Dude I’m so bored of listening to KZbinrs pushing products .. this was a really good idea and was well described and presented. Thank you!
@haydenc27428 ай бұрын
IKR...what would be awesome...even if HH did decide to show a few "shill" gimmes...do a comparison of "DIY or BUY" like GreatScott! (YT) does for electronic trinkets and stuff... Showcase the sponsored stuff right next to something "equivalentish" he built himself... HH willingness to try and keep it "homelabber friendly" unlike some of these other bozos is what sets him apart! And why we appreciate him so much!
@evildoervoltaire6668 ай бұрын
Definition of cereal: ce·re·al noun a grain used for food, such as wheat, oats, or corn. a grass producing a cereal grain, grown as an agricultural crop. "low yields for cereal crops" a breakfast food made from roasted grain, typically eaten with milk. "a bowl of cereal"
@SlightlyTechnical8 ай бұрын
he wouldnt have to push products ,if youtube stopped coming up with weak reasons to steal ad revenue from creators
@tim31728 ай бұрын
He "pushes" several products in this video: The LSi HBA, the eVGA 650 watt, the Add2PSU adapter, not just 80 mm fans... Redux Noctua fans, etc.
@JFat51588 ай бұрын
@@tim3172thats not pushing lol. There was no push or emphasis on choosing the specific brand of those products, just grabbed what he needed and also advised of alternatives with no shilling for specific brands.
@MarcoGPUtuber8 ай бұрын
Hardware Haven also built his own KZbin channel. It's great!
@HardwareHaven8 ай бұрын
Also a bit janky
@jburnash8 ай бұрын
@@HardwareHaven 🤟
@DrDipsh1t8 ай бұрын
@@HardwareHavenif it was anything but, I wouldn't be here 😂and the opening titles you come up I always enjoy
@UndyingShadow838 ай бұрын
I have 24 drives in 3 stacks of 8 like this, running off two 16e HBAs passed through proxmox to a TrueNAS core VM. It works without issue. I did the exact same as the video with individual fan-out cables and SATA power expanders. The whole thing is cooled by a big ol box fan that keeps room temp.
@HardwareHaven8 ай бұрын
That's awesome!
@Todrak8 ай бұрын
Why proxmox to truenas vm and not just truenas?
@UndyingShadow838 ай бұрын
@@Todrak I got other VMs I run on that machine.
@worldking3488 ай бұрын
Did thou know thou can use a expander card to easily multiply thine ports? It lets thou use up to 512 drives at least on the 4 port hba I hast.
@guiorgy8 ай бұрын
@@worldking348cool, but y do u speak that wae?
@treypop1238 ай бұрын
When ever I research something like this 90% of the time I get people telling me not to do this. I'm glad to see this video cuz it makes me confident I can do this with out to many problems
@haydenc27428 ай бұрын
With processor speeds able to handle MUCH more IO ops, setting up software raid is actually faster than some of the 90's hardware raid compatible hardware... Just imagine ZFS parity computations on a AMD K6-2 (or a pentium 4)...LOL
@Elkarlo778 ай бұрын
@@haydenc2742 There was a big leap with the Softraids in the 00's. Then it became viable to make it on Pentium III or Athlon as Servers. Using Softraids for your own Machine became viable with the Athlon X2 Family as most Programs were still single tasked. For intel it was the C2D Series. The HT Processors were not realy good at Softraid and Gaming. I tried Softraid on my Athlon XP 3000+ and went back to the Hardware Raid controller, as 10-15% CPU Performance on a Single Core is a big sacrifice. But it was much less power then earlier.
@stevesteve80988 ай бұрын
@@haydenc2742 nothing to do with CPU speeds...... , it is PATHWAYS..... that is why companies still buy servers, specifically becasue of the way he pathways are structured.... like all these clowns randomly sticking in 10GB optical connectors..., if they took time to actually READ the diagnostics from the cards..... they would see the pathways are saturated and the cards are throttling. Also like people saying well i checked and the temp is fine..... What they really mean is they have not understood the real issue and function of the systems..., you have to power cool these drives, becasue under specific circumstances they can suddenly have a 10-20 deg rise in temp in a matter of minutes. And many of these drives are speced at 50 deg and they die... or disable, manufacturers firmware. So you might be happily wanking off about what a wonderful job you did, and suddenly the drives start to heatup and before you have time to throw on extra fans the internal head coils have expanded and crashed the heads or twisted the drives. It's not about building system by throwing shite together......... any clown can do that... any clown can build a working system from working parts... but if you suddenly have a single drive failure and the system then has to start recovering data from every drive to rebuild & reconstructing the data in real time... then suddenly you can have a very very bad and expensive day.... as you hammer the head coils... I have systems that have been running 8 years 24/365..... are way way over the 50,000hours MTBF and have zero errors... zero bad blocks, and no disconnects.
