I DON'T CARE ABOUT JORDAN PETERSON'S METOPHORICAL TRUTH! Matt Dillahunty

[@Pangburn]

Full discussion here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3TRqmqqarOlecksi=ldA_EvLaF8IweK94

[@reveivl]

"Deeply thought through" "coherent explanation"? Peterson? I don't think so. Coherent is the last thing he is.

[@CoolPigeon98]

That's just the en vogue thing to say

[@jamesthecat]

​@@CoolPigeon98Except here it's y'know, coherent and well thought-through...

[@janrunetitt]

'He has a name only he knows.' It means he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. If the vision is true, 'he has a name only he knows' is it true he arrives first and the world can only arrive after, or is it metaphorically true? If it is true and not metaphorically true. Why do you choose to talk about metaphorical truths? Shouldn't we be talking about how you all lose? 'Religion is not based on historical truth,' says Wittgenstein. 'I am he that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open,' says God in Revelation. Can belief open the door the truth closes? No. Can belief close the door the truth opens? No. Can the truth close the door belief opens? Yes. Can the truth open the door belief closes? Yes. Who am I that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open, belief or the truth? Is it true the truth has this attribute and not belief. Or is it a metaphorical truth? If God brainwash people, who brainwash those who see metaphorical truth? 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' What has this attribute, the truth or belief? What is social hypnosis? Is it fair to say, everyone who says, this is the definition of belief, are under a spell? If anyone was not under a spell, would it not be self-evident, this is truth and not belief? Who has brainwashed all of you to see belief where there is none? Christ can only have one beginning, blue 12.11. Christ can only have one end, blue 2.1 to blue 12/12. Blue 12.11 has two baskets, and in each basket there are two apples. How many apples does blue 12.11 have? Blue 6 says, four apples. Red 6 says, he is deceiving you, it's based on belief. Has blue 6 uttered a metaphorical truth, or is it reality and truth? And what even is a metaphorical truth? I don't think I have every said in my entire life, 'well it's metaphorically true.' As I understand it, things are either true or false, and we use metaphors to illustrate. I never heard of anything being metaphorically true. Is that like, me imagine I am the President, and I can fly. Then you say, you are not the President, nor can you fly. And I say, no, but it's metaphorically true. Let me give you a useful story about Superman. Kal El comes to earth, his father sends him in his spaceship. Imagine that part is true, but he does not actually fly by the power of his imagination. Which are stories that have circulated about him and become part of his story. Mr. Flying Pants: You fly around all the time, between study, work, and doing the dishes. I don’t see any difference between you flying around and Superman. Disbeliever: Exactly! Kal El: There is the ship in my barn and the crystals. This comedy has been going on for decades now. Who understands the parable? Both Mr. Flying Pants and Disbeliever are both equally deluded. They both believe in a false positive. Peterson says, if predators are real, how is dragon not real? Disbeliever says, predators are not real, because dragons are not real. Both are deluded. They are both wrong! The disbeliever says, walking on water is not real, therefore Christ cannot appear. That is a false positive. Kal El is not real, because flying by the power of imagination is not real. That is a false positive. And you learn that when you check Clark Kent's barn, and you find the ship and the crystals. Then you see you were right about flying by the power of imagination, but you were wrong about him not being from above. You were wrong about him not being separated from humanity. You were wrong about his identity cannot be known, and you were wrong about his claim cannot be verified. That is a metaphorical truth. It's metaphorically true that I am Superman. It's actually true that I am Christ. Why should you care about this metaphorical truth? Because it's simply a mirror of the actual truth. But if I claimed this proves that I am from an alien planet. Then I would confuse the metaphorical truth, the reflection of Christ in Superman, with reality. Superman is a metaphorical truth to Christ. My parents didn't send me from Krypton. That is not the point of the story. The point is that Christ is separated from the world, and identifiable. And Superman a fictional character, mirrors what is true about Christ. This mirror is metaphorical. I am real! If he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. Is he metaphorically separated, or actually separated from the world? He is actually separated. If Kal El was sent here by his father in his spaceship, is he metaphorically separated or is he actually separated? He is actually separated, but he can only be a metaphorical truth, because he is pure fiction. Confusing me with pure fiction, is delusion, not enlightenment! I exist in the real world and speak for myself, Superman cannot do that. That is how you know I am real and he is fiction. And if people don't care about metaphorical truth, which is at least useful. What about metaphorically false? Perry White and Christ are metaphorically false.

[@Dreamtime_958]

peterson thinks his "meta truths" come from our higher mind, but if you compare his "meta truth" to chimpanzee culture etc, it fits perfectly..... hierarchy, patriarchy, authority. petersons "meta truth" is really just his reptile brain winning the argument.

[@RM-jb2bv]

@@reveivl You should write a book seeing as how you are a genius and way smarter than JP. Your comment alone would sell a million copies. You’re awesome!

[@nobiwan13]

Jordan is a good example of making the water muddy to make the water seem deep.

[@janrunetitt]

'He has a name only he knows.' It means he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. If the vision is true, 'he has a name only he knows' is it true he arrives first and the world can only arrive after, or is it metaphorically true? If it is true and not metaphorically true. Why do you choose to talk about metaphorical truths? Shouldn't we be talking about how you all lose? 'Religion is not based on historical truth,' says Wittgenstein. 'I am he that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open,' says God in Revelation. Can belief open the door the truth closes? No. Can belief close the door the truth opens? No. Can the truth close the door belief opens? Yes. Can the truth open the door belief closes? Yes. Who am I that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open, belief or the truth? Is it true the truth has this attribute and not belief. Or is it a metaphorical truth? If God brainwash people, who brainwash those who see metaphorical truth? 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' What has this attribute, the truth or belief? What is social hypnosis? Is it fair to say, everyone who says, this is the definition of belief, are under a spell? If anyone was not under a spell, would it not be self-evident, this is truth and not belief? Who has brainwashed all of you to see belief where there is none? Christ can only have one beginning, blue 12.11. Christ can only have one end, blue 2.1 to blue 12/12. Blue 12.11 has two baskets, and in each basket there are two apples. How many apples does blue 12.11 have? Blue 6 says, four apples. Red 6 says, he is deceiving you, it's based on belief. Has blue 6 uttered a metaphorical truth, or is it reality and truth? And what even is a metaphorical truth? I don't think I have every said in my entire life, 'well it's metaphorically true.' As I understand it, things are either true or false, and we use metaphors to illustrate. I never heard of anything being metaphorically true. Is that like, me imagine I am the President, and I can fly. Then you say, you are not the President, nor can you fly. And I say, no, but it's metaphorically true. Let me give you a useful story about Superman. Kal El comes to earth, his father sends him in his spaceship. Imagine that part is true, but he does not actually fly by the power of his imagination. Which are stories that have circulated about him and become part of his story. Mr. Flying Pants: You fly around all the time, between study, work, and doing the dishes. I don’t see any difference between you flying around and Superman. Disbeliever: Exactly! Kal El: There is the ship in my barn and the crystals. This comedy has been going on for decades now. Who understands the parable? Both Mr. Flying Pants and Disbeliever are both equally deluded. They both believe in a false positive. Peterson says, if predators are real, how is dragon not real? Disbeliever says, predators are not real, because dragons are not real. Both are deluded. They are both wrong! The disbeliever says, walking on water is not real, therefore Christ cannot appear. That is a false positive. Kal El is not real, because flying by the power of imagination is not real. That is a false positive. And you learn that when you check Clark Kent's barn, and you find the ship and the crystals. Then you see you were right about flying by the power of imagination, but you were wrong about him not being from above. You were wrong about him not being separated from humanity. You were wrong about his identity cannot be known, and you were wrong about his claim cannot be verified. That is a metaphorical truth. It's metaphorically true that I am Superman. It's actually true that I am Christ. Why should you care about this metaphorical truth? Because it's simply a mirror of the actual truth. But if I claimed this proves that I am from an alien planet. Then I would confuse the metaphorical truth, the reflection of Christ in Superman, with reality. Superman is a metaphorical truth to Christ. My parents didn't send me from Krypton. That is not the point of the story. The point is that Christ is separated from the world, and identifiable. And Superman a fictional character, mirrors what is true about Christ. This mirror is metaphorical. I am real! If he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. Is he metaphorically separated, or actually separated from the world? He is actually separated. If Kal El was sent here by his father in his spaceship, is he metaphorically separated or is he actually separated? He is actually separated, but he can only be a metaphorical truth, because he is pure fiction. Confusing me with pure fiction, is delusion, not enlightenment! I exist in the real world and speak for myself, Superman cannot do that. That is how you know I am real and he is fiction. And if people don't care about metaphorical truth, which is at least useful. What about metaphorically false? Perry White and Christ are metaphorically false.

