current electric vehicles and I personally would never buy another ICE vehicle.

[@alpet67]

What I would like to know is how you managed to drive 41K in 2 years and charged ONLY at home. If you charge at public chargers it costs A LOT more.

[@ronniemullis8717]

To me EV’s are for around town only. I want one and that’s all it will be used for.

[@JustFlyIt09]

Its not hard...I have had my new Tesla Model Y for two months and have over 4k miles and never went below 40% and only charge to 80%. The range has been perfect for me and I haven't charge anywhere but home yet.

[@lkeil84]

I have driven my electric car for 6 years and 65k miles and have charged at public chargers for probably less than 2% of the time. I do only have a 120 mile range car, but I drive it every day starting with 120+ miles of range. Not really practical for long range trips, but is perfect the other 350 days a year.

[@zwieseler]

@@ronniemullis8717A guy in Australia just drove his Tesla from Alice Springs to Laverton on the Great Central Road, that’s thru the outback… so no, they’re not just for around town….

[@wasidanatsali6374]

I’d like to know what part of the country he lives where electricity is only .08 per KW. Most areas of the US pay between .30-.40 per KW for residential electricity. Electricity is .10 per KW where I live and that is considered cheap.

[@scottiswatchingtele]

the issue with the value is no one is buying them from carvana. the market has dried up. What you have to look forward to: Federal Road Tax by the mile--which will adjust based on which whacko needs to fund some green project. 2) Sky high insurance. Look for your insurance to triple.

[@keithc8108]

That's very True! The road tax and registration cost will kill the deal on EVs.

[@sam8307]

+Scottiswatchingtele How do you know insurance is going to triple?

[@michaelwright1602]

@@sam8307Probably due to the fact that some insurance companies will no longer insure them.

[@suserman7775]

​@@sam8307Insurance won't triple. Hyperbole.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@sam8307 Because BEV are becoming a known quantity now. There will be home insurance riders that say no charging within 50 feet of ANY dwelling. Cities might add a surcharge for fire protection. BEV flew under the radar for some time but they are 1% of the fleet now and aging.

[@paulyarek]

I have been selling cars since 1985 yet never have I ever found a customer dumb enough to pay over list/msrp.

[@cobracarlos]

😂 I think it was a pandemic thing… I got so lucky was able to snag mine in 2021 for msrp there were dealers asking thousands over!

[@van8000]

Dude, I waited 6 months for a Toyota RAV4 for my sister, and had to pay $2,500 over sticker. Maybe you’ve been sleeping in the last 3-4 years

[@Thelegendarybear]

Lmao you obviously don’t know how to negotiate or have bad credit.

[@karelglasner2673]

The only one sleeping is someone who buys a car you had to wait for and over paid for it as well 😂

[@Speed.Racer.5]

I remember trying to buy a Honda CRV when they first came out. The dealer told me I'd have to pay over MSRP and be on a waiting list. I never got one, but obviously there are dumb people out there.

[@DonaldHTyers]

Good gas savings? No way, the MackE is worth nothing now!!!!

[@davidwilhelm7466]

Electric cars are not all that environmentally friendly. Mining the lithium dumps a huge amount of arsenic when pumped out of the ground. Mining the lithium would most likely be illegal in the United States. Unless entirely solar, wind or nuclear powered. They have a carbon footprint. The tailpipe is vertical instead of horizontal. It takes about 8 years to pay back the environmental impact. About the same time, the battery will need to be replaced. Plus, the Mach-1 is ugly. There is no reason an electric car should look any different than its gas counter part.

[@barriewilliams4526]

MacMaster paid £120,000 for his Duracell powered Porsche Taycan 2 years ago, he's just had it valued at £43,000 😲

[@carloscontreras3633]

What???? That sounds crazy.

[@JoeBLOWFHB]

​@@carloscontreras3633Yeah, he recently traded it in for an ICE vehicle. EV insurance has also skyrocketed in the UK because many insurance companies are refusing to insure them. The average is about a four fold increase. A man insuring a model Y for £1200 a year was recently quoted over £5000. My ICE insurance in the US went up about $200 this year with no claims, accidents or tickets.

[@Dggb2345]

Winning😂

[@trythis2821]

How does that compare to the Energizer powered Porsche?

[@rodneyjhackenflash4865]

Hey! That's funnier than any Seinfeld episode! Keep 'em coming!

[@Dumpster-J-]

I just bought one , a 2021 at half of MSRP w/ 27k miles. Depreciation is awesome ❤ THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE

[@CarMaintenanceGuy]

How much was your Mach E? And which model? Select? Premium? GT?

[@Dumpster-J-]

@@CarMaintenanceGuy premium ex 4. I offered 26k and they took it. I love it.

[@CarMaintenanceGuy]

@@Dumpster-J- I got a brand new Select RWD for $27k. $0 down. Looks like we both did good.

[@Dumpster-J-]

@@CarMaintenanceGuy very nice. I love the car. Do yourself a favor and get the lectron Tesla adapter. I've found Tesla Superchargers more reliable and in better places to hang out.

[@CarMaintenanceGuy]

@@Dumpster-J- I ordered the adaptor from the Ford app and I'm waiting for it. How much does the Tesla Supercharger charge? I last paid $25 or so to get 50 kW's of charge at a public charging station. It's WAY cheaper to just charge at home. Like 25% or less the cost of a public one.

