No Time To Die - Could it Really Be Daniel Craig's Worst??

[@RickRacket]

NTTD honestly has me reflecting negativity on the Craig era as a whole. It goes without saying that Daniel is fantastic in the role, and Casino Royale is a masterpiece, but by the end the emotional baggage of this era was just too much. Looking back now, I think the likes of License to Kill and/or Goldeneye are the template for how to give Bond some emotional stakes in the story, without getting too bogged down by it.

[@PurushaDesa]

Licence to Kill, a film that I don't think works anywhere as well as this one, is a fascinating point of comparison. In its day it was also hugely controversial, provoking similar questions like, "Can you do that?", "Do I wanna see that here?", "Do I like feeling this way?", "Is this even a Bond film?" and so on.

[@PurushaDesa]

@K F It's no surprise that NTTD and TWINE are among my favourite Bond films. That love/betrayal dynamic is something I'm enthralled by not just in this series but across all romantic thrillers - Thomas Crown, Entrapment, Inception, it's even a huge part of The Favourite with Mrs. Daniel Craig herself.

[@comeonman1100]

@@gandalainsley6467 go watch some soap operas.

[@gandalainsley6467]

@@comeonman1100 That was my problem. Goldeneye's problems were on the same level as soap operas problems . Ex friend betrays you and then he dies .

[@comeonman1100]

@@gandalainsley6467 Goldeneye and most other Bonds don't go nearly as deep into the melodrama that Craig movies do.

[@chrisculshaw1887]

The film really should have had a dedication to Sir Sean Connery and Sir Roger Moore who had passed away between Spectre and NNTD

[@richardweddle3408]

It should, but EON has no generosity. I'm glad it doesn't because the film is unworthy of them.

[@KimBailey-w2g]

@@richardweddle3408 really it wasn’t and I hated it and I’ve been introduced to James Bond by my mom and by my grandmother through Sean Connery think Sean Connery would be pissed off beyond belief and so would more because you don’t kill off the golden goose you just don’t and for Daniel Craig to actually be able to have a say on how Bon dies or goes out what the fuck was he thinking sorry my cursing, but that’s what I think because there’s again you don’t kill off the golden goose

[@AlmightyBruce]

@@richardweddle3408yes because NTTD is worse than A View to a Kill and Never Say Never Again?

[@jamesatkinsonja]

I suspect Roger Might have been considered at one stage but I can see why they didn't as he passed away a while before it came out [in 2017]. As for Connery, bare in mind the film was 'locked' for release in early 2020 and he passed away that autumn. By all accounts the film wasn't altered after the April 2020 postponement so they couldn't include it even if they wanted to.

[@jamesatkinsonja]

@@richardweddle3408 Given some of the films they appeared in over the years [such as Connery-The Avengers, Moore-Bullseye] I doubt they'd turn there noses up at NTTD at all.

[@mrhollywoodpresents]

NTTD is the only Bond film I've only seen once.Other than Ana De Armas,there was nothing about this film that I'd like to revisit

[@MrMichaellee5353]

Other then Casino Royale - all of Craig's films were so convoluted and ridculous that they all ran out of steam and killing Bond would leave the late Cubby Broccoli turning in his grave

[@spaceghost9440]

Let's just say it, the next bond movies need to be more like the last three Mission Impossible movies... Fun

[@benignkrynoid5688]

I had the idea that I would come to accept this film the more I watched it....but I just can't bring myself to sit through it a fourth time just yet. A thoroughly miserable experience.

[@redlightmax]

Sitting through it three times is amazing - once is the most I can manage so far. I love the scenes with Paloma and Primo, but everything else is a slog.

[@hawk2million]

I love JB but still haven't made it once through this one. I just got bored. Such a shame.

[@damonappel]

No idea how you were able to sit through it more than once, let alone 3 times.

[@comeonman1100]

Even without the ending, the Bond movies are hard to get through because they are getting close to three hours long. That plus the downer, broodiness of the Craig movies doesn't help either.

[@danielbrown8254]

I gave up 2nd time. It's insanely contrived, overwrought and boring.

[@vman85fu74]

Despite some good moments, I think the Craig era was an insult to true bond fans.

[@realkylekatarn]

I’ve missed you Mr. Darlington! It’s good to have you back! 😊

[@redlightmax]

17:21 David: "My Bond is ashes now." A 163-minute movie summed up in five words.

[@chronocommander007]

My healthy disappointment with No Time to Die has grown into a worrisome loathing.

[@Globuswroc]

For me it's not James Bond who died. It's Daniel Craig's Bond. Craig's Bond is for me like Superman Red Son or Thomas Wayne Batman from Flashpoint. His whole era is like a twisted mirror universe version of the orignal character.

[@phila3884]

Yes, I think Craig wanted his Bond to "die", but that has tarnished the whole concept I'm afraid.

[@DM-kv9kj]

Well, I hope you're getting ready for black gender fluid gay trans James Bond who insists on they/them pronouns, because that's obviously what they're now contriving away at. M: Where's Jay Bond at, man? Moneypenny: They're in their office. M: Call them in now, bruv!! Moneypenny: Why are you sounding so angry and unprofessional...and like a teenager...? M: Becuz am down wiv da kids innit! Gotta make every scene a big angry broodin' drama fest. Also, I is Jay Bond's dad by the way!

[@pr-tj5by]

@@phila3884 I agree but my love for Bond died with Brosnan so I'll be interested in the reboot

[@playedout148]

Yep. They're Bond movies. Any "continuity " is tenuous at best.

[@jp0758]

Yup daniel Craig is dead and now bond is coming back

[@anthonygray333]

Before I took Kathy to NTTD I had her see all the previous Craig flicks so she wouldn’t get lost. After SPECTRE she was calling the story arc as quite convoluted, especially the brother angle. She also didn’t feel the on screen chemistry was all that great with Madeline. Anyhow at the end of NTTD she kind of said “What the heck was that?” She said it was definitely NOT a Bond film. Contrast that with how we left Top Gun Maverick. At the end of that movie she remarked the difference of how everyone felt when the credits rolled. Claps and cheers. That is how you should leave a Bond flick. Not mourning the death of one of your heroes.

[@dictorfeelgood]

Because they used Fleabag Waller and SJW crap in NTTD

[@RighteousBrother]

Who the heck is Kathy? And why should we care what she thinks.

[@anthonygray333]

@@RighteousBrother Someone with the same right to an opinion as you.

[@twistedmindsex]

I left the cinema celebrating the death of the franchises worst villain - Craig's Bond.

