NO PROOF of a SOUL - Sam Harris & Matt Dillahunty

There is NO PROOF of a SOUL - Sam Harris & Matt Dillahunty
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Pangburn Philosophy - A Celebration of Science & Reason Phoenix with Sam Harris & Matt Dillahunty.
This event occurred on February 23rd, 2018 at the Comerica Theatre. Over 2500 people were in attendance.
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[@Pangburn]

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[@sgloobal2025]

The fallacy that is very common is that people mistake soul for spirit. They are two different things. A soul is simply a living creature. Animals are living souls. So if souls don't exist then living things don't exist

[@DonTheMoron716]

Those chairs should be bigger.

[@gloriaf6971]

😂

[@ahmetdogan5685]

Those chairs are meant for Chairman Mao.

[@DonTheMoron716]

@@ahmetdogan5685 Ha ha ha

[@DonTheMoron716]

@@gloriaf6971 I love to make people laugh! You can destroy the most evil with a good laugh.

[@andrewsmith3257]

Lol I seen this comment twice those chairs are Shaq sized

[@micknapier6483]

Those are the best chairs in history. They are not too big or distracting. They are perfect for an interview about the soul. They don't take your attention away from the conversation at all. They are very suitable for the conversation at hand. They are not huge and stupid at all. It doesn't make me just think about the enormity of the chairs at all. It is a very good choice.

[@tzenophile]

They did distract me, and obviously they distracted you too. QED. Edit: Ah Irony. Good one. Congratz!

[@peternelson7048]

I didn't notice the chairs. They must be tiny if I couldn't spot them.

[@mind-bender]

They're just big chairs, you need to notice that and aknowledge it once at most and not through the entire conversation, unless you have a 10 second window of memory that forces you to bring your attention to the baffling strangeness of what they're putting their bottoms into

[@bojnebojnebojne]

To me as a non religious person the "Soul" is just an umbrella term for all that constitute me. It is not actually something that exists outside of the imaginary boundaries of the human mind. For what constitute "me" is very subjective. What i think is "me", is not necessarily what other people view as me. And therein lies the conundrum of the soul. Just like "Math" doesn't physically exist, but regardless, as a concept, has the function as a tool that we can use to describe the physical reality with extreme accuracy.

[@babaka1850]

If it’s you then call it you, why do we need another word to explain you. It seems your definition of soul is not the norm. As far as math is concerned, it is a derivation of logical axioms as we observe nature and try to model its behavior. It has a direct relation with physical world. I don’t see it’s similarity with a soul

[@djfrank68]

The split brain thing is similar to when we dream. We usually have our self in the dream but some part of our brain creates separate characters and events that we seem unaware of until they act and then our self reacts to the action in our dream.

[@tasmarkou5681]

So ypu dont believe in the soul but you are usiing imperial analogies to tey ans describe it, scientists dont hwve the tools to measure the supernatural, plain and simole , your are gell bent on explaining asay everything its become an absolute joke , its actually called scietism ,look it up ,do you know how many hendreds if not thousands of people have had experience, of leacing their body , or seeing jesus there is plenty of evidence but Respectfully, i would like to clarify evidence isnt PROOF, theres direct or indirect evidemce only, ie its information that leads to a probable cause, thats why in a court room your are guilty or not guilty based on beyond reasonable doubt ... And courts except circumstantial evidence which is evidence of eye witnesses to psychologists to draw conclusions. Whether God exists or spirits or the transcendental or is J-C being divine isn't an intellectual argument of scripture, you can argue back and forth evolution vs creation etc, but peoples personal experiences especially when their is no motive is more of a challenge . It's the manifestation of J-C s claims Which show an interesting perspective, let me give you a perspective and I know you don't believe in the bible, but hear me out. Mathew 11.28 -30 Jesus says- Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. .. and Mathew 18.20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” So both these claims,are divine claims , as he is saying in the first verse, come to me I'll give you rest, so for jesus to be able to do this he has to omniscient and omnipresent, same goes with the second verse , so do we have any evidence of this manifesting? Well look up the following testimonials on you tube . Where they have a personal encounter with jesus ,directly or indirectly, that did not previously believe in him ,so what's,the motive here ? You can argue they all all delusional sure but there are hundreds, that's evidence not PROOF , at least I've shown people are having these experiences Then look up yourself how many near death experiences people have had, Garry habermas has recorded heaps of testimonies, now again it isn't PROOF but the more independent information you hear, you can decide for yourself if it's plausible, that theres something more than just what we can perceive imperically. Now to be fair to you can can research and find testimonies of people who have died and saw nothing, so you would have to listen to both sides and draw your own conclusions. Further more there's other paranormal phenomenon, that people have attested to , now again, it isn't PROOF, but it's information that's can lead to a most probable or less probable conclusion. There's heaps of testimonies that people have made to do with demonic or evil spirits, so I'll,draw your attention to people like John Ramirez who goes into great detail, how how was a Satanist, and would command different spirits to do his work for him , from putting on spells to people selling their souls etc, heaps,of x witches also if you do your research You can again argue, it's all rubbish but listen to Bob Dylan ,in an interview ( look up b Dylan sold his soul )where he says he made a bargain with the chief commander in the world we can't see,( is he being poetic? )What a strange thing to say.....? And there tons of testimonies of musicians selling their souls, and now consider jesus would often exorcise demons in the gospels, so what you'll find the more information you have the plausibly becomes greeter and greater, now you as atheist need to bring to the table information to show all this is just a mere coincidence and state your case equally, so don't assume that people base their beliefs on zero information... And if you really want to know you could simply ask God to give you a clear sign of his existence, that's not difficult .. Some tops to research I'll attach Atheist to christian. X witches to jesus Jews for jesus Homosexality to jesus Muslim to Christianity New age to Christianity Satanism to Christianity I can leave a few of my favourites, if you wish to see them below or find you own... kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp3JpYdtZ8ihh8k kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIS9qKaOlJJ-mNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGbWeqKkq7CEm5I kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4CuaIOco8lrhdk kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZzVqYOve9eDmtE kzbin.info/www/bejne/aouxpoJon66His0 ttps://kzbin.info/www/bejne/aouxpoJon66His0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2rQg41ni89rkLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpSVdmZpjpmDrcU kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zpi3dJykrtOdd7M kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_SYpZpo5WrrsU

[@TheShinedownfan21]

Just as every character in a dream is really you in disguise, every person (and thing) in the "real" world is really you in disguise.

[@ancientflames]

@@TheShinedownfan21gonna need to elaborate on that lol. Unless it’s just the whole we are in a simulation shtick.

[@TheShinedownfan21]

@@ancientflames When you look "out" at the world you are really seeing the inside of your own mind, you are experiencing the workings of your own thought process, which gives form to the world. Would the sun be bright without eyes to see it? Would rocks be hard without feet to feel them? What is reality without the observer? Even if you try to imagine what the world would be if you weren't in it you are still placing your imagination at the center of the question whether you realize it or not. Reality is a relationship between observer and observed, each creates the other like Yin and Yang. Listen to lectures by Alan Watts here on KZbin to elaborate on this idea.

[@dagame0329]

​@@TheShinedownfan21yes, the sun gives off light and energy regardless if we see it or not. Rocks are harder than our skin regardless if we can feel it or not. That not a good thought experiment.

[@garypage9515]

Early on when raised in a fundamentalist Christan environment, I of course believed in the concept of a "soul". Then, I had surgery with general anesthesia. Afterwards I realized I had no idea what happened while anesthetized, and so began my questioning of "where was my soul in all this" if it is "separate" from the body. I finally concluded, there is no soul. My studies since have strengthened this understanding of the truth of our existence.

[@VA-gu1jq]

Your surgery story doesn’t point to the fact that no soul exists. That’s you extrapolating a conclusion from an experience you’re not too sure about. You would look for proof that one does exist, not looking for things that may only support the opposite. It’s reasonable to think it doesn’t exist, mainly because there’s no proof of it existing. And on a side note, it also just sounds a bit silly and far fetched.

[@christophlindinger2267]

You must be very proud of yourself! What a masterful conclusion. Anesthesia exists, therefore there is no soul... Wow, just wow... Someone should tell all these philosophers and theologians, the problem has been solved, they can finally do something useful with their life, whatever that means in this godless, hopeless world.

[@rkinczel]

Do you think the soul is your consciousness ? Why would that be the case?

[@anubhavdas4268]

@@rkinczel Well doesn't everyone just 'think' about what the soul is?

