The Story of the Afterlife & Who touched Vol'jin's spirit?! [Lore]

[@swegswoogity2297]

ok voljin tell me on this voodoo doll where the spirit touched you

[@user-lydia698]

LOL!!!!

[@serge2cool]

Does that mean he'll end up getting touched again if he says where? Loooool

[@EloquentTroll]

Dey touched me on mah broken tusk mon, it be very sensitive.

[@lilbirdmuse8938]

Vol'jin: Did you bring me back? Various rulers of death: No, stop caling us.

[@z3yjIn]

"I wanted to dive in the afterlife for a long time now." Yea Nobbel I'm also depressiv sometimes , don't give in!

[@xneffenx]

“Until Varian was disenchanted” Too soon

[@andreware2039]

It's been long enough 😔

[@antarath517]

He sold for a lot on the AH This is where the Legion gets funding

[@G3orge88]

D=

[@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123]

Lol Varian was disenchanted, I think the result are 20x fel imbued strange dust :p

[@jonathanli7828]

Do a second part once more information comes out. I'm dying to know more about my home boi Vol' Jin.

[@metaknight281]

ye strongly agree. I want to know more about Vol'jin, especially as an alliance player who does not get any information :p

[@DaRealAnti]

What if Vol'Jin is going thru the process of becoming a Loa?

[@FrVitoBe]

loa for warchief!

[@merikmalhads1676]

Remember that Varimathras already knew about her plan to take the throne of warchief when he taunts the horde. He has been out of the plans since Icecrown so this deal with a higher power could have been made long before the lich king fell and might have some other party that we didn't know about in the background since the events of the wrathgate

[@Robin...222]

Nah blizzard isnt planning things so long ahead

[@merikmalhads1676]

@@Robin...222 It's unlikely that they planned it they just likely added it as they moved into legion but canonically it means Slyv still planned that far back

[@Robin...222]

@@merikmalhads1676 yes

[@Shinymold]

It definitely sounds like the Old Gods had their hand in naming Sylvanas the warchief, but that's something we've been speculating on since it happened. What I'm more interested in is this 'other force' that brought Vol'jin back. Honestly I think it comes down to Elune. We don't know much about her, but she's the only power that's neutral to both factions capable of essentially raising someone's spirit to that of a loa (aka a Wild God). Maybe Blizz will add something further to the story that we couldn't possibly know at this point, but Elune is my best guess as of right now.

[@joshuadeakins2929]

Is she neutral though? I mean she gave Tyrande crazy moon powers to smack some horde? soo

[@TheTheschuhschuh]

@@joshuadeakins2929 I'd argue that she gave Tyrande those powers to seek revenge on those who fight against life, as it was phrased in the burning of Teldrassil cutscene. She had not shown rage against the horde at all before, this rage goes against Sylvanas and her plans, not against the horde in general. That being said, I doubt it's Elune who touched Vol'Jin. Kind of seems far-fetched and I don't know why Elune would want Vol'Jin. But we will see.

[@scarletsblood8510]

When Gul'dan (The Gorrosh Draenor one) was about to betray the legion it was his fear that the champions of Azeroth while unified were to strong of an opponent after just seeing their efforts on Draenor. Nzoth (He's been awake for millennia) has witnessed the defeat of the other Old Gods, the Burning Legion (repeatedly), Scourge and all other manner of gods, demi gods and demons. When your trying to take over the world yourself and never planning on letting Sylvanas living long enough to complete her own plans. Is she not a great tool for creating huge internal and external fraction unrest. While the Alliance are busy fighting her and other god like creatures are trying to mitigate her disruptions of the balance. Its probably the best time for one of Azeroths oldest enemies to make a play. The other force helping Vol'jin I'm guessing it might be Azeroth herself trying to help. We know the Nzoth is around whether its his own plan or he's using the distracted fractions to his advantage. Either way if anything could tell if an Old Gods awake and beginning to get involved its the planet they inhabit/leech off.