[@jerrylundegaard2592]

Local Ford dealer lists 179 Mustang Mach-E in their inventory. One is a 2023 GT MSRP of $73,630, advertised price (dealer discount) of $65,130. One is a 2023 Select MSRP of $45,295, advertised price (dealer discount) of $44,795. Of course these prices exclude all those fake dealer fees including, for this dealer, a $500 fake doc fee. With 179 vehicles in inventory, it is likely this dealer will need to be a bit more willing to lower their prices.

[@crimsonlightbinder]

yup,not moving those anytime soon

[@northdakotaham1752]

It's possible EVs has hit the peak of sales. Just wait until somebody finds out there battery died out of warranty and their vehicle is worthless despite that they have 46 payments left to make.

[@123edwardzpad]

You might be saving on gas but you got $40000 in to a car that you and nobody else wants. So the math says you haven't saved any money with the Mach e.

[@hadtobe4502]

You bought this car for gas saving. But what about the extra cost of the car upfront, the extra tyres because of the torque and weight, the great amount of depreciation etc. Lets not talk about a replacement battery cost. So, in the big picture, where is the savings.

[@ricardoalvarez2800]

You save a lot of money driving an electric car but yet your new mustang electric car dropped half in value and is worth less than most gas cars ……. 😅

[@largelarry2126]

So you drive 240 miles between charges? That's 240 miles per day, I call BS.

[@redbaron6805]

He never said he drove 240 miles per day....

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Oh dear Larry. Your tiny little brain can't process the information can it?

[@redbaron6805]

I get 59 miles per day. Someone buy poor Larry a calculator and show him how to use it...

[@lawyer1165]

When comparing the cost of gasoline versus the cost of electricity, you should factor in the replacement cost of the battery.

[@bwoj42]

do you factor in the cost of a replacement engine for gas vehicle?

[@dukeraul624]

@@bwoj42engine no, fuel pump, tank, maybe.

[@framelessmonk1724]

In the same way the cost of the electric motor or dual?

[@GoogleDoesEvil]

@@bwoj42 I'm at 285,000 miles on my Silverado with the original engine and transmission.

[@bwoj42]

@@dukeraul624 If you don't factor in the cost of a new engine, why would you factor in the cost of a new battery? Right now, these batteries are estimated to last till 200,000 miles. Some of the other companies are rating it even higher..... Here in the rust belt, most people don't even come close to these numbers, so the battery should outlast the actual vehicle.

[@Mr-Clark]

$100 for an oil change? 😂😂😂😂 $25 for 5 quarts of oil and filter from Autozone. Takes me 15 minutes and I’m done. Now calculate battery replacement in the near future. 😂

[@johnfriend862]

You realize that the "wasted money" on gas includes about 30% in fuel tax? Just wait until the politicians realize how much money their electric cars are losing the government in tax revenues. I'm dreading the massive taxes coming on electricity, because then we'll all be footing the bill to subsidize electric cars, not mentioning tax credits and other subsidies. Where I live an electric vehicle is just not feasible. I know one man who bought a Tesla, he commutes 35 miles each way to work. His Tesla, because of having to run climate control all of the time averages a range of only 80 miles. He's paranoid that he'll encounter a crash, get tied up in traffic and run out of battery before he gets home. Public chargers are completely non-existent. This isn't what you'd call a wealthy area, and most people don't have the money to buy an EV. Add in apartment complexes or old houses without any ability to install a charger, EV's aren't going to be popular in many areas.

[@lisaroberts8556]

I didn’t need a double of Obama & Biden Green Scam Trash. To know this was an instant Fail! 👎

[@doctorrobert60]

Electric versus ICE depends on personal situation. I am 74 years old and have 2006 BMW Z4 M Coupe and 2023 VW Golf R. Both 6 speed manuals that provide interaction with the cars that electrics do not have. Depends on what one wants from a car. I do not drive that much miles/year since am retired. I will probably die with these two cars outliving me. If I were younger and working and commuting could consider EV car. Everyone's situation is unique.

[@ronblack7870]

i drive to my shop every day 7 days / wk and i bought a new car last december . by this december it will be time for the first oil change at 6000 miles. so i don't see buying electric for the fuel saving but maybe eventually for the instant response.

[@sam8307]

@@ronblack7870 Schedule a test drive of a Model S Plaid or a Model 3 performance . They are game changers... You'll look forward to EVERY stop light for the rest of your life...hahahahaha

[@michaelwright1602]

@@ronblack7870 If you plan on keeping that car, try to do at least an oil change every quarter. Oil does break down in time, it is the additive package that is the issue. Depending on the transmission, if a CVT, a transmission fluid change would be a very good idea.

[@originaldelta]

​@@sam8307Everyone I see driving EVs,is always doing under the speed limit.

[@EntropicRemnants]

I just bought mine back in June. 2023 Select RWD standard range -- and I absolutely love it. Amazingly well equipped for a "base" model. You had me going from the thumbnail and title! I thought you'd soured on it.

[@cobracarlos]

thanks for watching! for the value the select is the way to go for sure, good choice!

[@andrewkaiser7203]

LFP battery?

[@gregholman2930]

Click bait, i thought the same!

[@jimzimmerman5288]

Another sheep that took the bait to buy an EV with a big tax credit. LMAO

[@rodneyjhackenflash4865]

SUCKERRR!

