The Story of Nagrand - Warlords of Draenor [Lore]

The final available zone awaits, Nagrand home to the Warsong clan and their leader Garrosh Hellscream. It's time to bring this orc to justice while also dealing with Cho'gal who's been send by Gul'dan to get more power!
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[@Lunaraia]

"Warchief Vo'Jin, could you do me a favor?" "What do ya need, mon?" "Could you babysit the little ones so I can go to Draenor with my mate?" "... Sure thing, mon, Jus call me Unca Vo'Jin, ja?"

[@kronoscamron7412]

+Lunaraia some time later,the little ones are blazing it with uncle Vol'jin...

[@greyjeth]

+Lunaraia Dear god yes. I can just imagine Vol'jin having misadventures while trying to take care of the two kids, kinda like the movie "Adventures in Babysitting".

[@jethprimero7565]

all voljin did as a warchief was to babysit thrall's children............

[@badcobra1942]

Vol'jin and friends go to White Castle?

[@Kaminkaese]

I fear that the bedtime stories of a shadowhunter are similar to german bedtime stories 😅

[@ajstile2002]

The rules of Mak'gora from the book: 1. Each combatant choses a weapon of his choice. 2. Each combatant choses a shaman to bless his weapon. 3.The only armor that is allowed is a piece of lien cloth. 4.Each combatant choses one witness for the duel!

[@Its_Sun1]

Thrall, the only shaman that wears plate armor. Lol.

[@K___R]

he wears mail

[@Its_Sun1]

krzysztof borkowski Thrall wasn't always a Shaman, his Doomhammer armor is plate. You can see his armor under his shaman robes, so its still plate. :3

[@Condred]

Shaman can wear whatever they want. Characters in lore aren't restricted to game mechanics.

[@TopBadge]

Alex I'Anson Because balancing, a mage is heavy armor would be fucking OP.

[@tremedar]

Alex I'Anson Actually paladins were both priests and warriors who merged to become a little of both.

[@ourodyssey374]

it would be awesome if the half races actually looked half.. Half Orc half Draenei would look awesome.

[@KiddCrowley]

Garona Halforcen. Look her up

[@Tomatowormprince]

Connor Locock That would be dumb, what would their racial be?

[@thehermitman2701]

Kenan Lindsey berserker healing?

[@tempitempster5418]

Blue orcs with tails and tentacle beards? D:

[@KiddCrowley]

Maybe not tendrils. From what I've seen of halfbreed fan art in Warcraft. The halfbreed takes on the most physical traits from the genetically stronger individual. (In most cases, its the orcs) Since we do not see mok'Nathal (half orc/ogres) with horns, we see that people like Rexxar or lantresor The Blade retain many orcish traits, they simply have a bigger size to them and possibly a few other defects. In the terms of Orc/Draenei, which most of the time was not done consensually; and as for Garona Halforcen, the only real Halfbreed between an orc and Draenei I care to mention. She didn't have many Draenei traits. In fact she pretty much looked like a green human, human hands feet, with some definite orcish features like Green skin, muscle tone, tusks. tl:dr basically half breeds are a very tricky subject in wow because there's very few to mention. The offspring of one of these couples take on the defining genes of one of the parents. Either an Orc, or Human and as we've seen, even Draenei. We haven't seen evidence of any other halfbreeds in other cultures thus far. But I theorise that is due to them having non compatible genes to procreate.

[@MegaChickenfish]

I love that image of Vol'jin on babysitting duty while Thrall is off saving the world. "Eh mon, quit wit de cryin' already, what'choo want from me?"

[@pizzakungen92]

Thrall truly did fail Garrosh, put him in an impossible position. He got the title just as the entire world was literally falling apart, he was questioned at every turn by his so called advisors. Cairnes death isnt even on Garrosh's hands it was the bloodhoof that poisoned his blade and after that Garrosh had to deal with death threats from Voljin, Sylvanas becoming the new lich king and spreading her new plague and ressing people with the very same power that the lich king used(the valkyrs), the Taurens despised him after the death of Cairne AND they where consorting with the alliance. Goblins were just generally greedy and lacked honor and the blood elves just cared about themselves and their legacy and i mean they are elves, thats enough reason for him not to trust them. All he could rely on was the Orcs and thats why he started all this racist bullshit and despise of the other races of the horde. It wasnt because he was a bad person it was because they showed him that they could not be trusted and showed little or no fealty to him as a warchief. After he realized that his only true allies were the orcs and you look at it from his perspective he really did what was best for his people. Keep in mind that he is inexperienced and has some major daddy issues, its no wonder things ended up like they did. He was put in an impossible situation, got betrayed att every turn and still kept on fighting for what he thought was right. Its not just Garrosh's fault, and its not just Thralls either but a HUGE part of this whole business falls on Cairne and Voljin, had they served as the advisors they were supposed to be none of this would have happened. Had they showed trust and lent a helping hand to Garrosh things would have turned out very differently.

[@Oblivius33]

Well said.

[@call99P]

Exactly.

[@BloodseekerxD]

Dont forget who rebuilt Orgrimmar after Shatterize when Orcs were starving and brought order back in the ranks of the Horde. Garrosh of course. Even though this is just a game, I got attached to Garrosh, and seeing him die like that, dishonorably, its kinda pain. Well Blizzard was spitting enough on the Horde, I guess in next expansion they can spit some on the Alliance, them being baddies and such. Lok'Tar

[@pizzakungen92]

Joshua King He knew Garrosh was aggressive and not fit to lead on his own. Thats why he appointed Cairne and Voljin to be his advisors. The most important aspect of Garrosh was his strenght both physical and mental, he never gave up and he never stopped fighting, Thrall knew this and he also knew the Horde would need a strong leader, there are few others in the Horde at that time that could match Garrosh's determination and strength. The more I think about it Garrosh was the only choice for Thrall, Cairne and his taurens are too soft and spiritual, Voljin doesnt really lead by example and is not the kind of leader the horde could look up to at a time of crisis hes brilliant but more of a tactitian than a leader. Garrosh was that white knight in shining armor that could bring back pride to the horde and who led by example. He was orcish pride incarnate and with the proper guidance(that he didnt get) he would have become a great warchief.

