The Ordering of Draenor - Warcraft Chronicle Vol. 2 [Lore]

[@manak477]

Hi Nobbel. As someone who can no longer play WOW due to time constraints I want to thank you for constantly making such amazing videos about the lore. The WOW lore is super fascinating and your videos cover it very clearly. Keep up the amazing work.

[@SzalonyMag]

Same here, I've stopped early WoD, but Warcraft lore is so huge, I can't stop listening to Nobbel soothing voice and his voice acting. Keep it up, your work is amazing mate :D

[@XalosTheInsane]

Same, I started college this year and because of it I haven't had the time to play like I did in High School, so I rely on you to keep me up to date with lore :) Thank you

[@luanhenrique8733]

manak477 Same here. I can't play like i wish by doing mythics and other timeconsuming stuff just to learn the lore but then this amazing guy does the stuff and not only describe the lore but he also share his gameplay experience. It actually makes me feel that im playing the game lol

[@JanLugner]

Same, thank you Nobbel

[@Blasty107]

I too follow this mold. I really appreciate your lore videos since I have been following Warcraft lore since Warcraft 3.

[@SuperExodian]

holy fuck that backstory to dreanor is more awesome than i thought it actually was. massive behemoths are the zones

[@wolololer]

this kind of lore is 100x better than the cosmic treats and worlds we have ni wow nowadays

[@PostingIsMyThingYo]

Makes me kind of happy that Aggramar indirectly led to Brox being the first known mortal to stand up to Sargeras.

[@iraqlobster7678]

Id like to think that the orcs inherited a bit of Aggramar's courage and valor

[@MrAntiDK]

Lost it when they ran at the Broken Shore though.

[@diamondmetal3062]

Going even further, Aggramar indirectly created the Horde. I say we make him the patron deity of the Horde.

[@raunokaljula6844]

lies

[@sabamonstergaming]

Never really thought about it like that but now that you mention it, it is pretty badass. haha

[@shoobror8291]

Wow WoD had sooo much potential... It's really sad... If they had put as much effort into WoD as they had Legion, it would have been an awesome expansion!

[@ravensnest3606]

people can say whatever they want about WoD, but my god...the zones still looks amazing :D

[@LordAJ12345]

ravens nest A shame we never visited them after leveling...

[@General12th]

No, WoD was bad. WoD was very bad.

[@khalduras784]

ravens nest to me,wod was just underutilised. They cut out so much shit to the point that all we have left were just halfassed results of their original ideas with only one new mechanic that they finished ala the garrisons. The garrisons wouldnt have been a problem had the game not only have the garrisons as content

[@ravensnest3606]

I think we can all agree that content wise, WoD was.....bad....to say it nicely :P! I do however think that the leveling zones in WoD was better than Legion (estetichally and the quests). Unfortunately the leveling process is only a small part of the game now...

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Yes. The art team definitely did some hard work during WOD. Unfortunately the art team, the music team, and the raid team were the ONLY ones who did anything except swim in the Scrooge Mcduck money vault.

[@DDespicable]

what kind of crazy evolution is that!? That's five freaking evolutionary steps all existing at the same time!

[@felonyx5123]

An evolution caused more by supernatural alteration of the original creature than by natural selection.

[@DDespicable]

ok yes true but im more concerned by the fact that so many previous generation species exist at once. if it were just orc, ogres and maybe ogron then fine thats kinda similar to what we have now with cats, canines and fish. but the fact that there's five at once is what's crazy to me considering wows at least made their evolu. lines make sense b4 or are there dark trolls left that didnt become night elves?

[@rutven8376]

Apes --> man --> SPLIT --> neckbeards --> trolls --> hippies --> vegans --> Stephen Hawking There you have it. Many evolutionairy species living at the same time.

[@Geraldo_Rivian]

DDespicable of course there are dark trolls...who do u think lives on the other side of the Azeroth?

[@StormsparkPegasus]

It wasn't really evolution. Grond was basically a giant elemental, when pieces fell off of him they animated due to elemental forces and became smaller weaker elementals. Pieces fell of those and became yet smaller weaker elementals. Elementals are magic by nature so they don't fit the normal rules for evolution. Now, as far as magnaron - gronn - ogron - ogre - orc, that's not evolution at all. When the last sporemound died, it release a bunch of magic spores inbued with the element of life (the sporemounds had basically stolen the element of life from the planet in order to grow). Some of the magnaron were hit by these, turning them into gronn. The magic persisted in the environment. Only magnaron in a certain area were affected, and they became gronn. Some of the gronn left, the ones that stayed devolved into ogron. Some ogron left, the ones that stayed devolved into ogres. Some ogres left, the ones that stayed evolved into orcs. By the time of the orcs the magic had faded (the spirit of life basically being reabsorbed into the environment). Gronnlings are just adolescent gronn. I'll just assume the goren came from small pieces that fell off the surviving magnaron (those that weren't devolved). The last sporemound that died became Farahlon (the one that released the sores), so the evolution would've been related to how close relatively to Farahlon you were.