[@DM-kv9kj]

But they didn't kill James Bond. They killed off some short, fugly Russian-looking henchman guy with no charm or charisma whatsoever who was desperately trying to act like James Bond... Seriously, Daniel Craig isn't even a particularly good actor. Never understood why so many thought he was some amazing actor. Martin Campbell squeezed some drops out of him with his hardcore directing style and professionalism, but Craig is incredibly dull, 2-dimensional and wooden. Stiff, awkward and perpetually miserable to boot. He looks like some chav's dad desperately pretending to be James Bond. Even his swaggering walk is phoned in, how do you phone in just walking??

[@zerominuseleven]

I was pretty excited to purchase it when it came out for home release, but have only seen it once (and then rewatched the opening chase a few times). Not really a fun film to rewatch in its entirety.

[@ramencurry6672]

Bond movies are best when they’re cheesy comedies like Moonraker, etc…

[@h0nza_]

@@ramencurry6672 That's really subjective, for me it's the exact opposite :)

[@jskypercussion]

@@ramencurry6672 yep because they are lighthearted fun that is enjoyable to watch again.

[@DM-kv9kj]

Not a fun film to watch at all, the first and only time for me was cringeworthy, depressing, annoying and baffling all at the same time. How do you forget how to make James Bond movies? Barbara and MGW have been working on them since the 80s and suddenly they can't even animate a gunbarrel properly, are putting weird and pointless and even downright pretentious quotes before the movie starts, systematically killing off every character including James Bond himself, making Blofeld his brother, making him fall in love and quit over nothing, some totally unlikeable, dull and annoying Bond girl he's literally just met, making Bond forget how contraception works just before the massively contrived death, ruining every beloved trope from just wringing each one through the mangle over and over (DB5, martinis etc etc)... M will be his dad next, Q his gay cousin, Moneypenny he's already now slept with even though one of the whole points of her character was that she never actually got with him... They're also 100% now contriving and forcing a black casting since NTTD only makes any sense whatsoever if it was a statement of killing off white Bond, basically. It'll be black Bond, gay Q, lesbian Moneypenny, Indian M, asian Bill Tanner, trans Felix Leiter, gender fluid Bond girls or Bond boys...what am I missing from the new contrived Hollywood checklist for billionaire white producers to desperately try and show off how enlightened and down with the kids they are?

[@talkingthetalk3640]

@@DM-kv9kj touch some grass 🤡

[@noahmagana137]

I know that killing off the main character is the new thing these days, I think killing off Craig’s bond was the way to go for this bond. If it had happened in brosnan’s tenure or Moore’s, it would’ve pisses off A LOT more people because it wouldn’t fit with their bonds.

[@phillipleconte3715]

We had just been through two years of plague and then they kill James Bond. Jeesh!

[@RoyLake]

It needed to go out on a high, not a massive low. Bring back "fun" Bond. If I wanted dark, I'd watch Batman.

[@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM]

This film made Batman feel like a light comedy.

[@emptyblank099a]

The movie was fun, just a sad ending. The cuba scene for example is great fun.

[@RoyLake]

@@emptyblank099aI wouldn't use the word fun for ANY of Craig's Bond's. As a film it was OK as a Bond film, it just wasn't. But hey, glad you enjoyed it.

[@slatestravels]

I agree 007 deserved a good ending! But I think people will look back at this film years later and see it’s beauty.

[@elliotness11]

Can’t wait to discuss, I thought I hated DAD and Spectre, NTTD gets worse upon every viewing. Let’s talk about it

[@jayniks74]

i watched it once in the theater. hated the ending. i bought the blueray and its now on prime. i havent watched it again yet.

[@lpquagmire3621]

SPECTRE and NO TIME TO DIE share many of the same shortcomings -- clumsy storytelling, villains that don't quite rise to the level of classic Bond baddies, and horrible, completely unmemorable title songs. First and foremost, however, both pictures are undone by climaxes they haven't really earned, and this is due to Bond's sudden and inexplicable devotion to the Madeleine Swann character. While there has been no shortage of memorable Bond Girls over the years, it was never necessary to explain why the best of them -- Tracey, Vesper, and Tatiana -- managed to become so important to Bond. As a deadly assassin, Bond had conditioned himself to keep his feelings in check, for to do otherwise would expose a vulnerability to his enemies. We can understand why Bond fell for Tracey and Vesper; his courtship with those women felt natural, but his rushed infatuation with Madeleine seems forced and unearned, a plot point designed to advance the story from point A to point B. The Craig films produced some memorable Bond Girls, but I would have to place Madeleine near the bottom of the list, and that's a real problem when you're hoping to send Bond off in the biggest emotional flourish of the series. It's not even that Seydoux is particularly bad in the role -- the character simply wasn't anything special to begin with, and Bond actually seems to have better chemistry with Nomi, Paloma, or even Moneypenny, and that shouldn't be the case considering the stakes the story has set up...

[@phillipleconte3715]

We buy into Bond falling in love (OHMSS) because we never feel that Tracy will try and domesticate him...where as Madeleine & kid...

[@rabcooper2716]

It was a great film, that ended as a fitting end to the Craig era. The brilliance of Bond is there is an actor perfect for any mood. You want silly? Moore. Gritty? Craig etc

[@realJimMarshall]

Movie was 🗑️

[@cmonman3639]

Daniel Craig is just plain garbage.

[@aaron4387]

Daniel Craig is coming back for one more. He'll train his daughter up to be an agent. He'll look a bit like Yoda because of the explosion.

[@lennydaiglejr3094]

It’s not his worst , that would be SPECTRE but too often he comes off as Daniel Craig, not James Bond.

[@szlava3641]

Amazon prime has the Sean Connery Bond movies available. Those movies make SPECRE look like a legit bad guy organization. That version of Ernest Von Blofeld played by Donald Pleasence, was more entertaining than the one played by Christopher Waltz (who is a good actor though).

[@8enable]

No one has the right to kill off a character other than the author

[@phillipleconte3715]

right!

[@KimBailey-w2g]

Really in the author, Ian Fleming would be rolling in his grave right now. If he knew about what they did is disrespectful and in my opinion, it’s cultural genocide. You don’t do that it’s kind of like what happened in Star Wars.

