No Time, No Budget, No Problem: Finishing The First Tree

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4 жыл бұрын

In this 2019 GDC talk, David Wehle explains the tactics he used to finish his successful indie project The First Tree even while working over forty hours a week at The VOID and taking care of his family.
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@xdevantx5870
@xdevantx5870 4 жыл бұрын
"Other people need your game" might be the most inspirational words I've ever heard.
@peppydip2373
@peppydip2373 4 жыл бұрын
It is mostly other people that may need you in this world Sort of like maybe you needed this lecture
@baki9191
@baki9191 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. K calls this DHARMA
@hh-zm9gr
@hh-zm9gr 3 жыл бұрын
@@baki9191 Dharma means righteosness/law/duty in Indian languages.
@stanksmax2945
@stanksmax2945 3 жыл бұрын
It's a great hope that feels better if done
@GreedAndSelfishness
@GreedAndSelfishness 3 жыл бұрын
But what if your game is depressing as fuck? Like mine. It bums you out.
@samohickey
@samohickey 3 жыл бұрын
Avoiding a 0% day is 100% in finishing ANYTHING in life. Great words! If you haven't read the book "The War of Art", not "The Art of War", "The War of Art"; it mentions that if you can just sit down and start.... every day... you'll usually get sucked in. Once you're sucked in, next thing you know it's 100% done. :D Good luck out there my fellow devs, artists, writers, and composers. Much love!
@sauliustb
@sauliustb 2 жыл бұрын
this is absolutely true. I'm doing some dev outside of working hours as well, and at times it's soo hard to get started. but once you get set up(which takes 10-15min for me) you get sucked in for the next 2 hours, and you really really really want to get it to work before you close for that session.
@samohickey
@samohickey 2 жыл бұрын
@@sauliustb exactly! Once I'm cruising it's hard to find a stopping point. Haha!
@Aethelvlad
@Aethelvlad Жыл бұрын
Very true. I always notice myself getting sucked in.
@boss_gamers
@boss_gamers Жыл бұрын
This is great advice. Most people don’t know how to start, so they don’t. Just starting gets the motivation moving forward 👍
@Nebulaoblivion
@Nebulaoblivion 10 ай бұрын
thats a bit of a problem though, because if I get sucked in, then I don't eat, or sleep, or drink water, and I'm all fucked up before going to work.
@CptMunta
@CptMunta 4 жыл бұрын
This is pure gold. As an indie dev and father of 4. This gives me hope!
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you have a patient wife/spouse and a good job :) Seriously, I think it's an important point that his wife was able/willing to take on the lion's share of parenting & household duties while he pursued his dream. You hear that pattern crop up a lot in these kinds of stories.
@REXanadu
@REXanadu 4 жыл бұрын
Remember, he'd also been working on film editing for a significantly long time before he touched any game design, and most of these asset packs can cost a chunk of change if you don't buy them on sale. That's to say nothing about ensuring you credit all the third-party assets he used in the project. Also, this was a personal project, so he doesn't seem concerned about the revenue of the end product. This game was a passion project, not a major money maker. Keep that in mind when you try to emulate his work, and you'll be fine
@CptMunta
@CptMunta 4 жыл бұрын
The inspiration this video gives me is that I can schedule my time to get things done and finish my game not to make a boat load of sales. I'm parental leave right now and my wife is returning to work so we share household duties. Being a stay at home parent is a full time job so finding time outside of that is what my plan is.
@reokeokdeo4282
@reokeokdeo4282 4 жыл бұрын
@@REXanadu "This game was a passion project, not a major money maker" That is not true. Has he say: He did it for money too, that's why he leave his job, and for doing it, was doing an other job beside. If he wasn't doing it for money, he would not making a pure marketing strategy and post his game a 1pm. dont be naive... where you write, is that he doesn't have any programming skills so he paid quasi everything in his game and just change some things. That is a way to do, why not, but that is also a way to be hated by all the indi developers community
@TheF4c3m4n
@TheF4c3m4n 4 жыл бұрын
Keep pressing forward and get in the development time when you can. I am also a father who works full time and my significant other who is a great business woman also writes poetry in her spare time that she has got published. This is my dream and she understands that and is 100% behind me. I gave her my story on my Alien Horror Game, and she looked it over for a few days and came back with a detailed, polished version that blew me away. I am glad to see others following their dream of creating a game, staying inspired, and creating something wonderful for everyone to enjoy. Have a wonderful day!