@p03588 ай бұрын
With such PCIe card in HBA/IT mode it's actually 100% fine. What people advise against is using USB connections for this. You could also put some rubbers etc. around screws and on ground to counteract vibrations.
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktenaАй бұрын
@@p0358 inb4 someone reads that wrong and use actual condoms
@romanrm18 ай бұрын
Maybe too obvious, but remove the internal 400W PSU, and put the 650W one in there to handle everything (PC and JBOD).
@HardwareHaven8 ай бұрын
You know, I thought of that.... as I was editing 🤦♂️ The jankiness was worth it for the video though haha
@Kambayusa8 ай бұрын
@@HardwareHavenlenovo using its own connector from the psu to the mainboard. its not regular ATX 24pin, its more like ATX12VO.
@guiorgy8 ай бұрын
This is assuming there's no proprietary bs connection between that PSU and motherboard
@romanrm18 ай бұрын
@@guiorgy from markings on the side seems to be a standard FSP power supply.
@Andy-fd5fg8 ай бұрын
You can adapt the connector... i have a lenovo m92 sff board transplanted into an atx tower running off a standard atx psu
@nadtz8 ай бұрын
Only thing missing is the supermicro backplane to clean up the cabling. I did something similar to this a while ago and I thought the fans would be overkill, ends up they were useful when actually doing large copies from my workstation. Used that setup for a couple years just because I was proud I'd built it myself.
@germanenriquezillescas94218 ай бұрын
did any of the disks die because of vibration?
@nadtz8 ай бұрын
@@germanenriquezillescas9421 no, didn't have any of them die and I still have the drives even though they currently are not in use.
@TomR4596 ай бұрын
Supermicro backplane?
@nadtz6 ай бұрын
@@TomR459 Are you asking what a supermicro backplane is?
@orangewhipster2 ай бұрын
FYI, just built my own copy of this. Love it, love doing DIY, fit exactly what I needed. I decided to just use the internal PS of the server PC (an old gaming PC) and its just fine.
@truckerallikatuk8 ай бұрын
With the price of the prebuilt jbod enclosures, this is a very good option. Another good option is a real server case if you have space. I got my 4u case for £400, and spend another £30 on a trio of Arctic P12max fans to get a quieter build. This one has 24 front drive bays, and works great.
@flamixin7 ай бұрын
I have exactly the same thought. A 4U case will take less space than a external hdd caddy.
@jamescampbell67287 ай бұрын
I wish it was more common to to sell JBOD enclosures that look like a PC case, but don't use USB and just expose sata connectors on the back
@OrigaZuku8 ай бұрын
10:20 Lifehack: instead of cutting a support bracket - you can bend it in or out, that increases gap to really shove any connectors through. I've got Graphics card through razor connector in a very slim PC and because of that I was forced to connect to card's ports inside the case. So I bent bracket, thrown DVI through and bent it back.
@arsenalfanatic098 ай бұрын
a lot of libraries have 3d printers available, you might be able to make drive sleds for that acrylic enclosure. Or get a friend with a 3d printer. The biggest life-hack for getting cheap components is knowing people. I learned where the cast-off computers go for some departments in my university and you're allowed to just walk in and go picking, but it's also a slight secret.
@Elkarlo778 ай бұрын
There are good user friendly 3D Printers around which are inexpensive. The biggest Problem is to avoid the Cheap Printers which needs lot of knowledge to run well. My Advise at the Moment: Bambu Lab A1 Not the Combo with color changer, the simple A1. Very good Printer easy setup and prints out of the Box very good prints. While Printers like the Creality Ender 3 V2 Neo or Anycube Cobra 2 are cheaper, they need lot of more knowledge of printing and especially mantaining those. Rebuilding one of those ATM.
@AlexeiTetenov4 күн бұрын
Consider asking your university friends when they plan to replace an entire lab of pc's, so that you can score the best of what's being swapped out, and maybe even 2 of them.
@tomdillan8 ай бұрын
I did this with an Amazon stainless 4x hard drive cage with a 120mm fan. Added a thin mini itx motherboard with dc power supply on a sheet of plexiglass with a female sata power to 4x sata power.
@Coldfirebe8 ай бұрын
This was a pretty nice idea ! Just make sure to print out the serial numbers and put them on the side so if a drive fails you can end up identifying it easier!
@jumpmaster52798 ай бұрын
There is an other version of this enclosure where, we can mount a psu and it looks like a huge genga block, i am not sure if it was a concept design or what, but i found it cool. I am sure after a few videos, nas bro will find a entire pc case made out of a acrylic panels
@darthkielbasa8 ай бұрын
I love this channel for the tidbits of info you dish out. Like the "add to psu" hickey. I had no idea that type of thing existed and didn't have much luck finding reference points for inspiration. You're providing a positive service to tech humanity. I threw together a JBOD shelf that was full of jank. This was an enjoyable view.