[@denisonunglaub]

killing Bond is a no-go zone. It's the most basic premisse any Bond movie should have. So killing, is just SO FUCKING STUPID is just indefensible

[@STONESGAM]

It would have been cool if they did something like this in Craig's fourth outing as Bond. Pulled like a Sherlock Holmes thing where he dies and then bring him back for his last outing somehow. This just left me feeling sad and empty leaving the theatre though. Craig was just sort of a depressing Bond for me. His movies played the drama a bit too much. Casino Royale was terrific but I think that was more because of the script, locations, and writing. In Skyfall which was good too they always made him out to be like this out of touch old man even though he was only in his third film. Plus, there was barely any sex in any of the Craig Bond films. They tried to make him into this one woman, almost lovesick type guy when that is not the character. Bond is a handsome bachelor who has a very dangerous job. He enjoys sleeping around with beautiful women because he could die at any moment and is going to enjoy himself when he can. So he sleeps around and enjoys good booze and nice clothes and fine dining and fancy cars and gadgets. And there is nothing wrong with that. I just don't agree with killing Bond. I guess they were trying to be dark and edgy but I don't really want that from my Bond. I want pure escapist fun like Octopussy, Goldfinger, or the Spy Who Loved Me. I don't feel very good about the future of Bond at this point. The best we can hope is they decide to go the route of Top Gun: Maverick and make the next series an old school crowd pleaser with no woke agenda....but I doubt that will happen.

[@LeonWick526]

I don't feel good about the future of Bond either. That's why I'm leaving the franchise for good.

[@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM]

Craig just wasn't a good James Bond.

[@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM]

@@STONESGAM I've known older - much older - women who were really attracted to Sean Connery. Those females didn't seem to mind what "Bond" did for a living.

[@ernestosalinas8231]

I concur, Producers should just leave it at that. Messed up the Series enough already. Thank God for Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible.

[@tomburroughes9834]

Interesting point about Maverick as a comparison.

[@szlava3641]

One reason I hated SPECTRE was because they reduced the criminal organization from a mysterious, powerful organization into a Mickey Mouse organization

[@markoantonio1422]

No time to die ending kills the whole movie, because it doesn't leave you with that excitement and joy that bond movie should bring the movie goer.

[@RenePeraza]

I expect that the first line the next Bond (Cavill) says is: "The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated!" Just for fun!

[@KimBailey-w2g]

@@RenePeraza well, at least you’ll be pretty to look at not like Daniel Craig yuck

[@tvolution1]

They were going for the big dramatic ending and that may have worked (for some) at the time but in time it looks a horrible decision. The beauty of Bond movies is their re-watchability and I cannot think of a Bond I’d want to rewatch less than NTTD-and a lot of that has to do with that end.

[@DM-kv9kj]

" I cannot think of a Bond I’d want to rewatch less than NTTD" Well, Spectre is just as bad for me, but yeah. I never in my life thought I'd ever be able to say with total conviction that I would honestly rather be forced to watch A View to a Kill, Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day back to back than be made to rewatch Spectre and/or NTTD! And that isn't even a "woke" complaint or something, Spectre wasn't "woke" at all (like Craigbond just forcing himself on the wife of a guy he just shot and who seconds before slapped him - I even find that worse than the notorious Goldfinger hay barn or Thunderball steam room scenes) just bad and pretentious and dull.

[@phillipleconte3715]

"The beauty of Bond movies is their re-watchability". it does not get better the third - fourth time.

[@MikeBixby]

agreed! The best part of No Time to Die is Craig is now gone...Henry Cavill, Barb. Let's bring back the tall, suave, clever sophisticated 007 or just retire the series.

[@redlightmax]

46:23 "No Time To Die is better than Quantum [Of Solace]"? "Of course, 100%." Insane - Quantum Of Solace is a lean machine, while No Time To Die is a bloated mess.

[@k.b.7718]

This!👍

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Agreed. Trashing Quantum is such a normie thing to do. Just like how OHMSS and LTK used to be considered the worst movies until one day the internet told them they were good.

[@Romans8-9]

​@@JDoe-gf5oz Lol at one day. OHMSS has been lauded for decades. QOS has been trash since the day it was released. To say a movie, where Daniel Craig had to complete the script himself is better than other Bond films, is downright laughable.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@Romans8-9 lauded by fans who saw it and gave it a chance, but the seeming consensus among regular Joes pre-2000s internet was that it was a bad movie and Lazenby was the "bad Bond" because hur dur he wasn't Connery and why else would he only do one if he wasn't terrible?

[@Romans8-9]

@@JDoe-gf5oz" Pre-2000s internet" lol Move the goalposts much?

[@LadyDanish]

I genuinely still enjoy the film but it is the last Bond film I talked to my dad about before he passed so it does make me sad in that aspect. Now we need the Joe/Scott discussion! Lol, but still great talk with you two

[@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM]

Wow, that's sad - your last James Bond conversation with your Dad. I was so surprised at myself, crying at the end of this film - because James Bond died. I hadn't quite realized just how pervasive this person had been a part of my entire life. I can understand how your Dad may have been a bit sad, learning that toward the end of his life, a film & book character that had probably given him a lot of joy and fun throughout his life was now 'dead' (and didn't really need to be).

[@LadyDanish]

@@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM yeah my Dad was a life long Bond fan, he saw Dr. No in theaters when he was 11. To be honest I'm just glad he did get to see NTTD before he passed because with all the delays the film had I was worried that he wasn't going to last long enough to even see the film. My dad was actually ok with the ending when it pertained to Daniel Craig's run but he also was anxious to see who would be cast as Bond next. This series is something near and dear because it's what we bonded (no pun intended) over. Thanks for your comment!

[@UnDonnaiolo]

Sean Connery used to enjoy being a secret agent. Daniel Craig looks like someone who doesn't want to do it but is still doing it. Casino Royale is the perfect Bond movie and the best of DC. It had all Bond formulas in a perfect proportion. CR looks old and new both at same time. My dad used to be a huge Bond fan and he just was disappointed after watching Nttd. I think the production making Bond more politically correct was the biggest mistake.

[@UnDonnaiolo]

@@rossmccay Bond is meant to be a nicer anti Hero. He is meant to be someone who uses women to gain his milestones in a mission. He is someone who needs to kill people cold heartedly without even flinching. Humanising himself a little is good but making him soft is not

[@Tomahawk511]

You know what I think would have been a great idea? Not make NTTD. Craig should have hung up his Tux after Skyfall. Finish strong.

[@alfredvalrie5541]

36:41 Dave’s opinions perfectly encapsulate mine.

[@HellDOG5]

I wish I found this channel earlier. I love all these discussions. I absolutely hated the Daniel Craig movies when I was younger funnily enough now it is my favourite saga.