[@fizzplease6742]

Nobbel, I wish with all my heart that I could get audio books of you reading the WoW novels. I love listening to you tell me stories.

[@thinhvo3893]

I love this combining of original Draenor and AU. I mean if WoD did something right is that they managed to established some of the mythology around Draenor that the original story never established. The best we ever know was about the Orc culture and that our greatest extend of draenor lore.

[@Freeasacar]

When he releases his video about the new official lore of the orcish clans and warchiefs you'll see there's barely any combining, most of it has been retconned and almost the stuff we saw on AU Draenor is now canon besides all the technology that Garrosh brought with him. Basically just think of it the same but with less technology coming from the Blackrocks. It gets a little different when we get to the Azeroth side at the time but some stuff there has been changed too and it even gets a bit closer to the Warcraft movie canon.

[@thinhvo3893]

I mean most of the original lore doesn't really explained much about Draenor beside the orchish culture and even some of those stuff aren't even consistent half of the time. Also yeah I do see a lot of retcon according to the forum (haven't bought my chronicle yet) and I myself hated retcon but as long as it doesn't affect the flow of the character in the story and give more substances where the original did not then I'm in. What are some of the change I would like to know.

[@Xanofar]

Ehh, I'd say it's more like they re-wrote the story than enhanced/expanded upon it, sort of like Legion and the Illidari.

[@thinhvo3893]

Xanofar Legion and illidari is the whole fuckery of its own. Whereas Draenor retcon was a mean for Blizzard to step foot and create a define structure for the Warcraft universe, Illidari and Illidan retcon was nothing beside a shitty attempt to paint Illidan in a better light than he actually was while dumb down other existing character for the sake of, well, Illidan.

[@Geraldo_Rivian]

Thinh Vo if you listen to illidan's dialogues starting from Warcraft 3.....u will notice that his behaviour and speech patterns always displayed a misguided or misjudged individual.....never an Evil one

[@sabamonstergaming]

My god man, the details you cover are astounding. Overcrowding, the red pox, even how some of the orcs retained the darker skin as opposed to the traditional green. You're a fuckin legend when it comes to Azeroths lore man. Keep up the awesome work.

[@CallMeNoa]

Well then, eagerly awaiting that arakkoa video some day! They're by far my favorite race and their history is super fleshed out. But I had gone into Chronicle knowing I would love the arakkoa, because I always had. What surprised me about the book was how much it made me like the ogres too. Before WoD I hadn't cared for them, didn't hate or like them just didn't care, and during WoD I didn't like the empire and preferred them being slaves to gronn like BC. But Chronicle definitely turned my opinion on the empire around. Ogres are cool! I also really liked the origin of Draenor. Rocks vs plants is honestly a pretty unique origin story, at least as far as I know. And I'm super glad there wasn't any Old Gods involved because frankly I've gotten really tired of them lately.

[@rdogg114]

I do love that the Arakkoa uplifted the Orges and taught them arcane magic.

[@jalakkersani293]

The orcs kinda have similarities with the human race, which degenerates from the vrykul (originally of the Titanforge) and become one of the dominant races on the very world they reside. While the arakkoa have some similarities with the elven races which evolves directly from primitive beings and later become the most intelligent race on the planet.

[@Keytium]

Wow I didn't realize that the Wowhead link led to an article that actually has a transcript of the videos with references and relevant links. I never did any of the arakkoa stuff and wanted to read more, because they sounded interesting despite not being mentioned much. I clicked the link and could find the stuff you were talking about without having to search for it. That is actually ridiculously useful. I thought the Wowhead thing was just a sponsorship that was kind of irrelevant to the viewers and the link just went to the site's homepage, but this is way cooler.

