No-Tattoo tattoo artists? No!

[@buukute]

Executioner doesn't have to kill himself to be a good one. Doesnt he? "If I have tattoos on my body, it's not my own work, it is somebody else's so that doesn't prove whether I am good or bad" The best answer!

[@seanamrein4989]

Thats a bit of a leap from getting your own tattoos because you tattoo and committing suicide because you are an Executioner. But I respect your reply

[@lilskullstattoos9372]

I'd have to disagree, I've learned so much from being tattooed. Things like what's super uncomfortable or what will shorten a persons tolerance, what will get them over the line for longer session, what parts of the body take more fussing over to heal, which parts hurt more, how extra pillows and positioning can assist with longer sessions, how pressure of wiping or how gentle you are can help a client sit for longer, how life style, occupation, age will effect the healing process. Being more in touch with how to maintain modesty when tattooing more intimate areas and what clothing to wear , how to work with your client to get them across the finish line.. sooo many things I've learned from being in the chair that's prepared me better to care for my clients .. 🤷‍♀️ I'm sure these things could be learned without it but there's no better way than to experience it yourself. No hate ❤ just my experience .. ❤

[@ivoivica7891]

see I don't judge an artist when they have no tattoos.. from what I have seen most artists have really bad ones on themselves.. so I would rather a artist with none then one with bad ones

[@renatoreyes6583]

Most tattoo artists have bad tattoos because either they practiced on them selves before they actually got good or were young and the thought of a tattoo jst amazed them (which is the case for me) that at a young age they started trying to make homemade machines then tattoo themselves which is why I have 3 bad tattoos but it's also a reminder from where I came from now I am a pretty dope lettering artist but back then nowhere near at all artists will only get better over time

[@seanamrein4989]

Very based as an artist it's a right of passage to practice on yourself

[@maleetal]

i do agree with you. but i do know a tattoo artist that doesnt have tattoos. he is my favourite artist and the only reason he doesn't have one is out of respect for his father that is super religious. he has been tattoing for over 25 years and worked his ass off for it. and he does it because he loves it. so i think there are some there that is ok that they dont have one

[@oRafaeldapaz]

coudn't agree more. how can you perform a brain surgery if no one ever performed a brain surgery on you?

[@SuperMissRain]

😂😂😂 👌 perfect answer

[@SuperMissRain]

@@Gramkan Its called sarcasm 🙂

[@nanaface19]

My older sister is a tattoo artist going 15 years and she doesn’t have a single tattoo but is an absolute phenomenal tattoo artist, so this whole statement “no-tattooed tattoo artist” Is lame af 🤣

[@Zombosis]

15 years of disrespect and exploitation. Good for you.

[@ivanbolanos1536]

@@Zombosis okayy

[@nanaface19]

@@Zombosis the tattoo industry is constantly changing and growing, staying stuck in your old ways won’t make you happy if you’re constantly getting stressed over other people.

[@BussyConnoisseur]

Can I get her info? She have IG? Or an online portfolio?

[@melanieincognito6714]

I FOUND ONE OMG HAHAHAH

[@eliandersen5287]

Ignoring the countless flaws in this guy's argument, who cares if you have the respect of your peers? The only this that matters is that you have the respect of your clients, and that you make beautiful art that you are proud of and that your client is proud to wear, (in a safe/sterile environment with proper training) no one else's opinio matters.

[@Hateline]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I think it's sort of up to whether or not the customer is satisfied. Peers... LMFAO

[@Pinky-kc8go]

I view it like this: I love oil paintings, but I wouldn't hang them up inside my home because they don't fit with the rest of my interior. It doesn't match the style. Instead, I admire them in a museum or gift my own paintings to other people. Tattoo is a lifestyle choices that you don't need to make in order to become an artist. I can admire the art and call myself a tattoo artist, without having to put up the paintings on my bedroom wall

[@lilskullstattoos9372]

