No Sugarcoat - Big Comparison Of Shimano STEPS Motors: EP8 vs. E8000 vs. E7000. Power, Range & More!

[@patrick.991]

One of the best videos of e-motors that exists. I wish someone would compare all available motors like this. Perfectly made!

[@markbroad119]

I really like the honesty and the menu in the description. Thanks Makes me feel more comfortable getting a Norco Sight

[@groengm2012]

Great to hear your comparison , You just gave the most detailed review on these motors so far. Your videos are always worth the listen

[@adrianhrusca4067]

You are so spot on with the ratio around 25kmh...think the first on youtube who explaines that.

[@guyt54]

Great video! One big issue that I read about the new EP8 is a loud rattle noise when not pedaling on rough terrain. You do mention the noise problem the video, but it doesn't seam to be a big issue to you, but to some, it's a deal breaker. More on that issue from you would be appreciated. Thanks!

[@Nik4o1977]

Thanks mate for the vast and comprehesive opinions, I'll stick for now to my truly 8000 with 2000 km on it , without any problems and do not upgrade it with ep8. Respect! Keep goin'!

[@Jeremy_ab_ca]

Awesome honest opinions - thanks for this. The upgrading motors was very interesting - no need to upgrade if nothing is wrong with your current eMTB!

[@TestTestovicch]

Great story about bikes and the practical side of using them in general!

[@Stanislav_Lauko]

Please make the video you mentioned about "How to ride efficiently on ebike battery", I'm very curious.

[@Ludo_A]

That is why sickbiker has 234K subscribers. Keep it honest!

[@L4J20]

The practicality is why I chose a bike with e8000 and external battery (Commencal Meta Power)

[@tamasvarga67]

Yeah same here... loving my Meta Power. The battery is small and 2,6kg it’s convenient when carrying a spare for long rides.

[@okcyurwin]

I've use the sram ex1 which came with my Focus Sam2 pro. I've covered nearly 5000km and I'm still on the first cassette. I've rotated 3 ex1 chains. For me 8 gears on an ebike is spot on. The motor takes up any hardship from not having the "perfect" gear you may have with 12 cogs. Sram built the ex1 for e-mtb and I'm a big fan👍🏼. Great reviews 🚲🚲

[@abelramos8652]

It’s nice because many bikes with E7000 are more cheap (like this Merida) and then you see the E7000 even got some pros than the others. It’s more range, less noise, better modulation ... not a deal breaking as you may think, the Boost mode is always there if you need power.

[@rc51bigdaddy]

Two things: First, there is an adapter you can buy for the internal Shimano battery that enables you to charge it off the bike. I have two of the 504wh batteries and charge one of them off the bike. Second, I noticed a huge improvement on my Santa Cruz Heckler after going to a 29 inch front wheel. I think it depends on the bike and rider and where you are riding. I ride in an area with lots of hills and roots and the 29 front wheel gets over stuff easier.

[@smuy3782]

The adapter ships with all new bikes. If you had to buy one it's because your bike shop didn't give it to you.

[@GH-iw5ew]

Yep, I helped pioneer 650b and after spending a fair amount of time on a 29er, never looked back. Back and front most of the time. Except in snow where I go extra wide so I do 275ers. Even my 5'3" tall wife does well on 29 most of the time. But in anyone under 5'7" they should try both and see what works best for their own particular anatomy.

[@Djangoat68]

Excellent video- thank you!

[@amandavanstralen4720]

Nice review. In real world there is a big difference in ridder weight and distance what you can ride. If you are a little heavy the distance drasticaly changes and you need all the torque you can get uphill.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

I have a 2020 Merida E160 8000. But all those Meridas in your video look great. Funnily enough, I still like the external battery on the old models. Local kids say 'cool bike bro' when they see me. Lol

[@andremoura8594]

Thank you for sharing with us so important informations. You are great.👍👍 See you around. 🇧🇷

[@PhotoStrider]

Great video......very informative and useful information....thanks very much 👍👏😃

[@richmond411]

Great video! Lot of information I've never heard from any dealer (e.g. number of gears not being that important) Just one comment: I've been told that Mullet configuration has the advantage that the bike can be built slightly lower. For me as a short person that's surely an advantage.