[@callummoore6962]

Spoilers for "No Time to Die": While I don't think the ending is perfect by any means as I think there are some unpolished aspects to it, like I think there should have been more a rushed after thought as I think there should have been more of an funeral scene akin to say Tony Stark from "Avengers: Endgame" (as much as I don't care for that film) or even the finale to "House MD" where we get to see each supporting cast member talk about the main character at his funeral, as well as the fact that I think the villain needing to be a bit more well realised or at least have a different kind of villain in general.... like imagine if Pattinson's Batman having a 5 part saga in which the first film has Riddler as the main villain, the next one is Penguin, then Joker, then Hush or Ra's Al Ghul and suddenly you have his finale and death of his version Batman go out in a face-off with.......the Mad Hatter, I like Mad Hatter as a villain but his personality type is not exactly finale type. But some of the backlash towards the ending to "No Time to Die" comes off as rather baffling in almost as crazy luddite sort of way, mainly the idea that Bond being the "ultimate survivor" or a character that "never gives up" like his Captain Kirk from "Star Trek" or Woody from "Toy Story". This simply not true especially considering that half the time, Bond being able to survive half the missions he goes on depends on him getting lucky half the time. Nearly all the films from the 60s (which many consider to be THE Golden Age of 007) either have a scene where Bond was pretty much saved from certain death by someone else, but I can name at least 3 examples from that era where you could say Bond pretty much given up in someway: - In "Thunderball" after losing a fist fight with Largo and was held a gunpoint, Bond pretty much froze with a worried look on his face until Domino killed Largo with a speargun. - In "You Only Live Twice", Bond pretty had the same reaction when Blofeld held him a gunpoint near the end until Tiger Tanka showed in a nick of time to save Bond's life. - And perhaps the best example of this is "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", where after escaping Blofeld's lair and being chased by Blofeld's henchmen until at one point Bond did just give up as he just sat a bench with his head down hoping for some miracle despite all the odds being against him.....luckily a Christmas miracle in the form of Tracy showed up in a nick of time to save him. Just saying, the ultimate survivior archetype is not exactly the type who is so dependant on others saving his ass. If Bond sees the option to get out of the mission alive, would he take it? Yes, he would. But he is a character who is aware of his mortality and when he realises that he has no option, Bond has given up and more often than was lucky to make it out alive. Hell, giving up is not even out of character for Craig's Bond as he pretty much did the same after being tortured by Le Chiffre in "Casino Royale".

[@SmithDrewSmith]

Is the next series going to be "Do all Bond films suffer in the 3rd act?"

[@Beingjamesbond]

🤣🤣🤣

[@christianloepfe179]

Bringing a little Child in Danger for Matter of Suspense, is a no go, especially in a Bond Movie!

[@renekauts8323]

Daniel Caig era was almost a total disaster. The first 3 movies(2006, 2008, 2012.) were tolerable. But a whole era(2006-2021) was so damn different from anything before. This massive depression. Bond was like a psychopath, not a gentleman-agent. And I was particularly disturbed by the fact that all of Craig's films were connected to each other! By the way, I actually liked in 2012 presumably a cool independent Raoul Silva character in "Skyfall". But what later turned out? He was just a Blofeld's henchman, nothing more... Remember what Blofeld said in 2015? "I was behind everything!". And Blofeld turned out to be Bond's stepbrother? WTF!?!?!? IT JUST SUCKS!!! What a terrible scenario! NTTD was no better either. Bond was now a family man. Can you imagine Connery making breakfast for his daughter? Or Moore? Or Dalton? Such a crappy move by the filmmakers. And Bond's death. That was the last straw for me. By the way, in the last interview I saw, Michael and Barbara showed absolutely zero interest in continuing with the franchise. So, maybe the death of Craig's Bond really was the end of the series? Anyway, my advise to the producers is this: Quickly back to glamorous/fun/spectacular Bond! Like "TSWLM"(1977) & "Moonraker"(1979)! Otherwise, you'll be screwed! The audience will not survive another disaster! Both "Spectre"(2015) and "NTTD"(2021) were the worst Bond films ever!!!

[@Madmanmarque]

Honestly, the only Craig Bond that felt like a Bond was Casino Royale. They tried to make his films seem gritty and more realistic but the plot holes and serial aspect made it laborious drivel. Even Skyfall had Bond going into battle knowing he was sure to go up against superior forces with noting but a double rifle. Don't get me started on NTTD. From the stealing of the MC universe (Tony Stark has a kid, now I have to protect it) to the obvious demise from the opening gun barrel when Bond Fades with no blood. This combined with the OHMSS homage telegraphed the ending. Most of his series, he's a rogue agent... Just go on a f#$ing mission for God's sake and stop with the brooding bullshit.

[@Nodrog832]

I just rewatches QoS another time and I believe it is the hidden gem of the whole DC era. Its actually pretty artistic and innovative and in my opinion Daniel has the best style in it.

[@DM-kv9kj]

If by "artistic" you mean just pretentious hack-art. The whole Craig tenure supposedly as "James Bond" has been plagued with convoluted, cobbled together hack pretentious writing and production, yet when you actually give it an ounce of proper thought you realise none of it makes sense, it's completely hollow and just baffling and riddled with many of the absolute cheapest writing tricks in the industry - for example revealing major characters as being related somehow in an attempt to force cheap drama or perpetually forcing a dreary and miserable tone which somehow passes for being all clever and realistic these days. Not one day in my entire real life has everything looked drenched in a drab cold blue filter and everyone been constantly brooding and wise-cracking etc. Royale was good and had a lot of promise and potential that was just wasted frankly. The Craig Bond movies are a boring and miserable conundrum for me.

[@phillipleconte3715]

totally agree

[@Orson2u]

. @phillipleconte3715 Quantum of Suck, indeed.

[@FatherVampire]

David Zaritsky: "... it may have made it (NTTD) the worst in the series!" *MIC DROP... and out!* :)

[@christopherreynolds9577]

Great conversation. It is fun to get different reactions and think about how I feel. Thanks

[@Michael1966W]

The first hour of this movie was great. But it went downhill real quick. I got several issues with this movie.

[@MyRetroLife]

Finally watched it last night. LOVED IT. Might be right behind Casino Royale as far as the Craig era goes

[@QKvox]

I loved it from the get go, and my love for it hasn’t wained, its increased, its awesome, and no one can take that away from me

[@operationb.e.n6480]

I still stand by my belief that they should've saved Blofeld as the final antagonist instead of rushing it with Spectre, but NTTD was still a great conclusion to the Craig era

[@lloydpassafume5357]

I haven't rewatched it since theaters. I really enjoyed a lot of it. Particularly the opening, Cuba, and the forest action sequence.

[@edgarchaput1793]

Oh wow, I didn't expect a Stephen He cameo of "Emotional damage!" Love that guy.

[@tajcee]

I think my interest in NTTD waned when the release date was pushed back the second time, which was a whole year. Then I had the opportunity to watch it finally at home with my wife. I could not for the life of me finish the film, and it was around the halfway point where we both tuned out of the story, then the film altogether. To this day, Quantum of Solace remains my favorite Daniel Craig Bond film, followed by Casino Royale, and then Skyfall. Neither NTTD or Spectre have any rewatchability for me.