[@hitokiribattousai111]

Brilliant analogy.

[@davidkeulen7006]

There's a huge chance that Jp has read a lot more Nietzsche than you do, the guy who you quoted.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@davidkeulen7006 I haven't read any Nietzsche, it doesn't make JP any deeper or any more intelligent, or most of his ramblings any less nonsensical

[@OceanusHelios]

@@davidkeulen7006 There is a good chance that JP fans consume way too many doritos and mountain dew in their mommy's basement and are involuntarily celibate.

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

Ask Jordan Peterson what time it is. Four hours later, after he's explained in great detail how to build a clock, you might come to the conclusion that Jordan Peterson didn"t actually know what time it was when you asked him.

[@mookmook5715]

Great analogy

[@pineapplepenumbra]

"after he's explained in great detail how to build a clock," Don't be daft; his waffling won't be that constructive. He might talk about how important, or not, clocks were to ancient cultures, and what does "time" actually mean, but building a clock that's any more complex than a sundial? I doubt it.

[@richstwart2079]

Always a long drawn out convoluted answer to a simple question

[@richstwart2079]

Always a long drawn out convoluted answer to a simple question

[@timboneesono]

anecdotal but everyone I've interacted with who likes Peterson has never watched or read Hitchens

[@you_cant_see_me123]

The issue with people like Peterson is that they want to stick to cold hard facts on most of the issues but when it comes to religion all of a sudden it's about "metaphorical sub-straits".

[@deckhero5363]

@@you_cant_see_me123 Yup. I saw him as a legend dismantling those transgender / woke theories until I saw some of his more recent rubbish :(

[@RM-jb2bv]

Yeah you’re smarter than everyone. Only you have read a book. No one else. You’re smarter than Jordan Peterson also. You have it backward btw. Most people who listen to Hitchens have never heard Peterson or anyone else who has a more thoughtful take on Christianity than ‘muh sky daddy.’ Peterson and Hitch aren’t even in the same league intellectually. That’s why Hitch only took on fundamentalists and mental midgets with his atheism crusade and made only superficial arguments. Bc he appealed to arrogant liberals like you who already know everything by virtue of being awesome.

[@RM-jb2bv]

@@you_cant_see_me123substrate. The word is substrate. The issue with you is that you think you know everything. Worse, is that you haven’t even bothered to make an effort to challenge your own point of view, which is almost completely uninformed and a product of your own ego and arrogance.

[@CoolPigeon98]

Happy to meet you

[@tombernot9842]

Machiavelli was right, "good" will die when "evil" dies. JP has a strong vocabulary and the gift of rhetoric. Listen closely, he has poor logic. Debating him is pure theatre.

[@TheFesta01]

This ^^^

[@ThoughtCriminal_1984]

Nailed it..... he has more twists than a pretzel...

[@tombernot9842]

@@ThoughtCriminal_1984 Let's go viral. I'm tired of JP and his ridiculous rhetoric. Matt is no better. He plays along.

[@RM-jb2bv]

Yes you are way smarter. What arrogance. That’s the size of it. That’s why your ears are fortified against your established views, which are mostly ignorant.

[@ThoughtCriminal_1984]

@@RM-jb2bv projecting?

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

If you don't like abortion don't have one. If you're not the one who is pregnant, it's none of your damn business unless that person makes it your business.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

I'm pro choice, personally. But this argument makes zero sense, from the "pro-life"/anti-abortion perspective. You understand that pro-lifers are making a MORAL argument, that considers a fetus as "a person", right? (You don't have to AGREE with them; I don't agree with them... But I at least UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR POSITION IS...) You're argument, from a pro-life perspective, is 100% identical to someone saying "Well, if you're anti-murder, then just don't murder anyone!!! Simple!! But it's none of your business, to stop ME from murdering people!!" Do you think anyone would find that a persuasive reason to stop opposing murder? (Again, I'M not saying that abortion is the same as murder; I just understand that's an inevitable conclusion of the pro-life position, that the value of human life is innate from conception). And the idea that ANYONE opposes abortion, because they (somehow?) believe that THEY will be (somehow?) compelled to undergo one, is just bizarre. Get out of you echo chamber, dude. You're arguing against a strawman that you created, because you don't understand the basics, of one of the most common, mainstream beliefs around. I'm pro-choice, but the pro-lifers are more rational than YOU, on this.

[@MasterChakra7]

The issue about abortion, from a completely irreligious perspective, is to determine when exactly do we attribute the same value to a baby that we do to any other human being. If it's not ok to murder it after it exited the womb, why would it be ok 1 hour before when it's still there ? It's the exact same individual, only its location changed. The question then becomes, when *exactly* in their past is the limit that once crossed, this developing individual loses all value and it becomes perfectly moral to murder them. If we're talking about the 90% of abortion cases, that are abortions of convenience and not life-threatening/consequence of rape, it seems to me that the only moral position one could take in regards to terminating pregnancy would be before we detect brain activity in the fetus. But this is not what most people advocate for abortion. They advocate for all possible abortions, and it just doesn't work ethically.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

@MasterChakra7 Again, if you don't like abortion, don't have one. Otherwise it's none of your business.

[@bubbleworld4172]

​@@user-gk9lg5sp4y Should anyone be allowed to have an abortion at any time, even hours before the due date? If so, why shouldn't it be allowed to kill the child shortly after birth?

[@BobHoskins905]

@@user-gk9lg5sp4y Missing the point. Shallow understanding of this topic. Embarrassing.

[@TheRabidPanda]

The last question about what you would do without religion is really sad. You could tell in her voice she couldn't imagine life without.