[@mongolacken5412]

Thank you for a great comparison and great pointers 👍🏼😊

[@alexabraham7798]

hes so right about the gear ratios in regards to the 25km

[@cmuralhas]

Thanks for the review :) one aspect I don’t agree though: I use the 51 teeth part of my rear cassete a lot on my Merida Eone-SixTy eBike. Also I never had a better drive train than the XT 12 speed, it’s even better on an eBike than on my normal bike.

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[@pdglagger]

Very informative video Mr. @SickBiker. Thank you. I'm now considering a purchase of second hand Merida E160 with Shimano Steps E7000 and this video has convinced me it will be still good enough for my first emtb. Do you have any suggestions what to check first on these bikes when buying used?

[@highlander5304]

Love your reviews buddy! Thank you.

[@vaughanboyce3702]

The E7000 is a very underated motor I have 3,000kms so far and its been faultless, its lighter, quieter and more efficient than the E8000, it has more than enough grunt at 60nm. I agree that 12sp is unnecessary on an ebike I run 11sp max 42t.

[@tamasvarga67]

Just to make it clear the E7000 is not lighter, E7000/E8000 are both 2,8kg and the efficiency comes from the less power... still, it’s an awesome choice and 60Nm is enough for many riders. While the necessary number of gears is one thing but depending where you ride, the wide range is necessary. I run 11 speed 11-46 with 32t chainring on my E8000. The factory 11-42 with 34t wasn’t low enough for me as I prefer lower gear ratio over Boost mode.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

E8000 with 2100km. No problems. Happy with 12 speed , I wouldn't change.

[@rockmount181]

I've done 3 E7000s all around 1k miles 🤬

[@glennoc8585]

Danny's mom is an ebiker very cool

[@bernsev5026]

Bonne explication , très claires . Merci 👍😊

[@marcmalan1014]

Awesome review. I have the eone forty 5000 with the e7000 motor, but am thinking of upgrading just the motor. Shimano South Africa say they will only have the ep8 upgradeable motor in April 2021, but I cannot upgrade my 503Wh battery to 630Wh, because of the length of the battery.Would it be adviseable to upgrade to the e8000 then? Thanks.

[@manuabecassis]

Hello Danny very good video, I would dare say the most fair one regarding the motors. The comparison with Bosch was great. You spoke about the 10 speed Vs 12 for ebike, I liked it a lot. I would be please to see the maintenance video for the fork. Great work. Thx

[@NunoCarapau]

Hi! I have the new MErida 8000 2021 and we can take out the battery and charge it at home, no issues. Just for everybody be aware.

[@chrischambers9902]

Going to puchase this bike also, is it as good as they say? Cheers

[@NunoCarapau]

@@chrischambers9902 amazing bike. I am crazy, super handling! Even the suspensions (not factory stuff) are really amazing. And I have fox factory in other bikes, so I can compare. go for it!

[@duanelucas4057]

I got mine two days ago in Australia. What a weapon!!

[@todd3090]

Awesome video

[@Svenduro1]

Hi, there is a adapterplug for charging the build in batteries. Its a original Shimano piece. Tnx for the nice review. I was considering to upgrade my e8000 to a ep8

[@zedudli]

I don’t know what kind of bosch motor you were referring to when talking about noise, but my experience is the total opposite. I rode a bosch performance line for years and even in turbo mode it was very quiet. I then switched to a GT ePantera with a Shimano e8000 and at maximum assistance it’s like riding a lawnmower. It’s whiny loud and super annoying, but I’ll take that over the new bosch with its anti tampering software that can brick your bike and leave you stranded if there is any kind of communication problem (even the ones not directly caused by derestricting) between the speed sensor and the motor

[@sebastiengiovannelli8556]

so after 2 year , ep8 or e8000 ?

[@thebdceigal]

I have a Norco sight VLT with 12s cassette, I rarely use 12th gear but do occasionally use 11th on really steep climbs but I am living near mountains in British Columbia and there are some very steep sections. Almost never use boost mode.

[@IT-fr4wb]

interestingly my Focus with t E8000 will blank-out on t screen when nearing t limit of t battery storage in Trail, but turning off then on will allow you to continue further as long as you select Eco mode.

