No Such Thing As Overtraining, Just Under-Eating with Dr. Mike Israetel | JTSstrength.com

[@tylerkeen5224]

"People worrying about overtraining aren't overtraining and people who are overtraining aren't worrying about it." My high school lifting coach said that and I don't think anyone else has summed up the issue better

[@שגהש]

Cool story.

[@onurbole7921]

Yeah, people who overtrain are too busy having to rehab, recovering from illness, treating symptoms. Of course people who worry about it do not overtrain, why would they? That's the whole point of keeping it in mind and training smartly. Overtraining is not an accomplishment, not a state you want to end up in lol. You have a recovery capacity, if you exceed that and eat a ton and sleep a lot, you will just be an overtrained fat guy.

[@tylerkeen5224]

Onur Böle Replying to a comment from 4 years ago? Pretty cringe bro.

[@onurbole7921]

@@tylerkeen5224 Does it start to get cringe after 4 years? The first reply you got was 2 years after you commented, the second seems to be 3 years later and you didn't respond to them in the same manner. I don't even check years when I reply to a comment, an idea or information is still an idea or information, for people who just saw it it is just a minute old. Every comment is a contribution to the community, individuals who wrote it or the time it was written doesn't matter. I hope you aren't turning into a grumpy old man anytime soon. I'm glad you are still alive though.

[@the_two-way1181]

@@onurbole7921 you should eat clean if you're over eating. I so called over train all the time and eat alot and eat super clean. AND I'm lean and muscular.

[@shanemanske5262]

Really enjoy this group of individuals. Look forward to seeing where they will go in the future. Chad-powerlifting Max-weightlifting Quinn-mobility Mike-bodybuilding and nutrition

[@aj7907]

Mike has gotten huge now! RP all the way

[@jugular911]

I was even told on the r/bodybuilding subreddit a few weeks ago, when I said I thought I was overtraining, everyone told me overtraining is almost impossible and I wasn't eating and sleeping enough.

[@patrickbateman4541]

F that sub. Full of homosexual harassing moderators and dumbasses

[@seansilva_1996]

I got extremely sick from overtraining 2 years ago. It takes a stupid amount of training but it is definitely possible.

[@Prophetelf]

people almost never considered sleep when they think recovery

[@TheRonnieBlueEyes]

Ralph Pereira well that’s just not true.

[@EmilWestrum]

Of course they do. Fucks sake.

[@ThanksHero]

I know I don’t

[@sergiootero5904]

Hey Doc, do a neck video. I too want a neck like a tree trunk

[@mcneese416903]

Undereating or underjuicing?

[@bhabadipTWO-ONE]

Underinjecting

[@Basillio11]

Jonny Kowalczyk Haven’t heard that one before...😏

[@richard217]

most likely "over juicing, and under training...'

[@Guitareben]

Yes

[@Jmack7861]

But rich piano says it's not real and he's the strongest natural Olympic body lifter ever, his 8 hour arm workout adds 3 inches to your arm In one day, right babe?

[@Jmack7861]

Which would mean rhabdomyolysis is fake and people that go to the hospital or die from it are lying, right babe?

[@kuuz1134]

Right babe

[@Animerevelations55]

Don't believe everything you see on youtube, this platform is full with know it all people

[@MasterMindManipulator999]

Don't forget the 1000 rep feeder workouts "Right Babe!?"

[@laurenb916]

he's DEAD LOL

[@ice909]

Most people I know that went to jail, they said they did a lot of reps more than the usual out here. They come out swole. I learned from my friend who was locked up. Problem is my consistency. He did supersets 5 days a week. High Reps, many sets!

[@amessina6691]

Lights out at 10pm and no woman to keep you up all night. Might not be the supersets bro.😴

[@LTPottenger]

They probably do crap training but they do a lot of it and most people can do way more than they think

[@smartfitness7200]

Literally been binge watching this channels videos. They're unreal with the content

[@artsoflegend8846]

Same here man great knowledge with Mike Israetel

[@mjdawd4846]

Indeed!! And i found it at the worst time ever, the gyms are closed. They’re opening 1st of july and i cant wait to apply what they teach here.

[@AdioParkejrowiec]

I agree

[@brca89851]

Same

[@chakrow]

That's true! Shared to my clients. Thanks for teaching

[@JayLivinFit]

Awesome video Doc! You're a breath of fresh air. Keep disseminating this information for the public! Thank you.