@lumenwrites
@lumenwrites 4 жыл бұрын
It's great that Chris Pratt was able to take the time out of his busy dinosaur training schedule to make an indie game! Seriously though - amazing talk, thanks for sharing, congratulations on your success!
@thanatosor
@thanatosor 4 жыл бұрын
Ray Alez hold my prey ! * a T-Rex walk in *
@imagine-games6677
@imagine-games6677 4 жыл бұрын
lmao.....
@frostbite6644
@frostbite6644 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@jeffmccloud905
@jeffmccloud905 4 жыл бұрын
not Chris Pratt, it's comedian Pete Holmes
@HighVirtud
@HighVirtud 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@noahnichols871
@noahnichols871 4 жыл бұрын
The guy's nice. Straight up. I wrote him an email and he hit me back with a reply quite quick. Awesome success story!
@thebloocat
@thebloocat 3 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@shyamarama
@shyamarama 4 жыл бұрын
7:42 “Never have a 0% day” 😎👍👍 Great work!
@harrysanders818
@harrysanders818 4 жыл бұрын
I think the most important thing to notice here is that this guy knows art fundamentals. He utilizes artistic principles to convey emotion successfully. Like color theory and shape language, so that his game has has a successful art direction players respond to. Without that, no marketing in the world will help you out. I guess it is important to not to forget that you need some knowledge about how art works and what elements it consists of. It is not only the work you need to put in, but also the knowledge. Everyone understands that when it comes to programming, but less people understand that when it comes to art.
@kombosabinho
@kombosabinho Жыл бұрын
This comment didn't age very well now that we have complete control over AI Art
@jessikapiche6097
@jessikapiche6097 Жыл бұрын
Actually i think this comment age very well. The game industry is full of people wanting to create a game, but all you get is same game done over and over again. Very seldom do you see a game that is very different but also highly attractive. Those are what people go for, even to this day. Game that set a mood, artistically well balance...
@alex-qn5xp
@alex-qn5xp 10 ай бұрын
@@kombosabinho What does this comment have to do with AI art at all?
@fukquro
@fukquro 3 ай бұрын
@@kombosabinhono amount of ai can give you interesting direction
@ArielJimenez
@ArielJimenez 3 жыл бұрын
this is a perfect example of "No excuses!". "If its important, you will find a way; if its not, you will fin an excuse"
@MidoriMushrooms
@MidoriMushrooms 4 жыл бұрын
"some people will like anything with a fox in it" I feel so called out rn XD I followed your game on twitter and bought it at launch. I...wasn't a fan of some of its launch-day problems but you were pretty cool about trying to address them. I'm glad it was a success because the art is amazing.
@hanseldsilva2393
@hanseldsilva2393 4 жыл бұрын
What kinds of problems were there?
@MidoriMushrooms
@MidoriMushrooms 4 жыл бұрын
@@hanseldsilva2393 the physics were REALLY garbage at first. Like, the way jumping worked was actually antithetical to how jumping works in basically everything else so it felt uncanny to play. The dev was pretty active about tweaking it to be less weird, though it still remains a bizarre learning curve. (we've had jumping in 3D games forever, why fix what isn't broken?) other minor things like collision were also not working fully as intended but to my knowledge all that stuff was worked out in the first week. I haven't gone back to the game at all really, the narration was a major turn-off personally but apparently others liked it.
@678crazydave
@678crazydave 4 жыл бұрын
I've heard the game is bad, but he made a killing off of it
@lauren9141
@lauren9141 2 жыл бұрын
@@678crazydave the jump mechanic in the game is terrible but otherwise I liked it. It took me longer to complete than he said because I had to redo a few jumps SO MUCH to get all the lights
@MattyAlanEstock
@MattyAlanEstock 4 жыл бұрын
I needed this talk last year, last month, today. No more 0% days!