[@johnnywallace8123]

I like to ride my bike with the motor off quite often so I appreciate the gearing. A health thing I suppose, but I don't disrespect those that do not.

[@cbabike]

Great video 🚴🏻‍♂️⚡️

[@tsalesto]

I bought a 2019 Canyon with a E8000 system hoping that the battery would be upgradable, which turned out to be correct. The motor would be upgradable also, alas they cannot be found anywhere. I have ridden about 4700 km to this date and I have completely worn out the 15, 17 and 19 tooth cogs on the rear cassette. That seems to be the sweet spot with 34 tooth chainring. I would be very happy getting a 12-46 tooth 12-speed cassette, 11-46 would be great too and maybe even a 11-speed would be OK. I find that I don't really need, nor use the 11 and 50 teeth cogs once even in a week of riding.

[@gunnarhelgason7938]

There is adapter that should come with the bike when you take the battery out of the bike to charge.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Yes. Shops try to scam you.

[@КириллСандалькин]

Great video!

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Love the suggestion about the speed sensor. 25kmh is annoying.

[@adityabhise230]

You can charge them when they are out

[@frakafrocka]

how serviceable are these motors? do they have ipx rating for water resistance? love ur channel. thanks

[@chrisjacksondrift]

Mine come with a adapter to charge the battery off the bike

[@santosj2274]

Love your review.

[@DerPingus]

I'm extremely curious about what you said about the cadence, which is when too high, it will actually drain more battery. I rude a Santa Cruz Heckler from 2020 and average cadence on rides I do is 110 rpm (with the eco mode 99% of the time). Are you telling that a lower cadence would actually give me more range?

[@MTBwithMiguel]

Try it yourself

[@Dietereater]

Ride at 5kph and you get 200km in 12 hour rides lol

[@MaciekP2]

Jest specjalna przejściówka do baterii mała która pozwala na ładowanie tej baterii wewnętrznej poza rowerem . Zabieram ją razem z Ładowarką w plecaku a nie zapasową baterię i w ten sposób mogę zabrać baterie do schroniska. STEPS SM-BTE80

[@magilla220265]

Well done, very useful test between shimano engines,and usefull general condiderations, I am concerned that you say the 7000 is less durable than the 8000, what are the parts that should wear or break? Has anyone ever sent an E7000 to service during the warranty period, requesting replacement with an 8000, paying the difference?

[@Minecraftrok999]

Don't worry about that. The E7000 is an amazing motor and is also reliable. If you'd want the motor exchanged you'd likely have to pay full price. And the E7000 is certainly more durable than many other motors in the market. (including mine)

[@alanblurr1265]

Great review! You know that if you cover your chain, your drive will last way longer?

[@Mobimanie]

When you were comparing to Bosch concerning sound you were comparing to latest gen. Of Bosch CX 4? Correct? It is good to have some Videos of you again and to hear and see you🤩. Maybe you have a chance to compare this EP8 Bikes to a late Bosch bike like the Radon Render or Cube Stereo Hybrid... 👍😀👌

[@faisalrafique6107]

Hi I live in KSA and getting into cycling though have done all my teens cycling. I wonder if you could kindly guide on bike I should buy. We have trek brand here and rides would me mainly city rides. Would appreciate if kindly model numbers are identified for specific type of road bikes recommended. Thanks low range, mid range and your recommendation what to go for. Thanks

[@cmuralhas]

My 12sp drivetrain on my ebike gets used a lot on the 51 teeth. My area is very hilly and since I ride a lot with people without bikes that's the natural gear for uphills. Also it means less battery consumption.

[@carlos_ribeiro]

What it's your battery health on the BT 8035 battery and how many cycles you already made it? after a year of use stills show to you 100k on a fully charge on eco mode?

[@nikstar999]

Can you still move the sensor to the crank arm with EP8 like before? You said the magnet is integrated, but if I buy a new one

[@davelee88]

Hi, I’m looking to buy an Santa Cruz bullit with the older E7000 motor. Can this be upgraded to the ep8 if I decide to upgrade in the future?