[@DefineStrength]

great series Mike!! hope u keep it up! STAY HEALTHY STRONG AND FIT dude!!

[@paulmryglod4802]

I work construction and put in 50-60 hrs. I did morning/night splits 4d/wk for 5 weeks. I leaned out fast, but quality of life crashed. Tired, sore, stiff, no energy, no libido after a week. No steroids, I must have suppressed my testosterone levels.

[@robpizzuti1952]

Experiencing this exactly right now. Killed legs Sunday and worked a 24 hour shift construction Monday into Tuesday. Slept shitty because I have 3 kids. Skipped the gym this morning on Wednesday. Feel like total shit.

[@MattPeterson103]

Dr. Mike dealing out the knowledge bombs. Good stuff as always.

[@THEADZBRADZ]

Yessir

[@jaredcorreafitness9666]

Quality content as usual. Always take some valuable information away 💪🏽

[@tombombadil9113]

Great video. I would add that as I get older, I need more recovery, but just as he said, if I am more careful about sleep and nutrition I can improve that equation.

[@ChinChillR63s]

Many people confuse over training with bad form. When shit form starts to hurt; you see people take time off as if they need rest days but look the fucking same every day of the year

[@travisscott6257]

This guys info is always Gold.......Keep it up

[@BeiNacht]

seems like most people who would say there is no such thing as overtraining actually haven’t really worked out hard enough to make real big gains. I could see how this would be if you like to go to the gym and just do random exercises and never reach failure or actually make quality gains, but for myself I’ve come close to overtraining as a natural and as enhanced

[@rhysh2639]

Or they're simply on gear. People on gear recover MUCH faster and easier compared to drug-free lifters. These steroid users are speaking from personal experience, there's no such thing as overtraining.....when you're blasting a crap-load of gear.

[@davidsirmons]

"There's no such thing as overtraining, Just under-eating" **IF YOU'RE ON STEROIDS** (and even then, slicknuts, your nervous system doesn't regen faster after being overstressed)

[@jimbones155]

Overtraining only means you are doing more than you need to in order to progress. This is far different from training so hard that you experience an involuntary reduction in the level of intensity you are accustomed to, or what are called "bad days". This state of being can persist to the point where you become stagnant or sick and require several weeks or months to recuperate. Not only the muscular system is affected but also the neurological and adrenaline systems. This malady can creep up on athletes and go undetected unless they or their coach knows what to look for. Saying there is no such thing as overtraining is a bit cavalier.

[@beastini2289]

Didn't even watch the video did you?

[@jimbones155]

I did, but it's complete mumbo jumbo.

[@beastini2289]

He says multiple times overtraining is real, but that most people won't train hard enough to truly overtrain to the point of being unable to recover. That most peoples recovery aspects of nutrition, sleep, and stress levels just are cutting it. He says beyond that if all those are in check and you still aren't recovering then you probably need to lay off the training of a little bit.

[@jimbones155]

I disagree 100%. Most people do overtrain, but are not aware they are overtrained, they simply continue on the same path in a state of involuntary reduction in intensity due to overreaching. This is largely due to the fact that most people are unaware of their body and what it feels like to be in that state or condition. It's great to just say if your overtrained you need to lay off, but he doesn't define what being overtrained is.

[@beastini2289]

I do agree with you to an extent. People do overtrain but at a level they can fix that with controllable recovery variables such as diet, sleep, and stress level. Most people won't overtrain beyond that point to where they literally can't use those variables to recover. In which a deload week would be needed or possibly more. Again I agree that most people would not be in tune to that and should just take a deload on a schedule instead of waiting to crash and burn. Chad Wesley Smith the owner of JTS preaches about sub maximal less stressful training to mitigate overtraining and frying yourself.

[@ferna2294]

Short and concise.

[@Dandeeman26]

thanks I really appreciate the honesty in this video.

[@kirillkondrachov4864]

Just seeing the title of the video, without watching it, I was already typing an angry comment, then after about 20 seconds I relieving words.

[@Daniel_WR_Hart]

I heard this before and already knew it was myth, so I was pretty surprised when I saw the title

[@atlantairon6424]

GREAT stuff. when I first saw the title I was like NO Dr. Mike NO how could you lol

[@ThreePux]

Thank you guys so much for these awesome videos!