[@Sean-gh1op]

Well is this the case that we continue to create this type of sadness in people or do we start to introduce atheism and re-label God with the term archetype? It may save a lot of grey matter in my objective opinion

[@pavel9652]

She was under stress, but another thing is that people often invent own religions. Two examples: 1) Soviet Union replaced religion with cult of their leader, the same is happening in NK. 2) In the United States, the religiosity in biblical belt seems to be inversly correlated with spirituality and new age religions. In other words people replace mainstream belief with some other spiritual mumbo jumbo.

[@Sean-gh1op]

@@pavel9652 yeh it's the difference between a sheep and a beast

[@Rain-Dirt]

This is the case for many religious people. One builds their worlds around and on it. For over 30 years I used to be in that position, but luckily I managed to break through the bubble. It makes it sometimes very hard to reason or to have an honest conversation about a certain subject. The bubble is something that seem to demand protection. A lot of the religious texts have systems in them in order to do so. Praying is one of those things. It helps to protect the bubble.

[@eyebinmcranda4871]

The problem she is imaging without religion is seeing problems as actual problems that need to be tackled. If you can pray or have faith that things will be okay and that there is a plan, then you don’t really need to worry about all the bad in the world. It’s a matter of actually dealing with real world problems and not having the crutch of say, “God has plan”. That is what seems like a gap. This gap can be filled by actually having a functioning society.

[@bt5029]

We need to create a new lie? Why? Because we cant handle the truth. That is what religion does is provides a pallitable "truth" that is not true at all but is comforting

[@bubbleworld4172]

what is the truth?

[@maxdougherty3429]

wrong: "Nor in fact was there ever a legislator who, in introducing extraordinary laws to a people, did not have recourse to God, for otherwise they would not have been accepted, since many benefits of which a prudent man is aware, are not so evident to reason that he can convince others of them. Hence wise men, in order to escape this difficulty, have recourse to God"

[@christophergreen6595]

​@maxdougherty3429 that's just saying that the wise man pretends to believe if he want to be treated with respect by his neighbors

[@RM-jb2bv]

You know the “truth?” The 100 billion humans before you couldn’t figure it out. Just you.

[@bt5029]

​@bubbleworld4172 You don't know what the truth is?

[@stanleyhyde8529]

When someone is more interested in quibbling over the meaning of the words leading up to the thing they're actually being asked about, I can't help but wonder if they actually believe in anything.

[@Rain-Dirt]

What do you mean?

[@MaKi-e3h]

​@@Rain-Dirt Probably that they'll be able to shift the narrative just based on how they want to interpret word any given time. Sure there are many circumstances where things change meaning like what "peace" means, whether it's in lack of war or some kind of inner feeling, where Jordan Peterson changes meaning of what belief is, in this very theoretically and philosophically important debate. If you're able to worm out of every talking point by changing the meaning of the thing you just described earlier, then you're not really a believer of said thing, you believe in some kind of shape shifter. He's talking about truth and yet he's ascribing to so much in a belief, then claiming the opposite is having false sense of truth because they choose not to believe in fairy tales. So he professes in not believing in truth while claiming otherwise, and that opponents don't believe in it. It's just "I'm right and you're wrong, why? Because I said so." him acting like though very well read daddy who just KNOWS things without being able to express it in a way that would make sense to someone who doesn't exactly share same world view as him.

[@stanleyhyde8529]

@Rain-Dirt JP seems to be more interested in arguing about the meaning of words like "is" and "how" when asked about difficult subjects. So much of what he says comes off as a distraction from what's actually being discussed.

[@stanleyhyde8529]

@@MaKi-e3h Well said

[@Rain-Dirt]

@@MaKi-e3h I agree with those words.

[@Homo_sapiens_sapien]

JP is simply intellectually dishonest. His words are meaningless because there is nothing serious that can come from faith based beliefs

[@bt5029]

JP was dropped on his head as a child. Prove me wrong

[@mikejurisic]

JP is real? I thought he was just bad AI

[@brettallen7632]

His hair is quite springy so he may have bounced. Flipped. And hit his head again.

[@eaglescott17]

Before we answer that, we need to know what the definition of "dropped is. What the definition of head is. What does it mean to be "as a child". What do you mean by wrong? We need to know these things if we're going to get to the brass tax on this topic, because I don't actually want to answer the question. 🤣

[@douglascutler1037]

Jordan Peterson sometimes lends support to purity culture and male abstinence. Meanwhile, the SCIENCE says regular outflow from the prostate gland for any reason REDUCES RISK OF PROSTATE CANCER later in life.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

To be fair, not having sex and not wanking are 2 different things, but, it seems, much that JP talks about has no scientific basis, and, sometimes, quite the reverse.

[@douglascutler1037]

@@pineapplepenumbra Purity culture is about purity of thought and deed, so . . . But agreed, Peterson's relationship to scientific method is entirely tenuous. This is never more evident than when he deigns to pontificate on the science of climate change (no biggie in his view), when he himself has ZERO professional accreditation in any hard science. Even his go to 'science' reference on climate change, Bjorn Lomborg, has ZERO professional accreditation in any hard science; Lomborg's degree is in political science.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@douglascutler1037 Oh, I see what you mean now. Then he's a blithering idiot.

[@zaphodbebop105]

“Center left” lol He means solid right.

[@OmegaFalcon]

I think it's s very powerful idea that metaphorical truths ARE reality and even more real *for us* than some physical realities

[@Francis-m2d]

I guess that might be true if your grasps on physical realities is really, really weak.

[@OmegaFalcon]

@Francis-m2d Don't shoot down the idea so flippantly. Why shouldn't we consider some metaphorical truths real? If your brain constructs the world through metaphors, and that's done through real physical processes in your brain, doesn't that suggest that the metaphors can be expressions of *real* complex patterns in the world?

[@Francis-m2d]

@@OmegaFalcon I just think it's a lot more complicated than that...and on the other hand, people are capable of conjuring up just about anything and calling it read. So I would take metaphoric truths with a grain of salt.

[@OmegaFalcon]

@@Francis-m2d sure, you can't just take anything someone thinks up at face value and call it truth

[@Rain-Dirt]

They are as real as lies are real too. We utter them, therefore their existence is real, but it does not mean it reflects reality.

[@claytonyoung5005]

I get a kick out of people like Dillahunty, Hitchens and Sam Harris who have appointed themselves as bearers of ultimate truths while dismissing, attacking and belittling all ideas that are contrary to their own concepts and perceptions. Is that not what so many religious and organized religious bodies they are so opposed to are actually are guilty of? Perhaps the pursuit of ultimate truth and meaning should be approached with less pride, arrogance and out of control ego mania.

[@fabjtown1]

Or they simply dominate your hero’s and have yet to be defeated in arguments. Not based on their opinion. Based on truth itself.

[@cookiescraftscats]

You don’t sound amused.

[@robertpearson5410]

There is so much to discover and learn that it's hard for me to see how anyone could not have passion for what they do, unless they are deprived of the ability to pursue their interests. I have no idea why passion for life has to be dependent on a supernatural being.

[@ericwilliams1659]

"I don't think" all i need to hear.

[@eliotanderson6554]

Guys pls come to india we have lot of discussions and debates here

[@BMFstudiosNYC]

But are those debates productive and what is being debated? Because India has a ton of problems that still aren't being addressed.

[@suzannemckenzie7035]

What a pittance of acknowledgement of Jordan considering he's had people's minds under his control.