@randomrandom450
@randomrandom450 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah this "no 0% days" was so simple, yet so important.
@ridho5066
@ridho5066 4 жыл бұрын
Thats true. Many time I just think of doing some small things and end up doing a lot of work on it.
@Mutantcy1992
@Mutantcy1992 2 жыл бұрын
So how's it going?
@CodeGaff
@CodeGaff 4 жыл бұрын
As someone with a full-time job and a family, this really hit home for me. Well done to David for his accomplishments, I hope one day I complete a game!
@swearsoft
@swearsoft 4 жыл бұрын
It's called the Pareto Principle and focusing your efforts on the 20% of things you do that actually produce 80% of the results is taught in business school
@reokeokdeo4282
@reokeokdeo4282 4 жыл бұрын
Agree making a game by buying Unity asset that really is making the less effort as possible lol
@vagrant5970
@vagrant5970 4 жыл бұрын
its over for devcels.
@kcbsuiejd
@kcbsuiejd 2 жыл бұрын
@@reokeokdeo4282 I mean, he still had to put hundreds of hours in, ive seen "selfmade" games with less effort. Focusing on what to do yourself is a good skill too
@TonsOfHunStudios
@TonsOfHunStudios 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome talk! As someone who likes to be a "purist" and is afraid of what others might say about using other assets, it comforts me to hear that barely anyone cared or even noticed other assets were used.
@otacon1024
@otacon1024 3 жыл бұрын
There's no issue with using existing assets, it just gets a lot of hate because of the ocean of low-effort "devs" that just throw a bunch of them into a 3D environment and call it a game, with little actual thought for whether all these assets visually work together. And the "games" are often just a messy 3D environment with little actual structure, depth, gameplay, mechanics, etc. Basically, the "just throw a bunch of shit on the wall and hope some of it sticks" approach to things. It's not about what you use, but how you use it.
@CurtisJensenGames
@CurtisJensenGames 4 жыл бұрын
My big takeaway is to actually spend time on marketing. Developing has been more fun than marketing for me for the most part, but now that I've found Reddit I think it will help me to vent about joys and frustrations of the game.
@conflagrationTuesday
@conflagrationTuesday 3 жыл бұрын
Most geeks that develop are more comfortable creating, rather than marketing/selling, for sure. Definitely our weakness..
@randomrandom450
@randomrandom450 4 жыл бұрын
This is gold. Cause people think the hard part of being an indie developer is having limited resource, limited time, limited people, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. The hard part is to get out of obscurity, to be seen, to be known, to get eyes on what you want to offer to the world.
@guidewired
@guidewired 4 жыл бұрын
I had a project recently during the same time as having a new child and I really feel this discussion about finding the little bits of time to finish something. Good to hear how other people get through it.
@Verinius
@Verinius 4 жыл бұрын
I love your talk and your message. I have bookmarked this video and I will watch this again and again when I feel lost on what to do, how to promote my game, and how to finish my game. Thank you!
@Suggestive_Carp
@Suggestive_Carp Жыл бұрын
proud of ya, thank you for tracing your footsteps to allow us up and coming devs to follow.
@toritogames
@toritogames 4 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of talk I need right now! Thanks!
@AndrewDowell
@AndrewDowell 4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation, good guy working hard for his dream and family. Game purchased! Thanks David, looking forward to seeing what you do next :)
@ruycalderon8507
@ruycalderon8507 3 жыл бұрын
I was not expecting to tear up in a GDC talk. Informative, inspiring, and touching. Great talk!
@benedev9473
@benedev9473 4 жыл бұрын
There are just so many priceless tips in this talk!
@fateriddle14
@fateriddle14 4 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing talk for any type of creator on his/her side project, I learned really a lot, thanks for sharing.
@TheEmgriffiths
@TheEmgriffiths 2 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant, as a father of two working full-time this is giving me some inspiration!