[@bindair_dundat]

It was not the bloodhoof that poisoned Garrosh' blade. Caire and Baine are Bloodhoofs. Magatha was Grimtotem. It was the Grimtotem who poisoned Garrosh' blade. A huge difference. Also I am sure it was stated somewhere, that Thrall had no other choice at that point. After their duel, Garrosh was recognised as a warrior, and later in Northrend as a war hero. After Northrend, the orcs liked him. The majority of the Horde were orcs, and they wanted a war hero as leader. They demanded a war hero. Garrosh had accomplishments, while Vol'jin and Cairne were pretty passive at that time. And Sylvanas and Lorthemar were obviously out of the picture. The fact that many orcs even followed him down the True Horde path shows how much they loved him. So it wasn't like Thrall chose Garrosh over everybody else due to his own beliefs, but rather he had to choose Garrosh and pray that the others can steer him in the right direction. If anything, the others failed Garrosh. As far as the game goes, we haven't seen Cairne or Vol'jin trying to treat Garrosh in a non-violent way. They were threatening him and challenging him to duels. If they were *better* leaders than Garrosh, you would expect they could have influenced him in any way. They didn't. And since the game skips this time without ever mentioning this, it never really happened. Thrall put his faith in Cairne and Vol'jin, and they failed him.

[@wittyreviewer]

I'm not gonna hate on the fight itself, I don't believe we've ever had a set of rules for it. Here's the best part though, Garrosh's whole spiel during the fight? He's absolutely right! Thrall DID leave him to fix his mess. Everyone told him it was a bad idea, even Garrosh didn't think he could handle it. I hope they don't try to pass it off as nothing, it would be nice to have Thrall realize it's kinda sorta his fault. They had a bit of it in War Crimes.

[@Nooctae]

I agree. I mean, Garrosh's actions went extreme during MoP in particular, but that can be explained by the Sha of Pride and everything, but in the end, everything that happens to the Horde since Cataclysm is Thrall's fault for leaving the Horde by itself. Which is a big reason why I would have been very angry if they made Thrall warchief again with no consequences.

[@wittyreviewer]

***** I don't think Garrosh was under the influence of the Sha of Pride, not from the start of MoP anyway. Look at it all from his perspective. You were raised on tales of your father, how he betrayed them all and he was a terrible leader so on and so forth. Then Thrall comes a long, and tells you how great he was, how he saved them all in the end. Thrall brings him back to Azeroth, to see how the Horde works, and what does he find? Us chasing a pacifistic stance. I mean yeah, we fought the Alliance, but out and out war was never declared. Then we send him to Northrend, by the end of which he's a war hero. Is it any wonder he took a more militaristic stance as Warchief?

[@Nooctae]

Yeah I agree with you. It all fits in the idea that Thrall did indeed make Garrosh what he is.

[@Spore6001]

I totally agree with that statement. And I really hope they address it as the expansion goes on, and Thrall doesn't just shake it off.

[@ozzyziggy4991]

If Thrall didn't leave though the whole dam world would explode. So I mean put your self in Thrall's shoes, he was under so much stress from the elements and that faction of shaman (forgot the name) were telling him to come fix the giant whole in the earth. So I mean he didn't have time to think. I personally think Thrall is amazing although I liked him pre-cata but he seems to be going back to old him in WoD. He just needs his epic long hair back

[@YodragonWasTaken]

"...we still have Azuka and..." Nope.

[@tempitempster5418]

Imagine if the garrison campaign was only half as good as Nagrand or other zones. In the end it just was visiting all daily zones and then rushed to Azuka in 2-3 quests. Pretty bad in my eyes.

[@WolframYouTube]

Tempi Tempster On the Alliance side, it was revenge of the kind I prefer. ( Spoiler ) Baros Alexton got killed by an assassin who actualy was aiming for Thorn. In the end, he confessed his love for her and gave her a rose, and died. I took great pleasure in stormstriking the light out of Azuka's eyes.

[@caboose.20]

olvenmage s I look forward to shooting her in the face when I find the time to do Alliance side of WoD

[@WolframYouTube]

freezaplanet419 Aye.

[@lgvereor]

I would like to see WoD's Grommash redeemed, come to realization of his wrongs and possibly even join (lead?) Azeroth's Horde, I think it would be the perfect way to redeem both Garrosh and Grommash and restore the base idea of various races working together while retaining the Orc theme that the Horde has been built on. Grommash unlike Garrosh is far more experienced and knows that other races are not burdens but beneficial, he knows to take help where he can get it and built real alliances. The major obstacle to this I see isn't anything on Azeroth, but Durotan himself. This could easily be resolved in Draenor by having them build a friendship from being stuck in a bad situation, or better yet, leaving Durotan to lead the Draenor Horde. The Alliance might be weary of Grommash on Azeroth, but I think generally it wouldn't be something war-worthy. This could also give Azeroth a better basis for the sort of 'Cold War' theme that it's been built on since Vanilla (excluding MoP).

[@yankokassinof6710]

sadly he died in draenor many years later....however we revisit there in a synchronized time period, so he is older, the draeneis went crazy because of the light and started murdering the orcs, extermination is what they got, and the daughter of idk who who of the orcs in draenor leads the current draenor remaining orcs to azeroth, pretty shitty ending seeing Yrel goinf nuts and killing the whole planet

[@Urbonov]

Oh geeze. Imagine if Aggra asked Saurfang to look after the kids. After what happened to his son, being trusted to look after his good friend's children, there would be some manly orcish tears. Also, pity anyone who tries to hurt them under his watch, hehehe

[@beastmaster0934]

I imagine some Twilight Hammer spies trying to kill then, just for Saurfang to cleave those bastards to pieces.

[@ryuuk85]

It's in "the shattering" when they discuss Mak'gora. It's mentioned that shaman blessing are allowed, but no magic. I saw this as thrall cheating.

[@LuisCubero93]

Dakillerbob 21 He is green Jesus, even if he dies he will probably pull a Lich King sort of thing and become the "Elemental king" or some shit like that, by this point I'm just okay with Thrall, he fucked up alot during CATA and Pandas but he has redeemed himself by now

[@xanderellem3646]

Thrall totally cheated even if its an informal rule he could of used shmanism straight of the bat but he tried to only use melee because its just how that shit is done it was only once he got stomped that he bitched out and used magic

[@NoirRaven]

This is something that needs to be added to the wiki.

[@yogtheterrible]

That's a severely unfair advantage towards warriors since a shaman would be splitting his/her time or even devoting a significant portion of time toward shamanistic powers and not so much on physical, whereas a warrior would be focusing everything on physical. Doesn't make sense if shamans themselves were allowed to participate.

