NO Russian Bias?! - T-90M in War Thunder is Not What You Think!

The Newest Russian Tank in War Thunder might actually be different this time. You might even call it balanced... Let's find out!
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[@taxevavsoinisntilleagal]

11 years of warthunder existing and you still can see through leaves in thermals sights

[@BARelement]

Huh?

[@StealthyShot]

Skill issue

[@lucienpapercraft5171]

I guess its the disable grass in tank sight, which also aplies on thermal???

[@user-lh5pf4ji3q]

Even consumer grade thermals can see through folliage

[@DaSteeJ07]

Thermals see through leaves in real life?

[@RichelieuUnlimited]

3BM59/60 is the best that can be fired from a 2A46M-5. The better 3BM69/70 rounds can only be used with a 2A82-1M cannon found only on the the T-14.

[@haykasatryan8331]

You zee komrade, T-90 not need reverse because you don't reverse. No step back, very genious, much breakthrough.

[@amn0940]

I have a challenge for you: You start a game with only the bare minimum rounds to spawn (you can resuply) and for every kill you get or 3 assists you can add an extra round for the next match and the challenge ends when you finish a match with a kill with a full load of ammo. Also you will start with the tank with all mods or those you have and if you not meet the score for an extra round you will have to uninstall a mod starting with the top ones, but you can add them back in you meet the score for an extra round sacrificing said round. (If you can add 2 rounds you could add: 1 mod 1 round, 2 mods or 2 rounds) To make it more entertaining for us you could play with a vehicle you are not very good with like an Ariete, the Type 10/TKX, the Leclerc, a Merkava or russian/chinese T-series tank If you wanna add an extra challenge to it you can start with the stock round of the tank and after getting a kill with the full load you pass to the next round, over and over until you do it with all rounds (after switching rounds you will start again with the bare minimum and you can only carry 1 type of amunition at a time)

[@MrSedsone]

You have to bring at least 5 shells to a match or it doesn't allow you to spawn.

[@M0LOCK]

The thing is we are so used to the low spall in the BVM that having spall liners literally doesnt add much,in fact only loss since slower reload and horrible reverse the rest the BVM already do the same or better

[@PeenileCansir]

Bagged "relikt" should actually be 4S24 and arena has not been fielded yet the vehicle does still partially retain the shtora system but omitts the dazzler the warning system is part of shtora also iirc the adjustments to the autoloader were only proposals which would thin down the side armor around it

[@sqqqqqqqqqq]

Its the 2018 variant of the t 90m, the 2023 variant has an actual reverse gear an aps and a softkill system, im assuming they patched this variant in for balance

[@aenodarr7936]

Soft kill is not placed on serial t-90s because it's too costly, and I'm also pretty sure it's still in testing phase, being placed on t72b3 for tests

[@sqqqqqqqqqq]

@@aenodarr7936 from what i understand the t 90m is fitted with the Shtora-1 softkill withour the active element, but to be fair i cant confirm anything since its all classified

[@BlackPhantom_II]

@@sqqqqqqqqqq Shtora 1 is on T-90A. T-90M does not have them.

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

It still has the laser warning system of the shtora, which is great against almost all helicopters and even apfsds which you can react fast enough.

[@victor_vvinner74]

still no valuable data or proofs that newest T-90m has good reverse speed, only some propaganda, so I wouldn't suggest you to believe this, mate

[@rudatkatzn9171]

The most claims of Russian Bias towards the T-90M come from the Devserver, where it basically was an unstoppable behemoth. I think it's armor modifier was like 6? Meaning the sides am had an effective thickness of around 500-600mm

[@icetea8946]

yeah, the test server it was a monster, the spall liner ate everything. Felt like i was shooting HEATFS at a maus completely covered in ERA. In live server its a joke lol, i once killed it with dm33 through the front corner behind the tracks.

[@barry4302]

at most, I think gaijin could give T-90M and T-80BVM the 3BM59, the DU version of 3BM60 which is tungsten, only a slight 30 - 50mm penetration increase but given that they're 11.7 vehicles, it'll make them stand out a bit more.