[@jimandersen3003]

Also, in CA, electricity costs more than gas. 50 cents a KWH vs 8 - 12 cents these people pay.

[@drwisdom1]

Owning vehicles for less than 5 years is foolishness. Buying a car that devalued quickly isn't worse than that. The solution is keep driving it because you are stuck with it, and you like it.

[@SyrupCanuck]

That's why leasing an EV makes sense. It's only going to drop in value as they try to push future EVs more mainstream. At this point drive the ever loving piss out of it.

[@northdakotaham1752]

The dealership is going to consider the excessive depreciation into your lease payment....so it's not going to be a benefit. Leasing is simply renting the car.

[@SyrupCanuck]

@@northdakotaham1752 you can hand over the car. You wouldn't have to worry about the difference.

[@northdakotaham1752]

@@SyrupCanuck you won't get the car to begin with bc the price will be too high. The excessive depreciation will be added to the contract up front.

[@Ricky-mo6mv]

Yeah, but then you’re still stuck with a vehicle that you have to plug in. I just heard on the radio this week that Ford is having a lease deal on the Mach-E for $499/month. It’s likely the lowest model and something like 10,000 mils/yr terms. Ridiculous..

[@Mike_Davidson]

"Louisiana has the lowest average electricity rate in the U.S. at 11.04 cents per kilowatt-hour." Check your rate again. 😂😂😂

[@warrenbrown8670]

Probably looked at only the base rate, not the infrastructure rate.

[@bossman6174]

Over night rate in Ontario, Canada is 8 cents.

[@andreasvoss4931]

Odd..I am only paying 8 cents in Pennsylvania....never seen something as high as 11 cents...😂

[@Mike_Davidson]

@@andreasvoss4931 11 is dirt cheap. 8 must be off peak. 😂😂

[@sparkedfire5469]

I’m in a coop in FL and we pay 8.21 cents per KWH

[@GMfwdSpence]

It sucks for people who bought them new, but I'm loving this. I've been wanting a Mach-E since they came out but can't afford one new. Used values are getting very close to making this a possibility for me.

[@cobracarlos]

Do it! These are getting into an affordable price range so tons of value to be had

[@onlyme972]

Used? Getting close to warranty? Repair costs will kill you,

[@kxk2328]

@@onlyme972 the car's batteries are warrantied for 8 yr / 100,000 miles....

[@dang6684]

Junk

[@yummm8775]

You don't want any EVs, they explode without warning. Plus maintenance will bring you to the poor house fast!

[@ELP1125]

Buying a car new NEVER makes sense.

[@stevenjuranovich2971]

Both my newer vehicles (Toyota Tacoma and 4Runner) are gas guzzlers but the reliability and resale value never waver. I can work on both engines at home, and am guaranteed to get 300k+ miles on both vehicles with routine maintenance. I will never buy electric cars, but I love my Bugatti Scooter😂😂😂😂😂

[@badbenito]

I'm waiting for the new Rivians to become used Rivians.

[@aymanlockhartable]

Do research on body repairs. Repair bills looks outrageous!

[@Ricky-mo6mv]

Ughh. Those are so pretentious that they make me want to vomit. Please reconsider.

[@iskdude9922]

​@@aymanlockhartabledo it yourself

[@thegonz7833]

Caddy should have got 25mpg +

[@peeweeacres]

Mine gets 25 or better must be the lead foot.

[@masonwickmann6454]

Almost half the value gone in less than 24 months is crazy, most EVs are horrible at holding value anyway but good lord

[@ReeceHickman-ts5hs]

All new vehicles are half the value as soon as you drive off the lot… why should EV’s be any different?

[@lkeil84]

I see so many people use the Calculation of say, my battery is 60kw and my range is 300 miles, so they take these 2 numbers and do the math. Now my car shows lifetime of 237 watt hours per mile of actual driving economy. I can't just that this number and calculate the cost to drive by what I pay the electric company for power. There are charging losses of about 15%, and if using a 120 volt charger, this could be loss of more than 20%. So although they do cost much less than gas, you have to multiply the figures by 0.85 to get the real number for cost per mile and use actual driving economy vs what the guess'o'meter tells you it possibly could be in a perfect world. Note: I sometimes exceed the estimate, but then I play it like a game.

[@mrdot1126]

well, back in the day a person bought a car to drive it, not cos how it holds value, people didnt buy a car to sell them, they got one, and driven them until they broke down for good..

[@cobracarlos]

there's so many good cars out right now though its hard to keep one long term! 😂

[@Techridr]

Back in what day? I've owned 20 cars over the years and was in the car business for a time. The average time someone owns a car is about 6-8 years. They are typically sold before breakdowns to recoup some of the cost. Your foolish method might only apply to a very small amount of people. You keep cars 20-25 years? Good for you. Most don't.