I've just found your Chanel dude .. even giving advice on how to keep up the stamina to sit a day session, I've learned by being tattooed by someone who dry wipes and or with a lot of pressure, further traumatised my skin and reduces my tolerance to sit longer so I'm super aware of doing it to others. My body is full of old injuries and I have shitty spine (as we all do) but it helps to be aware of clients injuries so you can position them without agrivating a shoulder, hip or so on. Having insight as to how their life style may effect their healing and being able to give advice accordingly... all the things. I was a very heavily tattooed nurse before I started tattooing. I think both have helped. I really hope you continue to make videos. I couldn't help but chuckle away, I'm sure you've made some ❄️ s cry with your honesty. Thank you for your effort and insight! Peace from Aus 🇦🇺

[@dzeroism151]

you are very narrow minded, there are a lot of conditions that prevent you from getting tattoos, for example psoriasis, a skin disease that can cover up to 90% of your body. and maybe you love tattooing but you know, passion for tattooing won't make it better, or a blood clotting, haemophilia? theres a lot of factors, but still you can show your respect and passion about it even if you cannot get one. how about women that cannot born a child but love parenting them? do you have to born a child to be a good mother?

[@Zombosis]

Psoriasis is not an excuse. I happen to know people who -have- almost entire-body psoriasis coverage, and they're still tattooed. As for haemophilia, in its milder forms its situationally-treatable (and thus not a barrier to getting tattooed) and in extreme forms would preclude the individual from working in tattooing anyways, for the needle-stick risks. THERE ARE NO REASONS, ONLY JUSTIFICATIONS.

[@renatoreyes6583]

parenting a child is nothing at all alike like tattooing

[@lunasims5849]

@@renatoreyes6583 yeah its mutch mire difficult than tattooing so you can compare it...

[@hannahlou3406]

Yep, I have keloids which means I shouldn't get a tattoo, it could create a permanent invasive scar that might grow forever.

[@buukute]

@@renatoreyes6583 well, imagine the cost of having kids to raise a child and saving money for their college.

[@zoezoe2254]

I‘m quite annoyed with all the comments that say it‘s no issue when a tattooer has no tattoos him/herself. First: For me it‘s not so much the pain-part that they couldn‘t relate to; they literally don‘t know how it is to have tattoos on your body for the rest of your life. You decide on something you‘ll look at for decades - and sometimes it wasn‘t the best decision but - at least for a great majority - that often is part of getting tattooed. And when I‘m old and wrinkled I‘ll be proud of my tattooed body. Second: Thank you for mentioning the much older culture of tattoing seen e.g. on Ötzi! There is much more to tattoing and getting tattooed if you have all it‘s ancient history in mind. It seems that all over the world and througout ages cultures were drawn to mark there skins; either as protection, part of a ritual, therapeutical treatment (as seen on Ötzi), and so on…. And if you don‘t have any yourself you‘re kind of closing yourself up to a huge part of it‘s culture. To sum up I think it‘s a pitty not to be tattooed as a tattooer - because it would give them a much deeper understanding of what they are doing.

[@krisputter7211]

😂😂 I have none because I can’t make up my mind, yet I tattoo others and they love my style and respect me for my personal choice. It’s just another medium, which I am passionate for all the work I do whether painting drawing or tattooing.

[@deathlygeorge]

I can't make up my mind as well and I often change my mind a lot XD

[@jameslee1374]

I agree with u, but I have a friend who had a passion for drawing , she did all kinda type of art and one day someone recommended her to be a tattoo artist. She knew nothing about tattooing so she decided to tattoo on her self, she doesn't have a sleeve or anything but she did alot experiment on her legs. It was painfull and hard tattooing your self and she end up working as apprentice but she haven't gotten any other tattoo except for tge ones she did on her legs. Now my question is, would my friend be considered qualified to be a tattoo artist ? She not one to get a sleeve or anything but she did switched work so ahe can have a better job where she can make money doing what she love drawing + now tattooing. Mindn u as an apprentice, she made shit but she suck it up and really wanted the job.

[@keithdurocher1773]

Absolutely. In fact, this is another thing that I personally believe all artists should start with- their first piece should be on themselves. I mean, the more tattoos your artist has, the more proof of their passion and commitment to the culture and craft, but some are always better then none.