@BringusStudios8 ай бұрын
I built something similar, but it was just... too janky for my liking. I ended up buying a SilverStone CS382 case, it fits a mATX board and has 8 3.5" hot swap bays. It's a fantastic NAS case and solved all my high drive count issues pretty much completely
@Enigma87506 ай бұрын
I loved this episode. I have done things like this for over 10 years and it makes my heart warm to know that builders are still thinking outside the BOX or Case. I loved the idea that you painted the plastic and that you found the Noctua 80 mm fans. Back in the past those 80 mm fans had the sound of an angry bee hive so you did good choosing the Noctua silent 80s. I also found the idea of JBOD since I am running out of drive letters in my home computer. The old Cooler Master modules from the classic computers cases work great for an external mount for drives but those are hard to come by. The plastic on the cheap plastic mounts probably soak up some of the drive noise also. Overall it was a great little modding tutorial for us out of the box guys.
@Larz998 ай бұрын
Thanks for your great videos! You are exploring all the options I've been playing with and helping me make sure I'm looking at lots of options. I've seen these racks on Ali Express for a while but didn't want to have to take it apart to change a drive. For just a few pence per drive more, you could have the drives on rails. Use plywood or MDF panels and screws to form a rigid box. I'd go with 3, top, bottom and middle. A pair of screws/pins/stand-offs on each side of the drive could ride in a slotted acrylic rail attached to the side panel. The drives can slide in and out, and the case is wider by only twice the thickness of the acrylic. A 3rd locking screw could fix the drives into the slots. This allows for vertical or horizontal orientation of the array. I hope some enterprising reader puts out a kit! I'm using a Yottamaster 5-bay, USB-C, 10Gig external enclosure. It identifies each drive by serial number on Unraid on my Asrock Taichi, but not on the little Lenovo minis. The Serial numbers are visible to Proxmox/Truenas on any platform I've tried. (I imagine that's a driver's issue with Unraid.) I've never seen any of the "drop-out" issues described by some posters, whatever drop-outs are. I paid £210 direct from Yottamaster and haven't looked back. It's quiet, cool, and very clean with only the A/C and USB C cable. I'd really like to see a SAS or PCI attachment option on these. I've also used the Icy Dock 4x 2.5 inch drive SATA housing. I used the 4-drive version because it accommodates 15mm drives. The enclosure fits in a 5.25 inch drive bay. I use 4x 5TB notebook drives in a zfs zraid1 array for 15TB net storage. More than I need. Next time, I'll use a zraid2 array for 8T net. Thanks again for your excellent videos and for doing the hard work for the rest of us!
@Standbackforscience7 ай бұрын
This was a great video simply for how it demonstrated the SATA-to-HBA and Add2PSU combination. With that mechanism you can effectively create any DAS of your choosing.
@CorwinPatrick8 ай бұрын
Holy Crap! I just bought this 2 weeks ago. lol Edit: Also, once you went SAS, your connectivity and Stability became infinity better than USB. It's well worth what little you paid for them. Way back, I built a FreeNAS server and used USB to expand. Totally against any recommendation from the FreeNAS Forum. Needless to say those four external boxes eventually bricked. 4x USB = 4x failure rate. I've gone SAS Card with an External open frame using a SAS Expander Card. A Graphics Miner PCIe expander to Power the SAS Card (even though the SAS Expander is an PCIe x4 card, it only uses the power from PCIe, all data is over SAS), and it works like a charm. The SAS Expander does need an Extra fan though, it gets Hot! So I use a 1-Slot Scroll Fan (Used before Graphics Cards regularly had their own Fans).
@TheWolfster0018 ай бұрын
I did something very similar, I used a drop of hot glue to hold the washers (I used silicone washers) in place.. I also just made my own case, I used a metal HD rack as a pattern, and the one you bought is very very close to what I made, I had some plexiglass that was left from a different project. I was able to put 10, 10TB HD's.. I'm going to redo how mine is connected and use the way you did it, the way I did was basically use them as connected external drives.. I also used a separate power supply to power mine too, I had a older one, I repurposed to power my HD's.. I wish you had this video out 4 months ago.. Thank you for sharing..
@BenjaminBuell8 ай бұрын
I made a similar (but less professional) setup recently. LSI HBA in my Dell R620. HBA off EBay was ~$35 and came with both cables for 8 drives. Currently they live in a pile on top of my server with a box fan cooling them. Powered by a small form factor power supply I pulled from an old Inspiron desktop. Was having issues with a TrueNAS VM so I decided to do ZFS in proxmox directly. It’s been working great. I do plan on getting a proper enclosure made, and you video makes me think laser cutting or CNC might be the best option, especially since my schools shop has both. Love the content, I actually setup my first server (2008 Mac Pro) after watching your video about crafty with CasaOS. Upgraded it basically immediately for more RAM. Paid $210 for a R620 with 2x E5-2680v2 CPUs, and 256gigs of DDR3 from a local shop. My boss gave me eight 2 terabyte HDDs from some of our old servers and a HP 48 port PoE+ gigabit network switch (for a future project)
@BozesanVlad5 ай бұрын
You only need some aluminium/ steel plates and a bunch of holes for hdds
@cffcs7 ай бұрын
I like this idea. I am all for doing stuff like this. I have an old case I used for a workstation, and I made my own 4-drive enclosure, which fits right inside the case. I even made a video of it but have not edited any of it. It has been over a year since I did mine. I think I might throw some of the footage up on my channel one day. Essentially, the enclosure design as it slips right into the existing bay. It is pretty cool.