[@chrishart8548]

​@@TechridrI've still got my car I bought 16 years ago. Unless I give it away too a family member or friend I'm keeping it till it dies. People get confused about reliability. Mother in just got rid of a 2008 for a 2017 because she wants something more realiable. Be funny if the 2008 just keeps going OK and the 2017 has issues

[@nickvan4514]

I own a 2011 Chevrolet Avalanche. I am the second owner and it had 20k miles when I got it. Planned on driving it until it cost me more to drive than it is worth. It now has 214 k miles and I spend $700+ a month on gas with my commute and using it for work. Oil changes, brakes and all I am looking forward ro my new EV. My reservation is on the Aptera. Love it or hate it, it only needs a regular plug to charge, I give my excess home solar power to my electric company to cash in for a ton of money, and the Aptera has solar charging already. I will save a boatload because it is not subject to the taxes of other EVs due to it being an autocycle. I am not promoting it here because of their awesome promotion that will get me a free Aptera after 30 people purchase one using my code, but because they do and you get $30 off your reservation by using it, why not add this to what I would say anyway. What other car brand does that? Try beating those savings lol. So please use my link below if you found my reasoning rational. If not, oh well. lz953.isrefer.com/go/preorder/a114506

[@claydand2420]

I don't think there's a good or bad decision made by anyone that has weighed their options and made the decision that is right for them. You sound satisfied and I appreciate hearing your experience.

[@robertkubrick3738]

2 more years depreciation on that BEV will change his mind. They go to near ZERO after 5 years. The depreciation never slows down on a BEV.

[@robles100]

The price of the car is like paying in advance for whatever savings in fuel costs. So no savings whatsoever

[@suserman7775]

You're right unless you consider if he would have leased instead.

[@redbaron6805]

That is bizarre claim. Like gas cars don't depreciate....

[@suserman7775]

@@redbaron6805 I've had many cars, but my EV6 depreciated 25k in 18 months. Do the math and revisit your statement.

[@redbaron6805]

@@suserman7775 "According to August 2023 depreciation data from independent industry experts, the Kia EV6 should be worth between 58-59% of its new value after three years or 36,000 miles on the road." Which isn't that unusual. My brother bought a Genesis that was less than 3 years old and it had depreciated around 50% in 3 years. Kia's and Hyundai's depreciate like fish on the market, which is why they are a financial disaster new, but a bargain used...

[@suserman7775]

@redbaron6805 Go to any car appraisal site and if you punch in an imaginary 18 month old EV6 you'll see that it's worth about 26k when the MSRP was 52k. That's 50 percent in HALF of 3 years. Yes I should have leased it and made Kia EAT that false residual of 55%. I don't even know how to go about predicting its further loss of value after another 1.5 years.

[@susumukawamoto2924]

Wait until he needs to replace the battery.

[@chrissmith2114]

If you take much higher upfront costs for EV and the vertical depreciation compared to an ICE then that figure will buy you many thousands of gallons of gas.... and the iCE car will still be worth a lot more than the battery with wheels.

[@666dynomax]

Ev total cost of ownership is going to be more than any ice vehicle

[@TheCrusher72]

Simply false or a lie…

[@666dynomax]

@@TheCrusher72lol. Do the math.

[@djdj-qx3hb]

Did you include road tax also tire replacement

[@RETUSAF1995]

I fill my 2004 Toyota Camry XLE up once a month. My gas bill this month is $26.30, my electric bill is $91.34!

[@jep5105]

You cannot compare your entire electric bill for your house to your gas expense for your car to imply that the cost of running an electric car would cost you more. Running an electric car would cost a tenth do you wound be saving.

[@Comm0ut]

@@jep5105 But the replacement car would cost tens of thousands of dollars. The only cost that matters is TOTAL purchase, operation and maintenance cost i.e. the whole package.

[@wondereagle]

The gov’t has totally screwed up the EV crap.

[@Steve-gc5nt]

Dealers in the UK just dont even want to stock EV's.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Joking. There's thousands of the bloody things.

[@geraldscott4302]

It would be completely worthless to me. I mean, 240 miles?? I have been driving a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis for the past 7 years. I bought it with 87,000 miles on it, in really good condition. It now has 381,000 miles on it, has required almost no repairs, nothing expensive, it gets 32 mpg on the highway because of its overdrive transmission and 2.73 rear axle, and most of those miles have been highway. It has a 420 mile range with a full tank. I paid $7200 cash for the car from a private seller. It is still running great. I fell in love with it. It's big, smooth, quiet, and extremely comfortable. I like it so much that I just bought a like new one owner 2007 model from a private seller, with only 36,000 miles. I paid $10,000 for that one. Between these two cars, I should be set for life as far as cars go. I can replace the engine and transmission in one for quite a bit less than the battery in an EV. No fire danger, no range anxiety, no waiting for it to charge, insurance is very reasonable. I am a recently retired mechanic, and I worked on these cars for decades. I know them well. They are built like tanks, and have very few known issues, none of them serious. I wouldn't even consider a battery powered car.

[@DoneDeal2]

Agreed

[@irocitZ]

I worked in the car business for almost 20 years, every chance I had to buy a Grand Marquis or Crown Vic's I never hesitated. People knew how good those cars were and still are, not to mention all the miles you can put on them. The best one I ever had was a privately bought Black 2003 Grand Marquis LS ultimate in 2010, I liked it so much I wound up keeping for 4 years. The guy I sold it to used to text me once in awhile to thank me and tell me how great the car was.

[@brianhurley8617]

Doesn’t the electricity come from coal? So it’s not really green. I won’t even mention child labor and digging into the earth for the battery material. But to each their own. I’m glad you’ve enjoyed it.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Electricity comes from little fairies.