[@richardm.garciajr.9930]

Thanks for making theses videos, I'm learning what happened in the past and how it all came to be

[@ozcarp92]

I would love to have nobble narrate an audiobook of a warcraft book

[@Xanofar]

"Ninya"

[@rekipstar]

I was doing the Dalaran coin fishing achievements, and some of the coins' wishes seem normal but are really cool, really funny, or just really sad when you look into the lore (I was not expecting the Arugal one, lol. The wish seemed so innocent...) Maybe you could make a video explaining the lore behind some of the wishes on the coins from the Dalaran fountain! (I'm talking about the Northrend one, btw, I know the Broken Isles one has a coin achievement too but my main isn't high enough to go to Broken Isles yet so I don't know if they have wishes with all that lore background too although they probably do.) I think it would be really cool, I've had a lot of fun exploring the background behind these wishes. (If you've done this already, sorry, I haven't watched all your videos yet... but if not I think it could be fun. Of course you don't have to, it's just a suggestion...)

[@GarsonProduction]

I imagine had it been a 1000 years ago Nobbel would have been the bard sitting around the camp fire at night keeping adult and child alike mesmerized with storys of old :)

[@blake7587]

This is my favorite Nobbel video.

[@hugojarnbrink6351]

Can't watch all of your videos but I truly looooooooooove what you do!!!!!! Keep it up

[@TheSpunYarn]

Gonna be honest, all this new knowledge has lead me to want a Dreanor themed Hearthstone expansion even more.

[@algerianrant3784]

my man nobbel coming up in the world. blizz sponsored stream wowhead colabz gzz mate you earned it

[@grimMjownish]

enjoyed every bit of sec. great video mate :D

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

DID YOU SAY APEXIs!!!?!!?!?!?

[@XalosTheInsane]

TRIGGERED!!!!

[@TaurenisTaursen]

You must farm additional Apexis Crystals.

[@WadeAllen001]

There are two things I'm curious about. 1: I thought that the leylines in Azeroth were basically the titan's blood, and the reason that Azerothians can perform magic is because of the titan soul inside. So, if that's true, how are there leylines and magic on Draenor? Or is that just wrong? 2: In Outlands, in Shadowmoon Valley, there can be found a tentacle of an Old God in a felpool. Why is that there if Draenor has no Old Gods?

[@cookiegaming572]

Really enjoyed volume 2, look forward to its next iteration. I really hope though, that the next WoW expansion involves us finally exploring the other half of Azeroth. I'd imagine Old Gods/Naga will have a large role next expansion, but who knows? Either way I'm excited for whats current and whats next. Thanks for the video Nobbel, great as always!

[@xavine5312]

Wow, I was just checking to see if you'd put a video up yet about Chronicle II, and it was 4 minutes ago. Lucky me =)

[@danielcharland1374]

This needs to be the theme of a hearthstone expatiation soon. So many new creatures that could be translated into cards and play styles.

[@meliumelias1698]

What about the mysterious Apexis civilization we hear about in WoD?

[@TonyNumber9]

Melium Elias it's gonna be a separate video for arakkoa

[@meliumelias1698]

ohh i see, thank you, Super Cool Chikorita!

[@SilverKnight16]

13:00 "But because I didn't want to trigger anybody, we won't talk about [Apexis Crystals]" Kek.

[@NargyleNurr]

Nobbel87! You the man!

[@deltondias5046]

some day you will be in Hollywood, actually you should be there right now. Fantastic work and speech.

[@SomeInterestingInfo]

I just started playing again, havent played since Mists of Pandaia! Ive always loved WarCraft, Im 35 and have WarCraft in my life since I was a wee lad.WarCraft and Fallout are the 2 greatest games ever made for playability and story. Cant wait to see more from both, a World of Fallout and World of Diablo would be awesome too lol.

[@matsen1153]

this is so fucking interesting. thank god you made this, Nobbel

[@Tetskeli]

Some sort of video focusing on differences between ordering of Draenor and Azeroth could be nice!

[@greyworld6242]

I never knew their was planet without a titan soul, interesting. I'm glad to know more about dreanor cause half of this stuff i never heard of and it origin with the later evolution of certain creatures is incredible to learn about. Weird curious question but do you think our earth could have its own world soul and if so which one would it be?

[@rhyno3780]

Nearly all planets dont have a Titan soul in them. Azeroth is very unique. That is why the Legion is so hellbent on conquering it.

[@coarsesharpeningstone3130]

Azeroth has a Titan Soul said to be stronger then Sargaras, that's why the Legion is wanting to conquer the planet.

