Nobody is building this Server...

[@t1merickson]

Server cost: $18 SSDs cost: $18,000

[@RaidOwl]

Lmao not far off

[@MarcBehar]

but in 10 years when those drives have 0.1% life left they will be on ebay for almost affordable!

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@MarcBehar that's businness grade SSD so endurance is on a different planet and are often replaced well before the drive itself is expended. Current 10+ year old businness SSDs on ebay are on the 70-80% life left

[@BringNightmares]

Check refurbished/recertificated sellers, allot cheaper

[@MarcBehar]

I know, it was just a joke - servethehome have a great vid on how ppl overthink SSD wear with enterprise drives

[@Solkre82]

There is a place for overkill in the tech industry. And it's in bald men's KZbin videos.

[@naotomuramasa178]

Solidigm drives use less power... it's been 6 days, I should probably shower

[@ChromeBookChuck]

That’s the rule

[@Sumguysazz]

Bros dropping bars

[@saulgoodman1390]

This is the server equivalent to the guy who puts a $20000 stereo in his old Datsun

[@jarman365]

You forgot the $5000 rims, $3000 brembo brakes, $2500 suspension, $15000 RB swap, $10000 paint job, but all the bodywork was Bondo and the floorboards are still rusted through 😆

[@infi84]

I mean, my server is almost like that, only it's 8x SATA SSDs in a single 5.25" ... cause you know, no normal person can afford these nvme drives.

[@Monarchias]

If I can ask what you use? I have some spare 5,25 bays to fill up with storage.

[@LemmingOverlord]

@@Monarchias probably an Icydock ExpressCage MB038SP-B with 8x SATA SSDs, with a decent motherboard or a SATA HBA PCIe card inside. I have an Icydock 4x 2.5" version, because I put SAS drives in them and they get quite warm. SATA SSDs are quite "hollow" inside, so they have some volume of air to keep them cool. In retrospect I should've done the same as @infi84

[@infi84]

@@Monarchias I use a Fantec MR-SA1082

[@markmonroe7330]

Excellent presentation. Thank you. Thanks for the tip on IcyDock. That said, I was actually looking at some Solidigm U.2 drives after reading about the new Minisforum MS-A2 that has a U.2 slot at PCIe 4 x4.

[@pippofranco32]

**builds a server with a RAID of NVMes with enough bandwidth to probably satisfy a f-ing datacenter** **shares the folder through 2.5Gbit Ethernet**

[@RaidOwl]

Next time we’re going 100Mbit

[@tomaskner9537]

@@RaidOwl I wanna see that 😆

[@LtdJorge]

Tbh, a direct connection of 40Gb or even 100Gb is kinda cheap nowadays. The problem is having a switch in between.

[@Cloudykins08]

Yes indeed. Nobody is building this server because we don't have companies 'Graciously' sending us drives to use in our builds.

[@robertt9342]

Well he technically doesn’t either as he can’t keep them.

[@michaelharbuck3314]

Yeah I have to agree with robertt9342 o that one. I like videos and build my own stuff too... but theres no way in Hades anyone watching can afford these drives. So basically an infomercial.

[@ramonrodrigueziv1742]

Cry about it

[@RaidOwl]

So wait…I can’t make videos about cool stuff unless everyone can afford it?

[@michaelharbuck3314]

@@RaidOwl sir you can make any video you want to. funny, my infomercial comment disappeared?? I had to scrounge and e-dupster-dive for a year to assemble my 25 disk nas. All you had to do was brown nose. cool.

[@GldisAter]

"Why" was not my immediate question. How did you afford that much SSD space was my immediate question.

[@MaxTheDog167]

The answer is he didn't lol, but it looks like it was fun!

[@seanunderscorepry]

"100% reason to remember the name", nice chumbawumba reference. I caught that one

[@theatermusic87]

That was fort minor

[@thedeejlam]

For the m.2 adapter, look instead for one with a redriver, etc. and a cable that can handle PCIe 4 speed (or 5) for stability with U.2 or U.3 drives.