@tresaidh3y90
@tresaidh3y90 2 жыл бұрын
This is super inspirational! I decided this week to become an indie dev and so far it has been a hard journey of learning but I am excited.
@Pellepalt
@Pellepalt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the inspiration!, me and my friend is making a game from scratch as a hobby with a dream of being a full-time-developers... This talk inspires and helps more than you know
@ffthack
@ffthack 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Had some tears regarding that one letter. This and another gdc video by creator of slime rancher connected some dots for first time after many years of not going for it.
@ismael8251
@ismael8251 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching this man being happy and satisfied for his hard work and determination to finish his game.
@volo7
@volo7 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing talk. The way he explains stuff in a straightforward manner without trying to sound intelligent is 👌
@hannibalyin8853
@hannibalyin8853 4 жыл бұрын
thank you David, this means a lot.
@JPMeyer92
@JPMeyer92 2 жыл бұрын
This is really inspiring. I started coding at 12 because of games, and ended up in the corporate space as a web developer - it's soul draining but it pays well. I dabbled a bit with graphics programming in school, but it never really went anywhere. 17 years after writing my first line of code, I've started developing my first game. I work full time, I have no real budget for this, I have a family. I wasn't sure that it could be done, but now I know that it can be done. Thank you so much!
@dsuitor304
@dsuitor304 5 ай бұрын
I have a lot of bookmarks for Dev/Marketing/etc, but, after watching this, I created a folder called "Inspiration from Indie Game Devs". You're the first bookmark in it. This will be the folder I go to on those tough days when the self-doubt slams it's way through the front door. Loved it!
@tobario
@tobario 2 жыл бұрын
As a father with a full time job and a similar schedule: This is truly inspirational and helps me to keep learning. I think the key is toget to know your limits, to accept help (assets) and consisteny. Half an hour a day is enough sometimes. Thank you David!
@guillaumejeannot6268
@guillaumejeannot6268 Жыл бұрын
The end of the speech was priceless. Thank you.
@mmmmmmmmmmm10
@mmmmmmmmmmm10 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant talk, thanks for sharing so openly your blueprint for indie success.
@SmartLearningAI
@SmartLearningAI 4 жыл бұрын
This is very encouraging. As a single indie dev it is almost impossible to not use store assets and you showed it can be done.
@csebastian3
@csebastian3 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best presentations I've ever seen.
@mt401_
@mt401_ 4 жыл бұрын
No budget, yet 10k in costs..
@fransbastian3032
@fransbastian3032 4 жыл бұрын
@@mt401_ but still made a $150k profit from that.
@blazer5724
@blazer5724 3 жыл бұрын
@@mt401_ yeah dude you think console ports are 100% free?
@mt401_
@mt401_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@blazer5724 that implies a budget, the money doesn't come from thin air
@blazer5724
@blazer5724 3 жыл бұрын
@@mt401_ yeah but he ported the game to consoles after the steam release. He even said in the video that he used the steam money for console ports.
@freeju2001
@freeju2001 4 жыл бұрын
you're an inspiration bro, hats off to you and your work.
@tererezerogamestudio9228
@tererezerogamestudio9228 4 жыл бұрын
I am in a similar situation, but without the kids rsrsrsrsrs. I'm working on my games at dawn time, and this talk really inspired me. Thank you David, God bless you.
@poemagames7503
@poemagames7503 13 күн бұрын
Thank you for actual examples! Struggling with getting my games out there is frustrating and this helped a lot! ❤ First time I heard about The First Tree, it looks very pretty, will make sure to give it a go!
@Grimsikk
@Grimsikk 4 жыл бұрын
this is an excellent talk. Very inspiring for me as a solo indie dev that's trying to make an amazing arenaFPS game. 💙
@TomLeys
@TomLeys 4 жыл бұрын
Well Done! Thanks so much for sharing your story.
@barret232hxc
@barret232hxc 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the motivation in these trying times. this was very inspiring
@caruya
@caruya 4 жыл бұрын
Holy crap this is sooo valuable info, thank youuu!!