[@rkinczel]

@@nexuspolaris2419 that's exactly the mystery, it could be consciousness or simply linked to a consciousness, it could be a deeper unverifiable part of you that we don't understand. The point is not that I know what it is, it's that in each specific religion there is debate to what it is. For example Christianity has a debate on whether people have a soul,body and spirit or the spirit and soul are the same and only have a two part being, in that debate consciousness maybe linked to either the soul or spirit or to neither etc. Spirituality generally considered your soul a part of everything that when you die you rejoin everything else spirit. To say that it's been debunked because people can be unconscious or that someone has a bain injury that leads to split personality disorder is so simplistic it's mind boggling. Even if consciousness is the soul which is completely reliant on skyhooks, then having a split personality doesn't mean that one of those personalities isn't the legitimate one and the other is a result of the brian being damaged and is simply a faux personality devoid of a soul, if they are both legitimate who's to say two souls can't inhabit one body etc. You don't need to be religious to see theologically or philosophically that nothing's been debunked at all in regards to the soul and its existence. It might be the hardest thing to disprove because it's so poorly defined.

[@torreyintahoe]

The concept of the soul is a religious one. It's the idea that there's more to us than our physical bodies and consciousness.

[@bryanbobbie9590]

The concept that there is no soul is also a religious one.

[@SoarLong]

@@bryanbobbie9590 Almost as if a belief in any idea can be labeled as a religious one.

[@bryanbobbie9590]

@@SoarLong Almost. I would say purely religious ideas have some unique markers. They tend to be declarative and evidence free. They tend to be closed off to skepticism, scrutiny, or modification. Their proponents identify themselves as better in some way than those who disagree...just to name a few.

[@pnouni1]

Neither through belief nor through intellect. Both categories have some experience, ideas ,knowledge which they preach like the ultimate truth and Reality but LIFE GOES ON.

[@Arminius420]

This is the one thing that most religions absolutely refuse to give up no matter how much evidence we discovery that seems to debunk these mind body duelism claims.

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

Arminius also known as Hermann, was a two-faced Germanic that, yes, although he returned to his people, did so by killing many of his legionary brethren when ambushing Quintilus Varus in Teutoborg. Varus in fact treated him with respect and gave him great authority, only to be stabbed in the face. Fortunately, Augustus Germanicus Cesar recovered two of the lost eagles and treated the Germanic people fairly. The romans under Varus were not kind to the Germans that is true, but not to the point where Varus was crucifying Germans left and right, and certainly not to the point where he was betrayed as such. Its worth to note that Hermann saw an opportunity to be welcomed back by his people, so he took it. I respect his character for that, and so did the romans.

[@Arminius420]

@@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME Oh wow you know the story. That's awesome.

[@theboombody]

Wikipedia - List of philosophical problems - Philosophy of mind - Mind-body problem - "The brain essentially stops generating conscious thought during deep sleep; the ability to restore such a pattern remains a mystery to science and is a subject of current research"

[@wordscapes5690]

Not Buddhists.

[@mostlysunny582]

​@@wordscapes5690they believe in spirits.

[@gsp3428]

CS lewis brilliantly said "we dont have souls, we are souls."

[@fudgesauce]

That is a deepity, nothing more.

[@ancientfiction5244]

Well, if C. S. Lewis said it, that settles it. I'm convinced!

[@MrPopemobile]

@@ancientfiction5244 How can you be convinced when M Dillahunty clearly just gave the ultimate debunking proof....

[@adamplentl5588]

How was that brilliant? It's literally a nothingburger statement.

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

CS Lewis is talking about the fundamental unity that a soul is supposed to represent. In a, I possess a soul understanding, you exist as a splintered being that must re-construct itself. Whereas if you see yourself as already reconstructed, that is you are the unity, you start the battle for unity and against division or splintering. Despite the processes in the universe that are happening right now, which split matter into it's constituent parts, you begin to realize that it is YOU, THE SOMETHING, AGAINST IT, THE NOTHING, that it wants you to become. Alot of people simply relegate themselves to become nothing in life, a return to the void, nothing, the father of all things, but when the time comes... I guarantee you, they won't go down without a fight. YOU, won't go down without a fight.

[@dommidavros2211]

People cling onto this idea of the soul because they can't cope with the idea that when they die, all that awaites them is an eternity of nothingness! They desperately want to "go somewhere" I'm one such person so PLEASE SOMEONE, JUST PROVE SCIENTIFICALLY that there's life after death!!!! I don't want an eternity of nothingness!!!

[@gsp3428]

Or Hell, that would be also nice to avoid for the atheist.

[@chamicels]

Do you remember before you were born? I don't think you will know that you are experiencing nothingness. At least that is comforting for me.

[@dommidavros2211]

@@chamicels - Yeah doesn't work for me. Sure there was nothingness before I was born but that came to an end. The nothingness proposed AFTER I die goes on forever! That's the issue!

[@chamicels]

@@dommidavros2211 haha if its any consolation your energy is reused goes into the air and ground you might feed a family of worms!

[@dommidavros2211]

@@chamicels - Nope, no consolidation whatsoever! I want my consciousness to go on forever. That's the only thing that could make me happy but no one seems to want to bloody prove it!! Religious nutbags like to assert it but I want scientific proof that of an afterlife ffs!!🤬

[@tantangpenn5496]

One of the Seven Sages of The Bamboo Grove asked 'People said the ghosts wore the same clothes they had worn while living. If people die and become ghosts, does clothes die and become the ghosts' clothes?'

[@jessewallace12able]

Are you kidding?

[@rockpadstudios]

that's a good question

[@tantangpenn5496]

@@jessewallace12able Not by how their leader die.

[@G_Demolished]

Maybe that’s why some people fear cross dressing. 🤔 😂

[@It__From__Bit]

Don't confuse the map with the territory.

[@TheShinedownfan21]

The word "soul" is a general term for "mind" or "self" that includes emotions and unconscious feelings. It is not a discreet entity that can leave your body and maintain its own identity. Your sense of personal selfhood is intimately tied with your relationships, your membership in a species, your evolutionary background, your connection to the chemistry of Earth and the physical interactions of the whole universe. You are not an incorporeal spirit working your body like the driver of a car.

[@zapkvr0101]

Crap

[@jackwhitbread4583]

What a crock of shit, that is not what most people who believe in souls perceive souls to be.

[@riffhammeron]

That is absolutely not the way the religious use the word "soul". To them it is something separate from the person which lives on after death.

[@zapkvr]

@@riffhammeron Its a pity the OP is being deliberately misleading. Its just like the religious to lie about what they really mean. The next thing you know he will be prattling on about Gaia.

[@TheShinedownfan21]

@@riffhammeron There are many more religions in the world than fundamentalist Christians, and many ways to understand the meaning of the word "soul" other than as a ghost that lives in your body and floats off to Heaven when you die.

[@djfrank68]

Another question would be, how does a persons IQ figure in? If someone has a very low IQ in this life, would their sould spend eternity with a dim understanding?

[@CraigHorton-mg7sh]

Where did you guys get those chairs?

[@MusingsFromTheJohn00]

While the most common use of the word "Soul" and "Spirit" is something associated with a supernatural thing that exists outside nature and does not require a body to exist, that is not the only variant possibility within the broad definition of what a "Soul" and "Sprit" is. A human mind, well any mind, is a dynamic pattern of information which is noncorporeal/immaterial, but that pattern of information is emergent from and dependent upon a physical matter/energy system. Change the matter/energy system and the pattern of information directly changes as a result. But a dynamic pattern of information can move between physical matter/energy systems which allow it to do so. The point to this is that right now we can't move a human mind out of the human brain, but in a century or two or more we will be able to build artificial brains in artificial bodies where human minds will be able to move between those brains. Well, the mind arguably fits the definition of "Soul" and "Spirit" realizing that within these broad definitions a "Soul' and "Spirit" does not have to be supernatural, thus can be locked into the brain so that changes to the brain changes the "Soul' and "Spirit" and when the brain dies so to the "Soul' and "Spirit" die. But, within a few hundred years when we can move minds our of brains into other brains, the mind is going to be looking a lot more like that supernatural idea of a "Soul' and "Spirit", except of course it will still be 100% tied to physical reality, requiring that physical matter/energy brain to arise from.

[@kerryburns6041]

"I do not have a soul, I am a soul. I have a body". C.S.Lewis.

[@colinellicott9737]

You are not a soul, you are a strange loop, as am I - thx Hofstader.