[@poloticsfunny1125]

Matt is great

[@jonathanstewart7838]

Amusing even Murray is reduced to spouting crap in defence of Peterson's religiosity. The metaphor of Woody Allen is a a conceit a theatrical flourish to cover up the lack of substance in the existence of God. It's a fact that those who went to university don't have the arch to the bridge either no more than the well read Allen. No one does we are all still stuck in the allegory of Socrates's cave. This doesn't mean we have to make stuff up we should instead try to work stuff out. Both Murray and Peterson are a dead end in enlightened thinking it goes nowhere simply an exercise in gobbledygook and complexity.

[@jasonloader8149]

Yep. I've watched zillions of religious debates and they're more or less the same depending on the apologist. The atheist's argument is always understandable, logical and to the point while the apologist just throws up clouds of faux philosophical chaff or tries to wrestle in a mud bath of semantics. The tactic is painfully obvious and Murray is doing it here.

[@eliotanderson6554]

2:15 peter jordanson 😂😂 He is just trying to secularise in fear of foriegn ifluence of eastern traditions

[@dushyantchaudhry4654]

A deep longing like say Carl Sagan is so much more beautiful than the lack of it due to a load of garbage in your head. To quote Feynman.. he was much happier knowing that he does know something than in believing something incorrect.

[@Raoul684]

"I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."

[@dushyantchaudhry4654]

@Raoul684 ah yes. Thanks for the correction.

[@ChrisHamberg-ok2cz]

JP isn't a scientist.

[@stevenfraser1842]

That depends on what you mean by "Jordan"

[@Jules_73]

When your arguments are nothing but philosophical word salad, there's no reason to care what comes out of his mouth. He's like a Fox news "reporter" trying to record a 2 second gotcha clip.

[@HenryvanElch]

He's a quack. That's what he is.

[@Susu.vip670]

J P is MAGA

[@arturolaris6202]

That’s it. 😂

[@dajusta87]

Matt doesn't see the vacuum of the non-religious? Partly because he has a trans boyfriend, is totally ok with 1000000 pronouns, says he has morals, then turns around and says morals are subjective. With one breath alone, Matt basically rejects absolute moral truth and then turns around to revel in his self-absorbed worship of himself. That is the belief system of Matt Dillahunty. He doesn't see the religious vacuum because he's so convinced that his self worship is simply material and not egoistic at all.

[@jamesdean6660]

It's like watching two Shakespeare critics talking about Shakespeare, but we know Shakespeare was cleverer than either of them, and knew his own work better. Not saying JP is up there with Shakespeare, but he might as well be as far as these clowns can see.

[@Rain-Dirt]

I'd never would ask someone to drop their faith, but I would advocate for respecting other people's boundaries and learning what it means to be human. To recognize who we are as humans and start from there, not from a religion or culture. That way I think religion/culture can perfectly remain in the world while at the same time not causing as much conflict as it already has. I was very religious once and despite aknowledging the dangers of it, I would not like to see it dissapear. I think religion is a perfect way of helping to understand ourselves throughout history and in our own life. Religion says something crucial about humans. If we can all just keep respect with the focus of helping to create a better world and quality of life for everyone, not just a select few (wether that be the elite or a particular religion or atheists!).

[@pineapplepenumbra]

You said: "To recognize who we are as humans and start from there, not from a religion or culture." But your first sentence was: "I'd never would ask someone to drop their faith" But with many people, their faith is all, or it demands to be all, so in order for them to recognise who we are as humans would need them to drop their faiths.

[@Rain-Dirt]

@@pineapplepenumbra I see your point, but I think both can exist as the same time. Extremism is what needs to be eradicated and one can be religious but not extreme. Religion has been brought forth from humans, thus contains human stuff, stuff that can connect us with people who do not adhere to the religion, because of it being part of who we are as humans. If that makes sense?

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@Rain-Dirt "Extremism is what needs to be eradicated and one can be religious but not extreme." Agreed, but some beliefs demand extremism. "Religion has been brought forth from humans, thus contains human stuff" Yes, but, bizarrely, much of it is anti what is essentially human, and even as a little kid, that shit bothered me, and was part of the reason I couldn't fall for the pap of so called "christianity" despite being taken to church from the year dot. It made out that being normal and human was a problem, and then pretended that they had a solution to the fake problem, a solution that was only "proven" after death, which was too bloody convenient. Passing these gaslighting belief systems onto others should be illegal.

[@Rain-Dirt]

@@pineapplepenumbra I find that within religion there is an attempt to an answer in terms of finding ways to deal with reality (the surroundings, enviremont, culture, social structures), which made sense and helped when it was developing. Today too people find strength in it regarding dealing with their own life and reality, just like back in the day. It serves that purpose. To the kind hearted or people with good will, it can be beneficial. It's when fear and hate gets involved, extremism can arise (which is also true imho outside religion). Religion does seem to be an easy pathway to channel those bad qualities through. I am not a believer of the idea that religion all started by people who wanted control over others (minds). In a sense religion is certainly about control, but of one's own life. Funny enough, what god really is, is a transactional security for fear of what is not certain or unknown. That is inherent to practically the whole of humanity, wouldn't you agree? I am btw also convinced we can never get rid of extremism to whatever extend. From what I know of history it seems that progress tends to happen slowly with one step forward, 2 steps back, 1 step forward, 2 steps back... sorta pace.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@Rain-Dirt "To the kind hearted or people with good will, it can be beneficial." If all "christians" had been like my mum then these channels wouldn't exist, and my only problem would have been having Sunday mornings (and, possibly, time in school, but maybe not) stolen by that boring yet offensive rubbish. However, it is clear that the evil inflicted by religions/cults far outweighs the good. "I am not a believer of the idea that religion all started by people who wanted control over others" I agree. It almost certainly started as an attempt to explain things that seemed inexplicable, but all too soon, cunning people realised that they could turn it to their advantage. "what god really is, is a transactional security for fear of what is not certain or unknown." Yes, but it's all too often supplanting what is known, with damaging nonsense. "That is inherent to practically the whole of humanity, wouldn't you agree?" Fewer and fewer as time goes by and more people learn more. The main sticking point is the cult of islam. "I am btw also convinced we can never get rid of extremism" The only ways may be even worse than the extremism.

[@tracewallace23]

"Religions convince you that you're poisoned (original sin/animalistic urges), and then offer you the homeopathic remedy (MLM's and meditations for the sinner's spirit) ie Their interpreted version of religion 🤷🏻‍♂️ That sounds about right to me. Except🤔 It's even worse, because then they ALL tell you that "Only Their (homeopathic remedy) religion is the one "True Path", and that Any/All other religions (including None), are not only "Not Good Enough", but is such a bad choice that you will suffer more than you could ever imagine not only during this life, but for all eternity without end 😵‍💫 and most (if not now, then later) will tell you that you should be willing and able to help "remove any and all competition" 🤯 Killing to please the Almighty🙄😱 I mean really WTF 😳 SMH

[@echowentz5717]

They do not all say that though. My church literally has a banner up with religious symbols and the words: ‘God is too big to fit into one religion.’

[@Traverser17]

Yeah, not ALL religious groups are like that, but I agree that this aspect of religions is terrible. It is far too common and should not exist at all.