[@Zoggosh]

poker night with eyir bwonsamdi and the lich king? how do I get in on that?

[@RodoMars]

you have to become some kind of god of death like them mate. it will be a fun poker game

[@jjduc105]

I'm a simple man, I see Arthas in the the thumbnail, I click the video.

[@daniellejordaan8838]

Jonah Duclos same

[@daetries168]

Always the best World of Warcraft lore content!

[@steedgar]

Love Nobbel's videos, Just tells the story so well. Interested to see where we are going to go for the rest of BFA but looking forward to the old god stuff.

[@giovannibonfiglio9243]

I know it’s not your style, but I’d love to hear what your ideal future for WoW is - from a lore standpoint. How you’d have written BfA and how you want it to end/build up the next expansion. I think it’s safe to say you’re more aware of the lore than blizzard is (at certain points) Wowhead did a recent piece on dragons that I found pretty interesting as a next expansion.

[@moonrazor2039]

''Who touched Vol'jin's spirit?! '' Nobbel pls phrasing.

[@xneffenx]

The better question is did he give consent

[@cripplious]

The fact hes free of Bwomsamdi. Ill bet he doesn't care

[@davidmcfall9169]

i would believe the Sargeras/Azeroth theory to be the best explanation to who did it all.

[@XxTeAmDaRkxX]

It's helya and odyn nobbel is dumb.

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

The Azeroth theory seems plausible, but the Sargeras one, I really doubt it. The Legion's story is over. It would be weird to bring them up again at this point in time.

[@onatyungul872]

@@user-uq4gr5nl5o Sargeras that defeated Void and The Titans who also builded a great crusade, gets defeated by everything combined... Perhaps it is the Void, doesn't old gods are part of the void? So maybe some Void entity which is not know by other void entities plans to consume Azeroth or make it its realm.. Got one even better: what if due to Sargeras' strike Azeroth itself has shattering personality issues (or gotten infected by void) so when actually Slyvanas was good she went mad due to Void corruption of Goddess of Death??

[@amitamaru]

I get that the video was long enough as is, but there is a category of afterlife you missed. Areas in the physical realm that have been blessed in some matter to serve as a haven for the spirits of the dead, like the Orc sacred mountain or Draenei's Auchindoun.

[@MrMhtmht]

I had never heard of Bradford Bridenbecker, as I always played Horde since Vanilla. Now reading about it, his brother is FUCKING HONORABLE putting him inside the game back then.

[@Starfals]

Yet another interesting video, good work Nobbel. Its a cool topic for a video, glad you aint running out of ideas just yet ;p

[@nobledonkey17]

The greatest question of all 22:47 "who touched vol'jin"

[@Manstermash]

Perfect wind down video. Keep up the good work Nobbel.

[@TheWOWLOTR]

"Varien came back to rock on until he got disenchanted." that literally had me dying lmao

[@baileygregg6567]

"until he got disenchanted" and then I start to laugh inappropriately because I am Horde.

[@asadzaheer3139]

i am both and i still laughed!

[@helen-mariedesigner534]

Nobbel: "Until Varian was disenchanted." Me: (still upset) What the Hell, Nobbel?! 😭

[@Carson_Van_McUber]

So if Varian was disenchanted would Gul'dan have gotten a soul shard out of it or just a bunch of dust?

[@enlightendbel]

The pile looked like dust.

[@blaysertv6871]

Strange Dust

[@tallgnome5601]

dont say such thing man :'(

[@russhurst6730]

Obviously dude was given dust man.

[@marshmelows]

Amazing video, thank you for the knowledge :D

[@thomasdr08]

I simply do not enjoy playing WoW anymore, but I thoroughly enjoy watching the story play out.

[@Greenwalrusman]

I wish I could enjoy the story, It just annoys me now though, I just feel like Sylvanas is just Garrosh 2.0.