[@EJ_Red]

I thought this too, but then I just assumed it was a personal thing between the two (YOU made me Warchief! You left me... To pick up. Your. PIECES! You. failed. ME!" - Garrosh, "You must pay for you crimes, Garrosh" - Thrall/Go'el). They didn't lay down any rules before the fight - or rules that we knew of - so it was probably a "This ends here, just you and me, to the DEATH!" Like a battle between Optimus Prime and Megatron, you can use any weapons as long as you have them with you at the moment, just as long as one of you dies.

[@Guts129TV]

22:35 anyone noticed Garrosh's gesture at Thrall when Thrall said: "Garrosh!" :D

[@thodorosxanthopoulos]

Thrall: vol'jin you are the new warchief and as such your first mission is... To babysit my child! May you bring honor to the horde!

[@KayderimGameplays]

Vol'Jin is Piccolo confirmed.

[@beastmaster0934]

Honestly, the image of Vol’jin babysitting Thrall and Aggra’s kids is actually kind of wholesome.

[@richardm.garciajr.9930]

Again this is so helpful. Everything is making more sense, like pieces of a puzzle.

[@horizon544]

"We could always use someone who could work in the mines" The best part is... that's all he's useful for if you don't level him up or get the inn xD

[@Zabam]

Lol, that was Vel'koz wasn't it? Anyways, I wanted to thank you for doing these. I quit wow after I hit 100 because I wasn't getting what I wanted from the expansion but I still love wow and you keep me in the loop

[@ZephWraen]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught that XD

[@Magician12345]

the death of garrosh i always imagined would be that taran zhu comes flying in out of nowhere solos garrosh but doesnt finish him but hauls him all the way back to azaroth, all the way back to pandaia, throws him back in his chair in the temple of the white tiger and be all like "now i will finish my judgment" and then someone, maybe thrall, carries out the execution.

[@favillionbellarion9655]

20:03 could it be VELKOZ is invading draenor!

[@luckykiller02]

Favillion Bellarion Vel´koz is one eye the illuminati also has one eye , velkoz is illluminati confirmed and void invation to draenor as well

[@donraccoonisoverlordofther9341]

Emanuel Albor Void vs Burning Legion...OH THE HYPE!!!

[@Lors_101]

Favillion Bellarion thats what i was about to say xD

[@stanislasbaert4051]

I was gonna sleep but then I saw this pop up :p

[@kubacocietoobchodzi3607]

Lol me too

[@perdiobic]

lol me too²

[@Sukiina_]

lol everyone's saying lol

[@Sukiina_]

SOILED IT! SOILED IT! SOILED IT!

[@Gorvar100]

I couldnt let Lantresor work in the mines! I went down there once to say hi and he said "I miss the plains of Nagrand".....I cant let him work down there! It's sad! T.T

[@philipvinterberg6958]

In the Shadowmoon valley cinematic, Velen gives a mark to Yrel just before sacrificing himself to prevent the Dark Star from falling. What is this mark, and is there any interesting lore behind it?

[@thepotato8040]

+Philip Vinterberg I don't really know, but I think he gave her his blessing. Maybe Gift of the Naruu.

[@bononoz2948]

+Philip Vinterberg the original mark of the Naaru.

[@feron_ve]

+The Potato Can i eat you im hungry ?

[@Lutranereis]

There are two constants in the World of Warcraft. Dragons causing problems, and Thrall stealing kills.

[@k01dsv]

Can all races be mixed? Like Draenei and Orcs? Could a gnome and a Troll bang and get a tiny imp-looking creature? (:

[@OnyxANZ]

k01dsv goblin + gnome = midget orcs. Troll + Human = Jamaican.

[@k01dsv]

Occupine imho, Goblins are midget orcs even without the gnome part (:

[@christianweibrecht6555]

that is one of many lore aspects that won't be properly explained

[@vteccomplex]

+k01dsv Well, Garona Half-Orcen is Draenei and Orc. She has a child with a human so she's actually fertile(infertility being common among real life hybrids). So if two completely different species from different planets can create fertile off spring, everything is probably fair game. Though, like you pointed out, most combinations would probably look really weird. Only other hybrids I know of are human/high elf like Vereesa Windrunner's children.

[@k01dsv]

Mad Max Yeah i guess (: ty

[@TheOnlyMonto]

Im thinking Garrosh isn't gone for good. My thoguht is he might take the position of the First Deathknight. Being turned into the thing Garrosh hated the most would be awesome. Also the devs said it wasn't just an orc as last boss. Maybe Deathknigth Garrosh will be there too ;) who knows im only speculating

[@a_Lemming]

Vel'koz from league of legends at 20:05

[@fotitsas]

Isnt, at this point, Thrall older than Durotan? Because it'd be a bit awkward if Aggra told Durotan that he was like a father to Thrall while Thrall is older than him.

[@zombieslastmeal8417]

Rules of Mak gora: 1.Somebody must die 2.Everything else is allowed

[@CommissarMitch]

Vol'Jin babysitting... *someone makes art of that!!*

[@Achelouz]

Wow, so Garrosh has finally died. Although he destroyed Theramore and did so many evil things, he was once a good Orc who helped command the Horde during the battle with Arthas (Lich King). R.I.P

[@MrBizon91]

The bad thing is that horde falls apart sooo quick. thats just not right. they gonna add some silly ogre empire storyline but the orcs with new techs are falling from some draenei that they could smash before portal opened. and some exiled clan with one garrison?! just gameplay > lore. thats bad.

[@exTro95]

you sir describe my feelings about WoD perfectly. i think these guys dont even show that they are a big threat. i would like that they would patch it so that the iron horde would even invade azeroth a little bit to really show they have power to conquer azeroth. this would fit so much better imo. at least it would be nice to also get some losses on draenor so its not all "yeah we have a hard time owning them but in the end we are the heroes and we win anyways"

[@lyrisea1935]

exTro Uh... Maraad was a loss, countless other good orcs were a loss. o.O

[@writershard5065]

Dude so many more major characters died in this expansion than I've seen die in most other expansions. These guys are tough work.

[@TheMMObro]

exTro I think it's bc they aren't a threat lol. It will shift to Gul'dan and the legion soon in full force.

[@MrBizon91]

Bobbie Carter even that he was a bit lesser character...your right. but pls dont compare.

[@blade30912]

I kind of wanna see Warchief Voljin reading a bedtime story to Thralls kids

[@CheersKevin]

Really enjoyed this series. Thanks much for this!

[@thepotato8040]

The fact that Aggra and Thrall finally settled down and had kids made my day. After doing shit in Mount Hyjal with them I got a lot more respect typed shit (than I already had) for Thrall.