[@didierpuzenat7280]

Even with electricity produced from coal, an EV emits less CO2 than an ICE car, not to mention all the air pollution. Not to mention coal is less than 22% of the electricity production in the USA, and decreasing. And of course you can chose to use 100% renewable electricity, while you cannot buy clean gas. Regarding "child labor", it is only for cobalt, and the oil industry use far more cobalt (in refineries) than the battery industry. And new EVs have LFP batteries, without cobalt. So are your going to switch from ICE to EV to save some children in Africa ? Or was it just stupid arguments because change is too difficult for you, even to save you own children from the consequences of climate warming ?

[@happyfunnyfoo]

This is what I was afraid of. $7,500 tax credit, but compared to buying a gas car, your EV depreciation cost is 5-10 times higher than any savings from using electricity and the credit in aggregate. For example $48,700 MSRP - $7,500 = $41,000 but it depreciates $20,000. If you bought a regular Mustang for $48,000 (no credit) you'd still have a $35,000 car :) Everyone got scammed.

[@billh4301]

I had every generation of the Nissan Leaf, 2015, 2018, and 2020, and now own 2023 Mach E Select with 4k miles on it. Total of about 35k miles on all. At least 90% of my charging has been on free public parking in my city. I got $3750 tax break and $7500 cash coming for California Green rebate for the Mustang. All have been great cars. Like you I change vehicles too often. I had the Ford Maverick hybrid and then Toyota Prius Prime plug in prior to the Mach E.

[@martinlintzgy1361]

I cannot understand why Americans love their gas guzzling 13 mpg suvs, when a diesel engine is so, so, much more economical. I drive a bmw 520d diesel car. It does 55mpg, a full tank will take me 750 miles., 126g/km

[@Aspen5.7]

I seriously doubt you only pay eight cent per KWh. Eight cents might be what your electric co charges per KWh, but you need to take into account all the fees and taxes. So, take your TOTAL electric bill and divide by the number of KWhs you used and it will probably be in the 18 cents/KWh range. Also, don't forget to add the power from the chargers when/if you took a road trip. BTW, that Caddy gets 25 MPG on the Highway and 18 in city (I know...I have one). Thanks for sharing your story.

[@ericmatos1025]

So, using his numbers 17mpg for the Cadillac @ $4 per gallon and 240 miles per full charge @ 8 cents per kW he calculated 1/10th of the cost $900 vs. $9k, for 42k miles. Using your new numbers, 21.25 mpg combined @$4 per gal. is 0.8 of the cost $7,200. And 18 cents is 2.25 more than 8 cents so the new cost is $2k. The new difference in cost is $5,200 for 42k miles driven. So a little ove 1/4 or 28% of the cost. Take into account the inconvenience of long charging wait of EV, less range, battery replacement after so many years… electric still only make sense for short city trips.

[@Chris_In_Texas]

I am paying just a bit over ten cents per kWh all in with monthly meter charges etc. My in-laws all in are around the eight cents range all in as well. There is cheap power out there at least in some areas at least. Its the the CA fees! 😁👍

[@youtubetrollking1880]

​@@Chris_In_Texas 34 cents/kwh for me in California. I was going to go electric, but it was a wash with gas prices.

[@Aspen5.7]

You are very lucky. My KWHs fee goes from $140 in KWHs used (1353 kWhs) to $225 final bill due to all the fees and taxes (in Arizona). When buying a car, I consider convenience and cost. If I can buy a comfortable Cadillac DTS for $7800, (or the one you had mentioned for $25K) I could buy a lot of fuel for the additional $25,000 that a $50K EV would cost me. I have had expensive cars in the past that depreciate fast so I am done wasting money on cars. @@Chris_In_Texas

[@michaelmansour6326]

I wouldn't take into account the fees as those are fees you would normally pay on you monthly household bill anyway. I was able to switch to an EV plan with my local electric company. I was at 12.4 cents all the time and went to peak, off peak, super off peak plan. So when I charge from 10pm to 5am it is only 4.3 cents, most other times is 8.2 cents BUT 6am to 9am (winter) is 37 cents! We have been able to drastically reduce our bill by using off peak and super off peak hours. We set the t-stat to work around the 6am-9am peak time. I basically drive at equivalent of 310 "miles per gallon" in the model 3. Insane savings!

[@JetFire9]

I bought a 2023 Model S 8 months ago, and I just sold it for huge loss. After buying dozens of cars in my life, it was absolutely the worst car I ever purchased. It left me stranded on the side of the road when all power was lost to the car due to an inverter failure. Do a search, it's super common. No ICE car is as unreliable as a Tesla.

[@nickmartin8495]

yep same here.. tesla trash

[@drunvert]

I have been in a couple of my friends S Tesla's and they are amazing. They handle really good and they're super fast. Obviously they have their issues that are different from gas car issues. I personally want to be able to have it towed to a shop versus having it towed to Tesla or wherever. I'm going to go down swinging for ice cars but I just bought a 1983 Porsche 944 so I'm not the normal guy

[@bossman6174]

Can't be as bad as my Mercedes with a failing transmission.

[@JetFire9]

@@bossman6174 How old and how many miles on your Mercedes?

[@drunvert]

@@bossman6174 my Mercedes had a bad transmission too. 265,000 miles

[@KSimmonsKenny]

Hard to believe you drive over 20,000 miles a year and only charge every night at home.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Not really. It averages out as 54 miles per day. Easy to recharge that even with America's shitty 110v overnight.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@Nickbaldeagle02 Especially when you have an ICE Truck to drive while the BEV is charging! LOL

[@jorgemairena426]

I Don’t recommend buying or financing any EV car you get a lease find amazing rebates and get out of the car

[@williamlord2840]

The electrical cost is from .32 cents to .55 cents per kilowatt. You need to do your research.