[@James11111]

That's why I kept falling out of it. You always had to be max level to enjoy the actual cool main story stuff and I've never been able to get all the way there.

[@stevenyandell5437]

Next, the officer asked, "Where did the mean Old God touch you?"

[@kyleganse4978]

I feel this whole tyranda and night warrior transformation. Along with shadow hunter concept for voljin returning will be Elune. This will lead to next class being something akin to shadow hunter/warden/elune lore. Could be interesting especially since elune is open ended other then her association with the moon. I really hope they reveal who empowered voljin and what he is 8.2 then in 8.3 it is revealed who wanted sylvanus as horde warchief.

[@Skollshorties]

That's a bad touch, that's a very bad touch! ...Okay well it did bring Vol'jinny back to us.

[@jester8298]

Hey Nobbel but could Vol'jon become the next LOA of Kings/ LOA of the troll royalty bloodline to replace Rezan/Bwomsamdi?

[@mfsalatino]

Vol'jon the loa of marihuana

[@JamesW609]

@@mfsalatino i can get behind that

[@Nobbel87]

It's possible I suppose, he does show up at the Talanji coronation but then again he has been showing up a lot for her.

[@kelmacett2456]

@@Nobbel87 I cant but help thinking that Bwomsamdi isnt on the Horde side tho. He is clearly on "his" side. On your video if Azeroth is Vol'Jins imbue-er and Sargeras is Vol'Jins whisperer, then who is Bwomsamdi's Boss? What we do know is that his boss would be angry when he/she finds out Bwomsamdi lost Vol'Jins spirit. Meaning Bwomsamdi's Boss cannot be Vol'Jins imbue-er (Azeroth). Also when Rezan asked Bwomsamdi return Rastakhan's spirit, their interaction (Rezan treats him like trash) and Bwomsamdi's response to Rezan was very telling (even kings gotta die) and prophetic but not because Rastakhan was going to die as he was already dead but because Rezan was going to die and be replaced as the Loa Of Kings. I think Bwomsamdi "has sold his soul to his Boss" so to speak so that he could rise from the Loa of Graves to become the Loa of Kings. His Boss is being countered by Vol'Jins imbue-er and whisperer, hence why the imbue-er shuts out Bwomsamdi and Bwomsamdi offers a hit on Sylvanas. Anyways just some thoughts, love your vids.

[@EloquentTroll]

@@Nobbel87 Talanji has been pledged to Bwonsamdi, maybe Vol'Jin (a life long servant of Bwonsamdi) is a somewhat friendly face to ease her into Bwonsamdi's service, as his last act of service to his old Loa before he takes up his own portfolio, even if he doesn't know it (and Bwonsamdi doesn't know it either). Bwonsamdi gets a more amenable queen, Talanji gets some help accepting her new patron and a helpful reminder that she is very good at being a Priestess of the Loa and symbol of hope for her people, and Vol'Jin gets some clues about his new role in reality. Everyone wins for certain values of win.

[@Burred11]

"I've been meaning to take a deep dive into the afterlife"... Please don't die.

[@nab-rk4ob]

You never disappoint.

[@joecheatham3961]

Maybe helya is responsible for Sylvanas and her power using Sylvanas as a host of sorts and wanting her to wage war in order to build up a massive army to face off against Odin

[@garpogods8323]

Would explain her deal, but didnt that happen after she was made Warchief?

[@HavocHounds1988]

I personally believe it was Helya. I think she knew about Sylvanas' plight with avoiding death due to the Valkyr. I believe she wanted Sylvanas to find her way to Stormheim to learn of Eyir, that way she would find her way to Helya. Helya wants her to be desperate enough that she'll stop at nothing to stave off death. And once she is at the point Helya will give her the ultimate bargain.

[@garpogods8323]

@@HavocHounds1988 Could be a good reason, but this hinges on the idea Hela knew Genn would break the lamp that binded the queen Valkyr.