[@romayojr]

"It would be SO FUNNY if you built a server with feet pics...and sent them to "Tim"..hahahaha"

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

If you don't want to settle for 2.5" SSD or U.2 drives, you can always splash $40,000 for a single ExaDrive EDDCT100, which has 100 TB packed in a 3.5" format.

[@sinisterpisces]

That case/board and a SAS/SATA IcyDock enclosure with an HBA and 10 GbE card would be the perfect Proxmox Backup Server build that I've been dreaming of. :) My J6005 Pentium Silver-based PBS needs an update, even if it only consumes 15 w or so. :P …Honestly, that case might be my favorite thing in this video. It's like a DIY Dell Optiplex SFF. This was fun, even if it did enable me to rebuild my backup server. Thanks!

[@greenprotag]

I feel like SATA SSDs, an encoding GPU, and a 10Gb NIC, could actually make a GREAT deal of practical sense in this build when you have to give back the NVMe

[@greenprotag]

OR... you could get cheap $10 U.2 to NVMe caddies and keep MOST of the same hardware...

[@kettusnuhveli]

I wonder what the SSD temps are like… 🤔 I remember Wendell saying something about U.2 drives choking in those IcyDock bays if you don’t run the fans at full speed.

[@byKOGR]

Thats a "Sleeper Server" :D

[@funkijote]

I read “sleepover server” and thought yup!

[@mistakek]

Loved this video, the absurd nature of the server is comical 😂. BTW the new set looks great.

[@jeremybarber2837]

These builds are right up my ally, keep ‘em coming! I have access to a bunch of nVidia T4s & keep pondering the smallest & cheapest 2U build to throw 4 or so into.

[@kingneutron1]

Thanks!

[@deadlast561]

How did you discover that the motherboard had bifurcation? I don't see it in the specs anywhere

[@RaidOwl]

Different manufacturers are better about their docs. You may have to dig a bit.

[@goddessofwar4955]

That 7600 will software transcode at higher quality with almost no problem several streams. It's strong enough to do it. This is the thing with the AM5. We're hitting a point where higher-quality CPU transcoding is possible because the chips just have the oomph to do it

[@guy_autordie]

There is a french parody of "who want to be a millionaire?" where at one question the 4 answers were A. B. C. (3 possible/wrong) and D. "the answer D". So, my answer is E. Windows 7, the greatest windows of all time.

[@ArturoTabera]

Amen to that!

[@MarcBehar]

I've used those PCIE to Slimsas 8i cards and I would recommend for anything longer than those runs go for the ones with retimers as I was getting tons of errors with cables that were 80cm long

[@vitorladeira9166]

Hello, I'm from Brazil, please make a video on how to set up a cheaper but efficient server to put your programming projects online, but you have to have the Linux Ubuntu operating system and use little energy and the list of parts to be able to search.

[@zaclovespenguins]

I never used hardware transcoding until AV1 came out. I had an M1 Mac Mini running my plex server and 2 AV1 streams would choke it to death, so I upgraded to the M4 Mac Mini since it has support for AV1 and that combined with the better GPU I’ve had it stream 8 AV1 streams. For a Plex/Jellyfin server it’s a 10/10, plus it sips so little power it can stay on my battery backup and I can stream during power outages lol

[@LithiumSolar]

Expensive! But cool little build for a crazy-fast file server.

[@deano153]

Why would you not use truenas on the bottom instead of proxmox? what benefit is that ? Truenas can be a hypervisor also.

[@RaidOwl]

I like Proxmox

[@deano153]

@@RaidOwl Fair... thanks for the reply

[@dukeseb]

thanks for talking about icy dock, ive been looking for something like that

[@chrisumali9841]

Thanks for the demo and info, this is great. Have a great day madman

[@khan.No1]

Next time make a 1 petabyte server with 10pieces of 100 TB exadrive - will cost around 450/550k dollars

[@RaidOwl]

🫠🫠🫠

[@johnnycaps1]

Got the price of the CPU, the Motherboard, the RAM, the 2TB SSD - known, the "Adapter Cards", the power supply. SO Cool....Awesome! Rising EXCITEMENT!! Then - the big let down, OUCH, $20,000 for Nvme drives. Too sad. But still cool. And it's fun to dream.