[@phillipleconte3715]

Quantum of Solace is an excellent Bond film. For one thing I could follow the plot. I dare anyone to explain the plot of NTTD after one viewing.

[@tajcee]

@@phillipleconte3715 Agreed! I remember watching QoS when it first came out and being confused by the plot; over the years I’ve grown to love it and it’s actually surprisingly straightforward- it moves quickly, doesn’t waste time, and doesn’t lag at all. And it’s filled with subtle, quiet character moments. There are actually scenes in the film where I’m thinking to myself “Damn, why couldn’t they expand on that thread?” But now? Bond films have to be nearly 3 hours, with overstuffed plot points. poorly developed characters.. It’s nonsense

[@redlightmax]

@@tajcee Quantum of Solace is my fave Craig Bond film too. I know the criticisms of it being similar to Jason Bourne, but I like those films too, so to me that's a feature, not a bug. "...it moves quickly, doesn’t waste time, and doesn’t lag at all." Now imagine if Quantum had a runtime of 163 minutes - even I would be bashing it. No Time To Die is so bloated that it was always going to throw people off.

[@tajcee]

@@redlightmax There definitely are some parallels between QoS and the Bourne series, especially as far as its action; Bond is deadly in this particular film, cold-blooded, and it doesn’t get anymore gritty than this. Now it is a flawed film, especially with its villain and his scheme which admittedly could’ve been fleshed out more, but the moments that I genuinely love (the Palio footchase, Bond and Mathis on the plane, Bond and Camile’s conversation in the sinkhole…) which I can go back and rewatch. If the rest of Craig’s tenure was more in this vein, instead of these bloated tributes to the past, I’d enjoy it more. After Skyfall I was pretty much done.

[@damonappel]

Did you ever watch Casino Royale, immediately followed by Quantum of Solace? If not, and you love QoS, you owe it to yourself to have a 4 hour Bond movie night. Honestly, they should have just ended it there, and rebooted with a recast. We would've all been better off.

[@denniswhite9721]

It's the only film in the entire canon (and I'm so old I've seen them all from the beginning in a theater) where I walked out and thought I really don't care if I ever see it again. I actually gave it a chance and went back one more time... no change. Done.

[@nashf5925]

I feel your pain, shared sentiments.

[@DM-kv9kj]

Man, I was exactly the same. But I also walked out of Die Another Day (around the time it got to Iceland). I gave NTTD, as you did, another chance when it came on tv. Even worse, because the cinema can often give a new movie the illusion of grandeur that the novelty, cinema experience, big screen and surround sound systems give. When I watched it on tv it was even more glaringly obvious what a complete hack-written, bizarrely convoluted and misguided story it was. Not even sure there is a story tbh, it's just a bunch of stuff happening, all trying to set up Bond's death. And when Bond's death comes it's not even remotely respectfully done. Bond has escaped countless far worse situations, and he's met and slept with countless far more interesting and beautiful women than that unlikeable block of pointless wood he just met and is suddenly quitting the service for and getting pregnant etc. How many women has he slept with without getting accidentally pregnant, yet suddenly just when those dumb hacks Purvis and Wadehead are forcing the demise of our hero, suddenly he has got someone pregnant by accident. I didn't buy that, I didn't buy their supposed relationship in the first place, I didn't buy Blofeld as being his brother, I didn't buy Bond not killing Blofeld at the end of Spectre, I didn't buy that Blofeld has orchestrated all the other movies (he didn't, because if you actually go and watch back through them that makes zero sense, it's been tacked on to force drama like some cheap Netflix series), I didn't buy Bond quitting, I didn't buy that Bond couldn't escape that situation or that he'd even let himself get infected like that, I didn't buy the villain's motivations (I have honestly forgotten his name right now, some Purvis and Wade character name that's utterly bland and probably lifted from a John Gardener pos novel)...man, I just did not buy a single thing about Spectre or NTTD, none of it, not even by Bond movie standards. They also killed James Bond in such a random, convoluted, hackneyed way and then just put "James Bond will return" at the end too?? Why? Why kill him then? It seems to me like a symbolic ritual killing of white Bond. They are likely scavenging around for some black actor now to try and follow the latest Hollywood trend of every white character being blackwashed. Not that I'm against a black Bond, but doing it for the sake of trends and not because you've just happened to find a brilliant actor for the role is going to be lame. It will also not just simply be done and done well, like Goldeneye simply did the female M and sexism stuff well and moved on, they are going to make a big circus of it for yet more mega rich white Hollywood producers to try and show off how enlightened they are.

[@per-arnemoa103]

​@@DM-kv9kj "not that l'm against a black Bond" tells me you are a coward. Bond is a white British male, just as Shaft or Mr. Tibbs should never be white. Would it not be nice if Bond was to be played by a Chinese or something? Take a cold shower, man.

[@JannAsheSGBC]

Majesties and Goldeneye are tied as my favorite Bond film. The use of Louis Armstrong’s theme song for Bond and Tracy, just rubs me the wrong way. It doesn’t belong here in this film. I hear that song I immediately think of Bond with Tracy. It just takes me out of this film. When Bond tosses the hat too Moneypenny, at the wedding I tear up, in Majesties. But here in NTTD, I don’t get emotional with the finish. I never got the Bond Madeline relationship feels. When Bond and Tracy connect glances in that barn, as Bond shuts barn door, while Tracy whisks her hair; that connection speaks volumes for me. And after Bond has to navigate down the mountains from Piz, to the village. Dodging Blofeld and his men, the Bunt and her men. When he sits on that bench, I feel for him. He needs help, he’s exhausted, his face shows need. When he glances up at Tracy ( who makes a skate outfit , stunning) the glance speaks volumes for me. Yet despite Craig doing a good job, dialogue between him and Madelline, I just don’t get any feels. Saffin, just a tremendous disappointment , I felt. Now, I love this film while in Matera, Cuba, Jamaica. Paloma was incredible, to little screen time. M, Q, Moneypenny are great in NTTD. Bond and Felix, that was again great.

[@NelsonStJames]

I definitely felt the same way about the use of the Armstrong song in this film. In this universe Bond never met Tracy so why do they keep with the call backs? Is this supposed to be this timeline's version of Tracy? This clearly isn't the same Bond from the original timeline.