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@garpogods8323 Or Helya knew something about Eyir that she wasn't telling Sylvanas. Maybe the lantern wouldn't have actually bound her. Or it is possible she knew Genn was pursuing her and would stop her. Helya might have some foresight abilities, hard to say.

[@garpogods8323]

@@HavocHounds1988 wouldve been useful before rebelling against Odyn. Again though, if they do go down that route, they can explain it that way.

[@Nethrezar]

I think Sargeras told Vol'jin to name Sylvanas as warchief, and that this was his TRUE plan all along. He used the most recent invasion in Legion as a distraction (you don't really think the most powerful Titan of them all would order another direct Legion invasion of Azeroth after the first one 10,000 years ago failed?) to cover up making Sylvanas into an unwitting pawn, knowing that she wished to kill all life on Azeroth (just like him). But it was Azeroth herself that brought Vol'jin's spirit back, to undo the plan that Sargeras set in motion.

[@Nethrezar]

@John Arch I think we're witnessing a 3-way cosmic war between those who wish to kill all life, those who wish to corrupt and consume it, and those who wish to protect it.

[@AgentVamp]

What if... we temporarily align with the old god Yogg'Saron, since he is the "God of Death"?

[@darkgamer-vf4yu]

Ye you got a point

[@gvembos]

Hey Nobbel I was doing a quest I picked up in Drustvar in Snowmelt Foothills and there's a red dragon named Zallestrasza and she has dialogue about the Deathknight mount questline and the achievement you got by killing all the whelps, didn't know if you knew just thought I'd let you know

[@iripikis4375]

So I've never heard of the story/quest of Bridenbrad. It's a really beautiful tribute blizzard created there regarding putting all the powerful forces into the quest to help out and the beautiful ending and now I'm emotional over this. My day's done, I'm crying in the corner. bye

[@rcshaggy]

I think Vol'jin should be a Loa... Then Talanji can have a different allegiance and Rokhan could take over for the Darkspear Tribe...

[@chelseys5192]

The googly eye made my day

[@seankkg]

Ah, the Legion intro cutscenes, where they clearly made Sylvanas actually care about the Horde even when she was alone.

[@sasko123456789]

Does anyone know since when does the Lich King care about the balance of things? I guess since Blovar, he is nicer and all. But you would think that conflict and death is something he would approve. Unless he doesn't want Sylvanas to have a bigger undead army than him.That's the only "balance of power" that makes sense to me at least. If anyone has more info or some ideas, would greatly appreciate it.

[@jeffreyarnold2626]

been thinking. blizz may be planning to expand on the powers that be. that map thing which shows how our universe is set up. maybe actual prime gods that control all of creation.

[@greymanjones5559]

The saronite that touched Sylvanas and the fact that yogg-saron had manipulated Loken from within his prison before leads me to believe that Sylvanas might maybe not be directly under their influence but possibly that connection to the saronite has revealed what she is capable of doing once she would lead the horde and making the alliance and horde fight harder than before would fit nicely into the plans of the old gods, if you ask me. Any enemy that would benefit from such a ruthless leader of the horde might be considered, honestly. But this would make sense with her near death state while in contact with saronite.

[@claudeyaz]

Old god whispered. Azeroth brought back

[@paytondelaney8316]

I have a theory. What if some how Garrosh became a spirit and told Vol’jin to pick her. How he decame a spirit and why he came up with the plan? I don’t know, but it would make a good plot twist.

[@sriramramesh5318]

8:20 this image just makes me really happy XD

[@greyworld6242]

So what is the equivalent of heaven and hell in the warcraft universe? Maybe we’ll see that soon. Isn’t it sorta pointed out that what sylvanas saw has to do with the old gods or void lords? Is there possibly a supreme god of death in universe? Maybe something’s going to happen with light fused undead if that ever gets brought up again.