@hagak16798 ай бұрын
Don't worry about leaving those washers out. They would provide ZERO noise isolation since the screw is still hard connected to the panel and the drive. To provide isolation you cannot have a hard mount between the drive and the panel. Something like those screw grommets you might see would do this, but a washer will not.
@marshallwebber96828 ай бұрын
I love the idea when you already have most of the bits. This is clearly in the realm of "you could...but should you?"
@nestorkropotkin89528 ай бұрын
I have been looking at those JBOD racks for a bit, thanks for making this video! On the issue of the fan brackets on the back, if you use IPS Weld-On 16 cement on one side when you have screwed in one side of the drives it is MUCH easier to assemble. You can add cement to the other side after the rack is fully assembled for additional stability.
@jburnash8 ай бұрын
There's something quite endearing when you've done a DIY and it all "just works (tm)". I guess that's because you've done it yourself, it's non-trivial to put together and get all the right components ... and it's yours. If you've saved money - even better 😎 I think video like this inspire us tired everyday Sysadmins to pick ourselves up and do some cool tech for ourselves - and if this was mostly built out of "stuff I had lying around", the cost would be very little. Thanks - another good idea! As for what to do with it now that it's assembled, up and running ... maybe make it available over you 10Gb connection(s) as an iSCSI host that allows other systems to mount the storage remotely (that is what we do with VMs at work).
@HardwareHaven8 ай бұрын
Thanks! I love hearing that these videos are at least entertaining if not slightly inspiring, especially for people that work in IT. Also thanks for the idea!
@notune4248 ай бұрын
Your comment is 1 day before ?!?!?!?!?!?
@CorwinPatrick8 ай бұрын
@@notune424 KZbinrs regularly publish content early for Patreons or Subscribers. The Time Stamp would therefore be before the Live Publish, since KZbin doesn't force them to re-upload content.
@jburnash8 ай бұрын
@@notune424 I'm a channel supporter - we get early access 😃
@notune4248 ай бұрын
Oh thanks@@CorwinPatrick
@marcogenovesi85708 ай бұрын
If you want to make a bigger JBOD enclosure you can also get a SAS expander (to mount in the JBOD enclosure) and a SAS card with only 2 external ports. You need A LOT of mechanical drives to saturate 8 SAS 6gbit channels.
@hotswapster8 ай бұрын
This comment is as useful as finding out eSATA comes with and without multiplexing...thanks for the tip. I'll be looking for an expander!
@marcogenovesi85708 ай бұрын
@@hotswapster Sata multiport/multiplexing is not reliable and has limitations (and not all controllers support it). If you want to do a multiplexing setup you should go SAS and use expanders, it is stable and there it's more or less plug and play.
@marcogenovesi85708 ай бұрын
@@hotswapster I mean SAS cards and SAS expanders, you can use Sata drives with that, no problem. Just DO NOT use Sata port multipliers
@faisalnafees84138 ай бұрын
I have added this acrylic piece on my wishlist for quite sometime. I'm glad i found your video. I'll be doing this jbod thing once i get to this point in future. Thanks for this amazing video
@T3hBeowulf8 ай бұрын
In a past life, I used an erector set to group pairs of drives together in a stack. These days, there are external single bay metal enclosures sold in pairs on Amazon for $6. They hold a drive with integrated rubber mounts and have a provision on the front for screws. They slide and lock together for easy stacking and come in power-coated black out of the box. I picked up 4 bays for my NAS as an external mirror and I only turn it on for weekly archives.
@xSpaceDementia8 ай бұрын
Can you please provide a product link to the stackable enclosures you're referring to?
@AlistairBrugsch8 ай бұрын
Got a search term for those? I've only seen these acrylic ones
@T3hBeowulf8 ай бұрын
@@AlistairBrugsch I think the link is causing the comment to be suppressed. Naturally, the cages I bought are out of stock and going for exorbitant prices now. As requested, here is the listing title: Phanteks - Stackable 3.5" HDD Bracket Duo Pack Cases PH-HDDKT_03
@xSpaceDementia8 ай бұрын
@@T3hBeowulf I found the product. How do you stack them?
@T3hBeowulf8 ай бұрын
@@xSpaceDementia They slide together on rails and lock in place with a spring tab. You can stack as many as you want.