[@Blaktimus]

Yeah cutscenes like the one's displayed here and all the fucking lore are the reason why WoW exceeds GW2 imo...sad but true

[@Blaktimus]

hey back 1 year later watching the same shit, If i could go back in time i'd tell myself to move out earlier, to your own shit not with your buddy

[@nathansteele7591]

Thrall did the same "it's your fault" thing with deathwing in a short story (I can't remember the name) if you read it then it wouldn't be much of a surprise why he told Garrosh that "it's your fault" so easily.

[@WolframYouTube]

Vol'jin looking after Thrall's kids... I can only imagine what it must have been like bringing him the message ( if it actualy happened ) Thrall: Vol'jin, the Iron Horde is invading Azeroth! Vol'jin: An invasion? I be callin' da Horde for arms and take on dis threat! Thrall: No Vol'jin, your time was in Pandaria, now go take care of my kids whilst I take my spotlight back. Vol'jin: But... I be da Warchief, my people need me Thrall: DID I FUCKING STUTTER!?! TAKE CARE OF MY CHILDREN. Vol'jin: ok... ;( ;D

[@Camimp01]

I feel bad for Garrosh. Once again, an traumatized orfan, impulsive, badly instructed, but well-intentioned person gets played by power and hideous counseling seeking to be approved. It makes me think "good" very often abandon conflicted and difficult people until they become the villains.

[@maikolgonzalez590]

This is my theory for how the expac will play out. 6.2 we might explore the ogre continent, kill some badass ogres, destroy the empire, gather some loot. 6.3 preparation for completely bringing down the iron horde. 6.4 we face off against what remains of the iron horde, and have some void storyline pop in. Gul'dan and the shadow council will probably be handled privately in the legendary questline. Thoughts?

[@gzer0x]

RE: Azeroth reinforcements: Hey, so when you go to Ashran and see this base set up, what they say is that many of the forces that Khadgar left at the Black Portal, despite many deaths, managed to fall back to the islands just off the coast. Once there they began setting up but, as Khadgar was able, mages and warlocks start to open small portals. As such, they can bring in some supplies and forces but not major equipment like zeppelins or ships ((one npc says that he wishes they could've gotten a Zeppelin through and just bomb the alliance side during a random convo)). Eventually the tenuous pact broke down and we were back to fighting. It's not the best explanation, but it is one.

[@robosuit]

Nagrand is my second least favorite zone in terms of story this expansion. I'm just so tired of orcs, man. And it's starting to make me bored of any Horde story in general. The Arakkoa story was great! The power balance in Gorgrond was good! The Draenei stuff in Shadowmoon was good! The other zones are so Orc heavy.

[@ShantayGaming]

Some year back, I can't exactly remember when but it was sometime during Wrath of the Lich King, Garrosh challenged Thrall to a fight just like this in the Ring of Valor, in that fight Thrall used lightning and won the fight, back then no one considered it cheating?

[@tripleabd]

you know whats ironic? if you look deep into what Garrosh says to Thrall in the fight "You made me what i am" it is actually true and here is the reason why. we all know that Thrall is Chris Metzen and that Thrall is the embodiment of Metzen in the Warcraft universe. we all know that Chris Metzen is the one who makes the story for Warcraft hence it was Metzen who chose the destiny of Garrosh and not Garrosh himself making what he says to Thrall aka Metzen true and what Thrall says "no, you choose your own destiny" a lie! RIP Garrosh you will be missed and

[@LadyXUnknowngirl]

I secretly do want a cut scene of Uncle Vol'jin and his nephew and niece ( I do believe one was a boy and the second a girl right?.. If not I'll fix later) playing some Hearth stone or some cutesy thing!..

[@Rizerr96]

I watched a Nobbel Q/A some time ago and you brought up something about if the Elemental Lords in Azeroth are also the Elemental Lords for Draenor, and if the elemental planes are connected to Draenor as well, but I was thinking maybe the elemental furies at the Throne of the Elements are the Draenor equivalent of the 4 Elemental Lords on Azeroth.

[@zgabuterimon21]

Drek'thar's voice actor is amazing! :D

[@domassa]

I'm probably the only one (7 billions, remmember), but I find that cinematic a bit sad, especially the ending.

[@Klerik131]

Thrall's powers were cheating because you can only use one weapon, and he chose Doomhammer. Using powers is a second weapon. Thrall absolutely lost all his honor in this fight. Garrsoh was also right in everything he said.

[@christianweibrecht6555]

I remember how Saurfang said that he would kill garrosh if he acted like his father My guess is that blizzard needed a new villain to keep the game going ,every alliance leader was a goody Two shoes they exhausted the lord in cataclysm

[@personmcperson3428]

Finally someone acknowledges how Garrosh punched Thrall in the face with his truth and Thrall straight up denying it

[@Infernal1999]

Your videos are very informational and usefully you should do some stories on stuff from cataclysm. Like Genn or Thrall anc things like ghatthat

[@Achille12345]

And Thrall show his face yet again and steal kill Garrosh from us... I truly hope he will die in Legion, but even in death his spirit will probably show up to kill steal the final boss and any other majors boss either way...

[@matsen1153]

Achille12345 he doesn't, he just loses the elements' aid. besides, I would have preferred 100k gold for finding Garrosh over a plate helm.

[@lokithekid]

Dam you nobbel and you`r lore videos i cant get any sleep because of you, they are just to dam good i can`t resist watching them.

[@CerbLancaster]

Great video! Will you be doing these kind of videos for the raids? Like Highmaul?

[@jacobsherman8729]

It would've been absolutely hilarious if Go'el took the throne of the Earth fury, entering a new level of Green Jesus

[@RandomGamerCory]

3:40 rape/...lots and lots of rape

[@palagius9149]

Besides who cares if Thrall lost all his honor in the mak'gora with Garrosh? You can't sharpen a sword with honor.

[@jadovaoliaro]

Another great video, sucks my harddrives dead but love a good shot of lore straight to the veins one of my favourite youtubers!

[@tracker113]

Saurfang or Drek'thar as babysitters would be amazing...

[@Jonononon]

Kinda feel bad for Garrosh.

[@Loremastrful]

I've been catching up on the lore of WoD. Very engaging. I'll jump in to defend Thrall. This wasn't a mistake in the should have gone left instead of right. Thrall knew from the outset Garosh was flawed, but he was the best of the available choices. The best man for the job got axed in Icecrown. Others like Vol'jin and Caine didn't want the job. Thrall gambled that the responsibility of Warchief would temper the hot head. It was a gamble he lost but it wasn't a sucker's bet. The only sore point of this conclusion is that this could have happened in MoP. His crimes in Pandaria were just as many and just as great but when it was Pandas he needed his day in court. Now that we're dealing with orcs, trial by combat works for everyone.