[@FancyTophatDude]

Probably, i mean i don't think we'll get a real "hell" i warcraft. We might see a realm of light and void and death, but i don't think that what sylvanas saw f.e. is something else. I mean i hope not, the lore surrounding all of this is already convoluted enough and feels like it's just waiting to be retconned. So yeah i hope the sylvanas hell thing is either gonna be a yogg saron thing or the actual shadowrealm and she made a deal with whoever is behind all of death. Man lore surrounding these forces still just makes no sense. Apoarently all titans are aligned with arcane, but there are clear exceptions there with life and death and fel fitting certain titans way better. Than there's the question of what the hell void lords actually are and if there's an equivalent for them for each force? Just so many questions...

[@ainsleyharriot6060]

The closest thing to Hell in WoW is the Nether or either the Shadowlands

[@Gekk0e]

Kinda like how different religions have a different perception of “heaven and hell” wow religions have different thoughts on that too With the literal comparison of a floating kingdom in the sky where you get eternal health and strength rivaling against an underwater world that’s legit called “hellheim” I think its safe to say a lot of different heavens and hells are across azeroth

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@FancyTophatDude I have a theory that the master of death is Xibala. Rezan's mother. It's been stated in Shadows of the Horde that the Loa watched Azeroth form, and if they were around before the planet even was created then they are connected to more than just the Trolls. Also Xibalba or something like that is the name of the Mayan underworld. I think Xibala is Bwonsamdi's boss. My only other thought on who could be behind the forces of death is Argus, the Titan of Death. And on your topic of the Titans, yes they are all aligned with the Arcane, but they also do seem to have certain powers they control other than Arcane, considering Eonar controls life, and Golganneth is a master of Storm and Sea. Norgannon is the only one that has specifically Arcane powers, with Aman'thul being close to the same, but mostly with Temporal magic. But he must have some powers of the Light, and also Storm since both of his keepers can use the light, and also channel lightning.

[@MegaChickenfish]

20:15 "beyond my power to forge" but she CAN make val'kyr, spirits who walk the line between life and death. Beyond even a loa, so what on earth IS he now?! She called the positive force "the hand of valor", and it's distinguished from the one whispering to him. So we've probably got both a good and bad death spirit manipulating him. It could be that the "good spirit" of these two is also the one who gave the val'kyr their abilities (and possibly employed Bwansamdi). The sort of secret knowledge they'd rather keep from other mortals to avoid tipping the balance. Hah, just imagine if any old priest, paladin, shaman, or yokel with some engineering skills could resurrect anyone they wanted! The world would fall into chaos!

[@Depipro]

Hmm, Sylvanas is made warchief, then disappears on a personal quest in Stormheim, only to show up again at Helya's throne. Sylvanas and Helya are trying to outwit each other, but apart from that, I'd say Helya would be a credible source for the whispers to Vol'jin. Elevating him could be the work of Azeroth, or of Odyn, making it personal between him and Helya. On the other hand, Odyn seems a bit lazy for that sort of thing. Usually. ;)

[@TheValebk2]

I think we ll findout in few years that creature from the shadows that whispers in Vol'jin ear is acctualy Activison and the force that touch him with hand valor are small group of resitance inside Blizzard that will bring back Metzen aka Thrall to settle things right

[@TaimMasheen]

Nobbel always gets me inspired to play

[@Sparkly_Mew]

Have YOU added the subtitles ? or its automatic from youtube?;)

[@johnpacheco1810]

@Nobbel87 why can’t it be Helya that was the voice who suggested Sylvanas should be Warchief? We know the two of them were making some kind of deal and we still don’t know what it was. We know that whatever whispered to Voljin was dark and powerful and has pull in the afterlife. Maybe Sylvanas promised Helya more souls for her Vykrul in exchange for Helya’s letter of recommendation disguised as a Loa? This means that the Old Gods could still have a hand in things because they reside in deep elemental planes in Azeroth. They could be neighbors to Helya (who’s deep in the ocean, right?), meaning they could be whispering her to madness. No idea who brought her back though. I like the idea of Azeroth’s Titan Spirit.