[@intheprettypink]

I have one of those 4U chassis, with two icy dock 8 x 2.5" bays. They are expensive. I can only imagine getting the modern nvme bays to be waaaaay more expensive. Good case though, but annoying to wire it up with 16 x 2.5" sata and power. Cant imagine what it would look like fully loaded.

[@jackielinde7568]

So... is this how I build my home Steam Library server for all those games I've bought, but never got around to play?

[@LokiCDK]

I like that chassis you showed off. I've been keeping my eye open for a half-height rack on second hand market, and watching consumer desktop rack chassis... I think that one you showed might be the best I've seen if you pair it up with icy dock.

[@chaosfenix]

I think it will be cool as solid state storage gets cheaper and builds like this actually become somewhat normal. You would need to throw in 100G networking though.

[@MaplePengiun]

All that storage behind a single 1Gb nic xD More seriously, I prefer passing an entire HBA through to my TrueNas VM so that way the hot-swap bays connected to the hba go right to TrueNas. I wonder if you had to hotswap one of those drives if proxmox would automatically passthrough the new drive to the VM based on the slot, or if it would see it as a new drive and that new drive would need to be manually passed to the VM.

[@prime_dew]

bruh...i literally forehead palmed when you said hannah montana os

[@writingpanda]

OMG the cut when he's going to explain it... I laughed out loud. So good 💯💯💯

[@akurenda1985]

I'm still waiting on the reason why, though....

[@wallyrogers2371]

If someone sent me these drives, I'd do the same thing. Well, I'd also run off to another country and start my own datacenter, but you do you.

[@JoeStoppinghem]

That is the case of my desktop PC. Can’t use motherboards with right angle SATA ports. Wanted it for a 5.25” optical drive. Also have space for a 6TB HD for daily automated backups.

[@ElmoR.McElroy]

The whole thing is exactly what I need but getting them all together sounds like rocket science😂😂

[@Arian-gm4rx]

You're neck and neck with wolfgang in terms of sass per video and I love it

[@bentheguru4986]

Transcoding, well, I do use it and will be building a new TC server soon. The only piss-off with it is that most applications don't support actual server hardware properly (Xeons, ECC-RAM, network) and use bloody desktop junk. In youir case, a 1RU server with real server hardware coiuld hold that system and that is not new either. The nVME drive slots will be tight.

[@Mr_ToR]

SMB share fom host in unpriviledged container only has read only right? Did you make it writable as well? I wished you showed that as well...

[@shephusted2714]

in a few years prices will drop a bunch - that's where we are going 100tb ftp sites - you can do it with 12 14tb refurb drives for about 1000, with big nvme for cache - plenty fast

[@annebokma4637]

Put an icy dock into that 3,5' bay for that 5th drive 😂

[@sanyr80]

*slaps roof of server* this bad boy can fit so much fucking anime in it

[@lukasyelle4708]

Love the humor in your videos!

[@joshua_lee732]

I dont use portainer because I prefer just using docker compose which gives me WAY more options I'm familiar with than a GUI

[@LiLBitsDK]

had considered a less "extreme" one in an old intel 8300 which has a 5.25" bay and then 4x 8TB 2.5" SATA drives... still hella expensive... for a 24TB array (1 fault drive) those other drives is a bit too pricey for us poor normies and even 24TB useable space might not be enough with the movie collection I have and it is ever growing

[@kiruadark]

Precision about hardware transcoding with AMD iGPU with Plex. It's working pretty well but indeed, HDR content will be washed out. It needs HDR tone mapping which uses CPU (HW transcoding is still used and brings a gain). But for SDR content, it's rocking.

[@FraggleH]

I've been trying to spec out something very similar to this (with much less capacity, obvs) for a while, and that IcyDock module is the thing that kills it everytime. Just can't justify doubling the cost of the whole system before storage purely to have NVMe speeds (and that SAS->Oculink cable isn't cheap either). Which is a shame, because I think once that part in particular has some competition, blazing fast server setups are gonna be in a lot of people's reach.