[@kerryburns6041]

@@colinellicott9737 I´m not familiar with Mr Hofstadter, but I´m sure there will be any number of American physicists who share his opinion. I don´t. I think Max Planck was right when he said that matter is derivative of consciousness -- I doubt if Mr Hofstadter would agree with that either. (Stadt is German for city by the way).

[@colinellicott9737]

​@@kerryburns6041 Douglass Hofstadter's book "Strange Loop" is somewhat meta, but I doubt many physicists, American or otherwise, share his opinions. I think Mr. Planck (Plank - which is short for a small length of wood BTW) has coined an excellent deepity there with his superficial matter/ consciousness claim. I refrain from adopting such trivia.

[@kerryburns6041]

@@colinellicott9737 Planck is known as the Father of Quantum Physics, you are a pompous twit.

[@rbwinn3]

If God says I have a soul, I have a soul, even if Matt Dillihunty says I do not have a soul. I know how difficult this must seem for atheists to understand.

[@KennyRegan]

From Dillahunty: "If we were to imagine that there was a soul that was 'good', that was 'saved', that was Christian, whatever, and yet it can't be the ghost in that machine because of damage, so now there's a physical body that's presenting itself as a completely different person, if we know that's possible, then how do we tell the difference between an individual who has this soul in congruence with the body?" Forget about "incongruity" or "ghost in the machine", we just simply aren't in a place to judge whether someone is ultimately "saved" in the first place. In the western theistic tradition, extrinsicly presenting religion is a Grace from God but not an ID card for judging a person's salvation. There are plenty of religious people who practice their religion on false pretenses. There are probably plenty of apparently irreligious people who are a lot closer to God than many professing Christians, and whose unbelief is due to factors outside their control. Only God, if God exists, would know what is going on under the surface.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

The idea of Souls and the Afterlife is the source of so much evil.

[@fortynine3225]

So is believing all you are is a piece of meat with the ability yo think which is materialism and modern atheism. In the end that is more harmful because is clears the road for treating humans like objects, Staln/Hitler both good examples of that. I think we are better of treating humans NOT like objects.

[@anupluitel6996]

No, white elite c***s are the source of all evils. They use religion for their evil agendas. The idea is not evil. I mean those c***s use any ideas to serve their twisted agendas.

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

Evil comes upon you as the End, just you, in an isolated space, what are you going to do? Are you going to explain, talk, cry, or are you going to face your enemy which seeks to annihilate you. In reality, you will either drop down and die, or fight.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

@@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME Ooh...poetic language....scary! I am unafraid of your imaginary threats.

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

​@@antondovydaitis2261 I'm sorry Anton, I did not mean to threaten you. It's just that... I hope you live. I hope you live past death. I don't know you... but my understanding is as such that I would rather fight for all of man, than no man, when the time comes.

[@themoralcube]

The DNA is hardware, the RNA is software, and the Soul is our electricity. The human hardware and software and electricity is just vastly more complicated than the silicon parts we attempt to create in our image.

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

Particles and compounds made up of those particles are our hardware. Both RNA and DNA are a part of the hardware. The soul is a shielding for your unity, that exists within you. When the soul breaks, you break. It is hardware, past death.

[@starfishsystems]

And analogies are not an adequate form of explanation.

[@arusirham3761]

​@@starfishsystemssavage 😂

[@Vhlathanosh]

Prove souls exist. Claiming without proof is a no-no

[@bryanbobbie9590]

@@Vhlathanosh Doesn't that logic also apply to claiming there isn't a soul?

[@mrloveandgratitude]

"In the epoch of the armchair multipolar trap, the left hemisphere's insatiable thirst for efficiency paved the path to an ever-expanding world of armchair dimensions. As cognitive dominance shifted, the chairs grew larger in a race where size became the battleground for intellectual prowess. In this relentless pursuit, the armchairs transcended all rational limits, marking a striking symbol of the left hemisphere's unyielding dominance in a multipolar trap of cognitive escalation." - Erasmus

[@tedgrant2]

If I've got a soul, why do I need a body ? Why can't I see when my eyes are closed ? Surely, this flesh is an unnecessary burden.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

You don't have a body You ARE a body Stop coping and accept reality

[@jamesbrandon8570]

Here’s the reality. Everything we know to be fact is limited by our own physical bodies.it’s arrogant for humans to think that of all the animals on earth that have limited consciousness we aren’t one of them.the human mind has limits. Just as anything we create to measure things has it’s limits. People just don’t want to accept that lol. As long as we are humans we are limited

[@Rex69Rutherford]

Yes. Whenever we advance our understanding of science, we are learning fundamental rules that were created by someone else.

[@avi8r66]

People tend to have a lot of trouble viewing themselves as just a physical body. Whether it's ego, or wishful thinking, it's become common for many cultures and individuals to develop this idea of there being something more to us. It helps cope with the loss of those close to us, grandma is not really gone, she's still here in spirit and perhaps you will see her again. And the whole rats nest of ideas related to what happens to the soul after death gets opened up leading to various cultural ideas regarding gods and judgement in the afterlife, or reincarnation, or eternal life as a spirit vs just ending, or punishment/reward, etc. That soul concept gives the religious predators a lot to work with against their prey.

[@DonTheMoron716]

All we have is memories.

[@CrazyLinguiniLegs]

I get what you’re saying, but at the same time we are not just a physical body but also the consciousness of that body and of everything else. And I don’t mean that in a new agey way; I just mean our ordinary, everyday consciousness. Take sleep: the body is there, but we are not really there. We’re there when we’re awake. And that’s not to say that we are consciousness independent of a body. (On the contrary, as far as we can tell, if there’s no body, then there’s no consciousness and, thus, no us.) Another key aspect of what we are is memory. Take hopes for personal immortality. What people are really hoping for is continuation of their memory. If there is no continuation of memory, then there is no personal immortality. The person = the body + the consciousness + the memory. Without all three, no person. From another angle, we’re not just separate bodies. We’re all matter-and-energy transformers within larger matter-and-energy transformers, and also containing within us smaller matter-and-energy transformers…all parts of the shuffling and reshuffling of matter and energy.

[@DonTheMoron716]

@@CrazyLinguiniLegs I like it. Thank you.

[@avi8r66]

@@CrazyLinguiniLegs Thank you for confirming what I said.... Well done. Whether you label this 'extra thing' a soul, or consciousness, or spirit, it's all that desperate attempt to be something greater, more significant, than we are.

[@It__From__Bit]

Don't confuse the map with the territory.

[@mertonhirsch4734]

But...the outcomes of quantumly probabilistic physical situations (which ultimately are all outcomes of all physical situations) are determined by a probability generating agent (the "dice") that itself can not be a material object. If the agent that determines the probabilistic outcomes in the universe were a material component of the universe, than it, itself would be subject to probabilistic outcomes that would have to be determined by a non-material agent. So there is an agent that affects the material universe, which itself can not possibly be a component of the material universe based on the consequences and finding of the Bell Theorem. There are other possible ways that the findings regarding the Bell Theorem could be explained, but the standard one is that the physical universe does not contain the information needed to determine quantum outcomes, and yet the quantum outcomes do become "determined" so there must be a non-material agent that determines material outcomes.

[@Rex69Rutherford]

In other words, we are gradually discovering the science created by some other more advanced entity.

[@Toto-cl8rw]

I agree with Matt, humans are a species of animal. The human species developed parts of the brain different from other species. There has never been an iota proof of a soul. When a person or any species dies that is it, no body since one is dead, no soul, no place to go after death, just being cremated or buried. That seems peaceful and satisfying to me, make the most of life while alive and let go to give room for future species.

[@fudgesauce]

Many (most?) people are convinced they have a soul, but when I ask them any questions about it at all, they are not at all ruffled that they have no answers. How can they be so sure of something they know nothing about? For example, our bodies have metabolic needs and we sleep roughly 1/3 of the day while our body does maintenance. The soul, having no metabolic activity does what during that time? Is it sleeping too (why?) or is it impatiently waiting for its associated body to wake up so it can start driving it again? When I was very young I didn't yet know how to add -- did my soul know out and refused to help me, or did my soul need to attend first grade with me to learn it? What is the division of labor between the physical brain and the soul? Does the brain take care of the reflexive stuff and the soul is where conscious thought is? Or does the brain do most of it and the soul is just subtly nudging the brain in the right direction, fooling the brain into thinking it is the author of its actions? Or is the split that the physical brain take care of most things and the soul opines only when it comes to moral issues? If there isn't a clean spit, what happens when the brain and the soul have different desires - how is it resolved?