[@echowentz5717]

@@Traverser17 Well since it is just a thought it technically does NOT exist at all. 😂😂😂

[@jeffreylong1478]

Even truth itself is a metaphor

[@OceanusHelios]

Gibberish deepity nonsense.

[@stephencowie696]

People keep saying that JP doesnt have a coherent message, he absolutely does, its skydaddy magic and cavemen = anyone not a "man" cant have rights - it manosphere/Incel garbage with big words inbetween. He doesnt have to say it outright - he just has to include phrasing and conclusions that dogwhistle to his audience (i call this the Tucker method)... and then claim to be moderate.

[@IziahThompson]

That British guy just made a bunch of things up. You know less about culture and literature if you go to school? Really? Everything is deconstructed? Lmao yeah because the average young person is reading Deluze, Derrida, Fucoult, and Heidengger. Just stop. His answer made zero sense. It clarified nothing about Petersons arguments. Nor did he contend with any of Dillihanty's comments. He had that answer ready, along with the irrelevant Habermas quote, and didn't listen to anything that was said. I think he gets away with saying the stuff that's just as silly as Jordan because he has an accent.

[@HalcyonSunset]

The other guy is Douglas Murray, a psychopathic right wing culture war grifter that is about as insane in his beliefs as your average Trump cabinet pick. Amazed Matt even kept his mouth shut while he was talking and didn't jump on some of his absolutely ridiculous arguments.

[@Dreamtime_958]

peterson thinks his "meta truths" come from our higher mind, but if you compare his "meta truth" to chimpanzee culture etc, it fits perfectly..... hierarchy, patriarchy, authority. petersons "meta truth" is really just his reptile brain winning the argument.

[@bruford911]

8:50 look at that guy’s body language. You could just roll your eyes at the camera , dude.

[@OBGynKenobi]

I don't even think Peterson knows what he's talking about.

[@Mike-bk8iw]

if they could only trully listen to each other they couldve become brothers. until then its only judgment and division, a childish ruthlessness.

[@philipdubuque9596]

I very much like the phrase by Matt Dillahunty, "You're not even wrong." I use this phrase myself and usually add: "God doesn't even NOT exist. If you think this way you're not even in the conversation." As for the interlocutor, Pangburn? After listening to his tepid 'defence' of some aspects of Jordan Peterson's overrated piffle... Obviously, Pangburn isn't remotely worth listening to twice.

[@nouseinaname]

@18:25 its stated that Jordan Peterson attempted to read ones mind in saying he " doesnt, not believe god doesnt exist" to which he claims to dismiss Jordan entirely. But @21:15 its stated " im not saying there is no god...or religions are wrong, im saying im not convinced" Sounds a bit contradictory and stubborn.

[@diesirye]

Believing there is no god, and not having the belief there is, is totally different

[@CMDRZero01]

They aren't the same at all. This is not a thing. I don't think that's a thing. Completely different.

[@MrEdu-cj2vl]

JP from 8 years ago was awesome. But nowadays, he just babbles without saying anything. It's very sad.

[@ltzmin]

Stop pretending we can read other people's minds. Just listen and notice how they act.

[@Sean-gh1op]

Yes when it happens it is clearly pretending. Not very good acting [insert name for extra offense] and follow up with pale proof of intelligence PhD

[@Sean-gh1op]

Would the term troll simply be a weakened version of calling an Indigenous group savages in order to justify shooting guns around and claiming intellectual ownership and responsibility. All the while express mailing the pardon straight up and down between themself and the unreachable heights of the unknown?

[@ltzmin]

This user: @@Sean-gh1op has to be a bot. Check the awful name and ridiculous all-over-the-place replies 😂

[@secularstones]

Jordan is like many others, he is a skeptic until he is not, but a greased weasel always.

[@Rmantvg]

Im not gonna agree or disagree with atheism or Christianity because i try not to hold many opinions knowing that i am a human and only perceive a pinholes worth of whats happening around us. I will say however this channel is a hate channel dedicated to jordan peterson. Its kinda pathetic they cant get off the topic of this man if they think his beliefs are so dumb. I guess its for the views but you should be thanking him secretly for keeping your videos somewhat relevant to pop culture

[@robertpearson5410]

No wonder this other guy likes Peterson. He speaks as vaguely as Peterson does, just not with as many polysyllabic words.

[@Sean-gh1op]

Faith seems to be unnecessary when simply the want to continue existing provides enough motivation to do what is necessary. Faith in myself does not require me to externalize any attachment and again science explains our origin enough we can sort of stop our exploration at the beginning of life from water on Earth, we really have no business looking at "who created the 'big bang'" would faith not be living in the present instead of looking so far into the past that it goes beyond the timeline of even life itself?

[@Sean-gh1op]

Open ended questions are more constructive here than descriptions of observations that end in a full stop. (This is more of a statement than an observation in itself)

[@Dreamtime_958]

the bible was just a tool to promote servitude to your masters, and to blame everything on women and foreigners.

[@EndlessSummer-dh]

It's all very simple. There was likely a man who Jesus is based on. There is also a moral philosophy in the New Testament which is Helenistic, based in the Logos and love of others. All the mystical and mythical stuff is just a technique used by religious writers to influence people to follow the moral philosophy. That is it and there is nothing more anyone needs to waste their brain juice on.

[@dajusta87]

Matt will never be satisfied with any evidence or any proof for anything he doesn't believe in.

[@Sean-gh1op]

Why is this guy putting (instead of words in unknown young peoples mouths) but worse still (paradigms in young peoples heads) like the classic disconnection from those he wishes to save

[@Sean-gh1op]

And I am not referring to Matt...😬

[@Sean-gh1op]

To me atheism is the key that allows one to use archetypes without delusional potential

[@Sean-gh1op]

Would it be like a comparison to someone believing they have supernatural powers twice removed

[@Sean-gh1op]

A fear of trolls is being wrapped in cotton wool and pretending to be exposed

[@tracewallace23]

​@@Sean-gh1opSo🤨 3rd Cousin-Powers? 😂😁

[@servercannell5853]

Judge him by the quality of the company he keeps. He's a scam artist. Best to run in the opposite direction, or you will be burned.

[@DesertPackrat]

This was unbearable to watch. Just like JP these guys talk in circles that others misinterpret as deep, introspective thoughts and even worse, rational thought. I accept without explanation that religions are culturally and historical important to study in regard to human development and the human condition but ultimately are unintentionally and intentionally falsehoods. I also believe that faith and religion is a comforting filler in the absence of observable truths. I also believe that love and other human emotions are not mysteries but rather response/stimuli triggers biologically encoded into life for survival. Having said this I believe it is okay to believe in something whether you call it spiritualness or faith; the nihilist can reconcile existence as the act of purpose and that purpose can be faith. I accept this as long as you don’t impose this purpose upon me no more than I can impose my belief in planets layered in bananas and strawberries upon you.

[@FEPOSOTP]

Racism will shift towards Wookies and R2-D2's in the near future 😂😂😂

[@robertpearson5410]

There are probably some good insights into life that Iron Age people came up with, but why religion would be one of them makes no sense when they attributed all kinds of things they didn't understand about the world to God. Jordan seems to think there is a great religious insight that spans history, evidenced by Bible stories. I think Jordan spouts nonsense hidden by words most people don't use in normal conversation,

[@yungalucard9139]

I like allegories personally. Yknow the story of the rich man and Lazarus? Yeah that never actually happened. It’s a parable. And damn good one that demonstrates god’s humility and mercy. Well mercy to lazarus at least. Can’t say the same for the rich man lol.