[@laurenalston9390]

random question, if you were to put numbing cream on in the spot you are going to get a tattoo before you get it done, will it affect the tattoo?

[@Zombosis]

Hey Lauren--- honestly, I should do an entire episode on numbing agents. Generally speaking, you can use them, but you need to be very careful which numbing creme/gel you use, and you have to accept that it -may- alter your skin in such a way as to give you a bad heal--- which just means having to touchup/redo the tattoo, so its not really a 'gain' in the long run. Plus, they are diminishing-return options... meaning, they dont last all that long (especially the topical ones meant to be used beforehand, like Emla) and so again it might not be the easy answer you're seeking. For me personally, I use them only in extreme cases to buy a little more time right near the end of particularly intense and long sessions.

[@TheIndiesMellows]

Happy you made this video. I saw your other one and was too thinking that it seemed irrelevant to be tattooed to tattoo. However, you sold me on two points. The fact that empathy is only felted by also having the same experiences. You simply can’t relate if you never had. You can only judge or have an opinion, to which really doesn’t matter if your not able to relate. And secondly, the culture. I would hate to not be apart of something I’m not. It’s too fake nor does it make any sense. I’ve been practicing for about a year on fake skin and some parts on friends who trust me. And was interested in possibly picking up a apprenticeship to learn more and get better in skill. I don’t want it for the money since I already have a good paying career. But I want to simply do good work, just to be proud of what I can do. Nonetheless, I’m realizing I got more homework to do before my first step into the tattoo culture. Thanks for this valuable content. Keep it up, your opinions are very interesting for those who don’t have a clue about the tattoo world.

[@eggroll8984]

Whatever you say bro.

[@lachose00]

Thanks the industry is evolving with more open minded people than he is, guys you can absolutely tattoo with no tatto on yourself don't listen to people that tell you otherwise, in the end of the day you will be judge on your work not on your life choices. Plus there is no shame in wanting to earn money from your hard work.

[@ryanlucus1684]

I think doctors shouldn't do heart surgery unless they had heart surgery done on them.

[@ryanlucus1684]

I'm just kidding

[@cathalinejumawan7934]

What if a keloid former wants to become a tattoo artist? I want to learn tattooing but watching this, I'm discouraged. I really want to have a tattoo but this condition stops me from getting one. 😔

[@Zombosis]

I would take that as a personal challenge. Ive tattooed clients who are at extreme risk of keloid and they've been fine. However, if if you were to try to get a tattoo, and it keloided up and became a mass of scarring, that would still show that you *tried*. That your passion exists for it. You would be able to show a potential client that you tried to go the distance and it just didnt work for you to get covered. Thats still a hell of a lot better than the petulant insistence that you "just dont need to be tattooed" to be tattoo artist that so many people getting into this are showing.

[@becs1990]

You could try a test area(somewhere it wont be seen very often) and just get something small and see what happens :)

[@suplexed]

I fully understand being wierded out by a tattoo artist that has no tattoos. They kinda feel like marriage counsellors who've never been married. There's a level of understanding that you honestly just can't have without experiencing something yourself. However, that has just about NO bearing whatsoever on a tattoo artist's SKILL, or their ability to give you a good tattoo. You wouldn't turn down a surgeon just because they've never been operated on. Personal experience is far less reliable than the collected experiences of several individuals (i.e. clients). Every career is 'exploited' by the people who have said career. I could go on about pretty much every point in this video; none of them are convincing. There's just no objetive reason to not like or to mistrust 'no-tattoo tattoo artists'. Honestly all you had to say was "tattoo artists without tattoos are just kinda odd, and they're probably cowards, so I wouldn't get a tattoo from one" and I'd have agreed with you.

[@Noname-ok4tf]

I am planning to be a tattoo apprentice and to be clear I DO want tattoos, but I'm not going to rush and get things I don't really like in order to be taken seriously by crusty old men.

[@Noname-ok4tf]

Also, why the hostility towards more conventional "fine artists"? I hear this kind of talk among graphic designers and illistrators too and I don't get it. People who want to make art to get into galleries aren't denagrating your art just by doing their own thing and why do you just have to commit to only one kind of art and shut out the possibility of doing anything else?