[@Machinens]

Grey World I wouldn't be surprised if that was true though, plus it'd be very epic to have orcs and many races on our planet earth

[@ArakkoaChronicles]

Whenever Earth shows up in a story, it's unsurprisingly always important. My bet? Earth is a very distant world-soul that neither the Titan Pantheon nor the Burning Legion never got around to visiting. Perhaps she even woke up on her own but has no idea what we're doing in our distant corner of the universe.

[@General12th]

I bet Earth doesn't have a world soul -- its life is completely natural. *Mars* on the other hand...

[@RBAtwitch]

Chronicle Vol.3 will be about Argus I can bet on it

[@Wolverine-vs1ge]

no it will be about Warcaft 3

[@LordAJ12345]

Dasgoldei We'll have been there when the next chronicles comes out so it would make sense.

[@generalkros]

@Wolverine I'm sure you're right, but it would make sense to establish a lore background about the burning legion/Archimond/(or even the Nathrezim) before the third war.

[@General12th]

no it will be about pandaland

[@samtatum4797]

A WoW dev on twitter confirmed it would go from the events at the end of Vol. 2 to about Cataclysm.

[@ironicfist399]

So i'm reading Chronicles, and decided i wanted a proper voice over while looking at it. I love how u used lines from the text, while also paraphrasing

[@narhez]

I haven't played WOW since WoTLK but this is still one of the best games ever all due to the lore. Thank you for the vids, even though I have the book I love 'story time' with Nobbel 😀 Keep up the vids and can't wait for the next instalment.

[@MrJannick111]

amazing video nobbel :P

[@stormstrider1990]

This video makes me appreciate Draenor more, despite the expansion being a failure. So much lore potential, but a huge lack of content. Even the garrisons weren't that bad as a concept. I liked the idea of running my own Warcraft 3 style base with an army of followers. The problem with the garrison was that there was little else to do besides that.

[@TaurenisTaursen]

So Orcs in a nutshell with out any other points were created via spores...that sounds quite familiar....hmmm....orcs forming from shrooms.....

[@BobTheArchmage]

Dem boyz haven't got nuff dakka. Der always room for more dakka! But their WAAAGH is okay.

[@eladriladri]

I'd love to see the ordering of argus someday...

[@c.d.dailey8013]

That is really cool. I like how there is an elemental rocky side and a lively plant side. It reminds me of shamans and druids respectively. Since orcs come from the rocky side, it does make sense for them to tap into the elements and becomes shamans. I figured that out before the video got to the part of ogres becoming shamans. The dranei can be shamans too. This probably because they stayed in Dranor for a while and they tapped the elemental source too. That is amazing that the plant side can actually have communication networks among individual plants. There is a collective mind. That reminds me of Avatar. Avatar is a lot like WoW actually. When I first saw promotional pictures for Avatar, I thought "Wow. Those aliens look just like draenei." When I watch the movie, I learned they are called na'vi. They also bear a strong resmblence to Native Americans especially with the Pocahontas story. The Native American coding is like the tauren. I can even imagine the Na'vi haing all four of the origional tauren classes. They have a powerful bond with nature, with is like druid and shaman. They hunt animal prey and bond with animal companions, like hunter. They have warriors willing to fight enemies, like warrior. I even wonder if James Cameron played WoW and got inspired by it. The pretty glowy jungle in Avatar is a little like Azremist Isle or Terrokar Forest. Maybe there is a mix of Teledrassil in there somewhere. One part in Avatar that is compelling is the network of trees creating a goddes called Eywa. I just learned that WoW has something like that in the Dranor lore. May Eywa was based on that as well as the night elf goddess Elune. Maybe the home tree that Na'vi lived on was based on Teledrassil. I wonder. The most devastating part of Avatar is when the humans destroy home tree. Sylvanas does the same thing to Teledrassil, and it was also a shock. To be fair Avatar beat WoW to the tree burning. So it can't borrow from WoW on that. The lore of Dranor gives me a great idea. Druid is an awesome class but it isn't widely available. First only the night elves and tauren have it. Then the worgan and the trolls have it. With the lore, I came up with two more races. The orcs and draenei have long been able to tap into the rock and elements of Dranor to become shamans. Then in a new time, some of them tapped into the plants of Draenor instead. They got a host of powers over life. They gain plant powers to heal. Then they can shapshift to alien creatures and gain powers to tank and do melee damage. They even tapped into the stars and outer space of Dranor. Dranor was an alien planet after all. Tapping into this gained arcane powers to do spell damage. These new orcs and dranei became druids as a result of the plant power. In the game mechanics, the druid class becomes availiable to orc and dranei races. Both races get help with their nearby allies, which are also druids. These allies teach the druid ways. The dranei get help from the night elves and worgen. The druid class supports the dranei efforts to take care of the environment and help it recover from the Exodar crash. The orcs get help from the tauren and trolls. These are the three Horde races bonded in being the only shamans of vanilla, and then they are further bonded by being the only Horde druids. Interestingly, these are all the Kalmidor races except for goblins. Goblins exploit and ruin nature. So they could not gain the right natural connections to be a druid. Goblins can be shamans though, and that makes no sense to me. In the new druids, the forms can be alien animals. It is like the alien life in avatar. That would be cool. Dranei forms tend to be sleeker with blue and purple colors. Orc forms tend to be bulkier with green and brown colors. An alien cat could be the rogue form. An alien rhino or bear can be the warrior form. An alien horse can be the running travel form. An alien dragon or "banshee" can be the flying travel form. The alien tree can be the special priest form. The orcs can be a tree like those in Gorgrond or Tanaan Jungle. The dranei can be a tree like those in Azurmist Isle or Terokkar Forest. An arokora or anthro bird can be the special mage form. This is for two reasons. One is that the arokoa look a lot like moonkin, which is the special mage form for the other druid races. The other is that the arokoa did have arcane magic like mages and mage-like druids. I am looking forward to the Avatar sequals. I do hear there is going to be some underwater stuff. So if there are aquatic aliens, that would be great for the swimming travel form.