[@Dreamtime_958]

for every allegory/parable in the bible, I could come up with two better. the parable of the talents proves that jesus either wasn't very smart, or that he condoned capitalism.

[@bruford911]

Does god have ego? Can gods feelings be hurt? Can you mark up a bible to show where each word is literal or allegorical?

[@sammiejoyner3532]

Leaning on your own understanding hmm maybe when there's no reality you will understand the fork

[@janrunetitt]

'He has a name only he knows.' It means he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. If the vision is true, 'he has a name only he knows' is it true he arrives first and the world can only arrive after, or is it metaphorically true? If it is true and not metaphorically true. Why do you choose to talk about metaphorical truths? Shouldn't we be talking about how you all lose? 'Religion is not based on historical truth,' says Wittgenstein. 'I am he that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open,' says God in Revelation. Can belief open the door the truth closes? No. Can belief close the door the truth opens? No. Can the truth close the door belief opens? Yes. Can the truth open the door belief closes? Yes. Who am I that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open, belief or the truth? Is it true the truth has this attribute and not belief. Or is it a metaphorical truth? If God brainwash people, who brainwash those who see metaphorical truth? 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' What has this attribute, the truth or belief? What is social hypnosis? Is it fair to say, everyone who says, this is the definition of belief, are under a spell? If anyone was not under a spell, would it not be self-evident, this is truth and not belief? Who has brainwashed all of you to see belief where there is none? Christ can only have one beginning, blue 12.11. Christ can only have one end, blue 2.1 to blue 12/12. Blue 12.11 has two baskets, and in each basket there are two apples. How many apples does blue 12.11 have? Blue 6 says, four apples. Red 6 says, he is deceiving you, it's based on belief. Has blue 6 uttered a metaphorical truth, or is it reality and truth? And what even is a metaphorical truth? I don't think I have every said in my entire life, 'well it's metaphorically true.' As I understand it, things are either true or false, and we use metaphors to illustrate. I never heard of anything being metaphorically true. Is that like, me imagine I am the President, and I can fly. Then you say, you are not the President, nor can you fly. And I say, no, but it's metaphorically true. Let me give you a useful story about Superman. Kal El comes to earth, his father sends him in his spaceship. Imagine that part is true, but he does not actually fly by the power of his imagination. Which are stories that have circulated about him and become part of his story. Mr. Flying Pants: You fly around all the time, between study, work, and doing the dishes. I don’t see any difference between you flying around and Superman. Disbeliever: Exactly! Kal El: There is the ship in my barn and the crystals. This comedy has been going on for decades now. Who understands the parable? Both Mr. Flying Pants and Disbeliever are both equally deluded. They both believe in a false positive. Peterson says, if predators are real, how is dragon not real? Disbeliever says, predators are not real, because dragons are not real. Both are deluded. They are both wrong! The disbeliever says, walking on water is not real, therefore Christ cannot appear. That is a false positive. Kal El is not real, because flying by the power of imagination is not real. That is a false positive. And you learn that when you check Clark Kent's barn, and you find the ship and the crystals. Then you see you were right about flying by the power of imagination, but you were wrong about him not being from above. You were wrong about him not being separated from humanity. You were wrong about his identity cannot be known, and you were wrong about his claim cannot be verified. That is a metaphorical truth. It's metaphorically true that I am Superman. It's actually true that I am Christ. Why should you care about this metaphorical truth? Because it's simply a mirror of the actual truth. But if I claimed this proves that I am from an alien planet. Then I would confuse the metaphorical truth, the reflection of Christ in Superman, with reality. Superman is a metaphorical truth to Christ. My parents didn't send me from Krypton. That is not the point of the story. The point is that Christ is separated from the world, and identifiable. And Superman a fictional character, mirrors what is true about Christ. This mirror is metaphorical. I am real! If he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. Is he metaphorically separated, or actually separated from the world? He is actually separated. If Kal El was sent here by his father in his spaceship, is he metaphorically separated or is he actually separated? He is actually separated, but he can only be a metaphorical truth, because he is pure fiction. Confusing me with pure fiction, is delusion, not enlightenment! I exist in the real world and speak for myself, Superman cannot do that. That is how you know I am real and he is fiction. And if people don't care about metaphorical truth, which is at least useful. What about metaphorically false? Perry White and Christ are metaphorically false.

[@bruford911]

You have become Peterson . Bravo.

[@Sean-gh1op]

Would the term troll simply be a weakened version of calling an Indigenous group savages in order to justify shooting guns around and claiming intellectual ownership and responsibility. All the while express mailing the pardon straight up and down between themself and the unreachable heights of the unknown?

[@gibbsfernandes]

If there is only objective truth, why do we care about painting our house with different colours? Why do we care about having a beautiful garden? Why do we care about wearing colourful and unique clothes? Why do we draw paintings? Why do we do music? You see, life is poetic. It needs art and objective truth to flourish. Life without art is like blend food. It needs art to spice it up. Religions are one of the art. One can live without art, but not everyone is wired that way. Many don't have the mental capacity to live without art. Everyone is not a genius to have high rationality, so many fill that void with art.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

JP only cares about incoherent indecipherable intellectual sounding mouth sounds He's a time waster, he gets nothing done because all he does is sit around all day talking about what might be the best way to get things done.

[@mikeomonkey]

of course its not skeptical its cynical

[@jwbjpb1338]

Peterson is clearly not smart enough to

[@janrunetitt]