[@milespenucevski2190]

A lot of people are talking about how miserable of a watch this movie this is, and how much they dislike it, but I love this film, flaws and all. This was the last movie I was ever able to see in theaters with my father. He got me into Bond when I was young, and it was something the two of us really Bonded (pun intended ;) over. Being 17, this was the first Bond film I've seen in theaters. Initially he wasn't going to go, it was just going to be me and my mom, but the plans he had for the day fell through, so he came with us. The amount of times we elbowed each other and smiled at each other during all the Bond tropes and all the Majesty's (his favorite Bond movie) callbacks was so amazing. When Bond touched Madeline's arm during the Blofeld interrogation, he leaned in and said "he's going to die at the end" and boy was he right. By the time it happened, we both got very misty eyed. He absolutely loved it, and so do I. Unfortunately, he passed last December. Upon every rewatch, I shed many a tear everytime the ending rolls around. I'm so incredibly thankful I was able to experience this movie with him. Even with how bad some of the elements are, this movie will always hold a priceless place in my heart.

[@PurushaDesa]

Sorry for your loss, Miles. Glad you love No Time to Die like I do.

[@mohammedashian8094]

“Could it be-“ Yes it is. Oh fuck yes it is big time But in all seriousness, the problem in my opinion was that he over did the serious aspect and so it became dull and boring. I think Fleming might’ve mentioned it somewhere that at the heart of it all they’re entertaining spy thrillers like when you read them bond IS serious and a bit haunted by his past and is fleshed out with character development moments here and there but he does have moments where he’s just relaxing and having fun not Roger Moore but like regular fun like playing cards or golf or taking care of his car and such like and is a bit of romantic at times. And imo dalton did a much better job with showing that than Craig did and that’s not to say that he’s bad but it was just too much

[@mancal5829]

Bond shouldn't have been blown to smithereens. They should have let the ending open to interpretation.

[@sandr6769]

Am I the only one who really appreciated NTTD, as second best Daniel Craig movie? I really like the idea that they killed off the character, becauae there was nowhere else they could have gone after Spectre. Bond in NTTD feels like a special agent who is capable of sneaking up and do sneaky stuff. The final location was great comeback to evil mastermind lair idea. I loved how they've changed the radiation for virus and it works as Dr No homage. BTW: for clarification, Skyfall is my favourite, and surprisingly for some, Casino Royale is 3rd.

[@nebulousy]

Casino Royale is 3rd? Something’s wrong with you.

[@sandr6769]

@@nebulousy I'll do you better - Quantum of Solace is a good movie.

[@KalEl290]

I love David and his content. He has such a narrow view of the fandom and NTTD. He speaks like everyone shares his and Calvin’s opinion. I loved the film when I first saw it, and I love it even more now.

[@KalEl290]

I’ll retract this comment. It ended up being a far more level headed appraisal of the film’s successes and faults than the first 15 mins suggested.

[@jp0758]

Didn’t like the ending, now I hate the entire second half of the film 😂

[@dylanclifton3893]

I don't mind bond dying but him being killed by Saffin does not sit right with me. Also Saffin killing Spectre felt like they were trying to make us forget the last movie and Blofelt for some other less interesting shmuck was a facial injury to take the spotlight from the classic villains. Its like is Batman and Joker were killed by Clayface.

[@e-musickvance3581]

Interesting information. Daniel Craig consulted with Hugh Blackman for advice on how to kill off a beloved character. Jackman's Wolverine died in Logan. So Craig got some inspiration from Hugh and the movie Logan. Now Jackman is back alive as Wolverine in the new Deadpool movie.

[@quantumdave1592]

Yes…and it completed the unraveling for the enthusiasm that Casino Royale gave us in the beginning! In total, wasted years IMO

[@russkammerer4655]

YOU DON'T KILL JAMES BOND. RULE NUMBER 1

[@rolandmiller5456]

Everybody dies.

[@t.l3846]

​@@rolandmiller5456 and that's why the movie's ending sucked. It's meant to be escapism not reality. Of course a real life 00 would die within the first 10 years of service it's an incredibly dangerous job.

[@jonnydornan5647]

Grow up

[@There_Will_Be_Bond]

Just pausing this five minutes in to let you know how excited I am to watch the rest. And continue.

[@Beingjamesbond]

You rock!

[@diogocatalano9557]

I tried to watch this movie but I couldn't stand it. The script and premise are as uninteresting as the characters. One of the biggest problems with the "Craig era" is that the characters lack any charisma, especially Craig, who is himself the epitome of the dull man. The script does its best to create empathy and forge feelings in the audience, with tacky and exaggerated scenes. A complete disaster.

[@agamemnonbusmalis]

I have no issue with Bond getting killed in theory... I hate that it was this villain (the worst of the series) and this convoluted "ticking clock" that did it. To me, there are a lot of parallels with Rise of Skywalker... they didn't have a plan for the ending at the start and instead tried to retcon/shoehorn in elements that should have been set up in QOS which leaves the entire Craig storyline feel forced and messy. Craig was a very good Bond but his series ended up being a failed experiment IMHO and with the significant delays for Bond 26, the future of the franchise is in significant doubt. Hopefully they can turn it around again but it seems unlikely now

[@ryanfrasor9403]

There is a saying We used to use in the Marine Corps, “good initiative, bad judgement.” That’s my thoughts on this movie.

[@JamesBondNL]

He’s back! And his beard is in full swing! Go Joe!

[@kevinhenry834]

Dying to hear Scott's 2 cents

[@LadyDanish]

Same we need the Scott input!

[@knjohd]

He got his girlfriend pregnant by mistake, accidentally kills Blofield, doesn't stop Felix from getting killed, can't stop his daughter getting kidnapped, his daughter has to self rescue, he then gets himself infected with the killer nanobots and has to blow himself up...so much Bond fail in this movie.

[@007johnsnake]

But he saved the day at the end of the movie, doesn't it? He was still a badass during the whole movie. =)

[@Orson2u]

Craig’s Bond is a loser. And a bore.

[@lmw27if]

I hesitated seeing this due to the ending. Others like Calvin thought the ending was forced. This was the most moving, beautifully done Bond movie. It did YOLT right. I loved it!!!

[@nebulousy]

🤨

[@JoaoPereiray]

Great to have you back joe! Miss scott too! you guys are the best

[@kevintaylor1626]

Craig’s worst as he died at the end or Quantum would have taken that dubious honour.

[@tomlock5484]

He made 5 films and only 2 of them are any good. Casino Royale and Skyfall are great. The rest are just so bad it's unbelievable.

[@Mike-wf1nm]

Well-done as usual, gentlemen. I really think/hope NTTD will gain more admirers over time--it really swung for the fences and got a lot of it right.

[@dtuk22]

Oh no Joe mate, I've just seen this reminded for the forthcoming livestream. After such a long time I'm looking forward to this debate on your channel.....but its scheduled for 1am ! UK time. Arrrh darn it 😒

[@alexdas2000]

Is Scott in it?