[@johann.vasquez.980]

3bm60 is better than 3bm59

[@bluebud169]

Of course its not what you think. Its not bad but its only slightly better than T-72B3 and playstyle is literally the same. Any competent player will choose BVM over 90M because of mobility. Okay spall liners will save you sometimes but weakness is obvious. I one-tapped 90M plenty of times with DM23, DM53 is no brainer. You get outclassed by 2A7AV and Strv 122 B+ in every way. Spall liners work better because of crew positioning, insane mobility, equal or even better armour (esspecially on turret), better rounds and other things. My advice, dont put yourself in position you cant run away from, reversing wont help, press W and hide somewhere else, flank as much as possible and use element of suprise, aim for turret wedge to knock turret traverse or breech because leopard turret literally SNAPS back at you at lightspeed if you dont disable it and he has smaller chance of missing his shot.

[@9Achaemenid]

Russia should get another 11.7br cause they only got 2 and other nations got at least 3-4 11.7br MTBs.

[@Kwisss]

@@9Achaemenid Bruh first off the T-80U, T-80UK and T-72B3 can still compete at 11.7. The 11.3 MBTs of other nations play nearly the same as their 11.7 counterparts but even worse. TES, 2F, Ariete PSO/Ariete have the same armor/layout as their 11.7 but come with worse drawbacks like useless armor and worse engines. 11.7 is just an arbitrary ranking as 11.3 sees 11.7 anyways and T-80Us perform better than those other 11.3 from my experience playing them all.

[@henrychu495]

@@9Achaemenid Literally 10.0 Russian tanks are competitive at 11.7, they don't need a new one

[@9Achaemenid]

@@henrychu495 you are a troll if you really think USSR tanks are OP! I play USSR and Germany top tier and know what I'm talking about! I one shot kill any T80/T90M/T72B3. Russian thanks can't reverse and so easy to kill, they cant hide or relocate like other nations!! You guys are trolls spreding miss information over the internet. fyi USA thanks sucks not because of the armor, its because of the super loud turbine engine sound, you know exactly where Abrams are and that's why so easy to kill:)

[@icetea8946]

The T-90M does not have arena, it is capable of mounting it but Russia has not equipped them to any of their tanks, well at least those in Ukraine. T-90M cannot fire anything bigger than svinets-2. There was a proposal to redesign the turret to fit the T-14's armata gun and autoloading system so it can fire Vacum1 and Vacum2 but the idea never took off. The tank irl offered more digitalization, crew ergonomics, situational awareness etc but those dont mean anything in war thunder when u got a 3rd person/chase cam lol

[@daniel_f4050]

How the hell did that tank survive even 1/10th a second without the crew vaporizing when the ammo cooked off? Almost every round is right under their asses for God’s sake!

[@thefoxmaid2333]

The t90a is a welded turret as well. The t90m's turret is based off the same turret.

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

Nope, its better with more fun depression. Also the hull irl has better array, not the 30 year old array but it's classified so not added in game... Just like Abrams du hull but the Russians are not crying for better Armor because the relikt TANKS dm53 with the 30 year old array.

[@democracy_enjoyer]

​@@mr.waffentrager4400 5° depression = 5° depression. im sure you didn't learn first grade math heck, im sure you didn't even learn kindergarten math

[@democracy_enjoyer]

​@@mr.waffentrager4400also, the relikt is just a bunch of cardboard, styrofoam, and civilian grade rubber inside a steel box

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

@@democracy_enjoyer it has 6 degree depression, not the 5 degree of t-90 or the 4 degree of t-90a.

[@democracy_enjoyer]

@@mr.waffentrager4400 thats bearly a difference

[@Kwisss]

DM73 is DM53 in length and everything but it has a stronger propellent resulting in ~10% increase in performance. DM63 is also just DM53 but much less prone to blowing up or catching fire post penetration.