'He has a name only he knows.' It means he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. If the vision is true, 'he has a name only he knows' is it true he arrives first and the world can only arrive after, or is it metaphorically true? If it is true and not metaphorically true. Why do you choose to talk about metaphorical truths? Shouldn't we be talking about how you all lose? 'Religion is not based on historical truth,' says Wittgenstein. 'I am he that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open,' says God in Revelation. Can belief open the door the truth closes? No. Can belief close the door the truth opens? No. Can the truth close the door belief opens? Yes. Can the truth open the door belief closes? Yes. Who am I that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open, belief or the truth? Is it true the truth has this attribute and not belief. Or is it a metaphorical truth? If God brainwash people, who brainwash those who see metaphorical truth? 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' What has this attribute, the truth or belief? What is social hypnosis? Is it fair to say, everyone who says, this is the definition of belief, are under a spell? If anyone was not under a spell, would it not be self-evident, this is truth and not belief? Who has brainwashed all of you to see belief where there is none? Christ can only have one beginning, blue 12.11. Christ can only have one end, blue 2.1 to blue 12/12. Blue 12.11 has two baskets, and in each basket there are two apples. How many apples does blue 12.11 have? Blue 6 says, four apples. Red 6 says, he is deceiving you, it's based on belief. Has blue 6 uttered a metaphorical truth, or is it reality and truth? And what even is a metaphorical truth? I don't think I have every said in my entire life, 'well it's metaphorically true.' As I understand it, things are either true or false, and we use metaphors to illustrate. I never heard of anything being metaphorically true. Is that like, me imagine I am the President, and I can fly. Then you say, you are not the President, nor can you fly. And I say, no, but it's metaphorically true. Let me give you a useful story about Superman. Kal El comes to earth, his father sends him in his spaceship. Imagine that part is true, but he does not actually fly by the power of his imagination. Which are stories that have circulated about him and become part of his story. Mr. Flying Pants: You fly around all the time, between study, work, and doing the dishes. I don’t see any difference between you flying around and Superman. Disbeliever: Exactly! Kal El: There is the ship in my barn and the crystals. This comedy has been going on for decades now. Who understands the parable? Both Mr. Flying Pants and Disbeliever are both equally deluded. They both believe in a false positive. Peterson says, if predators are real, how is dragon not real? Disbeliever says, predators are not real, because dragons are not real. Both are deluded. They are both wrong! The disbeliever says, walking on water is not real, therefore Christ cannot appear. That is a false positive. Kal El is not real, because flying by the power of imagination is not real. That is a false positive. And you learn that when you check Clark Kent's barn, and you find the ship and the crystals. Then you see you were right about flying by the power of imagination, but you were wrong about him not being from above. You were wrong about him not being separated from humanity. You were wrong about his identity cannot be known, and you were wrong about his claim cannot be verified. That is a metaphorical truth. It's metaphorically true that I am Superman. It's actually true that I am Christ. Why should you care about this metaphorical truth? Because it's simply a mirror of the actual truth. But if I claimed this proves that I am from an alien planet. Then I would confuse the metaphorical truth, the reflection of Christ in Superman, with reality. Superman is a metaphorical truth to Christ. My parents didn't send me from Krypton. That is not the point of the story. The point is that Christ is separated from the world, and identifiable. And Superman a fictional character, mirrors what is true about Christ. This mirror is metaphorical. I am real! If he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. Is he metaphorically separated, or actually separated from the world? He is actually separated. If Kal El was sent here by his father in his spaceship, is he metaphorically separated or is he actually separated? He is actually separated, but he can only be a metaphorical truth, because he is pure fiction. Confusing me with pure fiction, is delusion, not enlightenment! I exist in the real world and speak for myself, Superman cannot do that. That is how you know I am real and he is fiction. And if people don't care about metaphorical truth, which is at least useful. What about metaphorically false? Perry White and Christ are metaphorically false.

[@RicoCosta317]

Jordan Peterson, the man who put the pseudo into pseudo intellectual.

[@janrunetitt]

'He has a name only he knows.' It means he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. If the vision is true, 'he has a name only he knows' is it true he arrives first and the world can only arrive after, or is it metaphorically true? If it is true and not metaphorically true. Why do you choose to talk about metaphorical truths? Shouldn't we be talking about how you all lose? 'Religion is not based on historical truth,' says Wittgenstein. 'I am he that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open,' says God in Revelation. Can belief open the door the truth closes? No. Can belief close the door the truth opens? No. Can the truth close the door belief opens? Yes. Can the truth open the door belief closes? Yes. Who am I that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open, belief or the truth? Is it true the truth has this attribute and not belief. Or is it a metaphorical truth? If God brainwash people, who brainwash those who see metaphorical truth? 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' What has this attribute, the truth or belief? What is social hypnosis? Is it fair to say, everyone who says, this is the definition of belief, are under a spell? If anyone was not under a spell, would it not be self-evident, this is truth and not belief? Who has brainwashed all of you to see belief where there is none? Christ can only have one beginning, blue 12.11. Christ can only have one end, blue 2.1 to blue 12/12. Blue 12.11 has two baskets, and in each basket there are two apples. How many apples does blue 12.11 have? Blue 6 says, four apples. Red 6 says, he is deceiving you, it's based on belief. Has blue 6 uttered a metaphorical truth, or is it reality and truth? And what even is a metaphorical truth? I don't think I have every said in my entire life, 'well it's metaphorically true.' As I understand it, things are either true or false, and we use metaphors to illustrate. I never heard of anything being metaphorically true. Is that like, me imagine I am the President, and I can fly. Then you say, you are not the President, nor can you fly. And I say, no, but it's metaphorically true. Let me give you a useful story about Superman. Kal El comes to earth, his father sends him in his spaceship. Imagine that part is true, but he does not actually fly by the power of his imagination. Which are stories that have circulated about him and become part of his story. Mr. Flying Pants: You fly around all the time, between study, work, and doing the dishes. I don’t see any difference between you flying around and Superman. Disbeliever: Exactly! Kal El: There is the ship in my barn and the crystals. This comedy has been going on for decades now. Who understands the parable? Both Mr. Flying Pants and Disbeliever are both equally deluded. They both believe in a false positive. Peterson says, if predators are real, how is dragon not real? Disbeliever says, predators are not real, because dragons are not real. Both are deluded. They are both wrong! The disbeliever says, walking on water is not real, therefore Christ cannot appear. That is a false positive. Kal El is not real, because flying by the power of imagination is not real. That is a false positive. And you learn that when you check Clark Kent's barn, and you find the ship and the crystals. Then you see you were right about flying by the power of imagination, but you were wrong about him not being from above. You were wrong about him not being separated from humanity. You were wrong about his identity cannot be known, and you were wrong about his claim cannot be verified. That is a metaphorical truth. It's metaphorically true that I am Superman. It's actually true that I am Christ. Why should you care about this metaphorical truth? Because it's simply a mirror of the actual truth. But if I claimed this proves that I am from an alien planet. Then I would confuse the metaphorical truth, the reflection of Christ in Superman, with reality. Superman is a metaphorical truth to Christ. My parents didn't send me from Krypton. That is not the point of the story. The point is that Christ is separated from the world, and identifiable. And Superman a fictional character, mirrors what is true about Christ. This mirror is metaphorical. I am real! If he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. Is he metaphorically separated, or actually separated from the world? He is actually separated. If Kal El was sent here by his father in his spaceship, is he metaphorically separated or is he actually separated? He is actually separated, but he can only be a metaphorical truth, because he is pure fiction. Confusing me with pure fiction, is delusion, not enlightenment! I exist in the real world and speak for myself, Superman cannot do that. That is how you know I am real and he is fiction. And if people don't care about metaphorical truth, which is at least useful. What about metaphorically false? Perry White and Christ are metaphorically false.

[@willaminabrown]

I'm so glad this vid didn't include Peterson blathering on endlessly saying nothing. He is full of sh*t! Blah blah blah! Cut him loose he's a waste of time!