[@Beingjamesbond]

Not yet, but I'm working on him! :)

[@djfonsetampa]

Looking forward to hear what this guy have to say about this film!! Hope he liked too🤞🏻

[@stonedcrazy]

I think it might be, be interested to hear what others think.

[@gatekeeperboxing5898]

Daniel Craig is the only Bond who has all of his films currently residing in my Top 10 bond films. However i've only seen Spectre, Skyfall and No Time to Die once. All of the remaining Bond series have at least been seen twice some 3 or more times.

[@slatestravels]

I have a feeling this film will be looked back on over time and praised eventually that is if the series continues to grow

[@nshorus5001]

The latest bond films are so dark and cold, too PC. No thanks

[@ethantoise4073]

It's not Daniel Craig's worst film, it's James Bond's worst film

[@ernestosalinas8231]

True, Daniel's best is Skyfall.

[@gvshutt]

Hard to argue that

[@qwertymanor]

No it isn't Jesus Christ

[@liquidgeorge]

Worse than Diamonds Are Forever, The Man With the Golden Gun and Die Another Day?

[@ethantoise4073]

​@@liquidgeorge Three films that don't take themselves seriously and just have fun. Killing Bond is the least of its problems. Forgetting to make me care. Wasting Paloma, making felix a plot device. "I had a brother", could we see some camaraderie to prove that? they aren't close in casino and quantum, here all we get is them being chummy at the bar. Same thing with Matilda. Bond makes her apple slices and that's why we should care when he dies. Matilda never gives one flip about not having a dad, suddenly having one, and losing him. Matilda is a vessel for the audience, completely oblivious to the danger and emotional stakes. The soap opera monologues, the 40+ minutes snail paced exposition dump between Felix's death and the soccer-mom chase, the fact that Bond doesn't sacrifice himself to save the world but to save his failed relationship, the fact that Bond doesn't even get to defeat Spectre or Blofeld and that the entire organization is taken out in seconds by a random nobody. Blofeld's scheme made zero sense. He could easily have killed bond with the bomb, but purposely made it weak enough to survive and told his minions to shoot at bond with live ammo but don't hit him. he would rather ruin his love life. The 1 assassin who shoots at Maddeleine through the glass should have tipped bond off that she wasn't in on it. The 'time is running out' climax: only because you set a timer and for no other reason. Ken Adams would throw up if he saw Safin's lair, a gray concrete slab. The garden of death is a couple of house plants with vague poisons we'll never know about.

[@yafilthyanimal1]

I've still never rewatched the film in its entirely, and don't want to: it's got some great scenes, but *that* ending ruined the whole thing for me. I want fantasy, entertainment and escapism from my Bond films, where he wins out against all the odds. Hope BB reads this😂

[@PartTimeBox]

I'm with Joe on this one. And as far as Bond's end goes: if this wasn't clearly it's own continuity maybe there'd be a problem, but all the movies leading up to NTTD made it clear that this was its own world. Therefore, it's safe to assume that any subsequent Bond will also be in their own universe/continuity. Which I think is good and offers a lot of freedom as long as you can get the audience on board. I'm on board personally, in the same way and for the same reasons I'm on board when a new Spider-man or Batman is introduced: I like the character and am interested in seeing independent and fresh takes on the character periodically. I actually have a problem with Bond's death...but more in how it was executed and less that it happened at all. I feel, based on the Craig conception of Bond, that he'd be more likely to die from a bullet wound slumped in a hallway than in a fireworks display. That seems more in keeping with the gritty assassin-world that he inhabits. I thought the missile death was too grandiose and on the verge of silly.

[@thezachmarsh]

While I really like the execution of Bond's demise and have on all ten of my viewings, I can also appreciate this: I had a feeling Bond would die in NTTD, and I was expecting more of a Killing of a Chinese Bookie or Children of Men type of death.

[@phillipleconte3715]

it as staged in such a way as to keep it secret...the crew probably had no idea. that's part of the probably....Bond was killed impersonally ...in post.

[@justinharrell327]

I still like NTTD. I have no problem with him dying. It was shocking but understandable based on the story. Besides, he'll be back...eventually.

[@rickwigington2771]

NTTD is my favorite Bond film.

[@hamsterman2008]

The Bond films died with Bond . Rest in Peace James Bond .

[@SimonBaldock]

The Bond films died the moment Craig was hired. His tenure was nothing short of loathsome embarrassment. Worst possible hiring and his open hatred of the character led to the ego-driven decision to kill the character.

[@frankb821]

Joe, I heard you mention the film Cinema Paradiso, which somehow I missed. Just watched it for the first time and it is so beautiful and mesmerizing, hitting me in just the right way. Thank you so much for the "rec."

[@Beingjamesbond]

It’s such a great film isn’t it!? And the fact that it’s about the love of cinema makes it even more special for us cine-philes!

[@frankb821]

@@Beingjamesbond I'm actually frustrated with myself for letting it slip by for this long. I THOUGHT I was a cine-phile :) As a hardened Bond fan (and with film in general,) I'm a sucker for sentimentality.

[@johnv7317]

I rather defend The Man with the Golden Gun and A View to a Kill than Spectre and No Time To Die because this film along with Spectre killed the franchise.

[@hectorescobar9450]

Really hate when fans take so seriously about what should or should not happen to the movie franchise they like, instead of appreciating a good narrative.. this bond is the second best bond from Craig’s era and one of the very best in the franchise. This is coming from a film fan and not a James Bond aficionado.

[@hectorescobar9450]

@Randy White Everyone is of course entitled to that opinion, but from filmmaking and viewing it from an un bias perspective, this film simply polished things real nicely. The first hour am a half of this film, is amongst the franchise best moments. Whether people love the decision of killing bond or not, that is open to subjectivity. I am not a bond elitist, but love films, I have watched most of what fans consider the very best of the franchise and I have to say that NTTD is probably my 3rd best viewing experience from the whole bond catalogue. (Cinematography, acting, cool factor, emotional content) all seems top notch, with the exception of maybe a big part of the 3rd act but overall, it still managed to give me a great bond experience

[@hectorescobar9450]

@Randy White I definitely know that is the case for a lot of fans there, not all. I just don’t think is justifiable..my issue has nothing to do with bond’s death. More to do with the child character and the plot decisions around her. Overall is still one of the best from the franchise

[@markcuddihy5217]