[@tempitempster5418]

Do you mean Dranosh? I see Varok Saurfang, his father, much more fitting as a sort of "transition-warchief" until Garrosh would have been ready. In the end, he was one of Garrosh's main advisors, but Varok always thought that Garrosh was a firebrand and inexperienced, as seen during the briefings at Warsong Hold in the Tundra.

[@leonardovieiraperes8527]

Garrosh didnt want the job either, and I dont remember Thrall offering it to Vol'jin.

[@Loremastrful]

I was referring to Saurfang. In WotLK, Thrall wasn't looking to retire and he was one of the few that saw the necessity with working with the Alliance to topple Arthas. By the Cataclysm, Thrall knew he couldn't be shaman and warchief. Of the available candidates, Garrosh was the best on paper. My point is that this error wasn't on Thrall. Garrosh had plenty of warnings, plenty of chances and he blew threw all of them. Now that its all come crashing down he doesn't get to cry like a baby that its all someone else's fault.

[@Khorothis]

When did Cairne say that he didn't want the job? I'm curious. Then again, I think it's a very human story (if you're willing to set aside the fact that the lore was/is purposefully written to provide content for the expansion). This guy thought this, that guy thought that, they weren't entirely wrong, things just got out of hand, as a series of bad decisions snowballed into the avalanche that was MoP.

[@leonardovieiraperes8527]

Khorothis and the worst of these decisions was to make an panda expansion

[@ntabiblaze]

Vol'jin Promoted us to General eh? I hope we won't become a raid boss later like Nazgrim *sigh* miss that orc =[

[@cooltv2776]

he died a truly honorable death, he didnt agree with garrosh at all, but honored his oath to the warchief and he died fighting, as any true warrior should

[@EJ_Red]

That would be fucking hilarious

[@christianweibrecht6555]

we are the boss in arenas

[@warduckdathremar3055]

i wouldnt mind seeing thrall die some time during this expansion, garrosh was awesome, strong warrior, potentially great warchief if not for cairne jumping to conclusions about who ambushed the druid meeting, vol'jin not having any faith or giving garrosh any support at all when he needed it (both absolutely shitty 'advisers'). everyone knew garrosh was a broken-heart'd orc from his fathers legacy, even garrosh himself knew he wasnt fit for the job, but he still did it and he never gave up. will always dislike blizzard for this, garrosh is the real hero of this story

[@RandyOrlok]

and that is all due to thralls pro-frostwolf behavior, promoting some shitty idea of equality and the values of one clan, destroying orcish individualism, letting clans such as the shattered hand vanish into an all race organisation for assassins, who don't even follow the hand cutting tradition truly if not for the traitors and petty leaders who think they must be equals to the warchief, garrosh wouldnt fall and the horde would be done with the alliance for good now

[@warduckdathremar3055]

warchief ultradeath conan barbarian terminator.... this

[@turicaederynmab5343]

I feel like if Garrosh was warchief Varians head would be on a golden platter, but seriously Garrosh had the drive and potential to rule the fucking world, I'm glad he's dead, IMHO, I wouldn't like to live I a world ruled by some Hitleresque master-race of orcs and their crazed dictator.

[@AlpineDark]

Tommy J 99% of Azeroth agrees with you, which is why they united against him. All these people who defend Garrosh don't even acknowledge what he did to Alexstraza and the red dragon flight.

[@warduckdathremar3055]

AlpineDark that wasnt garrosh, that was the dragonmaw clan

[@bindair_dundat]

The problem with "untold stories" is that they will never be finished. In Cata we had many interesting stories that were never touched again, not even in books. And that is supposed to be our "main" world. Magatha Grimtotem gaining the powerful tauren artifacts and disappearing. Neptulon being dragged to Azshara by the Kraken. Koltira being dragged to the Undercity on Sylvanas' orders. Everything about N'Zoth who is said to have been using Deathwing. Everything about the Zandalaari. Everything about the Elemental Planes still being on Azeroth without Lords.

[@bindair_dundat]

Thassarian was last seen going after Sylvanas to learn more about where Koltira was dragged to (Andorhal quests). I don't know much about Greymane, but an uprising would be a good thing. I hate his traitorous guts, and he doesn't deserve to be leader in the Alliance after leaving them years ago.

[@Caedus696]

Dear lord no we have seen enough of the fucking trolls, for one expansion can we not have a patch dedicated to them?

[@cantfindaname123421]

The neptulon and N'zoth parts will with certainty be touched upon in a later expansion.. I'm sure we will see what's happened with Koltira once they wanna touch on sylvanas again.. PATIENCE

[@bindair_dundat]

cantfindaname123421 They daren't touch Sylvanas because of her fanbase. Everybody hated Garrosh, Sylvanas on the other hand is likeable. Apart from the "protagonist duo" (Thrall and Varian), she is one of the few leaders with personality. Unlike, say, Tyrande or Baine. They are afraid of continuing the Neptulon/N'zoth story because the reception to the underwater zone was very bad. Most players hated it. That was the reason they abandoned the idea of Abyssal Maw (raid). Yep, they intended for 4.2 to have the two remaining Elemental Planes as two raids. Both with about 7 bosses with Fire+Water themes. And once they learned that players hated being underwater, they scrapped the underwater raid and focused on the outisde zone of Firelands. That is why that major patch only got 7 bosses. That is why that stupid daily quest tree was implemented to replace content they had to remove. Patience has nothing to do with these. They go for sales, and if something doesn't sell, they will abandon that idea and go for something else. I'm pretty sure they didn't know they were going to go to alternate past Draenor when they did the Cataclysm quests.

[@cantfindaname123421]

Bindair Dundat I love how you spent 90% of this comment misunderstanding what I said, and telling me what I already know. "Touching" Sylvanas or "continuing her story" does not directly translate into her getting total evil and we kill her off - there are a billion things they could do to her story without her being killed. Also, they can do stuff about Neptulon and especially N'zoth without underwater being required

[@cosminbalan9325]

Great video Nobbel as always you deliver. Though I have a few gripes with the Thrall Garrosh fight. Visual wise it was great, just look at that grass. But narrative wise it feels like them walking out on it. Oh all this is Thrall's fault, he stirred Garrosh in this direction? Nope it was his own destiny. That moment is terrible, it is a terrible excuse and Thrall does not even pause a bit he just flat out says it is only Garrosh's fault. And whose ideas was to give Thrall burning red eyes? He looks like a demon, and the music does not help. Neither does Aggra's emotionless voice. Though if Shaman powers are ok to use, what was the point of Thrall not going full Avatar the last airbender on Garrosh's ass in the first place. It's not like he could not just immobilize Garrosh. It would have been easy to use too. Lastly that hand seems like some kind of foreshadowing. The cinematic ends only after Thrall leaves and Garrosh's hand comes out. Personally I would rather they just finish Garrosh here, they have destroyed him enough with MoP and War Crimes.