[@cynicalnitro8416]

Find Calia Menethil. Whatever happened to her body and left her as neither undead nor living is the same one that did this to Vol'jin. Side note, I feel like Vol'jin is gonna become a new Loa... Loa of truth, justice, or retribution.

[@Anne231154]

So then the question is "who can create a loa?"

[@Gekk0e]

Loa of kings and queens? Loa of leaders? Loa or marijuana?

[@krel7160]

@@Anne231154 Da voodoo be workin' in mysterious ways, mon. Ya see?

[@permeus2nd]

0:56 every boss has to be killed at least twice (unless your a certain female Dragon then its more like 20 times) 16:34 ill laugh is we find out at some point that he died before he finished the sentence, were talking with Vol'jin ""wait what do you mean sylvanas is warchief?"" its what you said? vol'jin-""no i was telling her to go fetch me Thrall, damit did i die half way through my sentence? the lowa told me thrall and anduin would form a pact and save azeroth from something that was going to nearly kill her, it was all hazy something about a big fiery sword been held by a cloud thats really a man, but she thought i was making her warchief? she would make a terrible warchief odds are the first thing she would do is start a war when the planet needs saving""

[@PandoraNYC1]

I just finished a questline in which Bwonsamdi sends you to collect souls for him to use to 'pay a debt' he owes. To who or what would a Loa, especially of death, owe a debt?

[@iripikis4375]

probably to his master we dont know anything about so far. or a deal with someone that went bad for bwon

[@Roppie69]

Thank you, i really wanted to know this

[@takashikamiyama4607]

The most serious question is not who touched Vol'jin's spirit but where his spirit was touched.

[@stormstrider1990]

It could also be the Light that brought Vol'jin back. We now know trolls have a connection with the Light through Loa like Rezan. We also know the Light is an enemy of undeath (Calia Menethil aside), and Sylvanas is acting more like the Lich King each day. Whoever convinced Vol'jin to make Sylvanas warchief, must be into undeath, so the force that brought Vol'jin back must be connected to the Light somehow. Not to mention, Eyir said Vol'jin has been touched by valor, which also sounds like the Light.

[@Starfals]

I hope you never go to the afterlife Noble Nobbel ;p I will miss your videos greatly!

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

All things live, all things rot, all things die. The cycle spins and rotates everafter. - The Priests of Rathma.

[@Aethus]

Very interestin' topic, Nobbel. The Sargeras theory is very convincing. Makes me wonder if he was the main cause for her strange visions when she died back in Wrath. Also, another thing I was wondering, if her body was so durable that she needed to impale herself on a saronite spike, why the heck was Lord Godfrey able to kill her with one shot of his gun in Wrath? Did he have Saronite bullets or something?

[@Nobbel87]

That is a question for the ages.

[@Arhentir]

18:06 *BULL-MON* :D Baine rekt'd

[@papikx12]

where is the animation from at 22:39 with the 2 ladies talking ?

[@valc3849]

Given what we now know of the Light and the Naaru, I can't even imagine what Bridenbrad has been twisted and forced into.

[@Gekk0e]

Valerie C spoiler alert Bridenbrad whispered to Vol’jin

[@StereoDreams385]

I think its about that time for old Bolvar to do a little will twisting and bring Sylvanas and the Forsaken back into the Scourge

[@Gekk0e]

Eladio Flores actually make a chaotic-neutral character full on evil

[@kevc9936]

I think Elune is da one dat be feelin' up ole Vol'Jin.