[@MeagerClown]

With your videos, I've managed to get into the lore more seriously since about a year ago, so first off thank you very much for that I love your videos. But I feel I might still be a little confused about the way power works in this game. Like where do, for example, mages or necromancers draw their power from? I get where priests do for the most part, and warlocks and shamans, but the others elude me.

[@mikfhan]

wow.gamepedia.com/Magic#Order_and_Disorder has some info on the cosmic forces of Warcraft. Arcane magic seems related to the Titans and Order, but really it's just LESS destructive and chaotic than Fel. Necromantic magic seems derived from death and unlife itself, or rather the absence of life and spirit.

[@Tgernos]

a goblin lore would be amazing

[@johnclark8542]

The 'Lion King' version of Lorecraft. 'The ciiiirrrcle of liiiiife!..." Hakuna Mattata

[@podplemnik]

And all of this could be so cool to uncover in WOD...

[@havingissuesisfun8330]

the bird drama around 11:44 lolololol

[@Miko-vi8vq]

Are you going to tell more about the arakkoa later? I believe there was more about them in the book.

[@silverdarkhawk2539]

I haven't purchased the book yet since its Made to Order here in my country. I love to hear that the Orcs are the devlolved race of the Gron created by the Titan's Champion of the Pantheon known as Agrammar. In short the Orcs are the Human versions of Draenor

[@fumarc4501]

Humans are titan forged changed by the Curse of Flesh. Orcs are titan forged changed by the Essence of Life. Is life the same as a curse?

[@mickel1470]

Khadgar could not look more "I really ain't with this" if he tried.

[@contre.x]

so if alternate dreanor fine now why don't we just go chill there since the legion doesn't want it anymore? lovr your vids man!

[@_Lanstus_]

HAH! I see what you did there with Kargath and Yrel pictures Nobbel :D :D

[@brandanstrickland8641]

What exactly did he mean when he said he didn't wanna trigger people? What in Warcraft lore could possibly be triggering?

[@muncherofbiscuits]

Yeah boii I was just about to go to sleep but NOPE! Gotta watch it!

[@araposkulo]

I hope that in the end of ToS Velen and KJ have a heart to heart bro moment

[@fumarc4501]

Saberon didn’t get any spotlight in Chronicle. If you could make a video about them, even if it’s short, would be appreciated.

[@DeathSithe92]

Actually draenei did infact have a titan soul but the sporemound devoured the element of spirit, thus denying the titan soul the ability to evolve thus causing it to simply die off

[@Nobbel87]

Ow? Where's that from?

[@doug_b330]

I recently bought the Chronicles vol 2, and as with the Orc clans, I did not see anything (at least on the map) about the Shattered Hand clan. My personal favorite. Can you clear that one up, Nobbel?

[@generalkros]

Just watch the story of Kargath Bladefist, he founded them.