[@ThePasswordz]

Also too much stimulants is also unnecessary every single session can be detrimental.

[@TrillionsYes]

+bryan vela Thats what Stan says too

[@invinciblesun84]

+bryan vela Can you expand on this? I always take preworkout because im on night shift

[@ThePasswordz]

+Kuba Pearson i meant more along the lines of you shouldn't go into every workout smashing weights as in takings 3 scoops and playing death metal just to go to a max one of two rep, somedays you should go in just to have a good clean workout which I in the long run will produce more results and give you better confidence instead of thinking max max max all the time is what I was aiming at.

[@invinciblesun84]

Oh I see. Yeah I'm doing chads juggernaut method on his strong360 site. Love the hypertrophy gains so far

[@TrillionsYes]

Kuba Pearson Caffeine can increase cortisol levels wich if you take it alot you may be hindering gains in the long run.

[@heathfranklin9305]

I love this channel and Dr. Mike is an excellent public speaker.

[@stickman1251]

Excellent content!!!

[@pastoreric8283]

You Rock Doc! Great video!

[@Tkonpk]

As always Mike, great video.

[@SilenceInTheBliss]

Such a helpful video!

[@bobjenkins4925]

Great vid. If food really meant you couldn't possibly overtrain, then conversely, you're forced to believe that when cutting, you should perform a minuscule fraction of the work you were doing, when really it should probably only be slightly less.

[@anselmoufc]

Honest words, thanks for sharing them.

[@70gabino]

You explained this perfectly.

[@bigsoso20]

Video title triggered me. Great video though

[@OVOBoopah]

great info, thanks. But, is there anything you can do for the audio? sounds like there is an echo!

[@manueldevall1251]

reaaly really informative content, it's just awesome

[@iSeven1000]

great video

[@10dante43]

awesome video

[@mmcnamara35able]

Dr.Mike is just too good!! 💯💯

[@1rickopotamus]

that is a confident head position right there

[@IMR_Seb]

Think you could possibly have a go at the kid-weightlifting myth? About grow the plate damage and stuff along those lines?

[@JohnDBarcaFan]

I LOVE this channel !! Finally found something that's legit !!!!

[@zey101]

Does anyone else feel like Mike's statements about how hard it is to overtrain don't quite add up with most of his MRV estimates? Given what he says in this video about even people who lift 6x a week being unlikely to overtrain, I feel like the MRV numbers would be higher

[@radizero]

Yes, I'm also having an issue with this. I have a bad habit for doing bro-splits just because when I hit for example Chest and Tris, I couldnt possibly hit it until like 5-7 days after. Doing it twice a week is not an option for me. But splitting the workout to two days a week (example: 50% of the workout on monday and the rest of the 50% on thursday) just doesnt make me feel like ive done a workout that day. Any tips anyone?

[@Schnupfndrache7]

i love dr mike!

[@demmefrazier6629]

Thanks Mike I love heard this often, I'm not overtraining it's my nutrition, I work a regular job and mostly I don't get the proper meals or time to cook, I feel sluggish some days wondering why, I figure it was nutrition and slight supplementation, thanks man.

[@HeavyDude3000]

I love this guy!

[@escobari]

if you cannot recover sufficiently, you are overtraining period. really frustrating to hear this, when I cannot even squat and DL in the same week

[@Paolo-uq3fc]

No. Not period. If u can't recover sufficiently that could mean u are treating your recovery like a dumbass. And also, u must have some issue because pretty much everybody has it in them to squat and deadlift in the same week lol.

[@lmnts556]

Actually ur heart can give out if u train too hard for a number of years, but it depends on the heart, people have different hearts, some can take more punishment than others.

[@dimitargrudev8192]

I almost got "triggered" by the caption of the video.

[@timkinkaid6313]

This is the rare time that I’m going to disagree with you Doc. Health professionals have actually seen a dramatic shift in overtraining diagnosis. Gone are the days of competitive athletes overtraining. This is likely do to the increased rigor in observing them and tailoring their training. However we are seeing a substantial increase in middle aged non athletes, specifically unemployed married women. Many attribute this to the growing popularity of boot camp style training due to the high correlation with participation in that group.