[@backcountyrpilot]

.08/KWH is even cheaper than the .09/KWH that I paid in Idaho in 2009. In California, I was paying .17/KWH in 2008. Some charging stations are about .40/KWH

[@dukeraul624]

And it’s not going to get any cheaper.

[@robertkubrick3738]

The charging stations lose money even at that rate. Check the stock price of the charging station companies, nobody will invest in them anymore.

[@ronbrandich4196]

Why anyone would PAY OVER sticker price on a New car is beyond me for sure! I would continue to drive my old car still "THINGS" settled down!

[@Ricky-mo6mv]

Money is no object to some people. Buying an EV is like being a new toy to play with for many of the people that purchase them.

[@Cheezes101]

Cost to insure difference. Parts availability if you get into an accident (ask Rivian drivers).

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Rich Rebuilds can repair it for peanuts.

[@SevenSixTwo2012]

"EV Tax Credit" are code words for forcing your neighbors to help you finance your new $60k electric toy. NOTHING IS FREE!

[@demetriuskoitsopoulos8672]

Yeah keep saving your money because with the amount of electronics involved things will break down. So the money saved you’ll be spending it in other ways. lol!

[@mickshoot3497]

Your maintenance costs may be a lot less, that is until you need to replace the battery.

[@mvann1978]

Engine and a transmission replacement is very expensive. In the next 5-10years, battery replacement will be much cheaper. This is the first question my boomer in-laws ask. The above is my response.

[@mickshoot3497]

@@mvann1978 Engine and transmission will last way longer than the battery. Most people know about Maintenance. Have fun with your E car when it catches fire.

[@harrys2331]

@@mvann1978engines and transmissions can last 300k with regular maintenance easily. Ya once you get to that point, it’s gonna be a 10k replacement or more to get the car back on the road. I’m not sure how much an ev battery replacement is but let’s say it’s 10k as well. Well can an ev battery last 300k miles? I doubt it and even if it does, it’s gonna hold a fraction of the charge it used to.

[@dguy321]

​@@mickshoot3497ice cars burn more than EVs. Hybrids burn more than ices. If you're afraid of a car fire, an ev is your best bet.

[@umtozzi]

@@mickshoot34978-10 year warranties on batteries usually.

[@shaneb1313]

I laugh every time I see this🤣. He said, “the gas savings is ridiculous”. Sure, but you’re still paying for electricity, plus the depreciation of the vehicle plus, don’t forget that brand new 8K. Battery you’re going to have to buy down the road when that one takes a dump! What a joke!

[@TheCrusher72]

Where are you guys getting numbers of what batteries cost?

[@Dap8998]

$8,000 seems cheap.Tesla batteries are about $20,000 and I have seen the Hyundai IonQ 5 battery part number 37501-gi351 $31,666.50 😮

[@sasca854]

If you charge at residential rates, electricity is massively cheaper than what you would've spent for the same unit of range with gas. Gas vehicle resale values are only going to sink lower as time goes on. If you follow the suggested charging level guidelines, a battery pack will last for many hundreds of thousands of miles or more. You _will_ pay more to maintain and repair your IC engine over the same time period. The days of IC are coming to an end whether you like it or not.

[@robertkubrick3738]

Plus he drives the ICE Truck while the BEV is recharging or on longer drives. He still has all the oil changes. Ice Truck is a necessary but expensive accessory to a BEV.

[@rmwtsou]

Just get a Rav4 hybrid. I get 40 mpg and everything is cheap. Also, the car can last 400,000 miles.

[@patrickcarleton3924]

I owned a 69 Mach 1 with a 390. Best muscle car of that era, in my opinion. I hate this car. They should have called it the Mistang. Calling it a Mustang is nothing short of blasphemy. Try charging that car in SoCal where we pay the highest rates in the US.

[@bmomosaik]

trash take

[@japekto2138]

With my 4-cyl 2019 Camry SE, I get 400+ miles with City Driving and 600+ miles Highway Driving (with cruise control). When I fill up? It takes 5 minutes tops and I'm on my way with another 400+/600+ miles available. Sure, I have to pay for gas and maintenance. Some of the latter I can do on my own. Most of the costs of regular maintenance is labor. Plus, the car cost me $27k even out the door (plus 2 years free maintenance). I'll stick with my Camry for another 10-15 years. I might consider a new Camry (hybrid-only from 2025 onward) when that time comes. My insurance is also around $1400/year (for 3 cars) full coverage with my safe driving and clean record (plus 12k miles or less a year). Personally, I think that's a bit high. But, oh well.

[@mjrisinsd6836]

No. New cars don’t lose half their value in two years. We used to have 5 year car loans designed that the customer passed break even after year two UNTIL people like you decided a Ford was worth $41k and a $700 car payment for 7 years was fine. Not really. The pandemic showed what happens when you give stupid people money. They overpay for dumb shiz and we all suffer.

[@jonessenoj6753]

Could be worse that English guy with the electric porsche paid £120k now 2yrs on worth £42K....😊 added to my Tesla playlist.... many thanks....makes my 18yr old Toyota Aygo owned 4yrs paid £1200...value today exactly the same 😂

[@jrobbins8058]

No one standing in line trying to buy an iPhone 6. I feel sorry for any e v owner after 3 years.