[@Noname-ok4tf]

Actually after watching his apprenticeship video I can see where he's coming from. Fine arts people acting like tattooing is below them. I doubt he would have an issue with someone that wants to sincerely do tattooing among other illustrative work.

[@mmushypushy]

I mean... why would you get into tattooing if you don’t like them enough to get some yourself. Plus I’d imagine you have to know how they feel and heal etc. I’d never go to somebody without any tattoos

[@PennyBlackTattoo]

Well, you'd be surprised at the increasing volume in people trying to get into this purely for the sake of profit, who want to use it only as a method to support what they consider to be their "real" art. There's also a lot of quite young people getting into it that plead destitution... "im too poor to afford to get any, so I'll just do it instead". These are the individuals I'm referring to when I talk about "entitlement", people who believe they deserve everything without earning anything.

[@mmushypushy]

Penny Black smdh I can’t even find apprenticeship for fucks sake Welp, thank you for the insight!

[@vu5344]

@@mmushypushy did you ever get your apprenticeship?

[@mmushypushy]

@@vu5344 I did! I’ve been tattooing since 2020

[@vu5344]

@@mmushypushy congrats! Would love to see them

[@niktosyt8939]

I will never get a tattoo from non-tattooed tattooer😁

[@jasonmgeller4744]

Damn straight . I couldnt trust someone who doesnt have tattoos themselves

[@nicholasvanstrander852]

...and peep that saintly Randy Randerson stare from the back wall.

[@PennyBlackTattoo]

Hell yes, Dip & Rip repra'zent! ;)

[@francometallo215]

First of all, i agree with you on the subject matter, because a tattoo artist without tattoos to me is someone without real passion, probably an art student that's good at drawing but doesn't know how to make money with art so he gets into tattooing. BUT, the argument of "you can't know if you haven't experienced it" is not really true: Pain tolerance is absolutely subjective, so just because a tattoo hurt you in some way you can't really say how much it will hurt someone else, scientifically speaking, the most painful tattoos are the ones on body parts that are more sensitive due to higher nerves concentration. Also, about the healing of a tattoo, there some objective science behind it and that's the only truth, no product works the same on everyone, so even here personal experience isn't really an argument.

[@Sparky513]

So if you had to get heart surgery and your asking these questions about healing and what not as most people do, so would you only get heart surgery from a surgeon who's had heart surgery? Seriously though there both medical procedures rather thats how YOU look at it or not.

[@lizardqueen6041]

4:28 this just makes me think of Beethoven, and he wasn't any less of a talented and skilled musician/composer because of his deafness. I respect your perspective on the culture and roots of tattooing, but you're leaving out the fact that there are plenty of tattooists without tattoos themselves who love the craft and have been in the business for decades. I'm not gonna tell you to change your opinion on the matter or how you present it, I just think considering the perspective of those kinds of artists would be a good thing, even if you still don't agree with them being tattoo-less

[@druwk]

The logic of only having validity if you have personally experienced something is a little flawed? I’m sure there are many excellent surgeons, skinny pastry chiefs, and sober bartenders who could still be experts, helpful and amazing at what they do, without having to have experienced every aspect of their craft firsthand. Since tattoo is a visual Art, I generally would look at the work they’ve done, not the Art on their body? That said, Culturally and Community wise, you won’t have much credibility unless you have gone through “The Rite of Passage”, and joined the Tribe.

[@hineraable]

Wouldn't the problem of not knowing how a tattoo feels and hurts like, be avoided, at least in part, by using the tattoo gun over the skin, but without ink? Like this guy (who's pretty much not an entitled millenial) did? kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6WThYWYitZ5mqc And, is it actually impossible to not know how to heal a tattoo without getting one first?Because that's like saying that a docter can't cure horrible diseases without being a survivor of those diseases first. I also doubt that all tattoo artist already have all of the types of tattoos that their clients want. A tattoo artist could have sleves, upper back, chest and ribs tattoos, but then thay might not have tattoos on their lower back, their thighs, their face, their neck, and then one client wants precisily that that they don't have. Also, don't blind painters who have never seen colours exist? Wasn't Bethoveen deaf? Look, i'm ignorant about all this, so this are genuine questions of mine. And yes, i would trust an anorexic chef, is even kinda of an inner stereotype that anorexic people are good at cooking, because doing it makes them feel like they have control over food.

