Opel Corsa-E review | The truth about motorway range in an EV!

[@Green.Current]

I ordered this car and im very exited about it. I think is one of the best electric car for the price at the moment and im gomna use it for longer distances 1000+ km. Most people dont get the ideea of an electric powertrain. First off all when you go in a long trip you use only the ccs dc rapid chargers. You stop 20-30 min every ~200km witch is anyway a good ideea for a break, and charge from 10% to max. 80%. Of course that after 70, 80% you get charge throttling, its obvious. You can do any trip with this car if you have the infrastructure which is in continuous development. I just see too much missinformation about this this technology but again maybe is not for everyone. Just think about the air you breath, and the effects it causes to the ecosystem.

[@rizaanjappie]

Did you get the car, how has it been

[@Green.Current]

@@rizaanjappieYes I got the car and it has been great so far. The only unexpected downside is that in the winter temp. the range decreases dramatically (Under 200 km in town). Have a great day !

[@rizaanjappie]

@@Green.Current opel all the way ✌️ enjoy it man. We don't have the new corsa in south africa, yet

[@milenao4455]

It’s never 200km, i have a mokka e and it’s 150km max

[@Michael-dp4fo]

@@milenao4455 that doesn't sound good do you like the car? People say EVs are cheaper on fuel but if you never get the range I wonder how accurate that is 🤔

[@bjephcott1]

I drive an e208 which has the same range predictor - the software is very pessimistic. The best way to measure the car's efficiency and actual range is to check the battery % at the start and end, which can only be done in the app. I've driven it on motorway runs in England, starting on a full charge from home. 150 miles is easily within reach in average temperatures if you keep the speed at 70 mph, but the range rapidly declines with a heavier right foot or in wintry wet weather. A 300km run though would only need one charging stop, even in winter.

[@nikolaidiqnov6801]

I have been seriously impressed by the corsa e. Managed to get one at a serious discount and this is probably the most fun I am having in a car. It is agile, well built and very practical. Around town the car is superb. I also did a 150 mile motorway trip which the car handled absolutely fine. Where I live, there are free charging stations and EV owners do not pay for parking spots around town.

[@NobbyOnCars]

Sounds like a great experience

[@DylanOB]

Currently looking at purchasing one, are you based in Ireland? Would love to know where you got a serious discount from

[@nikolaidiqnov6801]

@@DylanOB I live in Bulgaria. The local dealer had a few ev corsas in stock. Basically they were sold in like 4 days. Those that came afterwards had a higher price tag because of the increased steel and nickel prices.

[@highbel]

Best point to stop ccs Chargen is at 72%. After this Point it drops to 20-30 kw/h. Better load fast and than drive fast to the next hpc. You can drive in 6 h 500 km, with 3x 15-20 m stops.

[@MrSunnyBhoy]

Interesting thing about thr 80% charge issue, they say we shouldn't charge our mobiles past 80% for the longevity of the battery so maybe the same applied to electric cars. Nice review as always Mark.

[@TheRichardHonor]

There's usually a buffer built in to the battery by the manufacturer. For example although the Corsa-e has a 50kWh battery, it's only 45kWh usable

[@CreRay]

5:37 I drive a 2023 Corsa-e (with the new shift knob) and can say that the Eco values definitely not apply to my car. Top speed is not limited that I know of (power is though), ventilation works as normal, AC works too but at a limited power. Unless it gets really hot outside I actually find the climate more pleasant in Eco mode, as it uses less AC. I just did a 4000km holiday trip and it was just fine, in summer driving the motorway range is fine for me. Big benefit is that the charge port is in the same location as Teslas so no issues using Superchargers.

[@manwithcorsae7738]

The brakes work this way: the first third of travel gives you regen braking (recovering electric from the inertia) which is much softer braking power, then the rest of the travel gives you physical braking. If you want to maximise your mileage, you'll use as much regen braking as you can. Drive in B mode and you'll get more regen as you go along. It is possible, if you are good at judging the distance to where you want to stop (it takes practice), to bring the Corsa to a dead stop without touching the brakes. As I say, it does take some practice so be careful when you first try.

[@Ancovg]

I don't like the fact there is a seperate gear for regen, it should always be in maximum regen mode.

[@manwithcorsae7738]

@@Ancovg If you were always in high regen then when you were driving down the motorway/A roads regen would be pulling you back and you would lose speed massively whenever you relaxed the throttle. D mode still provides some regen, but allows the car to maintain most of your speed and therefore doesn't need so much input to get back to the speed you were at before slowing. That way it saves electricity. So, rather than gaining through regening you lose less by maintaining momentum.