[@krupam0]

So what about Garona's origin now? Does it just mean that Maraad's sister had been a slave for several years, long enough for Garona to be rather grown up by the time when the Bladewinds got wrecked?

[@georgestaykov5358]

make a video about the apexis, rise of the horde, first and second wars as vol.2 describes them please. complete with the war maps and illustrations :D

[@fdgdfgdffdg345]

As a fan I love the backstory that Volume 1 gave me but I'm not so sure about buying Volume 2. Is the new book mostly about Draenor or is it 50/50 with regards to Azeroth and Draenor?

[@fdgdfgdffdg345]

To note, I'm not much of a fan of Draenors backstory and am more interested in what the book has to offer with regards to the timeline of WC1 and WC2

[@Someone-xn6yh]

It's about Draenor and the first and second war

[@DarkMegaPlague]

20:20 well well well nicelooking quiver and a nicelooking model for the arrows aswell. oh the latest ingame movies in WoW with nathanos killing an undead npc looks even badder now.

[@CarlosGomes-mn9gm]

I usually love my sunday nobbel video, but today this felt like he made me eat a plate full of broccoli.

[@FaberDwarf]

Can we get an RTS with the primals vs the breakers? :O

[@benw543]

Yo Nobbel what do you think of the chance that Vol'Jin is off trying to rescue Varian from the Legion ?

[@Ianbrad65]

Nobbel how did you feel about Gul'dan's back story being fused from old lore and harbinger lore?

[@fs2838]

i was thinking silmarillion was very very big story until i saw these videos

[@Traymont]

Pls do the Arakoa !!!!

[@Rhae_of_Sun]

NOBBEL I NEED TO SLEEP! WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME?

[@purgejmi]

"We are, Cho'gall!"

[@luddsen8314]

It would have made a bit more sense if Gronds body became Gorgrond (due to the land and the giants name). But we have already heard (from Warlords of Draenor) that Gorgrond was a giant colossus and not Grond! So I guess that it's okay that Gronds body became Nagrand instead!

[@bindair_dundat]

If all other Titans of the Pantheon can travel between worlds freely (like when Aggramar just happened to visit Draenor, or when the Pantheon came to Azeroth), then why does Sargeras require portals to get to places?

[@Xo-3130]

His body is scared by fel energies. It's very likely he like other demons gets pulled back into the Twisting Nether.

[@EJ_Red]

Wait, so did the draenei land on Draenor a few years before the Horde's formation or thousands of years before as was implied by one of Velen's quotes in Rise of the Horde?

[@starcraftian5144]

In the books it was stated that the draeni had been there for over 200 seasons i.e 50 years (4 seasons per year if Draenor is the same as us) but like nobble said, some of the lore has changed so, bleh

[@EJ_Red]

So more bullshit?

[@soulkutu]

So let me get this straight. If the Titan had not interfered, the Evergrowth would get complete control of Draenor, running out of food, dying and turning it into an empty planet. That would mean no Orcs, no Hordes, no Gul'Dans no anything and possibly some dead Dranei since they would have no way to hide from Kil'Jaeden there. I am perfectly fine with that outcome. Screw you Aggrammar.

[@zander6100]

But then Azeroth might've fallen to the Legion without all these defenders.

[@michaelhaddad8036]

Well if he didn't do that, then there won't be a world of warcraft game:Psince only alliance will be on azeroth, no one to face and we will be in peace:P

[@zander6100]

+Michael Haddad Well not so much peace. Since the Legion would have destroyed the Alliance in the second invasion

[@fumarc4501]

The Saberon evolved to eat the Arakkoa... this I can live with.

[@WondderWaffel]

The story of the apexis and the anivian races of draenor, are they in the chronicle or are they stories pulled from WoD itself?

[@123Sunwell]

WoD and chronicle are from the same concept. No need to separate them that completely.

[@Greatot]

Wait wait wait, no Old Gods? They just retcon it like that after doing all that hinting in the Spires of Arak? Shame, that was such an interesting little story.

[@khalduras784]

Greatot There werent really any real hints. Just void-like magic and speculations made by fans who tried to connect it with that one old-god like quest in TBC

[@Greatot]

+Khalduras You missed it. There was a point at which it says Anzu talked to some creatures in the "deep" and found them "dull, witless creatures", really couldn't mean much else than Old Gods.

[@CallMeNoa]

It could mean plenty besides Old Gods. And it never even said the ones he spoke to were on Draenor either.