[@cj90014]

Gas savings exist only if you can charge in your own garage. If you live in an apartment or condo, you're screwed. You won't be saving anything on gas.

[@amadeusb4]

There are free chargers around

[@SylvesterJcat]

Meanwhile Ford are ditching these and the Lightning.People don't want them.But if you think its saving the planet,O.K.LOL.

[@djcucumpa]

Its all nice and dandy until your battery breaks and its worth more to replace it than the vehicle itself

[@jabs0907]

Ima eventually buy a EV but not right now, ima wait another 10 years where they actually much better and maybe even cheaper EVs

[@williamconrad1087]

I definitely agree with your thinking. I put a deposit on a Cybertruck. I’m planning on it taking 7 years before it arrives.

[@Ricky-mo6mv]

By then, I predict EV will be out of the picture. As does Honda and probably other manufacturers. It’s destined to fail regardless. The future is already looking toward more efficient ICE with several different fuel alternatives being considered.

[@bossman6174]

@@Ricky-mo6mv I think you might be VERY wrong.

[@Ricky-mo6mv]

I’m going to wait 50 years.

[@TUTENSKENGS]

​@Ricky-mo6mv i doubt EV are going anywhere bro.

[@drunvert]

I want to watch this video and I'm commenting before I watch it just because it makes me so happy. I think the Mach e is a pretty good car and I have nothing against electric cars. Have everything against the government telling us that we are going to stop driving real cars and that the electrical grid can support all this BS and that Ford and general motors know how to make great electric cars after one year of working on it

[@northdakotaham1752]

EVs have been around for over 125 years. The manufacturers have had a little time to study the issues.

[@dguy321]

Ford buys the batteries and electric motors. EVs are WAY more simple than ice cars. They don't need to learn much other than how to manage charging.

[@northdakotaham1752]

@@dguy321 they, Ford, plus others have alot to learn about batteries bc currently their batteries suck. They don't produce advertised endurance and producing them, obtaining the necessary raw materials creates an environmental catastrophe. Auto manufacturers have had 125 years to improve upon the internal combustion engine and that R & D continues yet today bc it has become obvious that EVs may not be what consumers want as current sales indicate.

[@ohger1]

Jan 2024 and used 2021 Mach Es are still expensive.. Where can I buy one for half off new?

[@rwgarchia5187]

aren't there problems with '21 ?MachE?

[@ohger1]

@@rwgarchia5187 Not really. I think a small percentage had a contactor (relay) problem but it's not a big deal. Software updates might/should be settled by now.

[@jimster1577]

Most high end luxury cars lose 30 to 50% after 2 years old. A mustang is a POS. But still considered high end because it's an EV. AND you put 40k miles on it! You can't figure out why it's only worth 50% of the new sticker?? Seriously bro. Maybe cars aren't your thing. Go find a scooter or Ebike.

[@jimandersen3003]

MORE: Multiply charging by 5. Add $23,000+ loss in value, add absurd time loss for normal driving inconvenience and future cost of battery- e train repair. Gas car would have saved him $10,000+ including the tax scam.

[@georges7946]

If it's your first EV, you're likely going to have to subtract a portion of the tax rebate for an electrician to install the charger in your home, which he doesn't mention. So, how much did he save after the rebate and charger installation?

[@AStanton1966]

Not to mention that some home EV chargers get fire!

[@markhu7454]

Insurance?

[@silcozot]

so lets say 1,000 bucks........ev's are the future thank the early adopters

[@ronblack7870]

you can install it yourself. it's pretty easy if you know what you are doing. it's just a dryer or stove plug.

[@Ricky-mo6mv]

@@ronblack7870 Famous last words after someone has an electrical fire. Haha!

[@Andeoppaa]

I have a model y and I have to say the interior is nice

[@nickmartin8495]

it’s meh

[@josearias2671]

That’s what happens when you buy into a agenda instead of thinking for yourself

[@billhanna8838]

Tire Use , Wall charger & in another 40K miles Battery degradation & zero trade in & i wont mention snow.water , Battery damage , Black outs , Insurance , Fires? & your old V6 would be still going great ? Chicago might be a good place to sell it LOL

[@Gokuz257]

I drive less than 5k a year … I stick with fun v8 a while it lasts and keep an ev as my side hustle vehicle

[@NickKravitz]

I bought a brand new 2023 Mach-E this year. In the 4 months between order and delivery the tax credit reduced from 7500 to 3750. I bought it because I am tired of seeing so many Teslas

[@cobracarlos]

Great reason to buy one 😂

[@nickmartin8495]

good choice!

[@NetReflect]

Bought a 2023 Mach-E too, almost for the same reason, and while I know for sure tesla software is nice, I just can't stand their so basic design, and IMO the mustang look is awesome, It is nice to see Ford developing the Mustang as a brand, and with all the upcoming CO2 penalty the So cool V8 5.0 Mustang will just be unaffordable, so It is nice they showed people we can have an Mustang EV

[@carlssonlsk]

Enjoy your beautiful dashboard 😂

[@willmajor4559]

With the exception of getting it repaired at the dealership, replacing tires is expensive, and expensive insurance 3X more did you mention no resale value after 4 years. Just like a cellphone imagine that.

[@robertkubrick3738]

Not to mention the accessory ICE truck he drives when the BEV isn't charged? And it's associated costs?