[@Ancovg]

@@manwithcorsae7738 that could also be beneficial, although other EVs do in fact always regen when letting go, it’s called one pedal driving.

[@decimal1815]

Heavy regen might not always be a good idea on the motorway at 70mph though - sometimes you want less braking when you release the throttle on the motorway IMO, particularly when you don't have automatic cruise control and need to gently regulate your speed relative to the car in front? @@Ancovg

[@ridgmont61]

It may well save you time to drive slower and therefore not needing to top up. It would be very useful if the satnav would indicate the percentage of the battery will be used by a particular journey - the normal indicating of range seems a bit pointless as the speed of the journey and therefore consumption is not known.

[@vkempen88]

Thank you very much sir! You are the first and only one so far that provides a true expectation from this car. Since i received the same car 2 weeks ago I watched back some of the video's i used to the decide to get one or not. Unfortunately these auto journalist are way to positive compared to real life usage.

[@NobbyOnCars]

Glad I could help - is a great city car, it will do motorways once there's charge options along the route.

[@georgewalker7061]

An odd review from someone driving that seemed to not understanding the car. It has 134bhp / 136ps when in Sport and when the accelerator is used like a kick down in ECO or Normal. But in ECO the car has 80ps or so equivalent, and in Normal 110ps. So in ECO it might well feel like a underpowered if it was heavy 75ps Petrol Car.

[@georgewalker7061]

PS. and move the stick back to B and get some charge back into the battery. Using the A/C takes a lot off the range.

[@NobbyOnCars]

Safe to say I've probably driven more electric cars than the average person, perhaps yourself included. The car wasn't in eco mode and I was using re-gen.

[@colm112]

Nobby On Cars but do you own an electric car?

[@georgewalker7061]

@@NobbyOnCars .You did the review and you chose to show the car in ECO and not mention the 3 modes. Chose not to mention the change in accelerator response or in the steering. You did talk about wheel spin and torque steer. Well there can be plenty of that with 'Traction Control off'. on Sport and using B on B roads and you can get a better range. Pity about the Michelin Primacy tyres fitted. 17" 205's on the Elite Nav and 16" 195's on the SE, that makes a difference to range.

[@NobbyOnCars]

Traction control wasn't off. You'll easily get front wheel spin from time to time in EVs, it's not unique to the Corsa at all. Driving an EV in sport mode kinda defeats the purpose of driving efficiently for me.

[@12345maxx]

Why can't car reviewers just tell you the battery size and the consumption on the motorway and then calculate the range? Why have they got to run it down to 50% then turn around and the stand there and wait 30mins instead of getting a coffee like a normal person?

[@TheBlueskythoughts]

Because every motoring Journo or KZbin reviewer born in the last 40 years thinks they have to be a Clarkson ’esk’ n*b

[@matthewashton152]

Just test drove one of these cars today few things I don’t understand above 80% and the charger drops Vauxhall tell you that you arrived with 70% charge But you complained when the speed dropped wouldn’t it have been better run the car down to like 20% and then charge it but maybe that would make the car look good I don’t think you personally like the car no one is going to put 100kwph charger in until there is a network of cars it’s a case of chicken and egg I personally think the 208-e and corsa-e would do amazing things for the electrical car Industry two very well-known cars that have fully electric versions as we strive greener and more efficient car network Plus little things three years free servicing eight years battery warranty no mot so savings can be made in time I just felt you were running this car down but thanks for doing the review not many reviews on this car I respect your opinion

[@NobbyOnCars]

I wanted to demonstrate the difference motorway driving can have on the range. I cover the battery warranty in the video to be fair. It's important to know how much the charging slows down after 80% too. I have a home charger and that last stretch to 100% is very slow - I've an e208 outside on the driveway this week and it is the same. Check out Bjorn Nyland he did a review where he kept charging the car along a 1,000km drive to get it charging below 80% but to keep moving quickly. The 20%-80% from Opel are displayed on screen too so all in all, I think it's balanced. It gets us all chatting though about the car - that's exactly what I want :)

[@matthewashton152]