[@cooltv2776]

he does die there, you can go there and see him still in the rock (you can see it in the video) I think thrall wanted to honor the mak'gora rules and actually fight garrosh, but then realized that in a fight to the death, you do whatever it takes his eyes being red was probably a result of the fury burning within him. or that just happens to shaman who use fire/lava and you dont see it on characters because blizzard is to lazy to do that

[@Kaloth_kouhai]

He couldn't fight him in the final raid for MoP. in SoO it is said that the darm shamen twisted the elements for miles around. Thrall couldn't tap into that power because of those dark shamen. I thought this was an amazing cinematic. I believe that Thrall won fair and square.

[@cosminbalan9325]

Alex Gregory I know what they wanted to do, it would have worked if Thrall said instead of it's your own fault Garrosh, I know at the end of that. But instead Thrall despite succumbing to fury, despite kinda cheating in a duel of Honor is still the absolute good guy. Which just keeps Thrall stale as hell.

[@cosminbalan9325]

RoTTeNbAx I meant why did he not do his Shaman thing at the beginning of this cinematic. Boom fire wind earth and water, Garrosh insta dead. And I don't really think Thrall won fair and square. If this duel was about using everything you got, including magic. Then how would a warrior win at it? Something that their culture reinforces is physical power, so I don't think magic is allowed.

[@cooltv2776]

Cosmin Balan garrosh would have stood a chance if thrall was a normal shaman, not the most powerful shaman ever

[@TheCheezCo]

I wonder who is looking after Thralls children... I think it must be someone that Thrall really trusts like Eitrigg or Saurfang

[@Usagi33353]

or Vol'jin

[@MrAdamAnty]

***** or Challe

[@TheSquareheadgamer]

***** I'd hope Vol'jin was busy with Horde things not babysitting. Then again his current achievements in charge has been sending tonnes of Shadow Hunter to Dreanor and telling me i'm great after building a large base....

[@MrAdamAnty]

Tosy Woah, are you not a fan of Green Jesus?!

[@luihmis]

aren's this events like 5 years after soo? like in every other exp? the kids are probably like 3-4 yo, they may be learning about orcish culture from saurfang and others.

[@princeveggie]

Nobbel the thing is not that Thrall cheated because he used his shamanistic powers. I mean Warrior is allowed to use his muscles so a shaman is allowed to use the elements. But, the thing is HOW Thrall used them. You are not allowed to kill an enemy who can't defend himself anymore. It is okay when you take him down and execute him after this. But you will lose your damn honor when you just hit the emergency button and let a giant earth hand grab your foe to kill him with a lightning bolt. That was an attack that Garrosh wasn't able to counter. Even in real battle out of Makgora an Orc will lose his honor when he kills an unarmed enemy. But well still after meeting his wild homeworld and his badass father Thrall is still a douche and more filthy human than an honorable Orc. And as we all know: In reality and in the World of Warcraft humanity sucks...

[@princeveggie]

Sorry can't resist to add. Garrosh is so right with what he says. Thrall be Man-Orc and accept that you made an effin mistake and not just say "No you did it at your own!"... Fuck you Thrall... I hate you... so much...

[@SynestriaVI]

Generally in Mak'gora (at least, according to WoWwiki so take it as you will), once a weapon is abandoned (in this case tossed aside) the combatant can no longer use that weapon. Garrosh throwing Gorehowl was probably one of his biggest mistakes as he easily could have won had he not tossed it aside. So I'm not sure how an Orc can lose his honor when Mak'gora can easily end in death, and rules like that exist? Though I guess it could easily just be one of those unspoken things that everyone just kind of knows and no one talks about. And this is coming from someone who absolutely hates Garrosh.

[@princeveggie]

The thing with the weapon is right. And both were unarmed so it was fair. But, Garrosh can't even move... That is against the rules.

[@buldren0101]

I didn't like Garrosh back in Wrath because he became a huge douchebag with way too much pride. But his story in Cata was actually pretty good, he did a kick-ass job as the Warchief, he gave his people new resources even though that involved invading Azshara and Ashenvale (but this was due to the Night Elfs refusing diplomacy after the Twilight's Hammer framed the Horde for the druid ambush), he did not allow meaningless slaughter of innocent people like the questline in Stonetalon Mountains, he fought with the heroes in Twilight Highlands. He got some huge character development in the positive direction, but the other leaders were mostly insubordinate. And then... Blizzard fucked up with his character development with the Theramore bombing and MoP. They made him go mad with pride and power... AKA they pulled a typical "Blizzard needs a new raid boss villain!" The novel War Crimes did a somewhat decent job with wrapping up Garrosh's story with the Celestials saying he wouldn't be put to death... until Blizzard makes him break free to once again be a villain in WoD. And now this. I'm disgusted with how Blizzard wrote his end with this shitty one-sided duel. And it's made me lose respect for Thrall. Not only does Thrall essentially cheat since he used more than one weapon (Doomhammer and his Shaman powers) and wore more armor, the dialogue from Thrall is pathetic. Garrosh is right, Thrall left him to pick up the pieces of a breaking Horde after Icecrown, Thrall put him in that position when he didn't really want it, Thrall did fail him. And while Garrosh isn't 100% right that Thrall made him the way he was because he does have his own responsibility to own up to, Thrall's response is completely childish. He completely deflected the blame and tried to come across as the good guy while killing a helpless Garrosh. And just the fact that Thrall even wanted the duel to the death to kill Garrosh kinda goes against Thrall's character. Yes Garrosh failed the Horde (due to shitty writing IMO), but so did his father Grom back in the third war. Grom attacked and murdered humans despite Thrall telling him not to. Grom doomed the Warsong Clan by redrinking the blood of Mannoroth, and murdered the Night Elves and Cenarius (that is, until Cenarius came back in Cata), Grom invoked the invasion of Kalimdor by the Burning Legion and this would of course have meant the end of Azeroth. And yet despite all this, Thrall still spares him and purges the demonic influence from Grom and regards Grom as a hero for sacrificing himself to kill Mannoroth. But when it comes to his own son who the Celestials decreed should not be die, Thrall just says fuck it and takes the easy way out of punishing Garrosh rather than re-imprisoning him or teaching him from his character flaws. Good job, Blizzard... good fucking job...