[@amroemara3237]

Your on to something here and maybe I can help a little in this line of thought. The reason they cant answer yet convinced is because of the deep rooted human aspect to our existence. what I mean by this is that due to fact your mind is not a material object and more of power of "will" and this 'will" comes from somewhere beyond our dimension, they know but don't know, if that makes sense. I think its great you mention sleep, I bet you heard of the quote, "sleep is the cousin of death" the mind/soul/consciousness is on stand by, its metabolic activity is to not "switch off" you see rebooting is not really option for our bodies, a reboot of the mind is too stressful on the body, you cant "plug in and out" your mind is beyond normal energy. The mind is energy, and it generates energy through thinking, feeling, and choosing. It is our aliveness, without which, the physical brain and body would be useless. That means we are our mind, and mind-in-action (consciousness) is our energy in the brain which we can never turn off. To answer your third part about adding numbers when you were young vs going to school, again very smart thought process here, your asking the right questions. Numbers are a great proof that the "will" and the mind was able to leap bounds, if you remove the linguistics (which we developed with speech) in which we are aware of numbers the leap in which your mind comprehended how to count, thats not in the world its not objective or a material, the mind put them together so 1+1 become 2 + 1 become 3 and so on. your mind can desscern meaning. the school part just speeded up the process. Lastly on your final paragraph you bring up again another really important area of thought here, I think the balance of how your brain and soul interact with each our depends on your mental health and state of mind, we tend to train our brain which leads to providing ourselves with amazing abilities and skill, however the soul also needs training which is something we neglect. if you look around us today and you look at the state of mental health of life in the west we seem to have massive issues with gender with self identity and so on, this is most likely correlated with a huge decline in faith or training of the soul, with religion or maybe something like meditation perhaps. when you compare the west and the rest of the world we seem to be the ones that have the biggest identity dysphoria even with our incredibly rich and developed countries. To your question, if the brain and soul have different desires, the state of that person is mental illness and can be a harm to themselves and others.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

its easy to be sure of a wrong thing if you dont know if its wrong or not. definately when everyone around you beliefs the same thing. this is why when asked why they believe. the religious often have no answer. because all their lives. people around them have just agreed and not questioned it. cognetive dissonence is one hell of a drug

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

The soul is not separate from you. Consider it, in your case, as an enveloping mantle of all your energies and thoughts, that unconsciously keeps you, your body, your mind moving. It exists in it's own inner dimension, deep within you, beyond the carbon atoms that make up your physical shell, and past any definable locus in the mind or heart or your veins or bones. The soul, is an image of you beyond death. Well worth preserving. And the mind, as well as the soul and the body still do work during sleep, just to maintain your existence.

[@fudgesauce]

@@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME -- you are a great example. You are sure we have a soul, but it is a nebulous, non-specific feeling with no predictive or explanatory power. Reread what you wrote. It is a bunch of unsupported claims with no specific. Is this other dimension something that can be detected or measured? Or is it like the snufalupagus that hides whenever someone tries to look for it? This is the same type of thing that new age people ascribe to crystal power. "The crystal has a transdimensional energy that vibrates in resonance with your energy body and provides the impetus to your spirit energy. These frequencies are also healing, but you must be open to their energy. Without it one gets sick and can even die!" Well, those are claims without evidence. It is at best a metaphor. So getting back to specifics. Do only humans have this soul, or do all living things, or just some living things? Which ones? If I took a hit to the back of my head, destroying a chunk of my brain but leaving me alive and blind, does the part of the soul that enveloped that now missing part of my brain get destroyed too? Or does that enveloping mantle still exist but is homeless now? If a fetus is stillborn, does its soul live an eternity with the understanding of a fetus as it never learned to see/speak, much less learned how to add?

[@leob3447]

@@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME "The soul, is an image of you beyond death." And what exactly is that image made of, what are it's features. Does it have memories, thoughts, emotions?

[@It__From__Bit]

Indeed we don't have a soul. But what we are is an Individuated Unit of Consciousness. That is our fundamental identity.

[@owersmenbwroten9813]

That's a silly statement. You have no idea what you're talking about. Only the dumber atheists claim that there is no God or no soul or any other supernatural entity. Evidence for the eternal soul & spirit in this non-eternal DYING world? In the one moment before death vs the one moment after death, NOTHING PHYSICAL IS DIFFERENT, yet, the person is dead. Something NON-PHYSICAL has changed & the only things NON-PHYSICAL is the eternal soul & spirit that have left the body. The soul & spirit is "LIFE" and NOT the body God made out of clay to return to clay when the soul & spirit leave the body at death. EVEN IF you fix or replace the defective PHYSICAL PART of the body, the person remains dead. “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” - Hebrews 9:27 “Let death steal over them; let them go down to hell alive; for evil is in their dwelling place and in their heart.” - Psalm 55:15

[@fortynine3225]

What happens after we die? If there is a self and it survives after we die that is proof of our soul. Soul/non soul is beyond science and a matter of personal belief with plenty of people believing in reincarnation.

[@yes55504]

Where's your proof?

[@fortynine3225]

@@yes55504 A universe from nothing is plenty proof since from nothing comes nothing so there must have been unnatural interference. Also it is very unlikely that we do NOT have a soul since we would be pretty much be reduced to being a piece of meat with the ability to think. A person who behaves like just being a piece of meat with the ability to think in general are the serial killer kind of person. That is why i think it is a absurd assumption.

[@oscarcastellanos9270]

Think of the soul as the software or code and the body/brain as the hardware. Software or code being housed in the Cosmos

[@jdsartre9520]

whoever chose those chairs...

[@tzenophile]

I'm ambidextrous, so I actually have a soul!

[@petyrkowalski9887]

I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous

[@tzenophile]

@@petyrkowalski9887 Most people'd give an arm AND a leg, just saying.

[@bobafeet1234]

Until they figure out precisely what consciousness is and where it emanates from, they can't say definitively that there's no such thing as a soul. The human brain receives consciousness from elsewhere... the brain is both a descrambler and antenna. Maybe "soul" isn't the right word. Maybe we are just fragmented Universal consciousness, trying to experience itself subjectively.

[@michaelmitchell2143]

Consciousness alone is real

[@michaelmitchell2143]

That's true. But you will be conscious there is no thing. Beginning of it.

[@ubiquinoxxrosiles2766]

Consciousness is everywhere. So where's the consciousness when you are in deep sleep? Or are you conscious when u sleep? Your body is still there, breathing, but are you conscious of your time sleeping.

[@jessie968]

I wish I had those 9 minutes back.

[@KennyRegan]

"There's very little argument about what these experiments mean... Consciousness and subjectivity is divisible." What? There absolutely is argument about this, both in the neuroscience community and in the philosophy of science community. I think most people in the field would agree that *aspects* of consciousness-such as memory and interaction between various cognitive functions-are divisible, but that's hardly a surprising thing to find and it's been obvious for centuries. Harris' above point is directly undermined by what he says immediately following: "There's this additional question of whether there are ... areas of 'something that it's like to be you' or to be your brain that 'you'-whoever you feel you are to be at this moment-don't know about." The fact that he can speak about these dissociated aspects of conscious activity while still predicating them of an overarching "you" that has a variable and divided experience of consciousness shows that he completely misses the point on discussions of consciousness and the soul.

[@starfishsystems]

Sam Harris is a fairly advanced Buddhist practitioner. You may know that Buddhism has a doctrine called Anattā, that what we call the "self" is an illusion, something which our minds habitually synthesize out of subjective experience. Under different habits of thought, that illusion evaporates. No doubt this perspective informs the way that Harris understands consciousness and subjectivity. We likewise may maintain habits of thought that give us an illusion of an undivided consciousness and an undivided field of subjective experience. But if we pay closer attention to these inner phenomena, we can pretty easily detect hints of discontinuity and partiality. Concentrating intently on the text of a book, we may not hear the doorbell ring. Conversely, most people can multitask to some degree, dividing their conscious attention, at some cost in total performance. (Unconscious cognition, on the other hand, is a complex and loosely organized mixture of parallel and serial processing with few clear neuroanatomical boundaries.) Most of our cognitive processing remains unconscious, however hard we try to bring it into consciousness. There is a small degree of partiality in this as well, in which we can almost catch ourselves, almost sense the place from which a thought or impression has "spontaneously" arisen. The mind is usually far too preoccupied with fielding these thoughts and impressions to do much investigation. The effort of investigation itself tends to produce a torrent of new thoughts and impressions. Anyway, I think that this is what Harris is on about here. Our capacity for introspection is limited and not very accurate, but that's not to say that the underlying totality of cognition is constrained by the way in which we can introspect about it.