Nobby On Cars I agree it get us talking which is good thing but at the same time there are alot of people who do not know much about electrical cars if you get a chance there is a guy called EVM he does a price comparison on the price of fuel over 100k Miles I understand the price of fuel has now dropped but there is no guarantee it will stay this low if you do 40 mpg =£ 14.517 50 mpg =£11.614 ev real world Range 85% night charging 5% day charging and 10% public charging =£ 2.511 so against 40 mpg car 12 grand saving I have seen bjorn Nyland e-208 videos just hope he would review a Corsa but I think at the end of all this it is down to the driver if you need a car that is non-stop motorway driving electric cars maybe not what you need that for most people commuting back and forth to work going shopping running the kids around towns this car will handle quite well if you buy an electric car and you consider most of your charging will be done on rapid charges then electric cars are not for you as a far more costly way of charging rapid charging is a convenient way of charging when is needed but that would probably be a small amount of time for most of the ev users what we really need is a greater available of 7 kW charges in workplaces in shopping carparks so people can trickle charge their car throughout the today but this is just my personal opinion

[@johngowers8045]

Vauxuhall Corsa e owner As you was driving fast when you refill gom will say a lot less If you dive at 55mph and refill then gom say 190 mile range If you dive at 70 mph and refill then gom say 140 mile range Charging i got 150kw charger 3 miles from me Arive with 50 miles in 30 min its 80% last 20% takes another 40 min So best to leave at 80%

[@daisy180709]

Right i got a bit lost trying to follow this as you were rattling off kilometres left right and centre , how many kilometres did you travel on the motorway and how many kilometres did it take off the battery ? then i can convert it in to miles . Thanks

[@richardh6756]

Just found your channel great videos people worry about range of evs but when they buy ice cars they do not worry about range, because of petrol stations.

[@ronmccullock1407]

Fantastic review

[@NobbyOnCars]

Thank you kindly

[@jeremylister89]

I did not hear the pedestrian warning fake engine noise when you set off. Thought this was mandatory..?

[@NobbyOnCars]

Probably just wasn't picked up on the mic but it was there alright.

[@ruysk]

If this is around 340km WLTP and goes around 150km at highway speed (120km/h) in summer. What is the real winter range then , let's say at -10 C, around 100km with AC ? .. and then we should charge with about 20% battery left. 80 km range in real world at highways? .. and in winter the time to charge is extended.

[@MrShadowhearth]

So if you are doing, motorway and long trips, its not only extra time to charge, but cost too. Making gap smaller in cost between petrol/diesel and EV. 13k extra price tag just waaay too much. That's not even including battery degradation over time.

[@timaustin2000]

Battery degradation is overblown. There's a Zoe in Estonia (I think) that's done 402336km (it's used as a taxi) and it's still at 95% battery health. Most cars will take years to hit that. Most people will have sold it on long before hitting it. Forget degradation.

[@BANKO007]

It cannot possibly be charging at 50kW at that station (see 00:10). The meter at the beginning (00:50) suggests it is more like 10kW charge rate.

[@NobbyOnCars]

It can do 50kW is the point, it was 96% full so no, it wouldn't be charging at that speed. Demonstration purposes more than anything!

[@BANKO007]

@@NobbyOnCars I see, thanks for the clarification.

[@Blueburger1]

So what your saying is they should reduce the speed limit down to 90 klm And make the road safer at the same time nice one ps Evs are here to stay get on board

[@andyrads1096]

Not sure you were doing a like for like comparison on price. The comparable petrol version is €25k...

[@NobbyOnCars]

the €5,300 extra for the same spec you mean?

[@timaustin2000]

@@NobbyOnCars The difference on a PCP per month isn't going to be all that much, especially with dealer incentives, if you match specs. My old Zoe cost me £30 a month more than an equivalent spec Clio, for example. My current Zoe, only £20 a month. Factor in fuel savings and tax exemptions and I'm in profit every month, even on a car that stickers for £30k.

[@nigelweir3852]

Plenty of chargers , just unless you have it at 100 % this model really not a real 300 km range , charging at home part of the package

[@ricco123tube]

I think the problem with reviews is that they rarely drive and charge the car as it would be done day to day in the real world. Why charge to 100%?? Drive, stop, charge, piss, coffee and go. Infrastructure is obviously an issue......but.

[@NobbyOnCars]

I have these cars for a week and a charger at home so not as long as an owner but you do get to experience the pros and cons.

[@mwill101]

Could you confirm if you had air con on, heated steering wheel etc?

[@NobbyOnCars]

yes, all of toys.

[@damme91]

I can't sell it being cheaper to run if your getting alot less miles than the petrol version. if they can make a car that matches or betters the miles of a petrol car then I'll change.