[@BARelement]

Sweden since the STRV 122, and the old CV90s existed was THE BEST NATION FOR GROUND for a long time. The whole Russian bias thing is blown to the ends of the nuts. They fixed spalling in general and they are even easier to 1 shot than they already kinda were. Especially when the fuel gets breathed on, BOOM.

[@thechlebek901]

have you read the MANPADS performance post

[@goliath3413]

the only reason they call this one more russian bias is because they actually decided to moddel the frontal fuel tanks as external (like on 2a6 and abrams) so they dont insta kill when they get hit.

[@Kwisss]

@@goliath3413 From my experience fighting them they still blow up from the frontal fuel tanks. I figured they just modeled them as external as they couldn't separate it being behind spall liners or got lazy.

[@mathewweeks9069]

Your awesome dude and awesome video be safe out there happy new year to you all

[@ThePadadada]

The T90A turret is welded aswell

[@doge_sevens]

to be fair, theres alot of things on every one of the newest mbts that havent been added (dm63/73, type c armor and improperly modeled gearbox on the 2a7. DU armor on the sep v2 and probably nerfed era. challenger 3 also missing dm63/73 aswell as alot of turret armor and also gearing issues.) so im guessing they did this because they were too lazy to make a new br bracket for like 12.3 ground and just gimped all the new gen mbts so they can still be at 11.7

[@ankurar6492]

12:45 the turns have tabled

[@Laurenz357]

The netting is supposed to damage the fuses but dont make them go off.

[@thatyorkshiregamer7381]

Hey panzer firstly love your videos! My other question is what do you use to make your thumbnails? It's the only thing I still need to get good at for my videos lol

[@PanzerPaw]

I use Photoshop and mix screenshots with a bunch of things to make them. Sometimes I get lucky and get a really nice screenshot and just use that instead too

[@thatyorkshiregamer7381]

@@PanzerPaw thanks :) keep it up!

[@Erusean_pilot]

“ its far from the the funny looking target im used too”

[@Tigerpanzer6666]

wait i wonder if you loose ammo in the game if your ammo is hit and you didnt explode

[@austinbunyard3284]

The t 90 a has a welded turret

[@hydrodrift]

Panzer, the reason why the Russians design their tanks and most if not all of their vehicles the way they do, is cause of their battle strategy. They use brute force and strength to wage war. I mean he’ll look at their jets, they legit do not have bubble canopies meaning they don’t expect to be on the defensive in a dog fight and the reverse speed in their tanks shows how they don’t believe in retreat. Which is why Most Russian tanks have such thick armor in the front.

[@goliath3413]

the plane thing doesn't sound right. their tactics involve flying in duos rather than solos. Besides, radar advancements and their no fly zones make it imposible for someone to manage to sneak behind them.

[@hydrodrift]

@@goliath3413 yea I know that but just their Jet designs alone, notice how it doesn’t have a bubble type canopy like the US or western jets do? They can’t really their six

[@user-lh5pf4ji3q]

Actually russian doctrine is very defensive and fighter aircraft are disigned accordingly. Su-27 was designed as an interceptor platform to go against F-15, MiG-29 has short range and mostly unguided ground ordnance, which is pretty bad for an offensive platform, MiG-31 is designed to counter ICBMs. Fighter pilot training is also primaraly built aroud air combat due to the relatively small military budget and large amount of airframes, hence poor SEAD during the beginning of Ukraine invasion. Poor(er) visibility is caused by lower conopy which is there to reduce drag and production costs, my guess it wasn't deemed necessary for it's role in the 80s and was "fixed" on modern versions with rear facing radars in the dong

[@Josh-db8rf]

We just need some dude ti leak documents of the t90m to get the snail to put the real t90m in

[@larsmuller97]

I think the T90MS is the one with APS

[@nijivl]

hey Panzer, can you play strv 122s? they are basically better leopard 2a6 (even better armor than 2a7, not by much)

[@giovannicolzani9353]

Patiently waiting for an Ariete video

[@ThatGuyOrby]

Sorry to correct you Panzer, but no the T-90M cannot use the longer APFSDS rounds like 3BM69 or 3BM70. The 2A46M-5 simply cannot use these rounds. It's stuck using 3BM59 and 3BM60 just like the T-72s and T-80s before it. That was the whole point of switching the gun for the T14 Armata to the 2A82-1M which could handle these longer and more effective penetrators.