[@jeffreykazanjian2399]

If we cannot trust our brains, how can they trust their assertion there is no soul?

[@dorraymarshall1143]

@Kaz&EffectProductions But you can trust a book of superstitious fables from the bronze age!?

[@fpcoleman57]

The New Testament writers and subsequent Church theologians got the concept of a separate soul from ancient Greek philosophy. The book of Genesis teaches that we become souls, not that we receive souls. For example: Rabbinical jurisprudence didn't recognise an unborn child as a separate entity until it took its first breath and became a living soul.

[@oneagleswings8456]

Most of the points you stated here are incorrect

[@fpcoleman57]

@@oneagleswings8456 Which ones are incorrect? If there are verses in the Prophets later in the Old Testament which say that the soul is a separate thing then this probably indicates the early influence of Greek culture. These texts would therefore also be contradictions. The New Testament teaches that we receive souls. The writers got this from the ancient Greeks. Greek culture had been the major influence in the Eastern Mediterranean since the time of Alexander the Great. The Septuagint was produced because people were losing their fluency in Hebrew. When the writers of the New Testament quoted from the Hebrew scriptures they used the Septuagint. Why is the New Testament written in Greek and not Hebrew or even Aramaic?

[@oneagleswings8456]

@fpcoleman57 rabbinical jurisprudence not recognizing an unborn child as a separate entity until first breath? Where are you getting this?

[@fpcoleman57]

@@oneagleswings8456 Useful article on Wikipedia: Judaism and abortion. Also: Gen. 2:7 Job 33:4 Ezek. 37:5-6

[@seriousmonkey5654]

Agreed. Bigger chairs needed. Definitely.

[@junevandermark952]

If devotees used the word "thoughts" rather than the word "souls" ... I suggest it would seem ridiculous, when human animals die, to say "His or her thoughts will either go flying off to heaven ... or to hell ... or to reincarnate."

[@MaceStarwalkPangburn]

I’m going to remain agnostic on this one.

[@G_Demolished]

As are both of the gentleman on stage. Neither of them claims to know.

[@adamplentl5588]

Why?

[@MaceStarwalkPangburn]

@@adamplentl5588 because they failed to disprove the possibility of a soul. All they did was point out that if the soul does exist, the soul’s abilities would be determined by the brain that it is trapped within.

[@adamplentl5588]

@@MaceStarwalkPangburn do you feel similarly about every unfalsifiable premise?

[@MaceStarwalkPangburn]

@@adamplentl5588 I don’t know. I’m agnostic on that too.

[@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd]

What in the past was usual to call it "soul", now we call it 'mind'

[@mugikuyu9403]

Or even gender identity.

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

The concept of the demiurge, the nous (or us), is an old Greek philosophical concept that states that God is in the mind, thus your soul is in the mind, which seeks to overcome death. It is part of the Aristotelian cosmogeny as moving spheres of existence outside the earth, a geo-centric view of the universe. So it's actually in reverse, what in the past we called mind, now we call soul.

[@joejohnson6327]

@@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME Plato's dualism: the soul (psyche), the supposedly eternal essence of a person, is supposedly separate from the mortal body. Soul fancy, body yucky. Christians overjoyed there's so much to steal from Plato.

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

@@joejohnson6327 In this fight, you either represent something or you represent nothing. It’s personal for sure. My interest primarily lies in testing the waters to see what is transpiring in peoples minds in actuality in the litmus test of a soul, which is both the mental and physical struggle against death.

[@joejohnson6327]

@@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME Are you still convinced that the psyche/mind is immortal & incorporeal/separate from the brain?

[@evalramman7502]

True. No proof of a soul. The concept still remains alive and well. The debate about it is what is interesting, not any answer or answers proving or disproving its existence.

[@adrianh332]

Seriously dude, you don't think positive proof of an immortal spirit/soul would be the greatest discovery and news story in human history? It would take science in completely new and exciting directions, proof would be way beyond interesting.

[@evalramman7502]

@@adrianh332 If proof is found? Fascinating, then. Not something I expect or worry over very much, however.

[@adrianh332]

@@evalramman7502 Me neither my friend, there's so much circumstantial evidence which indicates there isn't one but frightened people unable to deal with the idea of life without an afterlife keep these superstitious beliefs going.

[@evalramman7502]

@@adrianh332 All too true. Me? As Heinlein once said, when we croak, we'll either know nothing, or everything. Myself? An Afterlife such as depicted in the Riverworld series is appealing, LOL.

[@Mr.Goodkat]

@@adrianh332 There is already proof but it gets ignored, anyone who thinks people seek unbiasly is woefully naïve regarding human's and how society makes them.

[@leebarnett2610]

Korea has a Seoul ...

[@hsitz]

The split brain thing was interesting. It seems to me a more persuasive argument would be comparing humans to other animals: dogs, apes, dolphins, elephants, animals that are highly developed and have similar emotions to humans. Or even take insects or amoebas. Apart from religion, and taking evolution into account, how is it that anybody could think humans have souls, but deny that other living things do?

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Or that we have abstract reasoning and animals don't: when animals write books or start Universities: let me Know!

[@starfishsystems]

​@@davidjanbaz7728 Strawman Fallacy.

[@c-fin]

According to the Catholic Church, animals do have souls but they don’t extend beyond natural death. You’d also have to say that at some point in our evolutionary history, God inserted/activated human souls into our ancestors. Is that line 10,000 years ago? How about 50,000? It’s all speculation with no real answers.

[@rudysimoens570]

​@@davidjanbaz7728 the difference between humans, who are a species of apes, and all the other animals is nothing but a gradual difference but not a fundamental one!

[@adamplentl5588]

​@@davidjanbaz7728 what a stupid comment.

[@tomterrioni7097]

I used to be an Atheist and believe very much like this gentleman but after a break up I was driving as a passenger with my best friend at that time and i jumped out of the car going about 55 mph trying to end the pain if you will.. and i was pronounce dead by the Fire EMTs and a sheet was place over me and I then saw my body and i could move around with out my body and see and hear everyone including my friend who was crying on an older women's shoulder and i later told him every thing she said to him and he was shocked because there is no way i could have heard that even if i was alive because they were half a city block in length away at that time. ..I came back to life after the regular EMTs showed up and shocked me to life but i was said to be dead 2 minutes and 46 seconds but i think it was longer than that.

[@adhienthuch]

❤wow I love listening to this kind of testimonies

[@kaantax8666]

Your brain was just making shit up to make itself feel better. It's funny how when we make studies with thousands of individuals, and some of them say "i had an Out of body experience", they can never say precise details like "what was on the chair in the next room" or "what was under the thing you were lying on" et cetera. It's always "I heard them say 'insert random bullshit' ! How could i have known that ? Magic is real !" Grow tf up.

[@theotherview1716]

They are too certain about their uncertainty, certainly.

[@ruskiny280]

It is stranger than we can think and a closed mind is a dead end. These 2 are dead ends.