@TheQuickSilver1018 ай бұрын
I think that's pretty awesome! Not only do you save a few bucks and have a fun little DIY project but you don't limit compatibility as you mentioned that so many of the USB enclosures do. I ran into that with USB enclosures repeatedly and it's a huge headache. If I were you I'd keep it and use it. You built it and although it may be a bit janky it looks pretty slick if you keep it facing front. Thanks!
@HardwareHaven8 ай бұрын
"if you keep it facing front" 😂
@4bl0xx308 ай бұрын
It’s funny that in the last few days I experienced the same problem. I want to build a little NAS with 8 HDD’s but there is no ITX case available with enough space. And I also don’t want a big case. I really had an eye on the Jonsbo N3. But I can’t buy it anywhere. So I concluded I have to go DIY. My two requirements were all HDD’s internal and it has to be a cube. So I build a little ITX cube frame from metal where I can mount my board, psu, all 8 HDD’s on anti-vibration mounts and fans for the board and the storage. And then I build a acrylic glass shell for my frame. Looks actually not that bad and very clean. And because I love cube cases I just have to like it.
@LordSaliss8 ай бұрын
If you want a bunch of HDDs but don't want to add a whole second PSU to power them, Corsair sells a little $30 unit that takes a PCI-E 12v power input and sends out 20ampsa of 5v power for connecting a bunch of drives to. Basically expanding the 5v rail a bunch of the one PSU you have.
@user-pc9th4xr6i8 ай бұрын
What is it called?
@LordSaliss8 ай бұрын
@@user-pc9th4xr6i Corsair +5v Load Balancer. You can run 8 HDDs off each unit and it only pulls from the 12v rail of the PSU instead of the 5v rail. So no more worrying about 5v load ratings. 1PCI-E cable in, 8 HDD SATA power plugs out. Looks like the price went up to $40 now, so I guess try and find them on sale when they go back down to $25-30
@LordSaliss8 ай бұрын
@@user-pc9th4xr6i My reply keeps getting deleted for some reason. Sorry. Just try and search for Corsair Load Balancer
@LordSaliss8 ай бұрын
Ive tried typing things out 3 different ways now and my reply keeps getting deleted. Sorry
@NiHaoMike648 ай бұрын
@@user-pc9th4xr6iIt's a buck converter, just a bit expensive for what it is. Cheapest solution is to use an older PSU that's rated for something like 30A on the 5V, those were popular for Perk mining back in the days to power up dozens of cheap smartphones.
@claylinco8 ай бұрын
This is the kind of stuff I’m here for!! Legit affordable options and totally thinking outside of the box (or case in this matter)! Love it.
@Brian_Buckley8 ай бұрын
This is OUTSTANDING! I have also been struggling with storage, i use an older HTPC case for a NAS/PLEX server with TrueNas Core (terrified to swap to Scale) I am using a 7th gen i5 Commercial Matx board, with 16gb ram, the case has room for roughly 6 drives, but with some ingenuity was able to use some single Drive enclosures and some extra Metal slot covers and Pop rivited the enclosures to the slot covers and BAM! Two more secure Drive bays in the unused space where a full ATX board would be! I will say for your solution, you may have been able to power those drives with a MUCH smaller PICO power supply or even a used OEM SFF PSU for much cheaper! Just a thought! Drives don't need all that power! with a few molex adapters you are golden!
@naomie26808 ай бұрын
About a pico PSU, I have some doubts it's actually safe. When starting up, some drives can pull over 30W, so you'd need a pico psu that's still able to handle 240W at peak (for a few seconds). You can counter that with staggered spinup, but that's more complex, and you can't use that if you put your drives to sleep after some time. Also, you need about 1A (constant) on the 5V per drive, and I'm not sure that those pico PSUs can handle a constant 8A (40W) on the 5V as they provide it through a little converter
@LeadinLP8 ай бұрын
This was really good bud. I think people who tinker with things like TrueNAS and Unraid have the DIY bug and are going to gravitate to something like this. It’s a great way to keep going when you’ve run out of space… like me 😂
@MasonzeroDigitalWorks8 ай бұрын
I actually did something slightly differerent to get my drives into my case. I have a MicroATX case (Thermaltake Versa H18) with a MicroATX mobo. It has a power supply shroud, but no drive bays (just places to screw in some drives). I bought a 5-drive hard drive cage that is supposed to fit in a 5x 5.25-inch bay, I think. Then I just used double-sided tape to attach it to the top of my PSU shroud at the front of the case. The case and this cage and perfectly sized so that the cage and drives don't interfere with the motherboard, and they fit with the case's side panel on. They also get easy access to air from the front panel. This won't work in every case, but it was perfect for my scenario! And since this was internal, I was able to easily connect each drive with SATA cables directly to the motherboard.
@VainGames8 ай бұрын
I love DIY solutions like this. Many of us don't have the budget for enterprise hardware. This is very helpful.