[@MTBwithMiguel]

Hey man. I have the SC bullit with e7000. Watch my videos. It is a blast and you can upgrade to the Ep8 no problem. The frame was designed for the ep8 not the e7000! Good luck

[@alexrelexer]

Thank you for you video! perhaps you or other readers have a good tip for me? I would like to buy a new bike with a Shimano motor. I am not used to E-bikes, I most of the time ride on hard roads in the dunes and a little bit offroad (with Continental Slicks on my Intersens 26", 3x9). I would love a new E-MTB with hardtail with lockout and use it witch slicks. I will ride large parts around 50KM/h. What can be advised regarding the nowadays casettes etc?

[@BeniKenesei]

So you never serviced the motor itself since you got it? I have the same E8000, and I couldn't find any information about it, whether it needs to be serviced or not.

[@tsalesto]

There is no service needed. Even the bike stores cannot repair or service motors. If it breaks, you get a new one. (In theory.)

[@tamasvarga67]

What would you want to service on the motor? No oil and filter change it’s like your washing machine. Just keep updating the firmware and that’s all...

[@mst3rmindd]

If a bike has an E7000 motor, is it typically able to upgrade to an E8000 or EP8 with fabrication?

[@tsalesto]

The motors are not readily available. However, I believe that the motor mounts are identical on them and are a direct swap, if you happen to find one. Additionally the newer 630 Wh BT-E8016 external battery fits a frame for the 504 Wh BT-E8010 external battery, this needs a little and easy modification to the battery mount or a new mount meant for the new battery.

[@mst3rmindd]

@@tsalesto thank you for the thorough response 🙏

[@groengm2012]

I believe that the7000 is not repairable but the 8000 is. So the up grade to the bigger motor when the old one lays an egg

[@tamasvarga67]

Mounting points are the same for all three but you need Shimano factory software to set up the new ‘raw’ motor for your bike. You won’t be able to do that at home.

[@The_s_d]

of course you can charge the newer batteries offline. and i prefer having a bottle cage. i need the 12 drive because of the fastest gear (10) not because of the 51.

[@Minecraftrok999]

You do have an E-Bike without a speed limiter, right? Because else I can't really see the use of a 10 cog gear. You could always increase the tooth at the front chainring for some added speed. Maybe couple it with a 10-36 cassette for some tighter spacing between the gears.

[@stanzak4529]

Hello, I'm also a subscriber to your channel. I'm sorry, but without the captions, I'm a little lost; Thank you for adding captions. Enjoy!

[@thomasthompson9241]

I think the 7000 being the cleanest of all three bikes speaks more than anything.

[@robertopaolasini5770]

BRAVO!

[@meuliedoka]

This review kind of confirms my feeling about the continuing evolution of products like the E bike motors but this accounts for many other products too. At a certain point manufacturers keep updating their equipment and specs because it's part of the game and they need to keep up with the specs of competition. Consumers like to believe the latest model is always better and better performing and in reality this true but marginaly noticable by the average john Doe. Durability however seems to be far more important to me then most of the other BS. I am verry glad that I was able to buy my E8000 E bike at about the point there was an update to hapen in the shimano product range. I had a verry good deal on the bike...

[@martinussen34]

On e8000 you might have problems with turning the bike on in low temperatures.

[@yuriodetto9933]

Can you insert subtitles?

[@su1raM]

What for? English is international and only must language for everyone.

[@Dietereater]

Power to weight ratio. My e160 e8000 carbon frame is a bit light than the e160 7000 EP8 aluminium frame with the bigger battery. We sat side by side and with New Zealand 32kph settings left the EP8 standing still which had EU setting when reaching its cut off assist. Travelling at 25kph ended with the same range after the rider fatigued with the cutting on/off. 32kph preserves the motor and battery designed by the manufacturer for optimal intent for uses purposes. The race format is wrong and should be similar to trials motor bike competition which has foot down penalties. My problem is I am gaining muscle mass instead of losing weight atm.

[@danielledunbar7514]

8000 or so miles one 1 cassette

[@Thealcani]

Stuttgart!!1

[@intelligentph3467]

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[@ozPanzer]

Cool story...

[@BleakVision]

Sorry but I could not follow this video at all. Just pointing and paning and endless spoken facts. Not good.

[@thecocabonga]

You talk to much, for so less information.