[@janrunetitt]

'He has a name only he knows.' It means he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. If the vision is true, 'he has a name only he knows' is it true he arrives first and the world can only arrive after, or is it metaphorically true? If it is true and not metaphorically true. Why do you choose to talk about metaphorical truths? Shouldn't we be talking about how you all lose? 'Religion is not based on historical truth,' says Wittgenstein. 'I am he that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open,' says God in Revelation. Can belief open the door the truth closes? No. Can belief close the door the truth opens? No. Can the truth close the door belief opens? Yes. Can the truth open the door belief closes? Yes. Who am I that opens so no one can close, and close so no one can open, belief or the truth? Is it true the truth has this attribute and not belief. Or is it a metaphorical truth? If God brainwash people, who brainwash those who see metaphorical truth? 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' What has this attribute, the truth or belief? What is social hypnosis? Is it fair to say, everyone who says, this is the definition of belief, are under a spell? If anyone was not under a spell, would it not be self-evident, this is truth and not belief? Who has brainwashed all of you to see belief where there is none? Christ can only have one beginning, blue 12.11. Christ can only have one end, blue 2.1 to blue 12/12. Blue 12.11 has two baskets, and in each basket there are two apples. How many apples does blue 12.11 have? Blue 6 says, four apples. Red 6 says, he is deceiving you, it's based on belief. Has blue 6 uttered a metaphorical truth, or is it reality and truth? And what even is a metaphorical truth? I don't think I have every said in my entire life, 'well it's metaphorically true.' As I understand it, things are either true or false, and we use metaphors to illustrate. I never heard of anything being metaphorically true. Is that like, me imagine I am the President, and I can fly. Then you say, you are not the President, nor can you fly. And I say, no, but it's metaphorically true. Let me give you a useful story about Superman. Kal El comes to earth, his father sends him in his spaceship. Imagine that part is true, but he does not actually fly by the power of his imagination. Which are stories that have circulated about him and become part of his story. Mr. Flying Pants: You fly around all the time, between study, work, and doing the dishes. I don’t see any difference between you flying around and Superman. Disbeliever: Exactly! Kal El: There is the ship in my barn and the crystals. This comedy has been going on for decades now. Who understands the parable? Both Mr. Flying Pants and Disbeliever are both equally deluded. They both believe in a false positive. Peterson says, if predators are real, how is dragon not real? Disbeliever says, predators are not real, because dragons are not real. Both are deluded. They are both wrong! The disbeliever says, walking on water is not real, therefore Christ cannot appear. That is a false positive. Kal El is not real, because flying by the power of imagination is not real. That is a false positive. And you learn that when you check Clark Kent's barn, and you find the ship and the crystals. Then you see you were right about flying by the power of imagination, but you were wrong about him not being from above. You were wrong about him not being separated from humanity. You were wrong about his identity cannot be known, and you were wrong about his claim cannot be verified. That is a metaphorical truth. It's metaphorically true that I am Superman. It's actually true that I am Christ. Why should you care about this metaphorical truth? Because it's simply a mirror of the actual truth. But if I claimed this proves that I am from an alien planet. Then I would confuse the metaphorical truth, the reflection of Christ in Superman, with reality. Superman is a metaphorical truth to Christ. My parents didn't send me from Krypton. That is not the point of the story. The point is that Christ is separated from the world, and identifiable. And Superman a fictional character, mirrors what is true about Christ. This mirror is metaphorical. I am real! If he arrives first and the world can only arrive after. Is he metaphorically separated, or actually separated from the world? He is actually separated. If Kal El was sent here by his father in his spaceship, is he metaphorically separated or is he actually separated? He is actually separated, but he can only be a metaphorical truth, because he is pure fiction. Confusing me with pure fiction, is delusion, not enlightenment! I exist in the real world and speak for myself, Superman cannot do that. That is how you know I am real and he is fiction. And if people don't care about metaphorical truth, which is at least useful. What about metaphorically false? Perry White and Christ are metaphorically false.

[@willaminabrown]

@janrunetitt wow, nobody is gonna read all of that! IS this Jordan under a pen name? 🤣

[@futuregovernance9584]

"stop being mean to pro-lifers" lmao

[@PokeChampionHQ]

Omg this dude next to Matt just wants to talk just to talk like bruh your trying to hard to seem like you belong on the same stage as Matt that your not speaking like a regular person

[@dajusta87]

This "dude next to Matt" is Douglas Murray and he's the most renown journalist from UK who has been to many wars and has been the defacto spokesperson on the Middle East war. Matt isn't platforming him. Murray is platforming Matt.

[@PokeChampionHQ]

@ idc who the hell is this Douglas guy and I watched this video because Matt’s face was on it not this Douglas person. Who you might give a damn about him but I clearly do not and wouldn’t not even mention him if he wasn’t on stage with Matt

[@markballard1515]

This guy, not Matt is just babbling.

[@Head-the-ball]

Disingenuous Douglas quite rightly Dissociates himself from Another Charlatan

[@ArthurAsPedras]

Nice boots

[@jonathanstewart7838]

Sorry, isn't trying to overthrow a free and fair election using violence reason enough to call someone a fascist? Isn't the decimation of Gaza reason enough to call those responsible fascists? Mr Murray you're not exactly a fair and impartial voice on this. You've picked a side and defend it ruthlessly so please spare us your complaints about other people trolling on the major issues of the day: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2rSYYCli5eClck

[@AnonymousWon-uu5yn]

Matt doesn't care about people not suffering against their will and that's why he made a video where he's against antinatalism.

[@ashleywaite2537]

I've literally never come to a political opinion simply to piss off people on the other side. That's a ridiculous statement. I don't try to piss off people who are stripping women of their rights. I want to fight for women's rights and fight against people who are in direct conflict with that. Simple.

[@exhainca]

This guy is also like a broken record.

[@richarddavis5976]

Exactly lol

[@GPenn09]

This guy? Use your words

[@gideonpepys]

Which guy?

[@ZymonAaronn]

People give this a thumb's up even though they don't know which guy is being roasted. Derp.

[@exhainca]

@@GPenn09 Bro, look at the title of the video. That guy. Dummy.

[@richardscroggins2096]

Dillahunty says pro-life people are the one's doing harm and then a minute later says he knows it's wrong to kill people. How in the world do you balance those contradictions in your head Matt? It's either wrong to murder humans or it's not, their age is not relevant.

[@StrawcherryPie]

I don't think you understand Matt's position. If you genuinely want to understand his point of view, call into the Line and ask him yourself.

[@seanconroy6265]

You should absolutely apply academic curiosity into the science of abortions and female medical practice. Your statement here carries some pre-supposed baggage related to your religious bias. You want to pretend like abstaining from abortions causes 0 harm, but that isn’t true. If carrying a fetus to term had 0 side effects every time then this wouldnt be a discussion. It takes 2 extra seconds of thought to be more intellectually honest instead of emotional and reactionary

[@maxdougherty3429]

@@seanconroy6265 1) does life being at conception? 2) if not then when does fetus become a baby that must not be aborted frivolously (danger to life of mother) 3) is it alright to murder a baby to avoid side effects from birth? is life worth more than limb?

[@richardscroggins2096]

@@seanconroy6265 My opinions have no basis in religion, only civics, science and logic. A fetus is alive by every scientific measure and their DNA is human, therefore it is a human life. In the Declaration of Independence, the first of our American founding documents, Life is recognized as the first right of humanity. If as a society you cannot secure the very first right that you enumerate then nothing else means anything. Life is the primary human right and all others are subject to that right. So there can be no law or civic duty in any capacity where the fundamental right to Life is not guaranteed by government. And we should impose that right by force, as all laws are imposed by force.

[@christophergreen6595]

​@maxdougherty3429 carrying ANY pregnancy to term involves life-threatening risks, as well as risks of bring maimed or made barren. You are a fool, arguing like a peasant.

[@tombernot9842]

Ask yourself, are you a prophet,or are you a profiteer?

[@RicardoAlmeida-d6n]

Just geting the ride

[@RealEyesRealizeRealLies374]

It’s a sad time that people take Peterson seriously. The guy is a neurotic mess. He’s always angry and crying and talks in complete gibberish.