[@rexsa66]

Ammo burned out and the turret doesn't fly to the moon?? Even if you carry low amount the crew is on top of it... exept the driver

[@M0lkan]

17:00 how on earth does burning ammunition in a roundhouse not kill the crew?

[@PanzerPaw]

I think that was actually a bug at the time. It's definitely supposed to knock out the crew.

[@user-uh3mo7ne7c]

Aren't u supposed to put the back of ur turret to the side of ur tank when ur ammo is burning...?

[@Tigerpanzer6666]

i just watched a video about Abrams and auto loaders from what i understood from the video is that theres a new abrams being tested (not the abrams x) i think it name was abrams m1a3 maybe its still a prototype also what is with people and the letter x

[@Khotetsu]

The US military at least uses the letter X to designate prototypes and test vehicles. The X stands for experimental.

[@akko7281]

Did you know you can shoot through shipping containers? 18:13

[@ML_Tachanka]

Play Strv122B+ it’s beautiful.

[@IS-wi8ey]

I think its sad that they removed the ir jammers looked so cool it was like psychological warfare 😭

[@ii_dynasty]

It still does its those cubes on the front of the turret.

[@JAnx01]

The T-90M won't start having an active protection system installed until 2025-2026.

[@sparrow9990]

Surprisingly, I've had a much easier time killing this than the t80. I don't know if it's complacency or if the t80 is just that annoying.

[@TheDAWinz]

T-90M does not have APS.

[@dartsenderAPFSDS]

only the last Chinese tanks fixed the backward speed

[@jarretthuffin]

So you telling me that only in a video Gagne did Russian tanks work

[@benitoculebro535]

Many things were degraded, it must have been due to the game mechanics since the T-90M uses anti IR smoke that raises flames

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

Picking heat over the frag round? BLASPHEMY!!!

[@AntiFurry174thInfantryRegiment]

Please Play the Italian Top Tier

[@marcelw80]

Fantasy performance

[@ArTeM-gk4en]

Иногда полезно послушать мнение иностранцев

[@DobroDed76]

Ofc Relikt was tested in combat Both T90M, T-80BVM and T-72B3M are present in SMO, all off which have Relikt

[@jeesustelija655]

Next play your fafourite tank pls

[@DWillis7]

IRL they've been taken out by frontal turret hits by AT4s and FPV drones, which shouldn't be possible. They've very much over-hyped.

[@thedoomofvalyria6466]

Any tank can be taken out by FPV drone strike. Several videos with Leopard 2A6 prove that.

[@urielOrnstein]

@@thedoomofvalyria6466 Source?

[@stevenortiz9008]

​@@thedoomofvalyria6466real, I've watched with both drones and suicide drones

[@thedoomofvalyria6466]

@@urielOrnstein kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6rXg32Ip7KrbZIsi=C7orSo3-3pHVg2L-

[@caboose7741]

@@urielOrnstein kzbin.info/www/bejne/noe5gJyviLylkKM

[@EuropaTelesBTR]

It is a very good tank, in the right hands.

[@col.waltervonschonkopf69]

The Russian bias is very real in War Thunder.

[@DaSteeJ07]

I believe that T90MS has the APS system while T90M doesn’t

[@gamingwolf6735]

I thought that the Arena APS wasn't supposed to go in service until 2028 or something like that but correct me if im wrong

[@Kwisss]

Arena APS does exist for several vehicles we already have in game but due to costs, not being able to produce them to a high degree etc they haven't been implemented to the Russian military.

[@PanzerPaw]

Shtora is a soft kill APS that T-90M is supposed to have. Arena is the hard kill APS that may or may not be added in future. Hope that clears it up.