[@ericviana8893]

Anyone know if recovery times are negatively altered when you mix training types? I cycle 5-10 hours/week and use weights about 8 hours a week. I know the physiologic adaptations for hypertrophy and endurance training are fairly opposite (in terms of mitochondria and angiogenesis) but do the opposing adaptions increase/decrease recovery times?

[@bobjenkins4925]

+Eric Viana it should depend somewhat on what you're conditioned to, and what you're switching to.

[@cdubb2447]

Cardiovascular training and muscle trauma are two distinct matters. Ultimately, the intensity dictates the rest period, but weight training elicits much more damage, so pay attention to recovery from the weights. Side note, when you perform weights (more anaerobic) vs higher intensity endurance training (aerobic) the body will favor adaptation towards endurance and you'll be stripped of strength and size gains. I'm not sure what your goals are, but you're training to get bigger, too much higher intensity cardio will hamper the results.

[@nerfy8358]

Cody Wirth That is a load of horse shit. Please source your claims

[@martymcfly6411]

Depends on how hard you go with cardio. Cardio can enhance recovery due to blood flow. But too much or too hard cardio would decrease recovery.

[@karimzaid9726]

sounds like whats termed overtraining is just underrecovering

[@shaun0621]

What about age? As I'm getting older it seems I recover slower or I'm just a big puss?

[@cristiansmistad1823]

Scpablo1 I personally enjoy crime fiction in my training blocks

[@kagartoe]

Interesting I prefer a bit of british cerebral crime drama in my hypertrophy phase.

[@Sealed_Chamber]

@@kagartoe Wow you must be so refined and worldly.

[@anthonyo1561]

Thank you. I thought I was overtraining

[@EmilWestrum]

Hi guys, doctor ISTREL here

[@gwijopihun8049]

Holy shit Mike is so much bigger now (2019)

[@nitirajdaby2554]

Solid

[@SAagreedSA]

Long-term weight loss moves the likelihood around in my experience. In prolonged energy-limited conditions, it seems like injury and overtraining alike are both more likely. To combat that for myself (down -132lbs from 2014, this has been a long ass cut) I take a couple of higher calorie days in a row with about 25% more of my standard macros, take those days off the gym, seems to get little aches and lagging-recovery body parts taken care of and I can get back at it at a high pace.

[@DylanGuynn]

Who said you can’t abandon your wife and children in order to get better workout recovery? 🤷‍♂️

[@stevekowalski7453]

Do you think eating vegan will hinder my PL total long term?

[@raketsteffe]

+Stephen Kowalski i honestly dont think drinking protein powder and eating bean could replace eggs, chicken, tuna or redmeat, but i could be very wrong

[@TrayCaddyyy]

Omar Isuf's buddy Vegan Powerlifting (check him out on Instagram) is a vegan and also a very strong powerlifter. I believe It would be easier to get strong as an omnivore though.

[@EADP1]

No, look up Patrik Baboumian. He is a plant based vegan and world record holding strongman competitor. Also Barny Du Plessis is mr. universe and he eats completely plant based.

[@raketsteffe]

But he is not as strong as people eating meat, right?

[@EADP1]

Strengthletics If you're talking about Patrik Baboumian, actually he's stronger than meat eaters considering he holds multiple world records even though meat eaters competed against him. But you can be strong no matter what you eat, it's just healthier to eat plant based.

[@pngzz1]

overtraining is real, you wont believe it until it happens to you more if you are an intense person you try to train harder because you are getting worse and you keep pushing and pushing your body to its limits and you only keep adding more stress to your body and make it worse. It's awful been trying to get out of this big hole now for months.

[@KungFuChopstick]

Perla Gzz Then you are an idiot.. Take your time to get stronger! Why the hurry?!

[@versatile3337]

Did u recover

[@bulldogvillan]

looking lean Dr Mike

[@simeoncvetkov2914]

Hi there!

[@coreynshaibonner4470]

Not knocking this guy from his knowledge stand point but looking at him and CT Fletcher I'm going to trust CT about the overtraining idea...