[@nadtz]

That Icydock bay costs almost as much as my Sliger cx4712. Was interested till I saw the price, for that much I'll get a 3d printer and jank it up instead. Was also really confused why they went oculink but that's a whole different thing. Also at max power those NVME can hit as high as 25w and idle at like 5 so they use more power than spinning rust but with only 4 of them performance per watt is arguably worth it.

[@frankwong9486]

Going to copy the homework and made a slightly Affordable version with old parts 😂 Icydock/ripoff brand 4/6 sata ssd tray , then pcie bifurcation on x16 slot, fill other slot with nvme adaper This thing small enough to hide under table

[@MikeBohde]

I have been using that 4u case for years now. It's pretty good.

[@A77ick]

7:04 Your Schitty KZbin videos? Did you partner with Schitt audio? Can't wait to see your big Schitt Stack!

[@RaidOwl]

Only the finest around here

[@wagnonforcolorado]

It will literally be a Schitt Show! :D

[@MichaelBruceTaos]

I use those In-win cases all the time for business builds.. they are awesome.

[@protox07]

Have a happy new year Raid Owl

[@radeksparowski7174]

the 61,44TB solidigm u.2 costs in europe with tax around 8000 euros for common mortals, they will introduce 122TB version anytime now, no clue about the price though....would love to have a asus flashstore sized thingie with four of them in some raid array for less than a new car

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

If we go by pricing of what's currently out there with that capacity, it most likely will cost around $40,000, which is the price of the ExaDrive EDDCT100 100 TB SSD.

[@radeksparowski7174]

@@BrunodeSouzaLino yup, BUT the exadrive is only sata :-D, the u.2 beasts are nvme with some 7000 read and 3000 write speeds MB/s, with SATA it would be 550 at best......anyhow, multiple ssd makers confirmed m.2 form factor drives for consumer should be introduced in q1 this year in 16TB capacity, hope price drops massively for flash nand....

[@gaua31415]

From experience last month, There is a caveat with an igpu When i received the cpu I found out I could not split the x16 slot into 4x4 lane because the GPU used some, so my 4x m.2 card could not work with it

[@goddessofwar4955]

depends on the board; you must have a B650E to really pull this off, which isn't mentioned, at least in my experience

[@gaua31415]

@goddessofwar4955 my nas has a 3700x with an x570 board. On black Friday there was a pretty amazing deal on a 5700g so I upgraded for the gpu but could not split in 4x4x4x4 anymore

[@goddessofwar4955]

@ Right. Because the 5700g is a PCI-E 3.0 chip and provides less PCI-E lanes; plus the X570 boards aren't often allowing 4x4x4x4x but if you have a 5700g, then PCI-E slot one is automatically reduced to x8 as several lanes are diverted to the iGPU

[@CephasSamwini]

No magnifying glass impression today! I am gutted

[@tmasaitis]

how about a video on following scenario,- hardware truenas scale, with 4 storage drives, 1 nvme for OS, currently in production. need to make backup, install on the same metal proxmox ve, install on proxmox truenas scale in VM format, pass harware HBA adapter to VM, reconnect drives and restore truenas scale previous config with all production data ?

[@iamamish]

Me: "Hi sweetie, just an FYI that I'm building another server" Her: "Oh, can I assume you're going the budget route?" Me: "Oh for sure - I have everything picked out except the storage" Scene: Court room, divorce proceedings

[@haonnoah]

0:30 same explination when my friends ask my why I built a 57TB-Z2 NAS 😅 (as they stream from Plex)

[@oliverolsen620]

$18.000 of SSDs and no irrelevant benchmarks when streaming 1080p videos to Plex ??? Too bad this was released now and not before Christmas, as I now have to wait another 11 months before submitting my list to Santa... 😞 Great video and content..!! Keep up the good work 🙂

[@MrEnyecz]

75W is low? For idle it's waaaaay to much, so I hope it's not idle.

[@coletraintechgames2932]

I have an extremely good question 0:30

[@RaidOwl]

Yes

[@coletraintechgames2932]

@RaidOwl :-)

[@truenetgmx]

75w power consumption... doing what? idle? low load? full load? interested because right now my full homelab consume 75w - wonder if upgrade is worth it

[@RoloSolis81]

The Silverstone CS380 or CS382 could help you make a ridiculous all icy dock accessories video!