[@anthonydionicio7453]

Very close-minded

[@digitalshawtyratchet2190]

Only exception is horiyoshi 2!

[@ethanreehil5420]

Thank your for being so blunt! I appreciate the passion that you have. Its crazy that people actually try to become a tattoo artist for there art I have never hurd of that until now.

[@Zombosis]

Its a fairly recent thing. In the 9 and a half years we've been running our studio, we've had maybe 7 people come in applying to work for us who had no tattoos. Of those 7, five have been within the past year, and the previous two were both seeking apprenticeships. So it seems like only very recently this idea that tattoo can be used as a money making tool is seeping into the mentality of entitled millennials and GenZ kids.

[@ethanreehil5420]

@@Zombosis ya that's still crazy! I mean I would kill to get into the industry but I have been working on my portfolio for years and have a full arm and leg sleeve and have plans to get my chest and ribs done in December. And I have yet to try and ask for a apprenticeship.

[@poo4731]

I don't see why would anyone would want to be a tattoo artist if they don't even have any tattoos. I got a tattoo for my brother like two weeks after he passed, and have been hooked since.

[@Walter5850]

Because they enjoy the craft. They're passionate about art and design, they enjoy the learning process and getting to share their art with people, they're happy to make money doing what they're good at etc....

[@Jj1989jj]

I agree with you. I think it’s strange. Your passion should be your life

[@loservloseryt]

Fuckin amen brother

[@reverendbluejeans1748]

I don't know what to say.

[@62SG]

An artist attempting to commission work that they do not themselves consume is madness. It's not just tattoos. If you want to work in comics, read comics. If you want to work in animation, watch cartoons. If you want to work in video games, play video games. If you want to work in film, watch movies. Be passionate about what you want to make. If you're not, then fuck off.

[@Canigetanawwwwyyyyeeeah]

How the fuck does somebody with no tattoos relate to what I’m going through as they attempt to sell me the fact they can do it like someone with tattoos?!….could you imagine?! Not even having the gusto to tattoo yourself? Even after you got good or a prick to be able to…for a second, just to relate on the smallest scale what all those clients for years to come will go through. Nah. I’ll go to the guy that relates to me that has tattoos…..I get that. You’ll never have the advantage that someone with tattoos has to be able to relate to the client and you can be the best in the world. Though the best in the world have tattoos. Does that not just speak volumes unto itself? Also I happen to be a shop owner and artist.

[@OldManPaxusYT]

actually, now that you mention that practical reasons, i definitely am on your side of the fence.

[@dalecooke5411]

I love how brutally fuckn honest you are. Love your videos and all the help you have provided me with your knowledge. Cheers

[@lovetodaylisa3967]

ohhhh i see some gatekeeping going on here. So if your a dentist should you have all your teeth removed to understand how to remove teeth. But that's cool everyone has an opinion

[@tristenatro2045]

Nah. Completely garbage video with a terrible opinion. Respectfully tho. But your points don’t make any sense. Once again, respectfully

[@silverstarlight9395]

If a tattoo artist is Muslim, they can't have tattoos themselves.

[@leralle5454]

They’re not allowed to tattoo other ppl

[@kreaturs_kave]

Good video

[@glbc4975]

I like your honesty, but you lost me on the car analogy, driving better does not make you into a better mechanic.

[@Zombosis]

Not a matter of whether it makes you a 'good' one or not. Having no practical experience whatsoever with your chosen profession is the issue. Plenty of heavily tattooed artists aren't super awesome at tattooing, I still have more respect for them than someone with no work of their own using my craft for entitled personal gain.

[@glbc4975]

no one is using tattoing as entitled personal gain. they like doing art thats all.