@moejjoraisin6005
@moejjoraisin6005 3 жыл бұрын
I THOROUGHLY LOVED THIS GAME! I cried so much, it triggered some really deep, buried emotions inside of me. Wonderful interactive story.
@Oliver_Koppert
@Oliver_Koppert 3 жыл бұрын
Incredibly inspiring & informative talk. Thank you David
@GameDesignFoundry
@GameDesignFoundry 4 жыл бұрын
This was a great talk. Really learned a lot from his experiences!
@marv.innovations802
@marv.innovations802 3 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable. Respect you give one hope.
@clarksteel98
@clarksteel98 4 жыл бұрын
very honest guy . thx for this golden insights and congrats bro
@wilcombebolger
@wilcombebolger 3 жыл бұрын
Such an awesome and inspiring talk thank you so much
@TUSH4R451
@TUSH4R451 4 жыл бұрын
Very, very helpful and thank you very much!
@Jester8890
@Jester8890 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video, inspirational.
@3djohnboy
@3djohnboy 4 жыл бұрын
wow, I can really relate to this guy.. this is very inspiring
@littlecurrybread
@littlecurrybread 4 жыл бұрын
Very inspirational, I'm taking notes
@isaacpopstriker9353
@isaacpopstriker9353 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! That's amazing how he managed to make a game with so limited time. Although he gave the steps, it's still very hard to maintain such discipline.
@fancifilms
@fancifilms 4 жыл бұрын
Great talk! I'm also a dad with a full-time day job. Nice to see a fellow Utah-based dev having success!
@gurka3141
@gurka3141 4 жыл бұрын
i watched through the whole thing, inspiring
@daveyhu
@daveyhu 4 жыл бұрын
Great talk and very useful social media list at 18:06
@brandonvance9688
@brandonvance9688 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like a very humble guy!!
@TorQueMoD
@TorQueMoD 4 жыл бұрын
Great work man! Thanks for all the good ideas regarding marketing. Fading into obscurity is my biggest worry too.
@vaibhavdwivedi8660
@vaibhavdwivedi8660 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing talk
@TheNormalUniverse
@TheNormalUniverse 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing talk, thank you very much
@TheRealJackArthur
@TheRealJackArthur 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome talk! 👍🏻
@INDIGE_STUDIO
@INDIGE_STUDIO 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video. Clearly he is a good man and deserved the success he attracted.
@KrisLucenDev
@KrisLucenDev 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic talk, so much useful information here! Thank you David
@hatema
@hatema 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, I watch your videos...
@KrisLucenDev
@KrisLucenDev 4 жыл бұрын
@@hatema Thank you for the support!!
@SirNightmareFuel
@SirNightmareFuel 4 жыл бұрын
@@KrisLucenDev Hey... I watch your videos too... What the heck!
@ericag45
@ericag45 3 жыл бұрын
Helpful and inspiring. Very useful information about marketing, thank you.
@cq5857
@cq5857 4 жыл бұрын
Really great talk, honestly
@CosmicApe
@CosmicApe 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has a child under 1 at home and has a new burning passion to dive into this world, this gives me a lot of hope where just last night I was sitting thinking "this dream is silly, there's no way I have enough time."
@netfusionuk
@netfusionuk 3 жыл бұрын
As much as i love hearing this story and its nice to hear normal day to day folk can have this dream too...that fact is some people wont have a few £100 to spend developing a game...let alone £10k but i think he picked a good aesthetic style which sits really well with indie games which probably helped, but the problem with myself and probably many others is having that drive and motivation to see a project through to completion....I've started SOOO many projects i haven't seen through and its hard to push yourself and commit the time but I love this idea of never having a 0% day....well done to him I say doing this with all his other commitments.
@Hot18Shot
@Hot18Shot 4 жыл бұрын
His presentation was full of useful advice. Especially from a marketing perspective, something that I feel I lack a clear grasp on. I like how he even pointed out what worked for him and what didn't, and gave reasoning as to why this likely was. Great work David, hope your success continues to grow!