[@NobbyOnCars]

Quite a few years since this video was made. Charging at home is vastly cheaper than €1.76 a litre (and rising)…

[@damme91]

but your getting alot less miles meaning your having to refuel it more often

[@Mr.Gui.monteiro]

I will wait Graphene batteries and then I get my EV.

[@bernardhilton3527]

Unfortunately you did that test in heavy rain which has a serious impact on range.

[@NobbyOnCars]

Well it is Ireland so it’s probably handy to know the real world.

[@nailil5722]

Damn doing a roadtrip in this thing must be a pain in the ass smh

[@NobbyOnCars]

Lots of charging involved !

[@rosiegiesler4705]

I think your missing the point to this video. Your audience aren’t here to hear about the difference between a petrol or diesel car to an electric. We’re hear to buy an electric car. Therefore advice the differences between say a Tesla and a Vauxhall or a Tesla and Nissan Leaf. But it’s like comparing water and air, they have similarities but their completely different and most people going off to buy an electric car already know that and are prepared for these diffrences. And I at least don’t care wether a petrol or diesel is more efficient because that’s not why most of us have come to buy an electric car. We’ve Coe because of its green energy and efficiency. I think you should watch others videos and you’ll see what I mean.

[@eoinscanlon9681]

Hmmmm. This is my fear with real life EV. I assume in the winter you'd lose further range? Heating on, maybe seat heaters, demister occasionally? Or they run better in the cold. Everyone needs to drive long distance occasionally. So to get this car from say Drogheda to Cork. 300km. Charge fully overnight (grand). Stop twice?? And hope destination charger and have range anxiety for last 50km. Journey taking an extra 2 or 3 hours too. Be better rent a car. Which defeats purpose of owning one. This all with brand new car. They're not there yet. Teslas might be, but cost waaaaay too much in Ireland, €60k min (build quality is only ok then) Be sticking ICE a while, but glad to see these cars headed right direction. I'll buy once they make sense. Nice real world review Mark. Thanks

[@NobbyOnCars]

Yes, colder temp affects range. You could take it easy on the motorway (won't get any re-gen) and you might get 200kms from a full battery.

[@eoinscanlon9681]

@@NobbyOnCars fair enough and ok for some. I'd have no interest.

[@spaldi01]

The problem may be the GOM assumed the car was going to be continued to be driven slowly. So when you drive at 120 it needs to readjust. It will be worse in the winter and in the rain it could be you'd only get 190k on the motorway

[@MrShingart]

Good topic about motorway range! The E-Corsa is NOT a 'built from ground up' EV! Its the main cause of range problems at higher speeds. This car has the same design and aerodynamics as the petrol variants. As an EV, this car is not great. Its a petrol car with a EV option! This is why you don't get anything special or innovative for your money. The Zoe, Leaf, Model 3, Iconic are real 'built from ground up EV's', they offer better aerodynamics at higher speeds and are designed to use batteries and electric motors in a more efficient manor. For example, a used Hyundai Iconic 28Kwh will travel 105 miles on a motorway if you keep it @70mph. This E-Corsa has almost double the battery capacity, so its efficiency is terrible, it's an 'Electron Guzzler' so its not the that cheap to run. If you dont mind stopping to charge on a rapid every 75miles then its not really a problem. But for half the money you can pick up a used EV with better motorway range.

[@gn6912]

Why would you stop every 75 miles? Car can do double that before requiring charging.

[@MrShingart]

@@gn6912 yeh 150miles in milder seasons but in middle of winter it gets less range. My thinking is most people don't drive the full range before rapid charging. From owning an eV for a few years now i tend to look for a rapid charge around the 30% charge mark. So u have back up range incase of a faulty or busy charger. That's why I was referring to traveling around 75 mile mark on the motorway at high speeds before thinking about looking for your next charge. Of course as you mention the average combined range is higher than this but from doing a lot of motorway driving I find that in most cases I start around the 80%, I'm a huge supporter of EV's and the tech but i fear most poeple won't jump on EV's untill u can truly travel around 200 miles at 70mph in winter. Some of us have and do put up with a lot less and some don't do a lot of motorway driving so I can still understand the choices taken on the shared EV platform they used. Not so much a negitive comment just more of an observation. Although saying this I find that I can maximise motorway range by sticking at 60mph, it can be a little frustrating at times but you can back 25percent of your cars capacity. A few years from now when the second hand market starts to populate these cars and similar will be a bargain. At the moment, the people that have the cash to buy new are the folk that help pioneer the tech and move the industry forward.