@kingneutron18 ай бұрын
Thanks! Don't tear it down, you put all that labor into building and filming, use it as a backup target. Veeam or AOMEI will bare-metal backup and restore your Windows to VM and you can restore over Samba.
@HardwareHaven8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the thanks haha. Sorry it took so long for me to see it.
@VincentdeKoning8 ай бұрын
You don't believe this! I was actively preparing a similar JBOD. But I go for an old PC case. The small chip to to switch the powerblok on was new to me. Thank you for this cool video!
@marcogenovesi85708 ай бұрын
You can also us a paperclip or a metal wire to bridge two pins in the 24pin ATX PSU connector (look up a pinout diagram). That's all the switch does, closes a contact between the two wires, to signal the PSU to turn on
@VincentdeKoning8 ай бұрын
@@marcogenovesi8570 i believe this one does a bit more. It only goes on if the pc is on. Nothing fancy but still pretty cool!
@ROFLMAOwithExtraCheese8 ай бұрын
If you are using a seperate case check out the Supermicro CSE-PTJBOD-CB1 JBOD Power Board. A little bit more costly than the solution in the video but enabling the power button makes it easier to move the case between systems.
@V1N_5748 ай бұрын
For the ppl that don't have 3d printers you can still look for an STL file of this rack or any other hdd rack that fits your needs and send it over to a 3D printing service company which will print it and send it over to you. You could choose color, material type and other customisations on many of this companies. Some aren't cheap though.
@JamesMusicCo8 ай бұрын
Im running everything on a DIY Zimaboard NAS with 2 Harddrives in a woodworking diy case. This is exactly what I was looking into to add more drives. Thanks!
@fwiler8 ай бұрын
It's amazing how big the market is for storage, yet there is so few solutions that work well. That includes m.2, sata ssd, and mechanical drives. I've got a half dozen ssd's and another of nvme drives just sitting here from upgrades done in the past. I would love to be able to buy a product to hook them up to my server for storage that wasn't usb. I like that you found a solution to the power issue that normally plagues users with external storage needs.
@bradwicks54388 ай бұрын
Very pro way of DIYIing them, of which I had previously wondered about a best approach to using those open drive holders. Thanks for showing the best way to do it.
@lucianoaguero67956 ай бұрын
I've always liked your diy solutions for home use, ever since that diy server nas board video you made in the beginning. If you ever get a 3d printer, I'd put some kinda panels for the front and rear of the jbod.
@thetruemorg8 ай бұрын
I think this is a really great solution because of the expandability. True nas + a little bit older computer that can handle the data transfer has so much more appeal to me than $1,000 16 bay nas. If you don't need instant access but want to be able to store a bunch of old videos, that's such an easy way to have all the hard drives with all the old stuff on it that you can just stick in the closet in a very organized kind of way. It looks like it's a bit annoying with the screws and washers and the cable management, but it's definitely a worthwhile endeavor. That's very expandable. Love the videos
@WhoWatchesVideos2 ай бұрын
Man, as someone who doesn't hoard data but does have a 3D printer... this is making me want to start hoarding data.
@SomeGuyInSandy8 ай бұрын
I've built two 12 bay JBODs using used SuperMicro gear I bought on eBay. The first one was kind of tough because i wasn't sure which cables and adapters to use, but the second one was a breeze! Not including drives, I have 24 slots for under $500.
@alexa-n-gramps2 ай бұрын
Have you considered placing it in an old/unused tower or mid-tower PC case? My grandfather is designing a similar JBOD and we have several old tower cases. He's thinking of doing something simialr to what you did, except he'll be mounting it all in an old tower case and running the cables out of the back of the case into the back of our main PC. Oh, and his thinking of putting those 5-8" USB powered "personal" fans inside the case for added air flow! Could be a great DIY project and video for the future. Enjoyed the DIY!
@donankeny50138 ай бұрын
Nice build! A way cheaper but very reliable way to remote the second PSU is a relay with a 12 or 5 V trigger. With the NO and C outputs on the relay hooked to the 2nd PSU's power on pin and ground. The trigger is obvious, any spare 12V or 5V connector from the first PSU. Been using this method for my Hotswappable cages on my NAS for years without a hiccup.
@bader515008 ай бұрын
You can make the acrylic enclosure a bit taller and put the PSU in the bottom, and you can use an IEC Y splitter to reduce the power cables to one instead of two (one for each PSU). Also, there are many cheap fan controller boards with thermal probe to controller the fans' speed, I think that will make it a bit quiter while it's idle
@simplexicated8 ай бұрын
Great video, I actually made something like this myself recently apart from I did not end up using some acrylic kits. I had some spare 3mm plywood lying around and I must say if you have the means to cut it straight and pre-drill the mounting holes after you have spray painted it it can do just as good a job as those acrylic kits you bought from China. You did a great job my only comment and advice would be you can purchase far smaller power bricks which provide 12 volts and up to 9 amps which would be more than enough to power all of those drives meaning you could ditch the pc power supply but you'd lose the power on functionality. You could then mount one of these power bricks to the side or top of the case. Most of them use barrel jacks but they sell converters. Even hanging out the back but more clean. Great work, keep it up Edit: P.S I also own one of those sabrent x4 2.5" enclosures and they are indeed trash, why companies wish to hide drive serials and labels with they're own name and branding is a mystery to me.