[@Greatot]

+Reign Well I'm clueless as to what else that could have meant, so please explain. And yes of course it means the ones he spoke to are on Dreanor, I don't remember exactly how the description went, but I'm half certain it said the creatures were specifically in the "depths" of the planet, and I don't think Anzu has the capability to travel to other planets. Or to talk to Old Gods on other planets.

[@Joralion]

Void lords probably

[@petrameyer1121]

Interesting that the orc-draenai children all look like full orcs. Garona and Lantresor for example.

[@broxim9668]

If all of the giants were killed in that assault, then how could the Thunderlords and Grommash's dad hunt them?

[@sergersgerhersh6594]

I personally loved leveling up in Draenor. The zones and dungeons were very beautiful. Unfortunately, that's the only good thing the expansion did. Everything else sucked elephant balls, and the Ashan PvP was a fucking abomination of a clusterfuck nightmare.

[@slydog5132]

With the picture of the clans, the stormreavers do not show up, have they been retconned?

[@CallMeNoa]

Stormreavers were always made by Gul'dan after they went to Azeroth.

[@ZanathKariashi]

they weren't. They were originally a clan of devoted orc sailors, but Gul'dan decided he wanted a clan for himself since he wanted to distance himself from the Shadowmoon and took it over after their clan leader had been speaking out against him (supposedly), and turned it into a warlock heavy clan, while the craftsmen and sailors were sent to other clans.

[@feron_ve]

First few minutes made it sound like Zerus

[@retrohanska4441]

Ok, I've watched these ordering stories several times now and I'm calling bullshit. Titans don't directly intervene with the planet because they are supposedly too big to do so without causing damage to it but at the same time they are can create some very delicate and small creatures and items to represent them. I refuse to believe that they couldn't for example cast a small fire spell that's hot enough to burn organic matter but at the same time not hot enough to melt rock. They're supposed to be nearly omniscient and omnipotent yet all they can think of is "I create this creature smaller than my fingernail and give it small spark of my power." That's just ridiculous. For beings like that there must be infinite number of ways to deal with small matters like some plant monster that's probably size of a fly compared to them. We humans are still quite primitive creatures but almost everyone of us can swat a fly without destroying the surface it's on and we don't need superpowers to perform that miracle. And don't even get me started about Aman'Thul ripping Old God out of the planet. How did it never occur to any one of the titans that there may be some middle ground between not touching anything directly and just ruthlessly ripping your enemies out of the planet? They could have probably just pinched all 4 of them like they were popping some massive zits and the battle would have been over instantly. I must say I liked the lore more when Old Gods were actually stronger than Titans because that gave much better reason why things are like they are now.

[@Treviath]

20:16 where is this cinematic from?

[@sentryward8744]

Aggrammar is a really nice dude

[@Magnus8909]

Nobbel, what happend at The temple of Karabor in this time line? How did it become The black temple? I guess Velen didn't die defending it;)

[@RileyRivalle2]

+Magnus Åhström This is the original timeline, so it became the Black Temple as depicted in the 2.1 patch trailer.

[@Magnus8909]

Okey, let me try be more specific. In this timeline(original) what happened at the battle of Karabor? i.e. the fall of Karabor. When the orcs took over, post Draenei and pre Black citadel with Mannoroth. If i'm remembering the story right from the book 'Rise of the horde' they fled from Shattrath, leaving people behind to die so it would look like to the horde that they killed all of 'em. And then fled to Karabor or did they flee from Karabor first.. hmm.. So what i'm really wondering about i guess it what happened and in which order did it happened in this (original) time line. Was it Fall of Karabor migration to Shattrath and then Fall of Shattrath or the reverse? :)

[@123Sunwell]

Temple first, then Shattrath.

[@gabrielserrano9517]

The only complaint I got from chronicle is that they made Ner'zhul such a weakling that gets pathetic...

[@khalduras784]

Gabriel Serrano i mean he was like that even in rise of the horde,a book that came out years ago

[@ZanathKariashi]

he's always been pretty laid back and relatively content until Kiljaeden came into the picture. It wasn't till everything turned to shit and he was sick and tired of being on a slowly dying rock of a world and now being opposed by invaders from Azeroth, that he finally snapped and turned iron-fisted dictator.

[@frasqai23]

And after he became the lich king he rebelled against the legion eventually, which is a pretty brave (or stupid) thing to do.

[@Kiwicrack]

couldn't help but notice that the bit of lore primer that attempts to set up the flaming pile of dogshit lore that is WoD as a connected part of the IP feels WAY convoluted and tacked on by comparison to the previous Volume. Thank you Nobbel - great video. The source material though, god, if we could just distance ourselves further from Draenor now.