[@Zombosis]

@@glbc4975 you couldn't be more wrong on that point. I *know* people are doing this, as I've had to deal with these entitled little dicks for years now. I have had countless little brats tell me that they were getting into this for nothing more than monetary gain, so don't try to tell me greed isn't the primary motivating factor. I know better.

[@glbc4975]

well you are doing the same. monetary reasons? or not. is kida cult ish to me. tattoo your self or gett. it reminds me of a " religion" I used to go. Part of a group or go. or is it just me. belive in it?

[@Zombosis]

@@glbc4975 Im not sure what your point here is. Of course I'm working for money. Im also heavily tattooed, and I was before I ever picked up a machine, and so I've earned my place. I also didn't charge any money until I had done nearly a hundred tattoos. I believe in what I do, I live it, love it, respect it, admire it, and I dont think theres anything "cult" like about expecting the same respect from people wanting to get into this tattoo thing.

[@TanyerLamb]

Keith rants are my favourite rants.

[@Walter5850]

What a ridiculous "culture". If you have to have tattoos to be respected by tattoo peers, then you maybe don't want their respect. This gatekeeping behavior is so childish and immature. People from all sorts of life backgrounds might want a tattoo or become tattoo artists. Pretending like its one thing for one kind of people is pretty disgusting. As far as a tattoo-less artist, there is so many things which a person can be passionate about when it comes to tattooing, from the appreciation of art and design, continually improving and mastering a skill, working with people, using their hard earned skill in a professional setting, autonomy, building relationship with clients and making people happy etc... Saying that they're somehow less passionate or hacks is simply ridiculous. And this denigration of people with different backgrounds such as fine arts and other by classifying them as failures in their field for wanting to do tattoos as if though there can't be any possible reason why they might want to do that is so primitive and tribal. Pure example of creating separation between "us" and "them" as a way of group dismissal without the need to evaluate individuals. Childish and cowardly.

[@seanamrein4989]

Is it really that common that people want to tattoo without liking tattoos enough to get their own tattoos? I can't imagine why they would. Just pick a different drawing career

[@PennyBlackTattoo]

Tragically, it's -becoming- that common... As I stated in a different comment, we've had 5 individuals come in looking to work for us in the past year alone that have all been working for 2 to 8 years in the industry with no tattoos at all. Also, my earlier 'So You Want To Be A Tattoo Apprentice' video had several comments from people who all argued that they didn't need to be tattooed. So its clearly a growing concern. :(

[@lunasims5849]

Because its an art form...

[@buukute]

Well. They could just get 4 year of college for graphics design., the problem is it vost few grand to obtain a degree.

[@dozyonline]

preach

[@Gramkan]

Imagine being in the business of putting art permanently on other people but you can’t even commit yourself

[@OldManPaxusYT]

i can't disagree with you at all... you use the words 'sacred' and 'hallowed'... A word I also associate with tattooing is 'RITUAL'. For me, at least. Almost every tattoo was done for a _reason_ to do with my (personal) life and marked a moment or aspect of my life that I wanted to dwell on, be reminded of...mark etc... So the act of getting that tattoo done, was very ritualistic - much like meditation or some religious practice... While i don't sit particularly on any side of the fence for tattoo artists having or not having tattoos... I guess, 'ritual' would imply, if you're going to perform a ritual on someone, you should have participated in it, yourself, at least ONCE! 😉 ^ Comment for algorithm + 👍 'd #Paxus Rating: ☆☆☆☆

[@etoiledufaucon5904]

How ridiculous... Never saw such weak arguments before..

[@GoemonLovesFujiko]

Bad arguments here. ah well.

[@alycks6056]

aside from health reasons, a tattoo artist without any tattoos is like... a model without charisma, a soldier without discipline, a doctor with no clinical experiences, a hairstylist that look like a homeless or a female makeup artist with no makeup lol

[@buukute]

My barber is bald but he still make good haircut?

[@SuperMissRain]

Well… the way he’s explaining this is more like « a surgeon who never got himself a heart surgery shouldn’t perform on anybody »…. And that’s stupid.