[@gamingwolf6735]

@@PanzerPaw Im pretty sure no Russian tanks will have the Arena APS until like 2028 if my memory serves well (I genuinely do not remember where i got the source i think it was from red effect so woops)

[@nicolaiby1846]

This is mostly unrelated to anything in the video but how come you have driven both a Singaporean Leopard and an A4, you have a vaguely-like Swedish accent despite being Australian and being able to do a proper aussie accent? It doesn't make sense lol

[@PanzerPaw]

Singapore started off with A4s before the upgrades. As for accents, I moved around a lot so I've picked up bits from everywhere

[@goliath3413]

The problem with spall liners is that on tanks like russian T's, Leclers and type 90/10s it is a balancing factor for armor since they die very quickly. But on the others which have an extra crew member to sacrifice means that they will get shot, survive, kill, get shot again, survive, kill, get shot again and die. On the 3 crew tanks its get shot and either die from ammo/fuel explosion or 2 crew members dead so tank is dead (lucky case is only one member dies so you survive). Also quick note: The frontal fuel tanks on t90m are modeled as external (like on abrams or leos) and its the main reason its so survivable. On the other tanks they are counted as internal so they blow up and kill (even tho it shouldn't blow up).

[@Panhasak_23]

Hmmm

[@saltzkruber732]

Wonder what can be learned from this tech now that russia has donated some to ukraine

[@F_Around_and_find_out]

My guess: remote control tanks because after Ukraine, there will be some years for the human resource to replenish itself.

[@stevenortiz9008]

Depends on what Ukrainians consider useful,russian stuff or NATO stuff,eitheer way,the efforts should be focused on rebuilding

[@garmfield2977]

not like ukraine is even able to do anything with the info considering their whole country is in the shitter💀💀💀

[@saltzkruber732]

@@garmfield2977 They can give it to Nato and they can see how crap Russias best gear inevitably is. Russia has had a massive brain drain since 1991. Why would any smart person wanna live in that miserable dictator ruled dump

[@ushiki2212]

u can go around in the fields because your tank is shorter than nato MBTS, so u aren't or barely visable to the enemies, its not bias, its not even the armour. Its a legitimate advantage that russian tanks have.

[@callmeasuka5849]

Can't wait for the Challi 3 video

[@user-ds2vq1hb6h]

Coll

[@YTLootgoblin]

Fk this game it's always unfair and it's fkn pay to win damn game

[@y.m.9277]

Nah, you're too nice Panzer. For sure this is not the true "Russian Bias" such as the Object 279, but people who say "Russian Bias" are gonna say it anyway. Even if you show the video to them, they gonna call it "skill issue". I didn't find too hard a time playing German against them. When you actually pen the carousel or kill the driver they don't even get any chance to backup or repair, just flying turret and sitting duck. It feels fair to me. You trade off the versatility and the loader for extra armor and that explosive autoloader, fair trade.

[@toshisan200]

17:35 slava Ukraine 😩

[@Carsten-yu6fe]

Hi

[@TheBlankJoker]

lol. 6:46 You may not be willing too but I sure will call bs. During the Cold War almost everything pushed out by the Soviet Union turned out to be overstated or was a straight up lie. I mean the US created the F-15 to counter a MIG that didn't actually have the capabilities that Russia claimed it did. And they don't model the ammo properly in the T-series tanks. Simply touching the ammo, especially the caseless stuff should start a chain reaction. This is what causes tank turrets to become "miniature rockets" in both Kuwait and Ukraine. At least in the older autoloaders, I don't know how different the newer one is, a thing of caseless ammo is stored right behind the breach between the gunner and commander. Now the Abrams should be able to pen this but doesn't in game... And hitting caseless ammo should pretty much auto detonate and not just go yellow... (Yes I've had this happen to me) 20:45 And with the Abrams engines yes they are very loud but only if you are behind it. Otherwise it would have never gotten the nickname "Whispering Death."