@plazmotech5969
@plazmotech5969 4 жыл бұрын
fantastic talk
@radongc115
@radongc115 3 жыл бұрын
I went to SF and to GDC in 2019, but I really didn’t appreciate it enough at the time and barely spent any time at GDC. In hindsight, I wish I would’ve been more appreciative and taken advantage of that opportunity better.
@duckcluck123
@duckcluck123 4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation!
@kenssortekanal
@kenssortekanal 4 жыл бұрын
Well done, really great tips shared.
@JustDaZack
@JustDaZack 9 ай бұрын
Amazing (and smart) talk!
@tw0pers0nalities
@tw0pers0nalities 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome work
@arnmazing3156
@arnmazing3156 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know making games was my passion until now because it’s really intimidating. But I am in the same boat as a lot of people, you’re so down to earth and so inspirational. Thank you for sharing this to us!
@pizzakidd
@pizzakidd Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this knowledge with us indies!!! 🍕
@skydrowdev
@skydrowdev 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome talk
@NeatGames
@NeatGames 4 жыл бұрын
He has a great KZbin channel now!! Game Dev Unlocked
@matheuscrepory7013
@matheuscrepory7013 4 жыл бұрын
My dream is to be good in things that like. The challenge is one of key points of that makes me happy and rewaded. That why Dev game appealed, because, i can lern story telling, visual art, and music all together. Make a story in the way i want, really turns me. But after this video, I'm questioning myself if asserts should be avoided, i think i can learn a lot with them e speed this process by creating some prototype of what i want.
@moneyodsg
@moneyodsg 4 жыл бұрын
Inspiring. This is great.
@TheCrimson147
@TheCrimson147 4 жыл бұрын
As much as I love that he had a vision and he executed that beautifully, as a game artist student, my dream is to collaborate on games with my art. His journey to making the game happen was painful and tiring and he worked for the release, mine would be the endless process of creating game assets and enjoying it, without ever stopping to think about the release. It's really weird when we both started first, thinking "I want to make a game" but we have had different mindsets from the beginning.
@kimmirossi46
@kimmirossi46 2 жыл бұрын
Respect to this man!!!
@MrRoxx17
@MrRoxx17 2 жыл бұрын
The raytracing on his forhead is spectacular :D
@Lugmillord
@Lugmillord 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. What a role model. Fantastic stuff. I'm so proud of this guy I never heard of before. Hopefully I'll be able to reach a similar point. I'm also working on a game in my spare time and it can be brutally slow.
@gamifiedreality4152
@gamifiedreality4152 2 жыл бұрын
The quote from the anonymous player at 20:35 was beautiful 💖
@RobertMaximVerdes
@RobertMaximVerdes 4 жыл бұрын
What a great guy
@rapshotgaming8280
@rapshotgaming8280 3 жыл бұрын
He is an inspiration
@ThomasChen-ur2gt
@ThomasChen-ur2gt 4 жыл бұрын
this is the most inspiring talk I've watched on GDC
@xialah9047
@xialah9047 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, it was great! Do you guys have any others relevant and recents videos for starting as an indie dev? Thanks
@PabloMontenegro
@PabloMontenegro 4 жыл бұрын
My hero
@aratnon
@aratnon 3 жыл бұрын
I'm on this journey too, but I also have to spend time in a gym. It's so difficult to manage the time. I wonder if he ever did some exercises or not since he didn't include it in the graph.
@rGGdom
@rGGdom Жыл бұрын
very inspiring!
@JayJay3D
@JayJay3D 2 жыл бұрын
VERY inspiring & motivational - #nevergiveup 👏👏👏
@CanalDojogames
@CanalDojogames 4 жыл бұрын
Woow i played his game,very cool
@whatsupdude9948
@whatsupdude9948 3 жыл бұрын
I really like this guy he's so normal and not a get rich quick shady dude like 99% of youtubers
@AsasinoManik
@AsasinoManik 3 жыл бұрын
This inspired me to develop my own Indie Game me
@jesse9056
@jesse9056 Жыл бұрын
He’s amazing
@rsoftgames3625
@rsoftgames3625 3 жыл бұрын
"You're like a friend next door making a game..." This humanization is amazing.
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