[@dreadmore8819]

Personally I think it was Argus calling out through the portal that was open and who said that the whispers of "Windrunner" in Voljins head had to be Sylvanus Argus had already made contact with a different Windrunner sister and I'm guessing the psychic link didn't just go one way

[@ChouhouinNeko]

I saw not the old gods but the VOID LORDS whispered to vol'jin to name her. The Naaru touched vol'jin and made him a loa

[@temjinAMG]

Also amazing topic

[@Catknight4444]

My theory is that Sargeras did manipulate Vol'jin into making Sylvanas warchief, but not for the reasons people think. I think Azeroth and the other titans are evil or at very least plotting against us and Sargeras is about to get a redemption arc.

[@miguelfrancescohogar7501]

Now I want to see Bwonsamdi, Eyir, and The Lich King play poker

[@vojtechborak2069]

"Ol Bwonsamdi not been losing a spirit in... what spirit did he lose? and what happened to that spirit? Might it be that one spirit who influenced Vol´Jin or brought him back?

[@DaniM95]

I think Shylvannas chose herself as horde warchief and somehow managed to kill Vol'jin on the Broken Shore.

[@emilymusic2861]

“Until he got disenchanted” teehee Nobbel!

[@archtotem6505]

my guess from start was sylvanas her self wispered this to vol jin to name her warchief

[@Gekk0e]

Arch Totem she had Nathanos sit behind his throne and whisper in his ear with some goblin device that made him sound more shadowy “Vol’jin, you should totally elect Sylvanus next mon. She be real good mon.”

[@ghalatan]

Well, i could add my 5cents to this i think. Since Void freek out of Sylvanas its more posible to me that Void bring back Voljin to get rid of Sylvanas, in terms who wants Sylvanas warchef, lets get back to Sylvanas brough back after defeting Lich King, it could be aciualy Lich King... i mean, Nerzul, becouse Arthas didn't get rid of him complitly, as we saw in DK atrefact quest line. And its posible that niether Arthas or Bolwar know about it and Nerzul had cupple secrets plans. Next, its possible that Sargeras manipulate Voljin some how, becouse Legion was created to fight with Void and somehow saw potencial in Sylvanas as and ally. Also, it could be aciualy spirit of Azeroth, since fighting Void is still more important that anything else for Titans. Yes, im still waitng for Blizz to somehow make Sylvanas good, and make us feel wrong for tring to stop her, but at this moment, her acions are... well wrong :P But still, this could be realy awsome twist ^^

[@WiseBurger]

I feel like ive seen this video multiple times & its the same story everytime i think its something new.

[@PillowyMound]

A good summary but I'm waiting for the conclusion since Sargeras influencing Voljin *before* the invasion on the tomb of Sargeras just doesn't make sense to me. Sargeras didn't know Azeroths location for that long.

[@eastcoasteric]

Vol’Jin making Sylvanas warchief and the vague words he said for his reasoning (and what he saw in his vision) certainly plays a role in either the very end of BFA. or the new XPac and the potential rising of old gods or a new Lich King/Queen. Only problem I have with continuing the store of WoW is that is written itself into a pretty big hole. They can really only recycle things now...unless they go fully into an X PAC with a full on revamp/sundering that dwarfs Deathwing. And they know it wouldn’t be a good idea to do that...as too many people have an attachment to the old areas, etc. They’ve become a permanent fixture of the game, and for all it’s good and bad...what makes WoW, WoW. If anything, shaking up Outland or Northrend would be cool. Especially if we get a new Lich King/Queen.

[@slackmartin7610]

I love myself, but I also love Nobbel ❤️

[@Nobbel87]

[@Shirraz87]

7:10 Guy: "Bye." Nobbel dies* Guy: "...well shoot." lulz

[@gulver8693]

So Vol'jin died to a generic trash mob because the Loas were cut off from him? On one hand, I believe that. On the other, I think that's bullpuckey.