[@davievanderzwart9907]

These middle lane drivers.....they are everywhere....merge to the left when you can 👍 welcome to Ireland indeed 😉

[@NobbyOnCars]

How do you know what I was or wasn't overtaking from a camera angle. Passed my test 20 years ago but thanks!

[@davievanderzwart9907]

@@NobbyOnCars 13:30 invisible car I guess. Come on, can you at least acknowledge that in Ireland there are many middle lane drivers and this is most likely because there is no motorway lessons or exam questions about this. Strange reaction. Well done on the review, this is very much appreciated. Apologies for the middle lane remark, it’s merely an observation. All the best!

[@robertmarsh3588]

Hopeless tool for long distances. Might be useful in cities but falls well short for those of us that drive 300km a day regularly. Perhaps hydrogen might be a better bet?

[@NobbyOnCars]

Or even an EV that isn’t predominantly a city car I suppose

[@Eric.123]

At the moment electric cars in Ireland are in my opinion useless for today’s working standards. A lot of today’s working people are constantly on the road. The older folks who I’d say are retired is who this car is for. Going to the shops and back or heading to a relative. The car would be fully charged for whenever they needed them short journeys and they don’t need to worry about filling up with petrol/diesel. They save even more money to give to the grandkids!

[@MiniEggs1999]

and in five years when the battery will only take 80% of the new charge the motorway round trip limit will be 120 km ish. So drive for an hour and charge for two. Pointless. as for fuel savings and EV in terms of fuel cost does the equivalent to about 80mpg. so yes better than ICE but it will take a very long time to get 18 grand back

[@NobbyOnCars]

They do give an 8 year warranty on the battery, I should point that out. Thanks for commenting though, all valid points.

[@MiniEggs1999]

@@NobbyOnCars Yes they do because they have done the maths. If you go 100 miles every a charge then 1000 charges is 100,000 miles. Average 12000 miles a year 8 years 96000 miles. You charge your phone every day and in 3.5 years the battery is toast and is the same fundamental tech. They hide it a bit with reserve cells to replace bad ones as the pack wears but they can't beat the laws of physics and chemistry. I know there are million km Teslas .... but they must have a very long wire ....

[@timaustin2000]

@@MiniEggs1999 80% after 5 years is nonsense, though - no offence. There are 40kw Zoes that have done 250,000 miles (423000km) that are still on 95% state of charge - and a Zoe doesn't have a liquid-controlled battery management system like the Corsa. EV battery degradation is overblown and over-hyped. Most - and we're talking 90% or so - cars are on the road for a maximum of 12 years. If you got one of these below 85% by that time you'll have been treating it poorly. Battery degradation with LiIon cells is NOT linear. "is the same fundamental tech" - but it isn't. At all. The chemistries are wildly different and most phones have no management systems for their batteries (unless you get a Sony). EVs heat, cool and buffer their batteries to prolong life in a way phone batteries simply don't do. It's an extremely poor comparrison.

[@alanlaidler1566]

@@timaustin2000 just spent the last 6 months revising which is the best car to get when I do the transfer from manual teaching as an instructor to an automatic,might as well go all electric I thought( I’m in England, more chargers) had some doubts,but after nearly trawling the whole internet I’ve just bought the elite nav premium 11kw,for £25,444, I was using £400 a month on fuel in my diesel micra,your comments helped me as I looked up what you had wrote👍🏻 my car nearly pays for itself in the 5 yrs I have it on finance,thanks for the heads up,all be it a year later🤣👌🏻👍🏻🤞🏻

[@yeomanie]

Lots of EV jargon used, luckily I have researched already and can follow! Sorry but this review is not for me.

[@NobbyOnCars]

Lots of EV jargon?! It’s an EV 🤣🤣

[@Mr.Deeds.]

You should not charge it over 80%....!!

[@AndyRBL]

this.. review.... made.... me... sleepy... because he.... talks................ so slow..

[@NobbyOnCars]

👋🏻

[@enchantress7940]

A lot of cars throttle off between 70-80. Most people only rapid charge to 70-80% on the road. In my opinion I don’t think EV’s are quite there yet in terms of real usable range, even at 80%. More suited for short distance trips. Wouldn’t want to road trip in one. Better off with a plug in hybrid or hybrid if your budget doesn’t stretch that much. You get the combustion engine to fall back on