[@christianweibrecht6555]

the horde was in a fantastic state when thrall left I don't count any lore after catalysm as good this game should of been ended with dignity like futurama

[@noodlespoo]

I really hated the addition of Aggra in Cata. I think Blizzard missed a huge opportunity for an awesome story and a continuation of sorts of TFT's Durotar campaign. I am, of course, talking about the Thrall - Jaina relationship. Let me explain. In Founding of Durotar, Thrall gave Jaina the benefit of the doubt, didn't kill her soldiers and let her help cleaning her family's mess. Jaina acted very honorably - even though Daelin was her father, she did was had to be done. So they parted on good terms. Right after the Theramore bombing was a perfect opportunity for Jaina to repay in kind. Thrall could've approached her as an old friend and told her that #NotAllHorde and that revolution is already brewing against Garrosh. It would be her turn to give *him* the benefit of the doubt, maybe even go with him to Durotar later and help the Darkspear revolution (which could've been also transformed into a good reason for a full-fledged Alliance involvement in patch 5.3). And, of course, along the road, they would begin to "know each other better". By doing this, they could've made a very high quality romance. An epic tale of inter-factional, interracial friendship and love. And, of course, saved Jaina in the process from transforming into a hysterical warmonger, when she started off as the thinking, logical voice of reason for the Alliance. And in the end, what we have is an awesome character completely ruined, a tacked-on romance and a lot of good juicy fanfic material. Too bad I can't write for shit :(

[@user-ob4kn3rp3j]

I agree. I was really surprised when they added Aggra in. Then told us that she's Thrall's mate and that's that (I know there's a book but come on...). They really dropped the ball on the Thrall - Jaina relationship in my opinion. It was brewing for expansions. At least if they didn't want them to be involved, a solid friendship still in place would have been decent as well.

[@iantaylor7158]

Love your Videos - keep them coming !

[@Karshilistics]

Every time I open one of your videos I say "Heeeelo everyone" I love your content (TWSS)

[@Magician12345]

and technically in the book cataclysm they said that also the first person to loose their weapon in a mak'gora should loose and we saw garrosh chuck garrosh at thrall.

[@oluftheexplorer9476]

Thrall still looked at the weapon, confused.

[@TheAlkenphel007]

i hate this story line i loved garrosh story

[@SirNarax]

The cinematic left me with the question of "How effective is the weapon Doomhammer", Thrall hit Garrosh three times in the head with the weapon to no effect.

[@javelinmaster2]

Remember, Garrosh is a raid boss after all xd

[@j.fernandomartinez.a.9548]

Thrall doesn’t rely on strength

[@fastee]

And welcome to nagrand... Slam

[@AzzaTylee]

Such an awesome cinematic.

[@aoru12369]

My opinion is that Thrall /did/ make Garrosh what he is (was)

[@matsen1153]

Terarex yes. thrall was very much guilty for killing his protégé. at that moment, he just didn't wanna talk about it, so he claims that Garrosh chose his own destiny

[@inventgineer]

I don't know how you can say the cinematic was beautiful, at least not relative to what Blizzard has shown us they are capable of. Was it wonderfully choreographed? YES. Was the dialogue fantastic? YES. Soooo.....especially given this is one of the most crucial turning points in the lore........whhhhy, exactly, did they use cheap cop-out in-game models rather than create a really visually stunning cinematic like they did for the death(s, because apparently lore doesn't have to make sense) of Manneroth? I felt like we as the fans deserved for one of the biggest moments in storyline, which had been multiple expansion packs in coming, to not be done so half-assed just to save time and money -_-

[@adrim4728]

+Kevin Sugia You clearly have no idea how much those cinematics cost.

[@inventgineer]

Brahstream X You clearly have no idea of Blizzard profit margins. Don't betray your comrades, the players, getting unfairly and unnecessarily shafted.

[@martecoronel]

Oh, that Vel'Koz at 20'.

[@Gab9X7]

Great video, as always, Nobbel! As for requests: I can't find a video that fully explains Arthas' story from the beginning to the Fall of the Lich King. Also, the whole story on the being that is the Lich King would be amazing. Lastly, a video on the full story between Garrosh and Thrall. Cheers from Italy mate! :)

[@CallMeNoa]

Baron Samedi is a real-world Loa in the real-world Vodou religion. They probably replaced him with Bwonsamdi after they made the RPGs non-canon in order to avoid offending any practicers of Vodou.

[@lanesmith8438]

"Uncle Vol'jin!"

[@adyenlichtwachter6684]

"We have learned much from K'WOOWOOAOROAWOROAWOARE, except, yanno... its name...."

[@TheShindomaru]

Cho'Gal: "We've learned much from KOOWAREEEY" Gul'Dan: "Seriously?"

[@josephstokes6189]

SPOILER ALERT Azuka dies at the end of the Garrison Campaign questline at the gates of Tanaan.

[@aleksandarvil5718]

5:20 Azuka Bladefury: *"You Are Not Worthy of Our Clan!" Lantressor of The Blade: **UNO REVERSE CARD 🔁**

[@Naxthural]

Personally. If Garrosh actually did kill Thrall. That would of been THE BEST conclusion to Thrall's story. The last thing Thrall seeing and hearing his Garrosh raising Gorehowl yelling "YOU... FAILED... ME!" Now THAT would of been an impact!