[@patrickbateman4541]

CT is a genetic freak and on steroids. He can push a lawnmower and look like a physique competitor

[@bmorgan2342]

Yeah i hope my joint could ecover bettee without roids

[@leninfernandez9279]

Misleading title AF

[@DelkorYT]

Idk man, Mike looks like an older version of Izzy

[@McLaneFS]

Cryotherapy is a good tool professional athletes use

[@DinoLujetic]

Found Dr. Mike talks few weeks ago, watched his content a lot. I don't know why but I trust this guy :)

[@MrBeckenhimself]

People who make the claim that overtraining doesn't exist should legally be stripped of their right to give advice since they obviously don't know shit about training. THERE IS such a thing as overtraining. How doI know? I was overtraining for the longest time and NO that's not an opinion. It's a scientific fact. I have everything to back it up. Blood pressure tests - blood pressure high ( normally low ) Blood tests - deficiency of vitamin d amongst other things like b12. Resting heart rate - evelated by a margin to say the least. Serotonin and dopamine levels way down. Mentally exhausted. Constant state of anxiety and depression. Pains and aches everywhere that wouldn't go away. Stiff as a damn plank - naturally very flexible can do splits. Extremely low libido. - naturally horny all the damn time. So take it from a guy who's been there there IS such a thing as overtraining.

[@spamplz1]

How long it takes for you to recover from the overtraining?

[@MrBeckenhimself]

spamplz1 Still recovering lol. Its been 3 months now I was very very overtrained and for a long time. But now everything is looking good again low bloodp pressure just like I have naturally, steady resting heart rate much less anxiety and depression. I can lift weights again but I can't do any cardio besides going for walks. I guess I'll be at 100% in one month or so.

[@hynori1819]

You didn't watch the whole video right?

[@MrBeckenhimself]

@@hynori1819 I actually did watch the video, and I read the comments too. Where so many people claimed there was no overtraining.

[@versatile3337]

@@MrBeckenhimself how are you now? Recovered?

[@mainaccount7585]

What if my muscle is sore on the day i wanna train it...does that mean its not fully recovered and i should wait longer, e.g if i do a full body workout on monday and wanna do it again on wednesday...can i train if my muscles are sore

[@personperson9591]

You can train if sore, yes. Having DOMs doesn't mean you're overtraining, but there are reasons for having too hard of DOMs and where it can make you suffer if you don't address it. Foam rolling can help with DOMs, as can active-recovery between workouts (as in, if you do a full-body workout mon, and want to do another one wed, you'll be better off if you do some sort of mild activity like walking and stretching at the very least on Tues compared to sitting around doing nothing, as the bloodflow will help recovery). If you're giving your muscle groups 48 hours to recover, for the vast majority of folks that should be plenty enough and won't be overtraining those muscle groups.

[@SiMon-dx9iy]

Train sub maximally it will pay off in the end

[@picklevoncrunchnmunch7946]

he's not a doctor, he's a dawkter. Because what he's saying is stuff I can learn from any one of the 10,000 "professional" trainers who alllll say the same thing on youtube.

[@CBFW_KO]

I'm tryna maintain a jawline and slim cheeks to not look like you Dr

[@XXLRebel]

I think sleeping is way more important. A week ago I went on to game again with a friend of mine until 6 in the morning because I hadn't gamed in a long time. The day after that(the day after that day I didn't sleep well) I squatted and I couldn't even rep out 2 reps of my 3RM squat. A week later I slept really well and was able to do it for 5 reps. Definitely gonna be more consistent with ny sleep.

[@mikejones9906]

Only idiots train in the morning

[@slowcar68]

I'm lucky if I can get 4 hours of sleep a night..

[@wuzhappening]

Boo hoo

[@MrTas44]

Kevin Espinosa ? You good

[@hvafaenskaljeghete1800]

Monday - back & biceps Tuesday - chest, triceps & shoulders Wednesday - legs Thursday - back & biceps Friday - chest, triceps, shoulders & legs

[@khristophsatori8826]

..and now yoga

[@TrustNJesusChrist]

Go ahead and overtrain and spend twice as long as someone who is smart training which will take less time. Your body can only take so much before it needs time to recover. And this is where PEDs come in. You can go ahead cheat as well, and risk damaging your insides trying to recover faster. Also a reason Crossfitters get rhabdomyolysis waaaay more than bodybuilders do. Not only are they not performing the exercise properly a lot of the time, but they think spending hours doing high intensity exercises is how you get fit. No..