[@ferdinandbardamu3945]

I can’t believe you don’t even have a hdd to cache that array

[@howyoudoin2069]

I love the unapologetic - just cause I can. It is what it is. Fun! 😂

[@cd819]

What is the idle power usage ?

[@kirksteinklauber260]

The barrier of entrance is the cost of high capacity of NVMe and SSD drives 😢

[@RaidOwl]

Truuuuu

[@TheMatthewLedbetter]

I wasn't expecting a Fort Minor callout in a Tech YT Video, but here we are :D

[@RaidOwl]

Welcome to 2025

[@samserious1337]

Serious question: what do we need that much storage at home for? I can't even max out my 1TB internal ssd.

[@RaidOwl]

Porn

[@BringNightmares]

My current film/footage etc is already growing faster, only 16TiB now, but yeah gotta expand

[@samserious1337]

@@BringNightmares what are u filming?

[@markshaz8691]

Do you know if the controller and drives work with Unraid.

[@RaidOwl]

Yes

[@AizenJoestar42]

it’s so unfortunate that pcie bifurcation is not fully implemented on consumer intel CPU, amd video transcoding is not that good compared to intel. even with AM4 cpu, the bifurcation only supported x8x4x4 with an integrated graphics APU, but was working with a CPU without integrated graphics.

[@darthkielbasa]

Look at the big brain on Brad all NVME 150 TB

[@chrislowe8085]

my unraid box is this CPU AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core @ 3400 MHz overkill 64gb DDR4 X570S AORUS ELITE mobo with dual NVME WD red 500GB 40TB of hhd space with Nvidia Quadro P400 for Plex transcoding with 40TB of hhd space. Sort of an overkill build but my old Ryzen 5 1600 was having problems so I upgraded to this. :)

[@kostaz13]

Of course, I only use hannah montana os for my home lab setup.

[@chrisradtke]

I was really hoping you were gonna show how to make Hannah Montana OS into a powerful VM host.

[@RaidOwl]

One day

[@fivoasia64]

@@RaidOwl Use the Wrecking Ball video of her floating around on the Internet as inspiration. :)

[@iham1313]

picking a 45or even more bay 4u server with - for starters - a few good ol rust drives would be cheaper, more extendable and therefore a better and sustainable solution. price and power consumption of those u2 30tb drives is ... well; high.

[@BringNightmares]

The TempleOS is such a nerdy reference xD

[@RaidOwl]

Guilty

[@BringNightmares]

@@RaidOwl At least we are one of the few that still remember that ... thing.... xD

[@deechvogt1589]

Fun and intresting. Loved it!

[@carlostavaresjr958]

Cool build. I would have done KVM over proxmox but still nice build!

[@vorlock7149]

good old F-Stab... stabbing files... makes way more sense than F-S-Tab for FileSystemTable xD

[@RaidOwl]

F-stab sounds so much cooler

[@gamergamer2990]

virtualizing truenas is pain i used it for two two year it was full of bug and error which is took too much time so i decide to end it today for good

[@theWSt]

"I went with Hannah Montana OS" 😂😂😂

[@sepheronx]

I was about to build a PC with exact same case and the drive bay.....

[@jvebarnes]

Isn't a U.2 drive just 2 NVME SSD's in an enclosure pretending to be a SATA drive?

[@StaK_1980]

5:55 - Bro, I'd watch you getting through TempleOS XD edit: also - Fort Minor - remember the name .

[@Yuriel1981]

Ok but now I want that Icydock expansion server..... running on hannahmontanaOS.

[@RaidOwl]

Lol that would be wild

[@justADeni]

I wish they let you keep them

[@Innocentdarkness72]

cool video , good weekend !!!

[@msolace580]

we dont build it because we aren't sponsored to make it for free. money printer doesn't go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at home....

[@DoubleGreatRock]

I agree with your reasoning on why entirely.

[@RaidOwl]

It was hard to put into worfs

[@stevecummings3591]

HA! Nice Fort Minor references. 🤣

[@dawn1berlitz]

i could never afford those SSD'sand for a media nad backup server project those would be overkill