[@NunYabiznass-hd6dj]

Or maybe you're being close minded about the non-existence of souls

[@cortical1]

The argument for souls is very similar to the argument for gods. In the history of humankind, there has never been any objective evidence for the existence of either one. Both are constructs invented by people who for centuries have badly wanted to believe in them and who have primate brains that show an irrefutable strong tendency to fill in blanks of missing knowledge with belief in magical beings, superstition, and the supernatural. Split brain phenomena, like that mentioned here, have nothing to do with the question of souls. It's true, the cerebral hemispheres have been shown to each have their own capacity for independent thought, awareness, and consciousness in the context of commissurotomy surgeries and brain damage. Roger Sperry was awarded a Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1981 partly for these discoveries. But consciousness fluctuates and dies with your biology, it does not exist outside neurological mechanisms. Your brain state determines your level of consciousness, such as waking and sleeping, whether you lose consciousness, such as by general aesthesia or damage to your midbrain structures. There is no soul. Only biology gives rise to the mind. 🧠

[@fzr1000981]

"There is no soul" is just a statement of faith. I'm sure you believe the big bang and bacteria morphing into humans over imaginary eons is "fact", too. The spirit transcends the physical body. It is supernatural

[@fzr1000981]

Evidence of the spirit world is there for those with "ears to hear" and "eyes to see". Not the spiritually dead

[@cortical1]

@@fzr1000981 Because concluding that something does exist in the absence of any evidence for its existence has the same evidentiary weight and rational basis as concluding that that thing does not exist in the absence of any evidence. Right. So it's an act of pure faith that you believe you're not a pimple on the butt of a giant purple space frog and people concluding otherwise have no stronger logical standing. Makes perfect sense. 👍🏻

[@fzr1000981]

@@cortical1 the lines of evidence for the scripture are there for those who aren't completely brainwashed by naturalist myths. The universe was clearly engineered and functions on laws that can be expressed mathematically (Einstein), the fossil evidence clearly shows a global mass extinction event, Christ changed the world, Jews have been regathered and Israel will draw the world to war one last time (approximately 2000 years later). The evidence is there, if you believe bacteria morphed into humans by random mutations you live in a disconnected illusion

[@orangemanfascist]

@@cortical1 LOL. These religious folks need to take an intro logic and reasoning class at the local community college. They genuinely don't understand the difference between faith and evidentiary belief.

[@gsp3428]

I think we have pretty good evidence of immaterial things such as thoughts, it seems that if thoughts can and do exist immaterially, the soul or the mind whatever you want to call it, exists. I believe the soul and the mind are the same thing.

[@c-fin]

Thoughts seem to require the brain though. Unless you think thoughts are completely separate from the brain. Also how do “souls” get their identity. If a baby dies a few days after birth, how would its soul be presented? Does it have its adult personality in the afterlife? How could it without a natural life to draw from.

[@vtblda]

You always need some kind of physical support to assure that "thoughts" do exist. If you don't have the neuron network and the right circuits in the brain, I can tell you with a big degree of certainty that thoughts do not exist out of this context.

[@lance7607]

I disagree. Thoughts are material, they are part of the everyday physical activities of our brains. You can have a thought, then say "Oh look, that's immaterial!" But without a brain to generate it, the thought wouldn't exist. Thoughts are not immaterial, they are a part of what our brains do.

[@dexterbodden3655]

Thoughts can't be generated without a brain.

[@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd]

The thought experiment was originally proposed by Frank Jackson as follows: Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black-and-white room via a black-and-white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes or the sky and use terms like "red", "blue", and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal cords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence "The sky is blue." What happens when Mary is released from her black-and-white room or is given a color television monitor? Does she learn anything new or not? Jackson claims that she does.

[@albertdepeal9658]

Do these guys realize how absurd they sound? By denying a soul they relegate all the varied responses we have to the same physical forces to which every brain would be subject in a purely physical existence. I expect they are willing to accept the concept of the existence of an infinite number of universes to explain why this one is so well balanced, or quantum strings vibrating into many dimensions, but the idea of a parallel spiritual dimension in which our free-will soul exists and interfaces via our brains to this physical dimension is just too absurd for them to even consider, even though humanity has perceived a spiritual aspect to our existence since the dawn of time.

[@lrvogt1257]

I like the Edith Ann chairs with the arms up around their shoulders.

[@dustyparker4806]

No proof of a soul? Ha. Show me proof of anger aside from a brain wave on a screen.

[@vvggg12]

Proof? There isn’t even evidence

[@Trapper4265]

I can do that. When I was 12 years old, my mother's drunk boyfriend pulled her, by her hair, down fourteen flights of stairs, then he went downstairs and kicked her repeatedly about the head until she died. Coincidentally, as my siblings and I watched. We witnessed anger from a human being, and he was not monitored by a brain wave machine.

[@dustyparker4806]

@@Trapper4265 I’ll say first off I sincerely am heartbroken to hear that story. Horrible! But what you just described was a sick human with a dark soul. See, a soul is made up of emotion, will and mind. That’s evidence and proof of a soul. Good or bad, we all have one. That person has a dark one. So you just described a soul. The old saying “that dude has no soul” is wrong. A soul can do bad things or good things. That person made choices to drink (will). All that stuff doesn’t die when we die. Can an atheist act that way? Yes. Can a so called religious person act that way?

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Lol, "show me proof of anger... But just not the REAL, VERIFIABLE, OBSERVABLE, QUANTIFIABLE, REPEATABLE proof that I KNOW WE HAVE... (it can't be THAT proof... for some reason...)" Bruh... Show me proof of magnetism... But it CAN'T be magnets attracting metal... for SOME unspecified reason... Show me proof that cork floats in water... But the proof can't be ACTUALLY floating cork in water... for some reason... Tell me you're completely intellectually dishonest and don',t care about truth, without telling me you're dishonest, and don't care about truth... We CAN prove "anger", in a half-dozen different ways; Many DIFFERENT kinds of imagery, on many DIFFERENT machines with screens- fMRI's, catscans, EEG's. (Each totally valid, to anyone who DOES care about truth...) We can also prove it many ways WITHOUT a screen- Blood pressure, heart rate, pulse, breathing rate. Anger produces chemicals in your bloodstream that can be measured... With or without your bizarre, arbitrary "no screens" rule, which was AN ADMISSION THAT YOU KNOW that anger is demonstrable, but souls are indistinguishable from fiction. We've had empirical evidence to discern an angry person, from a calm one, for over a century... So where's the empirical, evidence-bases test (I'll even LET you use a screen...) to discern the person with a good soul, from a bad soul? Or a clean soul, from a sinful soul? Or a saved soul, from unsaved? Or to even show that "the soul" is any more real than Smurfs, or leprechauns, or the magic of freindship?

[@DonTheMoron716]

Anger is fabricated. That’s why and how someone shouting at you can answer their phone with a sweet, “hello.” It’s very much about control and submission.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Tell Dillahunty that you believe that each person has an invisible, 100% undetectable thing inside us, which defines our REAL self, our TRUE identity. And despite the 100% absence of ANY SHRED of empirical evidence, you believe this thing provides a FAR GREATER truth than mere, trivial, verifiable evidence. And that you KNOW all this for fact... because you FEEL it so very deeply. ...and then tell him that this thing is called "YOUR SOUL" and Dillahunty will (rightly, IMO... But hypocritically...) mock you for having such a moronic belief, on such a total garbage standard of evidence... Because you'd need EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, for A RATIONAL person to believe in such a thing... But give him THE EXACT SAME description, word for word, with the ONLY difference being that, instead of being named "your SOUL", the thing you described is now called "YOUR GENDER", and suddenly that belief becomes super-duper-rational, in Matt's eye's. And now it's the people who DON'T accept your 100% unsupported assertion, who are irrational... Dillahunty is EXACTLY as irrational as the theists he acts so smug and superior to; And he holds faith-based beliefs, using an IDENTICAL standard of evidence, to what theists use (a standard that requires ZERO hard, empirical evidence, but where "but it FEEELS true, to me" is """"evidence""" enough for knowledge). Except, Christians or even Muslims aren't dumb/unethical enough, to endorse irreversably chemically sterilizing perfectly healthy children, based on THEIR evidence-free beliefs, like Dillahunty does with HIS 100% evidnce-free, faith-based belief in "gender" nonsense...

[@andreasp3452]

omg such a perfect answer.

[@trevorclapham5571]

You are listening to two people who are perceived as intellectuals. From listening to both of them it appears to me that their ego gets in their way. The result as you mentioned bring out their hypocrisy. They come across as corporate shills. I don’t know if they actually are? Matt is painful to listen to for me.