@williammeredith21825 ай бұрын
Hey! Just wanted to thank you for putting this video together. I followed it almost exactly and just got it online today! 35TB of usable storage running TrueNas Scale!
@haydenc27428 ай бұрын
See...now THIS is what I'm talking about!!!! Within reach of the home lab, and most peoples pocketbooks! Keep em coming!!!!
@marcogenovesi85708 ай бұрын
I've tried all sorts of external enclosure, USB is often flaky when loaded and USB hubs are trash and often just reset when you are writing to multiple drives. Yes everything had its own power brick, this is just controllers hanging and resetting. SAS cards and sas expanders are turnkey and rock-solid, and in most cases much cheaper than large USB enclosures
@patrickprafke48948 ай бұрын
I found this exact thing on Ebay 3 years ago. I got the 8 bay version. So, here is a few pointers from my experience. If you use "Cooler Master Dual SSD" adapter. You just double your 8 or 10 drive to 16 or 20. I have 16 ssd's in my truenas core box. You will have to drill the holes out in the ssd tray and sides to use pc case fan screws. And the 4 holes in the ssd tray may not always line up. Sometimes your stuck using 3. Or just make the holes slightly bigger and just start the screws first. Don't fully tighten until you have them all started. Also, if you want to get creative like I did. You can bend some aluminum sheeting i got from my local hardware store. and 120mm fans fit perfectly behind them. And can even use that side as the bottom. You are just going to need a lot of sata power splitters to get it all to work. But, being ssd's, it's not much poer being drawn. Esp. compared to hdd's.
@kunka5928 ай бұрын
Working on something very similar at the moment. My power solution is to use two different SATA cables from the PSU, and ziptie them as they hang out of a vertical PCI bracket hole in the case so they stick out a few inches and just use SATA power extensions and splitters to power the drives. Currently running 4 drives off one SATA power cable but I'm hoping I can hook up 8 to one without anything melting.
@Gersberms8 ай бұрын
I really like your solution. I've been looking for something similar, and everything out there is expensive & wasteful. But not this! I love the power supply extension and how the HBA works.
@justinc8157Ай бұрын
I've got a double wide Lian Li PC-D600. It's got a whole right side of the case loaded with 5.25 inch bays. I've got 2x 3x5.25 to 4x3.5 bays for a total of 8 3.5 drive bays. I've got 2x 5.25 to 4x 2.5 inch bays for a total of 8 2.5 bays. They're all hot swapable. For the extra SATA ports I used a 9550SXU-12 PCI-X SATA II raid card.
@eljefe7070yt8 ай бұрын
Perhaps adding a mount to the enclosure to hold the PSU? Its a cool DIY idea. Thanks for sharing!
@alex846328 ай бұрын
I second this idea!
@triplerinse8 ай бұрын
Those sata extensions cables work really well for the 3.3 volt problem for shucked drives. You can peel the back cover off and just take the 3.3 volt cable out and put the covers right back on.
@MickeyMishra8 ай бұрын
2:06 I have the SAME 9010. Stuck in two 23TB drives in the same location. Dell is ALL STOCK. Love the fact it has WOL (Just need to set it up properly! ) The plastic drive cages are wonderful, and quiet. and just sits there. Plenty of expansion and speed for hooking up large drives to back up all your old data for the last 25 years or so. Built in Display just means more room for PCI-e add in cards in this simple and quiet well built system. I see you used a Lenovo afterwards after watching the video. WHoops! Anyways, these plastic enclosures are PERFECT if you use some aftermarket hardware bits, and put them inside of an old PC Case. Or even a Mini ITX case as they are easy to gut out.
@Shryp8 ай бұрын
Instead of the SATA power splitter cables you can buy SATA punch down power connectors. You basically can just push more connectors onto your existing cables so you can space them as far apart as you want to cut down on some cable clutter.
@farreach848 ай бұрын
Hey for the washer replacement, you might wanna consider felt tape put on the side of the hdd. Inferior to the silicon/rubber vibration reduction but still can get the job done somewhat (experienced it with my synology nas) and it'll be a bit easier to slide in an out after you have bunch of drives on the said acrylic housing
@apaskiewicz7 ай бұрын
The gray fans look sick AF. Very nice video, I really learned a lot! Thanks for your hard work making these videos. Using a power supply that's 650W at only 65W (about 10% of max) is typically very efficient compared to using a PSU near it's maximum power. Using a second PSU instead of adding those 65W of drives to your 400W lenovo PSU was a very good move.