[@user-qw9xd5wu4e]

It doesn't seem like you know how to play with Russian tanks

[@pyeitme508]

lol

[@F_Around_and_find_out]

Russian use blocker units to stop attacking infantry from retreating. So the terrible reverse speed on Russian tanks might be entirely by design: Not one mm backward.

[@ML_Tachanka]

The more likely reason is that it’s an unpleasant heritage: since the T-72 was used as a “base” for the T-90 which was designed back when USSR existed and could actually produce tanks in massive quantities, so it was specifically designed to be quickly, cheaply and efficiently produced in massive numbers which means that they had to sacrifice some things. But it’s just a theory A TANK THEORY!

[@garmfield2977]

lol child, you ate up the propaganda, even Stalin said that was bullshit and ordered "No. 349", which was to disband the blocking detachments. but hey, whatever helps your narrative.

[@Kwisss]

More so a tank idealogy thinking back then they rushed with their smaller tanks with their numerous numbers on an open field. Reversing + getting a larger better transmission wasn't an idea to begin with. Though mind you there are companies like Renk that makes T-72 transmissions (see PT-91 Twardy Automatic RENK-SESM/ESM-350M transmission) procuring -34 kmph reverse speed so its possible to upgrade many T-72 variants with better reverse.

[@terenceblakely4328]

So how many of these been destroyed in Ukraine?

[@BugattiONE666]

In one last (FAILED) attempt to convince us the T90 isn't just a T72, they made it look like a ZTZ based on the T80, which is just a T64 xD

[@CevrOLLIN]

first comment6 :O

[@NahIdWin995]

It should be much better. No new rounds is weird, especially because 3bm60 pen in game is only 580 in contrast to dm53 650mm pen. Western advancements in tanks is not always the answer, they perform well, yes against incompetent opponent. But still have multiple flaws. There is not such thing as perfect tank. Tanks designs will change dependent on needs and doctrines.

[@RichelieuUnlimited]

It‘s reasonable to assume, that both rounds would perform better, especially at such close ranges, however both are nerfed for gameplay reasons and DM53 outperforming 3BM60 makes sense (longer projectile + higher muzzle velocity)

[@NahIdWin995]

@@RichelieuUnlimited My statement was not about 3bm60 being nerfed even tho suppose ably by keyboard warrior experts it is, but is it idk. My statement is about the fact that some nations dont have rounds that pen 600mm like sweden and russia (sweden has leo 2a6 but its worser then strv)

[@RichelieuUnlimited]

@@NahIdWin995 I‘d guess it comes down to flavor, it‘d be boring if every tank performed the same. Thus different performance in terms of armor, firepower and mobility ideally inspired by the real thing, which are then tweaked for balance. Edit: thus no Russian APFSDS with 600mm+ of penetration.

[@Kwisss]

Got to take into account how they calculate rounds in this game based on their equations of LOS of 60 degrees. In terms of actual penetration DM53 from calculations "pens 750 mm " already in game (yes its in quotes as its 650 mm in game but the calculations Gaijin uses is of their own to remedy classified documents).@@NahIdWin995

[@cursedpikachu7644]

​@@RichelieuUnlimitedbut there's a 1000mm pen one That on is on the 2A83 gun tho

[@loyalfrog4864]

rename the video: Bias leopard 2 lover plays a good other tank and is shocked

[@thetoastinator6280]

You should use the 2S38 and then tell us if there’s Russian bias or not.🥱

[@PanzerPaw]

Oh don't worry. I have a LOT of issues with the 2S38.

[@prokadetgaming4745]

2S38 is not broken at all ,a lot of time when i meet a 2S38 is go gly high in the sky ,.even on turret hit where dont have crew can kill the 2s38 because of ammo hit and it will explode .if you hit it on the mid ammo hit again if you hit a front crew+ammo. So not hard to kill ,i found out like strf ifv or dardo is mutch more survivable and have better armament and more versitalle .

[@_edgemaxxer_]

@@prokadetgaming4745 man i gotta agree with u,the swedish ifvs are rlly good and lot more survivable than 2s38