[@ChristendomForUS]

Matt Daughtry....lol you have no empirical evidence for a spirit for a soul. You Christians are completely ridiculous with your faith based beliefs and having a spirit a soul inside of you. Sorry you didn't reach the burden of proof I'm not convinced you have a soul spirit of God inside of you I'm not convinced it exists. Believer.... But Matt you support severely mutilating children because you believe they have an invisible gender spirit inside of them which causes them to dwell in the wrong body. Also you don't understand the burden of proof I never claimed I can convince you of anything so why would I have a burden of proof to convince you of something I never claimed I can convince you of. Also Matt you're an atheist which means you have a disbelief in God which means even if God was proven by the scientific method you still wouldn't have the willingness or ability to accept God a soul, spirits as true. Matt Daughtry... You're a bigot how could you tell somebody what's inside of their body. How can you tell them down to their soul that they're not a man or a woman are you inside their body do you know what they have inside their body. Also I'm sorry but the burden of proof is as follows , the burden of proof is to the satisfaction of the atheist. Also as an atheist I can say whatever I want and have no burden of proof. For example if I say God doesn't exist God Is a fairytale I would not have any burden of proof to prove that. Believer. But there's not a shred of physical evidence that somebody's born with a brain of a different gender and that body also you just described a spiritual belief. And no the burden of proof is not to the satisfaction of the atheist as you claim burden of proof is to the claim it's that simple. If for example I ask you Matt do you believe the origins of Life came into existence without God and you say yes you have a burden of proof to provide evidence to why you believe that. But you wouldn't have a burden of proof to convince me of that unless you said that you can convince me the origins of life is a result of a non intelligent occurrence rather than a creator. Matt Daughtry.. the idea of the origins of Life coming into existence because of God is a belief in the supernatural. Believer.... Believing the origins of Life came into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence rather than a Creator is supernatural,so what's your point. I'll tell you what Matt I will provide evidence to why I believed in God if you actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God and can provide evidence to why you believe that. If not I'm glad we found commonality neither one of us believes the origins of Life came into existence without God.

[@rodrigoma1350]

The analogy between soul and gender doesn't work because no one is claiming that a gender exists as a concrete thing. Gender is a social construct, and only exists as a function of a brain inside a society. Btw, sex reassignment surgery in minors isn't a thing.

[@ChristendomForUS]

Matt Daughtry.. you Christians are idiots for believing Jesus walked on water you have no physical evidence to prove it. Believer... But Matt you have no physical evidence to prove your belief that in the future thousands and thousands of years from now mankind including your own offspring if they exist can evolve into a cockroach a dinosaur an apple tree and then a lizard that can walk on water all because of environmental reasons like whether diet and natural selection. Matt Daughtry... I believe in the scientific method. People used to believe that lightning was caused by God being angry but now science has proven this isn't true Believer.. yes wonderful Matt but you still haven't responded to my argument

[@astrawboiii1853]

How about people who experience out of the body experiences? There are a lot of testimonies out there.

[@Mr.Goodkat]

People ignore the things which go against their views and shift them out of the way until they find things which support their views at which point they highlight. These guys are as flawed as anyone else, which is a lot, almost no one is free from the above.

[@briansmith3791]

The accounts of those who have 'Breakthrough' experiences in DMT are all very similar. They all recount a Being made of complex geometry. Reminds me of what Roger Penrose said, " The Big Bang did not come from Nothing, it came from incredibly complex geometry, 1: 10^10^124. This is an observable fact".

[@arno_groenewald]

How would one go about disproving in an unbiased manner that a soul or consciousness does not exists, given what have been studied by medical science of physical brain conditions which should render a person unproductive in society, yet repeatedly the events that unfolds in front of those who study the phenomenon? 🤔

[@kendalljones5540]

It seems like they are arguing that the soul has a mind or at least ascribing certain qualities to what a soul is, whereafter the negation of those qualities negates the thing itself. Not sure this is a sound argument.

[@Mr.Goodkat]

Yeah there's multiple flaws in their argument.

[@GrammeStudio]

because no one on the other side has ever properly defined what a soul is. so the duo have to attempt to do the proponents' job. to say that the soul has a mind, is not at all an unfair assumption. it's a steelman at worst. just think about how ridiculous it is to complain that someone is misconstruing that the soul has a mind. "a soul does not have a mind". so it's a zombie? 😂ridiculous!

[@Mr.Goodkat]

@@GrammeStudio Your first paragraph just sounds like someone defending putting words into someone else's mouth, which we all hate having done to us so imo shouldn't do to other's. It's I guess that the soul is your mind/you so it's not like you have two minds, the soul one and brain one, the brain one doesn't exist and that's just our soul we are unknowingly referring to.

[@zizozain]

@ 7:30 'It clearly has to be integrated with the brain'' Serious question: How did you know that?

[@Cuffsmaster]

Well with no proof of a soul to start with, since it is religion not science there is little point in giving it much thought.

[@___Kelli___]

Comfy chairs. I like Sam’s point at the end of the video.

[@ClownCarCoup]

Comfy? My shoulders hurt just watching this! 😂

[@ricardofurchi6980]

Did anyone else get that “The Matrix” vibe? Morpheus and Neo sitting and talking right just before Neo wakes up? lol

[@neilhaverstick1446]

These fellers are simply a buncha chemicals in a bag of water.

[@Alex-lv1ph]

Let’s get these straight. These 2 aren’t claiming to know that souls don’t exist. Simply, they are explaining why they aren’t convinced a soul exists.

[@millenialmusings8451]

If you want to learn patience, listen to sam Harris.

[@OrdoMallius]

What if brain is receiver like a TV? Break a screen/pull a part and picture is fucked up. But the signal is still there unchanged.

[@adamplentl5588]

Yeah if you're just making shit up based on literally nothing I guess that would be a valid supposition.

[@OrdoMallius]

@@adamplentl5588 I am in fact basing it on nothing. Tho I did hear a lot of people making that analogy.

[@adamplentl5588]

@@OrdoMallius wow neat.

[@douglaidlaw740]

Here we go again! Who has the burden of proof? If the "jury" cannot decide, who loses. And what amounts to proof? The answers to both questions are what you want them to be.

[@John76125]

Consciousness and soul are basically interchangeable imo. To me they are synonyms.

[@Anonymous-md2qp]

Consciousness is produced by a brain. If there is no brain, then there is no consciousness. Religitards claim that a soul is separate and continues on without a brain.

[@zanzivar5892]

Desperate to have the "hope"that this is not it. Cannot be.!!! We as a spices refuse to accept the idea...I heard that 90% or so, of species that have existed have gone, dissappeared, on the ball we travel.....we're so special that we gotta be the exception, we should remain, even if unconscious...as a soooul, in liiiimbo, soaring around in orbit with the satellites.....

[@oswinhull4203]

First thought: What the hell are these chairs?

[@grahamblack1961]

They need to address the chair.

[@nefaristo]

7:00 Forgive my body , father, for it has sinned ..

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

Forgive yourself first my son. Then you can present it the spear, and not the open wound.

[@homeostasisrestored4385]

Etymologically speaking we have a "soul". The Koine Greek transliteration is close to the English word "psyche". Do we have an immortal soul/psyche that departs from our mortal anatomy upon brain death? Most likely not.

[@DonTheMoron716]

Oh! I am left handed! No wonder that I think differently.

[@RollCorruption]

I think if you are looking in this way for a Soul and proof of it, you should start all over again. Starting with what a Soul is.

[@starfishsystems]

In science we follow the data. We don't try to lead the data by presupposing what we want to conclude. You can define "soul" all you want, but that doesn't make it real.

[@RollCorruption]

@@starfishsystems again, if by real you mean like an apple is real then of course a soul isn't real. No reasonable person should put forward the idea that a soul has material properties though. Reverting to my original point, it's a misunderstanding of what a soul is if you think science should be able to find it using instruments.

[@tomo2807]

​@@RollCorruptionIf we cannot detect something in any way, we shouldn't say it exists or pretend we understand it's propreties etc.

[@jvalfin3359]

It's easy. Just put the burden of proof on the person claiming a soul, ask them to define it, and when they do, find agreement on what counts as evidence of it, then go look for the evidence. If it's defined such that it is unfalsifiable, the person claiming the soul exists just made it up.

[@rubbertoad3681]

@@jvalfin3359 It is kind of like gender. A man can tell you he feels like a woman. How on earth can they prove that? He can go on and live like he is a woman, just like somebody can go on and live like they have a soul. But for somebody else to have to go along with their beliefs without proof is rather ridiculous.

[@DonTheMoron716]

We do have souls! Empty.

[@albionicamerican8806]

Also souls *_cannot possibly_* be "immortal," because that belief implicitly denies god's omnipotence. Doesn't god have the power to destroy souls?