[@jodyboles8208]

he died from a fatal stab that pretty much any mortal would die from along with fel magic killing him too

[@Gekk0e]

Nah you both got it wrong The stab was nothing, he actually died from falling and breaking his tusk Look back at that cinematic and the dying rastakhan one, they’ve both lost tusks right before death Im telling you people all troll life is stored in the massively enlarged teeth

[@sudowoodo9579]

How come gorak tull or whatever his name is from wcm is never in the conversation? He’s literally directly part of the Shadowlands. Is he completely dead from some alliance thing that i didn’t see because I am horde?

[@Gekk0e]

Sudo Woodo yea I think Jaina murked him

[@nickathanas1898]

Jaina and the Player kill Gorak Tul in the "Pride of Kul Tiras"questline

[@sudowoodo9579]

Scarlet Inquisitor Nath well that’s a waste.

[@Dio____Brando]

What if the old gods were the ones showing sylvanas hell to make her work for their cause by making her want to stay alive without realizing shes assisting the ild gods?

[@Gekk0e]

Dio Brando well Saronite was nearby and saronite is Yogg’s blood or something like that so No, Yogg was dead and the only alive old god is N’zoth, she wasn’t close enough to the sea to have been bothered by him

[@royality2597]

Queen Azshara and the old God? (it would be great for them to have a fight), and then why we have a cinematic with her?

[@GRIMHOOD99]

I am expecting light risen arthas any minute honestly because sylvanas is technically his responsibility and well his sister is lightrisen, he got already new model as a character, fate of his body is unknown, uthers tomb got a revamp with unaccesible stairs underground, his soul was very likely released with the destruction of frostmourne since his soul was first to be claimed. Let's just say that blizz drops way too many breadcrumbs with arthas.

[@SophiaAstatine]

Without life, no more death. Without death, no more life, for life begets life, by consuming the dead, the cycle is reborn anew. Undeath destroys the circle. Who would want to break the circle.

[@TheNarkomaniq]

what about this item added in 8.0.1 - wow.gamepedia.com/Hakkar_(object) maybe Hakkar whispered Vol'jin to make Sylvannas warchief?

[@johanneshaukanes4531]

It seems like everyone gets different afterlifes. Depending on what they have done. Or who they are.

[@MrMCKlebeband]

everytime i see one of your videos i'm getting sad over the movie again

[@iripikis4375]

Nobbel do you have a clue about the "eyes" watching while we are on the questline to find out what happened to voljin's spirit?

[@Nobbel87]

Iiii do not, cool little detail some picked up though!

[@EruanneJfO]

1. Funny thought about poker night of those 3 regarding trump xD 2. agreed with azeroth helping vol'jin. not sureif sargeras or old gods. the theory with sargeras sounds intersting.

[@lukaskeledzija9993]

Is this a new microphone ? I am used to the old one :(

[@Boomken76]

im getting a feeling hellya was one of the hands at play, she was the first so the valor part could fit and probably gives 2 shits about balance, there is also that big dick of the drust, he had no issues raising things in the 5 man fight.

[@gorm3h928]

Could've been Sylvanas telling Vol'jin to name her warchief

[@JimmJimm1234]

What about when Lich King one hits everyone during the fight and we all get rezzed by Tirion?? I'd guess it's more like Anduin and Varian but yeah any other ideas??

[@TheXshad]

MAlgani's did whisper to vol'jin to make Sylvanas a warchief and Void or Light made him come back ;>

[@mh852906]

Nonsense, everyone knows that sacrifices and blood can revive powerful entities in Warcraft. So all the horde has to do is drench Azeroth in the blood of the Alliance and everything will be fine. So be good little Alliances players and sacrifice yourselves for the good of the planet.

[@bloodmight8490]

Considering that we know that, at least part of, arthas' spirit is in the helm of damnation. Then doesn't that pretty much confirm that sylvannas' experience wasn't real or at least retconned?

[@xenolyn2962]

Wow I really love wrath of the lich king I want to know what happened

[@xenolyn2962]

I already fnished it I wanted to see the afterlife part