[@xXbaker1025Xx]

what was that cinematic where thrall just watches orgrimmar burn?

[@vortimulticompte7177]

DerFallenBaker The fireland raid trailers where Thrall sees in dream ragnaros burning the world and Orgrimmar.

[@canokay834]

i clicked so fast Kreygasm

[@Gothmok]

you don't want to trigger anyone? INSTAND TRIGGER! xD

[@onterntvarata2131]

Hi Nobbel.

[@spandansahs8816]

nobbel aggramar might have done this out of his helping nature

[@EZ3James]

He said there was a volume 1. Can someone please link it because I can not locate it. Thank you.

[@Nobbel87]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6HbqoWrZtararc

[@EZ3James]

Thank you so much!

[@omarajam]

nobbel do i need to read Vol. 1 before i read the 2nd one i have been playing the game for 5 years so i know afew stuff plz help :)

[@Nobbel87]

Hmm you'll know more about Medivh's "new" story, but it's not required to understand what is going on

[@EzioIlMentore]

Ah, so Coliseum of Lust was actually a thing.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

Nothing on the Saberon? And there were some strong hints of at least one old god in Draenor, specially on things revolving the Arakkoa and Anzu. It's a pitty they have dismissed it =/ And this timeline is not fitting. Didn't the draenei arrived around 200 years prior to the Dark Portal? Then how the Frost Wolves were led by Garad prior to that?

[@Sean-df3dv]

So what exactly is 'flesh' in the Warcraft universe? Originally, I thought it was a curse that only the Old Gods and possibly the Voidlords could give. But now that we know there was no old gods on draenor, how exactly did the colossals evolve into fleshy creatures? Does the spirit of life have the power to turn the Titan made creatures into fleshy creatures just like the Old gods?

[@cooltv2776]

it had something to do with those plant spores. the titans use creatures of stone and metal. The old gods corrupted the azeroth creations with flesh. plant spores corrupted the stone creatures of draenor to be half stone and half flesh, then corrupted those to be even more flesh, and again and again until the final result (orcs and possibly ogres) were completely flesh

[@joresgon]

I have a question, what sentient beings; if any; evolved in Azeroth before the old gods and the Titans came to it.

[@RileyRivalle2]

+joresgon The elementals with their lords are the original inhabitants of Azeroth before the Old Gods and Titans came. No other forms of life have been confirmed to be as old or older than they.

[@blankymcblankface]

+Riley Rivalle Trolls aren't Titan creations though, right? Where did they come from? O.o

[@ZanathKariashi]

they're titan creations. The elementals were all that existed prior to old gods. the old gods created the Aqir and Kathraxi. The titans created absolutely everything else which either evolved into something else naturally, due to exposure to well of eternity, experimentation by the keepers in places like Un'goro, or infection by the old gods. Trolls and Elves both came from the same source though elves took a different path due to exposure to the well and chose to stay around it, while the trolls split off and further split into subtle variances due to environmental pressures of where their various empires lay.

[@wildin8156]

ZanathKariashi Incorrect. Trolls and Tauren weren't titan creations but were the Native species of Azeroth

[@ZanathKariashi]

NOTHING on Azeroth is natural except the elements. It was an unlivable ball of raw energy and chaotic elements and matter until the old gods arrived and tried to infect it, stabilizing it into something they could integrate with. there was no non-elemental life period until the Old Gods came and shed their minions, and the tauren and trolls AREN'T old god cast offs so they HAD to evolve from the wild things created by the keepers following the black-empire period which means they are 100% titan creations. All of the wild gods are titan creations by proxy (created by the keepers and their overseers), born from holding areas like Un'goro, which eventually split off due to primordial magics and developed into the beast-kin races like the Tauren, Pandarian, Quill'boar etc.

[@Steve-ey4lc]

What's the story of Marius felbane and tend shoemaker

[@stevenfimple]

Alright so I'm super new to the lore of WOW I decently like wow because of the population and a huge lover of mmorpgs.. so keep leaving and coming back.. and sorry if I'm a noob...but is draenor and azeroth separate worlds... or just continents??

[@Nobbel87]

Seperate worlds!

[@stevenfimple]

do you go over why we visit different worlds or do they not explain it ?

[@stevenfimple]

sorry in advance im new and thank you so much for the explanation your videos are superb and really well done just so you know