[@LordFakeGodz]

i will just put it here (nobody will read it whatsoever) First of all, Thrall HAVE TO FUCKING SAVE THE WORLD IN CATACLYSM(controlling maelstrom,Dragon Soul,etc), so he choose Garosh to became Warchief of horde because he knowledge his skill, his leadership, and its his BEST FRIEND son. Secondly, Caine and Voljin did not want to become the Warchief, but they both along with Lor'themar(Belf) and Sylvanas(undead) did agree to make Garosh the warchief(or even dont give a shit). [See MoP ending "choosing" a warchief need approval, they all did agree to make voljin the warchief(or even dont give a shit)] Secondly, GAROSH did FAILED Thrall, Thrall put his trust on him to become the warchief and lead the horde... well... Garosh didnt do a good job... or rather, he abuse this posisition to do whatever he want with the horde, civil war everywhere. Thirdly, GAROSH made a lot of crimes (Using nukes,Stealing Vale of Eternal Blossoms,Using the power of Old Gods,AND TAKES FULL CONTROL OF OGRIMMAR,ALTERING REALITY,etc) Forthly, About the battle between Thrall AND Garosh, i dont really know what is it with the orc custom about a battle between orcs, BUT, i am really sure they need to FIGHT EACH OTHER UNTIL DEATH WITH THEY FULL STRENGTH, Garosh is a warrior(or whatever) so he fight with Physical, and Thrall is a Shaman(or whatever) so he fight with Magical, both fighting with their own power so its a fair and square battle.period. [or are you saying a battle between a warrior and a mage have to be settled with swordfight? in arena? or in 1v1? gimme a break! FIGHT WITH YOUR OWN STRENGHT EITHER PHYSICAL OR MAGICAL] And the fifth and the final, Garosh did choose his own destiny, he did all of those shit by his own fucking WILL, so justice is served! he died. fuck that dude. sorry for the bad english :( if you read this you're awesome

[@connor_obrady]

Also, from playing this expansion, how I see the stories, what races you should play that make sense RP wise- Frostfire Ridge - Orc Shadowmoon Valley - Draenei Gorgrond/Alliance - Dwarf or Gnome Gorgrond/Horde - Troll or Goblin Talador/Alliance - Night Elf or Draenei Talador/Horde - Tauren or Blood Elf Spires of Arak/Alliance - Worgen or Pandaren Spires of Arak/Horde - Undead or Pandaren Nagrand/Alliance - Draenei Nagrand/Horde - Orc You guys like the idea?

[@datemasamune2904]

Hard to believe that this was the same Garrosh who was hesitant about leading his own clan. And in the case of Mak'Gora. There isn't any actual ruling on how this works out. Before the duel, they themselves decide the conditions that are to be met. Garrosh didn't say "No magic", so it's basically legal.

[@Wrex90]

No it is not. There is a ruleset to Mak'gora and Thrall did cheat. As described in The Shattering, Bloodsworn and Blood and Thunder the rules for Mak'gora are: Each participant is allowed one weapon. A blessing of this weapon by a shaman of their choosing is permitted, but not required. Body armor is forbidden. Each participant must have at least one witness. If both participants refuse to fight one another, they are banished from the clan. Traditionally, it is to the death, but under Warchief Thrall's rule it became a non-lethal combat, similiar to Warsong's Mak'Rogahn. Participants can choose to forgo this change. However, even when operating under the old rules, the victor can choose to spare the loser's life, though it's considered a grave insult.

[@datemasamune2904]

Synetic Prime I was under the impression that they were the ones who chose those rules for their match.

[@gainsngoblins]

+Synetic Prime But Thrall didn't cheat. No where in the Mak'gora does it state that Shaman magic couldn't be used. Even to the point that weapons could be blessed by Shaman magic. Plus, in The Shattering, Cairne only states his term of the rules. Plus, you quote Bloodsworn, but in Bloodsworn, when Ashra and Shagara fight, they both use magic (note that Shagara used Shaman magic, as Thrall did). Plus, I don't understand why you quote Blood and Thunder, because that comic doesn't even state any rules for Mak'gora at all, so it's completely irrelevant to this topic.

[@GELSPRG]

Oh my... Imagine Vol'jin babysitting two baby orcs!? Hahaha I would LOVE to see them act all tough in Orgrimmar with their uncle Vol'jin! :D Haha even better would be if Sylvanas and Lor'themar moved to OG as well and are helping raise Thrall's kids! :D Vol'jin teaches them to be nice and stuff, Sylvanas teaches them to shoot and do crazy pranks and Lor'themar tells them: "Do NOT touch the HAIR!"

[@mr.strider6497]

I want to see Vol'Jin on babysitting duty. Trying to coddle a newborn while Thrall Jr. tears about the house like a lunatic. "Please, Vol'jin, look afta da children, Vol'Jin. I know you da' Warchief, Vol'Jin, but I gotsa' go help mah husband, Vol'Jin... *grumble grumble*"

[@cheetahsdimples-1]

Nobbel....I would like to say I have been playing World of Warcraft since 2005 and quit in 2012 due to financial problems and i would like to get back to it. You have enlightened me so much that I want to really get back into the game which means i would have to purchase Warlords of Draenor and then the Dark Legion. Your videos are some of the Greatest and i have seen some not so good....PLEASE......PLEASE ... PLEASE Keep the videos coming I Love them so much, You are very talented and your story lines are complete to me....Thank You so much.

[@bach0r]

It's not first Mak'gora between Thrall and Garrosh and it's not first time Thrall used his shamanistic powers. btw. Vol'jin babysitting ftw!

[@KingofCabal]

Lore is just lacking at this point I have to say. The cool thing about Warcraft was always, for me anyway, that the struggle is really hard and sometimes the bad guys do win. The IRON HORDE is more like the THE ALUMINUM HORDE if you ask me...

[@Meuduso1]

( with Vol'jins accent): Fall a sleep, fall a sleep little baby Thrall. No, dont eat that snail! And you please stop with the elemental powers! I dont want more dirt in my face! What I wanna day is that it would be EPIC to see Vol'Jin with the two babys or with a "babybackpack"! I WANT TO SEE THIS!!! XD

[@Biouke]

"You face not General alone, but the legions I command!" Malchezaar is a time-traveling player in disguise, CQFD. HL3 comfirmed B)

[@MRD8705]

So with garrosh's body just being there so un Garrosh Hellscream become a Guldan Deathknight??? Kappa

[@theedboy5406]

I don't know, I just preferred if the player killed Garrosh, it just, everyone took on the Lich King, Kil Jaeden, and yet Garrosh with his Bare Fists take us down despite our strength, and suddenly Green Jesus waltz and just...Poof!... Damn I am ranting.

[@LotN2]

Epic end cinematic. I would like to have more great Death Knights back in the lore. The Lich King was just so epic, so epic, that I dont have any words for how epic The Lich King was. Arthas (and I did WC3 single player many times) was weak in the mind, always eager to rule, to out-do his father (or as he said himself, "succeed" his father), therefore easily seduced by the dark side. And even more epic was Yogg-Saron. We need more Faceless Terrors and old gods! Not to talk about the Fallen Titan who lurks in the Twisting Nether, probably conjuring a swarm of Felguards, Imps, Infernals and Doomguards.

[@apjaxonetrick3130]

OH SNAP birthday video on my favorite zone ever?!/?/1?!/1?!/?! tanks