The problem with No Time to Die is us; the fans "I gave you everything you ever wanted; it wasn’t what you wanted.” From the song So Cruel by U2, Achtung Baby (1991) It is fair to say that No Time to Die has had some mixed reviews from the Bond Community. Many have grown tired of the lack of camp during the Craig era. Also, there was a lot of expectation for the series to bounce back from the relative disappointment of SPECTRE (for the record, I love SPECTRE but that is for another time). Perhaps though it is we in the Bond community who have to look to ourselves for the ending of Craig’s era. It now seems clear that Daniel wanted to kill off his version of Bond and this was part of the conditions he agreed to return for one last adventure. The production and writing team wanted a definitive end to his story line. I realise that many in the Bond community are disappointed with this but perhaps it is our fault. How many times have we seen in polls that On Her Majesty’s Secret Service is in retrospect the best Bond film? Yet, we as fans conveniently forget that it performed relatively badly on its initial release. So much so that two years later Sean Connery became the highest paid star in Hollywood to reprise his role in Diamonds Are Forever. EON Productions would not have been ignorant of the retrospective fan evaluation of Her Majesty’s. I get the impression they are not yet in the mood for remakes. However, going back to the original source material for inspiration has always been important to them. There is a literary precedence for Bond dying based on From Russia with Love and You Only Live Twice although there was always an ambiguity. Probably to placate Fleming’s publisher and bank manager. For me the writers of NTTD decided to take the tone of Fleming’s last three books as a ground zero for a story; On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, You Only Live Twice and The Man with the Golden Gun. Clearly the idea of a virus was amended because of COVID. Otherwise, Bond is starting to be world weary and wants to leave the Service. Later, the film suggests he is now alcohol dependent. We find out he is an estranged father just like in MWTGG. Sounds familiar. Perhaps having been stung by Bond Community views with the more light-hearted flavour of SPECTRE, the writers strove to offer a definitive chapter in the Bond canon on a par with Her Majesty’s. And why not? OHMSS consistently turns up as the best Bond film in the EON canon (I don’t think so, but it is brilliant). EON productions gave [most of] us fans what we wanted: • One last Craig film • Another go at SPECTRE the organisation • A tone, if not story, based on the Fleming books like Casino Royale • Glamorous locations • An insight into Bond’s day-to-day life and world view reflecting the books • Spectacularly staged action scenes • A twist at the end (although we all knew when Felix died if not before) They gave us everything we ever wanted. Unfortunately, for many it was not what they wanted. I love NTTD and feel it is a fitting ending. It will be a few years before I decide where it rates. I’m also looking forward to the next incarnation of Bond on screen. Next time as fans perhaps we need to be careful for what we wish for. Great conversation Gentlemen.

[@LeonWick526]

I'm afraid NTTD is an example of Barbara Broccoli choosing what Daniel Craig wants over the fans. It doesn't matter where OHMSS ranks in the polls. NTTD only got made because Barbara badly wanted to work with Daniel one last time. After Die Another Day, they canned Pierce Brosnan even though he wanted to do another Bond film whereas they had to beg Daniel to come back which was a huge mistake (NTTD lost around $100 million at the box office). If she were more like her father, Barbara would've NEVER agreed to kill Bond off but the fact that she did shows she doesn't give one iota about what fans want. Please don't blame the fanbase, it's the producers pure and simple.

[@jugglerj0e]

No its Not OUR fault. You don't need to write an entire page of your reasons why. Its far too much to read. Daniel Craig was a terrible James Bond. He's totally boring & makes the movies drag on & on. Even his face has a dead look to it. Yes I'm a hater but facts are facts.

[@danielscott8180]

I have no problem with Bond dying. I'm just not excited about how it was executed in NTTD. It felt like suicide. In Danny Boyle and John Hodge's canceled script, Bond hitches a ride with a rocket and has to disable it before it hits its target, thus sacrificing himself for civilization. What a far better send-off that would have been. Moreoever, the last 40 minutes of NTTD is an absolute slog to get through. The film needed a good editor. But what I do like about the film, is that it gave one actor's tenure a proper ending. The Craig era introduced the idea of self-contained runs dedicated to one actor, which is borrowed from Batman.

[@seanwarren5613]

Great to see you two back together👌 PTSD is a good way to describe the ending of NTTD, David. I still struggle with the second half so much. It will probably divide fans forever.

[@Plally06]

This is great. Lovely to hear the background on how you two became friends first of all! I was ready to jump straight into 'Camp Joe' on this argument (that's also my weekend name btw) but David makes a very solid case. Q for David: Do the flaws in the film diminish in any way the lifestyle items? I mean, it'd be hard to love that Omega less, right? But I love my Planet Ocean because it's in CR which is so great. Just wondering if the sentiment works the other way around?

[@evilpickle67]

I will ALWAYS hate the ending of NTTD, but it slaps Spectre's face and throws it onto the bed with its arm behind its back.

[@theartofmakingphotography]

Spector was my second favourite after casino royal. They hit on all requests of a classic Bond movie.

[@gary6514]

My father passed away due to covid this year and he used to read to original Bond books back in the 50s and his love of Bond was passed to me. I did like this movie although I didn't love it. Perhaps the death of Bond will pave the way for a new beginning. Time will tell.

[@iflarnted]

Dumbest move ever to kill off the character, then have the nerve to say James Bond Will Return. I will never pay to see another Bond movie.

[@minutiaminute]

I think darlington is right about this but it's going to tale 30 years before it's true. I just rewatched the original 20, going thru them at random, and coincidentally ended with Majesty's. It's always been a top 5 title for me so I kind of take its greatness for granted. Watching it last in my bond-a-thon really reminded me just how much it breaks the mold. I couldn't think of another film where they swung for the fences as hard other than NTTD.

[@user-ns5mt4oo1i]

Craig whined and whined that He would only do one more if He would get his wish and they would kill his character off (and a whole bunch of money too)…

[@geoffreygershon]

He did five of these and wanted to end them on a emotional note, good for him! Seriously I much prefer the way Craig wanted to finish his stint than the years-long temper tantrums thrown by Connery .....who JUST wanted more money.

[@Asshole88]

@@geoffreygershon you can't say he just wanted more money when he donated his earning from DAF to charity. That just doesn't make sense.

[@mrwhitespaleking5190]

Yep, don’t let the talent dictate the outcome of the movie. Ever.

[@Zeppelin180]

@@Asshole88 Connery also turned down $5.5m to do another after DAF. An astonishing amount of money at the time.

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

@@mrwhitespaleking5190 That's the issue with _Picard_ too.

[@Bertani1974]

I have to say that I love the ending and this way nobody can mess with this arc of the character that I enjoyed so much and the most since the Connery era. So I am very happy with the Craig tenure - except Spectre maybe which is the one I dislike … way different than NTTD.

[@thezachmarsh]

NTTD is my favourite Bond film and one of my top 20 films period. I'm not sorry for it either.

[@tripi7906]

No time to die is probably in my top 30-40 movies of all time great movie