[@jayb5596]

E=mc². It's the world's most famous equation, but what does it really mean? "Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared." On the most basic level, the equation says that energy and mass (matter) are interchangeable; they are different forms of the same thing. The best scientific measurements we have to date tell us that the universe is made up of the following matter/energy distribution. 68.3% dark energy 26.8% dark matter 4.9% ordinary matter I have an analogy that might help shine light on the correlation between dark matter and ordinary matter. This will help you understand the basis for which a soul may actually exist. Scientist do not know what dark matter is, but we do understand E=mc². If you don't understand how we know dark matter exist I have an analogy for that too. You are on a merry go round but you are a planet so you cannot cheat and hang on using your hands. You can set on the edge in a ball like a planet that is all you can do. You have to rely only on your mass to keep you planted on the merry go round. As I begin to spin the merry go round your body weight/mass resist the force but as I begin to speed up the merry go round increasing the velocity your weight begins to shift and suddenly you fly off the merry go round because your body weight/mass no longer had the gravitational force required to keep you stationary on the moving merry go round. Apply this analogy to dark matter and stars in orbit around their galactic cores to help you understand how we know dark matter exist now just realize dark matter would be your arms extending out grabbing onto the merry go round and preventing your body from flying off the merry go round. In this scenario the arms preventing the stars from flying out of their orbitals into the vacuum of space. We know that matter and energy are different forms of the same thing. So what I want to do now is give you the analogy to help you see a potential dark matter ordinary matter correlation and giving rise to a place for a soul to actually exist. I have a desktop computer consisting of a tower and a monitor. Testing my tower it has a power draw showing at the time of the test 230w while the monitor itself is drawing 43w. I want to get the energy distribution ratio of my setup, so I divide my tower by my monitor. 230/43=5.348837209302326 which means my actual computer tower is drawing roughly 5.3x the energy as my monitor. Now I want to use this and pretend for a moment that ordinary matter represents pixel energy. So I simply plug in my power ratio above. 4.9 x 5.348837209302326 = 26.2093023255814 okay cool that is really close to the ratio of dark matter to ordinary matter. Now lets use our scientific measurements to get the true ratio according to our best scientific measurements to date. 26.8/4.9=5.469387755102041 Now if this were a simulation you have a good way of consciously pondering where a soul could actually reside. You may picture ordinary matter as pixel energy and dark matter as internalized pixel energy in binary format. Then you might realize that dark energy represents the power contained inside the circuitry of the machine producing our simulation and ordinary matter represents the pixel energy. In this analogy dark matter represents the energy of the tower (desktop pc) 230w (dark matter) 26.8% and the monitor represents ordinary matter 43w (ordinary matter) 4.9% and well that leaves the physical hardware of the machine as you guessed it dark energy. As you addon to a server it gains more power and more space generally speaking. What is a backup image? Image-based backup creates a copy of an operating system and all the data associated with it, including the system state and application configurations. The backup is saved as a single file called an image. God said "let us make man in our image, after our likeness" And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

[@tonytrejo1882]

We as human beings are super intelligent, and there are people who gather info and try to convince us of to go agsinst on some things we believe in. Let's remember that having a soul comes from believing in God. So there is a lot of mystery in God. But with faith, it all makes sense. No matter how intelligent any given human is, no human comes close to God's intelligence and His ways of being. I feel that I know I live in a body with life that way biology teaches us, but also have a soul that God made me and place me on earth with my human body.

[@matthewbesson5367]

What happened to the big chairs?! We ordered big chairs!

[@SoulThrashingBlackSorcery]

Global consciousness project contradicts this notion all together

[@ubiquinoxxrosiles2766]

No soul but life. I cant have a soul, but i do have a body. I can use my brain and body. And everything that comes with it. Although i cant use the soul. But i am alive. By being in this body and using this mind. Which is really not me. Cuz body and mind is basically a Tool. Theres no soul, but there is Life. still no one understands the life that we are.

[@theboombody]

Remember when we had no proof of time dilation? I don't because I wasn't alive then, but yeah....

[@NunYabiznass-hd6dj]

Yeah that's how science works, you don't assume something exists, you make a hypothesis and try to disprove it

[@geraldstiling3735]

Absence of evidence,is not evidence of absence.🧠

[@kaantax8666]

This quote is only valid for scientific things, not by magical religious bullshit. Carl Sagan was a scientist, who opposed stupid ideologies like religions.

[@ahhcmon9604]

A soul is our life force it's the electricity's that keeps us alive

[@NunYabiznass-hd6dj]

No, ATP is what keeps us alive, souls are fictional until someone can actually present any evidence to back up such a wild claim

[@TheWayOfRespectAndKindness]

The argument has been going on since humanity became self aware. Buddha argued with the Brahmin about the existence of the Atman (soul). Yet the concept of a soul persists.

[@briansmith3791]

Good point. I believe there is a point of 'awareness' within each human, but it is not personal. It's an identical 'spark' in everyone. A spark of a non-Religious Creator, an Observer, experiencing Life in this reality through us. I'm not sure if Buddhism or Hinduism would agree.

[@marioceva7163]

You are a soul.

[@grayhamgrayhamson1466]

They’ll just say there are two souls in that particular body

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

That which splits you into death will often try to occupy you, and get the job done early. Hence possession.

[@grayhamgrayhamson1466]

@@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME can you rephrase that? I don’t really know wtf you’re talking about

[@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME]

​@@grayhamgrayhamson1466 Sorry, I meant to say that if you think you have two souls instead of one it could be a split personality situation first and foremost. If it's not, I'd investigate within oneself what or who this other soul is. If it's neither, it's death, looking to settle early.

[@grayhamgrayhamson1466]

@@REX-HOMINIS-THE-GAME in the video they are talking about people who as a result of an operation end up with two separate personalities. One can be atheist one theist. I’m saying that theists will claim with no evidence that these people have two souls.

[@jasonbecker4974]

Say what you will on this topic, but I think we can all agree that these are really enormous chairs they are sitting in.

[@user-kv5cw1tl5m]

Why don’t you all read Περί Ψυχής (Perí Psychís) from Aristotle and then do the debate again packed with the scientific proofs that do exist about the potential of the existence of our conscience outside the space-time continuum

[@Jay-wr1wh]

Those chairs are massive.

[@alexdawe-le4vj]

Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, I read "The End of Faith", followed it to the last few chapters, then I was out of my league, I'm not educated like that

[@briansmith3791]

So you maybe didn't get to the chapter where Harris attempted to bring the use of torture to the discussion table? Or first-use nuclear bombs? Little monster.

[@speclove1]

I do have a soul because it is always being sucked out of me😂

[@SoarLong]

a certified weird flex but my response is "okay" lol

[@thomaskeys180]

The big takeaway: chairs

[@sam7bam]

Clicked only to comment that those chairs are absurd.

[@lauriemaitiq8957]

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. Genesis 2:7 KJV 📖♥️ And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Psalm 103:14 KJV 📖♥️ For He knoweth our frame; He remembereth that we are dust. 1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV 📖♥️ And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Matthew 10:28 KJV 📖♥️ And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

[@martynblackburn9632]

Religion is propaganda.

[@717shred]

What about the phenomenon of very young kids who can remember their past life in detail about the people they were and its proven to be accurate? Reincarnation is apart of Judaism and Buddhism.

[@sonpollo8995]

“there is no soul” and we can’t be bothered to look for it.

[@Anonymous-md2qp]

You can’t look for an imaginary concept.

[@sonpollo8995]

@@Anonymous-md2qp That's exactly what SH is doing. His false belief that consciousness arises from material matter. He's an atheist materialist ideologue, not a pragmatist whose beliefs are grounded in evidence.

[@aceheart5828]

Anthony Flew used radio waves to describe the soul and the cell phone to describe the body..... So lets use that analogy..... If the phone doesn't work properly, the display on the screen may not match the audio.... So you may have duality If there are multiple signals being recieved by the phone, two or more channels being received by the apparatus it could display different screens with different content.... Again creating duality..... Hence how do we know that duality doesn't originate in the soul, meaning the soul has multiple dimensions or desires within itself and different parts of the brain reflect the dimensions which originate within the soul ..... And if we can demonstrate the matter with a cellphone and radio waves in a logical and comprehensive way than its not beyond the realm of possibility..... Hence the explanation by both Sam and Matt demonstrate little to me..... Far more profound to me are the words of the Qur'an.... "They ask you regarding the soul ( O Mohammed), Say ' It is from amongst the affairs of my Lord and you have uncovered but little regarding it' " ( ....and with this one statement,..... the matter is largely concluded.... )

[@juanitamartinez279]

🤔😳 we are energy. Spirit. Our spirit energy gives life to the body. When we are born. 😳 when the body dies its because. Our energy leaves the body. Just imagine. Its like. A QUANTUM LEAP. 😳🤔

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

Juanita: Well said!

[@brianc939]

Ok....why did they use those chairs that are gigantic

[@michaeledwards4715]

The creator," Jehovah, made you with a soul a spirit and a body ...face reality.. fear God and live!