[@FlyingAceAV8B]

Gonna be great to watch these electric firecrackers head towards zero over the next decade.

[@mtgreengarden]

Why should MY tax dollars go to finance YOUR car purchase? Your $7,500 rebate came at taxpayers' expense. So wrong!

[@rayellebishop8168]

Amen

[@NAZTYPONY007]

Go Blame the BIDEN AGENDA!!!!!

[@advancedanr]

And why should our tax dollar be going to pay for idiots who took out college loans? What is our benefit?

[@awesomecomputers7076]

@@advancedanr well it depends on what major they chose, and how productive they would be to the economy. Investing in an engineering or medical degree would be a good investment for our country. But investing in a fine arts or liberal arts major makes no sense as a newly minted engineer could help the US keep its status as the most technologically advanced and powerful nation in the world, and a new doctor would be able to save lives. As for a fine arts/liberal arts major, idk what they would do to contribute... I guess they could work at starbucks or become a teacher lol.

[@dannydrgn]

Should've bought one yourself mate. And not!! pay taxes. think about

[@stevekovacs4093]

Eight cents. Where I live rates are over 50 cents. So there would be no savings if I bought one here. I haven't seen those type of rates for nearly 45 years.

[@pfyearwood1]

I hope you never have a battery runaway in your garage in the middle off the night. Keep your fire alarm loaded with fresh DuraCells.

[@georgemcdonough5039]

I never want to buy an electric vehicle! Just stupid!

[@TheClaudio7078]

So since the value is less now ..is the insurance less now too?

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Ha ha 😂 nice one 👍

[@markspencer3680]

How long does your battery last and how much is the car worth with a dead battery. How much are batteries. I would like to drive an electric for the fun of it. But I like my truck.

[@davidwright1752]

So it cost $20k extra depreciation to save $10k on fuel wow genius then took $7500 of the poor tax credit.

[@ronnieallen6986]

I would never buy a electric vehicle and the Ford CEO just announced that Ford be stop producing the electric vehicles because the Ford CEO said Ford loses over $38,000 on making each Electric Vehicle And one day there might be a milage tax on all electric vehicles like every mile you drive be tax to go to the state you drive in this not pass yet it's because the states get there tax to fix highway from the fuel you buy from a gas station when this happens be paying way more than a gallon vehicle because of the mileage tax I will never ever buy one if I own a mustang be a gallon engine one prefer with a V8

[@chrishubbard1612]

I've been considering an electric vehicle. Why didn't you mention tires and insurance? Aren't those items more expensive on an electric vehicle? Did you have to replace your tires yet? How much more for insurance?

[@vegaspool188]

..and a battery change?

[@darmou]

@@vegaspool188 I’ve owned my car for over 5 years, the battery is warrenteee for 8 years or 100,000 miles and usually they last a lot longer than that.

[@trumpetscall8910]

​@@vegaspool188 How often do you belive, evs have to change battery?😁

[@vegaspool188]

Whenever they receive damage from underneath, when their capacity drops after a significant period of time (think laptops and stuff, so 8 to 10 years) and/or when capacities of these new hard batteries hit the market @@trumpetscall8910

[@robertkubrick3738]

Don't forget the cost of the extra Gas powered vehicle like Carlos drives when the BEV is charging. It's an expensive accessory to a BEV that people barely mention.

[@Ueddyyytube]

That sounds really good beside ignoring the fact that you have to buy a newer $40,000 battery within 15 years , also how much was the charging station on your home?

[@robertkubrick3738]

He also wasn't adding in the costs of his GAS TRUCK that he drives when the BEV isn't charged!

[@dchaplin69]

Is the insurance cheaper for the Mach-E? I was looking at Tesla's Model S and in California the insurance 2.5 times higher than my Passat TDI. I assumed it was because they are not easy to get collision repair.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

No. It's because people drive them like hooligans. 0-60 in 2 seconds is gonna cost more than 6 seconds.

[@Thelegendarybear]

It’s a luxury vehicle. If it’s expensive obviously you don’t have the money

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@ThelegendarybearSince when is a Tesla a luxury vehicle? 😂

[@samsos5796]

I will continue wiht my combustion engine vehicle!! period! no EV for me or my family

[@knotatraitor]

I went with a Model Y LR AWD. 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. I've driven all-electric cars since 2015. Spark EV and then 3 Bolts. EV and then EUV. All Premier trim. Loved the VALUE of the Bolts, but the Model Y (late 2023 build) is just in another league in many ways. Bigger interior, which is great for my 6'4" elbow room, and lots of storage and fast fast fast. I wouldn't buy a Model 3, ever, or an S or an X. The Y is perfect. I tried the Mach E 2 years ago and liked it, but a few things I didn't like were the infotainment system seemed lame compared to the Bolt. I also didn't like that I had to lift my foot to get out of the car, to get over the 3" lip at the bottom of the door. I also didn't like all the piano black plastic - at least in the one I test drove - as it was an instant fingerprint magnet. But, I did like it, overall, and if the price was better I would have probably gone for it. But I'm glad I waited and ended up with the Model Y LR AWD. 318 mile range, (though they claim 330 on mine, they just changed it to 318 on newer builds, even though it's the same exact car). And about 250 real world at an avg of 70 mph on the highway. The Bolt EUV would get about 190 at the same 70mph avg. So it's a serious increase in range from the Bolt to the Model Y Long Range.