[@dnjj1845]

Lee Priest said this crap once

[@EB-iz3rn]

my brain works much better on keto and concentration is a little bit better too, also not as sleepy after meals but the downside is it is harder to fall asleep at night and the sleep is maybe half of what is was on carbs time-wise

[@thebanaap]

misleading title.

[@everbackwards4122]

Nope, it says Myth in the title.

[@jwilde93]

+Ever Backwards no it doesnt?

[@Cjtpine]

my boy twitch.tv/frimia sent me here

[@bentmercer]

No over training? Sure there isn't. That's why people do 12 hours a day of max deadlifts...

[@jpvoxdawg]

It's more of a meme than a myth. "Ain't no such thing as overtraining, just under eating and under sleeping!"

[@mayukhsen8195]

It's actually a true thing. The harder you train the more you gain. Provided you eat enough and sleep enough. It's actually fucking true guys.

[@patrickbateman4541]

Absolutely not

[@mayukhsen8195]

@@patrickbateman4541 My experience begs to differ with all due respect. Call me Paul Allen.

[@mayukhsen8195]

@@patrickbateman4541 I had alcohol withdrawal syndrome for a while. Hypoactive delirium and what not. So it was 4 months of rest for me. I trained hard af with one arm push ups, divebomber pike push ups and push ups. For 3 months and change. Like a maniac. Gained 22lbs of bodyweight, not just muscle, but looked like it was just muscle. Benched double bodyweight the first day in a gym. I basically did 2 sets till failure per exercise each session. 2 sessions per day. I had a 2-3 hour nap in the afternoon. Then the second session same shit. Did it for sleep and mood. I was recovering incredibly well between sessions. I was eating like a pig too. Miss those days. Don't workout anymore but my max reps are the same, muscularity is the same. I do train a set per movement a day these days per day.

[@patrickbateman4541]

@@mayukhsen8195 that doesn't sound high volume at all, infact sounds pretty moderate, so no wonder you recovered and grew

[@ShammyLadoo]

What about tendonitis? that's a sign of overtraining what the fuck

[@josephsiko6731]

"is there such a thing as over training, even under ideal circumstances? You bet." word for word quote from the video.

[@ShammyLadoo]

Joseph Siko Yeah but is this guy trying to say that if you eat a lot and make nutrition a big priority it prevents the occurance of tendon problems/overuse?

[@archilonshadowheart7]

4 two hour sessions no, but i've heard of TONNES of olympic athletes mostly gymnasts and divers who train 8 hours every single day and are fine because there diet is on point the intra supplementation and all the other stuff is on point and they force themselves to have an 8 hour chunk of sleep and nap as often as possible. stalin had a select group of soliders he doubled there world from it went from 6 hours a day to 12, and olga korbut was a gold medal gymnast and she trained 12 hours 6 days a week and improved. hell i've done this for a month justto prove a point and did bi's one day tri's the next and they grew and were stronger and leaner but i was ontop of everything at the least i could of thrown in two more meals a day but i was still going good. i feel regardless of how much sleep i get the days i hit a very high protein count i feel like i can train all day and carbs are protein sparing so why wouldnt they have ANY anti catabolic effects? hell even if i have70g of carbs from vitargo with 20g of essential amino acids every two hours during each of those four two hour sessions i'm sure i could do it, but i wouldnt be deadlifting in all of those sessions everyday and improving, noit because it's overtraining it's because i cant eat enough and sleep enough to support that amount of stress, well can but arent willing or cant afford too. just my opinion though

[@decathlete2000]

Hi, can you please elaborate on this: ''the intra supplementation and all the other stuff is on point and they force themselves to have an 8 hour chunk of sleep '' What are ur macros?? What supplements u use?

[@bibimann5222]

but he is bald...

[@JohnFarrellDev]

That title is clickbait as fuck.

[@Cruellabane]

Not really. It's exactly the topic of the video.

[@JohnFarrellDev]

Never Defeated Athletics "no such thing as undertraining" Sure it's the topic but the statement is clickbait.

[@aaronsoodonihm8816]

And yet here you are...

[@josephsiko6731]

The title is the myth he is busting.

[@JohnFarrellDev]

***** ironic comment

[@giorgiogazzola5972]

Roids allow one to work harder than natties.

[@mayankprasad6714]

Thank you for making this video