@plasmar18 ай бұрын
** little handy trick I use, assuming cosmetics is not of major importance, buy a roll of galvanized strapping from homedepot/rona/etc(plumbing/hvac/etc)... stuff is cheap and can cut strips to extend existing drive shelves(can fit it inbetween drives and shelf or screws); stuff is cheap sturdy enough when drives are mounted to it and can be done with minimal effort:)
@keithws798 ай бұрын
I love it! I’ve been tempted to DIY my own enclosure for years, but never took the plunge.
@MrLandslide848 ай бұрын
Glue. Glue the fan bridges to construct the cage first. If it's true acrylic and not a plastic of some kind you have to use acrylic safe glue or solvent to "weld" it. Most CA/Super glue will tint it white, but then again, you can just paint over that. Once it's built w/fans mounted it becomes waaaay more stable.
@nanoflower18 ай бұрын
This is just what I was looking for. I had considered one of those JBOD cases but avoided it because of the cost. Thanks for the information.
@aros23008 ай бұрын
Was just thinking about this! Yesterday I hacked out the 5.25 inch bay separating the two front slots on my p410 (same case, different chipset) for a cheap 3 bay enclosure i wanted to add more drives soon, this video was right on cue! great video :)
@AgentAsteriski8 ай бұрын
I have actually been considering this as an option while shopping for a case for the family... thing... so it's really helpful that this dropped today!
@Digi203 ай бұрын
Totally viable way of doing it, especially when you often play around with the setup. For a cleaner look and a more long time solution you can shop around for an older pc case with a lot of 5.25" bays in the front. up until ~2015 there where many cases around that had the complete height of the front open with those bays. you can either throw in the DIY acrylic rack (even two of those cause you dont populate the mainboard area) or use cheapo bays/adapters to mount the drives. if you want you can even have hotswap racks etc. dirt cheap nowadays cause no one uses this stuff anymore in a professional environment. all cables, power supply etc. can be mounted inside the case. you can even use a slot bracket to convert the external SFF-8644 back to internal connectors for a complete clean and professional setup and make yourself a JBOD case. with a bit of luck you find everything for a very low amount of money, or you pay a bit more and get a high quality enclosure like from LianLi etc.
@LordSaliss8 ай бұрын
I had a Corsair case, cant remember which, but it supported 8 drives by default, and could expand up to 12 with buying another drive bay that bolts into the tower when you remove the 5.25" bays (So 12 tall). When I got past 12 drives, I ended up buying 3 more bays and stacking them onto each other the same as they support, and then drilled a few holes in the bottom of the case and stacked them right next to the other ones (2 stacks of 12). Ended up with a tower that allowed 24 HDDs inside it 😁 When I outgrew that, it was time for a rack and a drive shelf connecting to an HBA. lol
@spokehedz8 ай бұрын
I did a similar thing with two strips of metal, drilling holes and just using drive screws to keep them all in place. The drive screws will work themselves loose after a while, so I put polyimide tape over them to stop that. The strips of metal were some very cheap metal rulers, which had the added benefit of making it easy to mark out the holes evenly spaced. You don't need to use rulers, they were just cheaper than metal strips. Economies of scale, or something, I guess.
@slothnium8 ай бұрын
If you want vibration dampening without the hassle, one thing you can try are silicone grommets for M5, M6, or #6-32 screws. You may need to drill the holes out to a slightly larger size as grommets are supposed to fit inside the hole. Some older cases, particularly Antec, used to come with those. Oh, and one more thing you can do for vibration dampening the entire thing is adding earthquake-resistant gel pads. They are usually clear blue in color, and you should be able to find them at most online stores in the Asia region.
@jimmyscott51448 ай бұрын
If you're looking for 30 printer I do highly recommend the Bambu labs one. They are workhorses and large ish build areas. The app is easy to use and cloud connected and live camera view. Plus if you want to do multi material colors they have those AMS systems. They aren't really cheap but for what you get I have been very happy with my X1 carbon
@HardwareHaven8 ай бұрын
Spoiler... I got the A1 Mini. Its printing right behind me as I type haha. I imagine at some point I'll want something with a bigger print bed, but I'm loving it so far. Especially for someone like me that doesn't have the time to dive into the details, it's perfect.
@winstonreid13958 ай бұрын
they have 3.5-inch Hard Drive Cage, 16-compartment Shock-proof Expansion rack, Multi-bay mobile External Hard Drive Cage on ali express and then you could add any slide in or hotswap drive mount or use the provided ones. You could even go down the rabbit hole of sata backplanes for the power so all you would need is prob 2 molex to power it (like on the silverstone 380b) for example. Cheers
@luisliz2 ай бұрын
I was trying to build this last week but only found the expensive options. This is exactly what i wanted and pretty cheap
@msvaughan7 ай бұрын
Good video, if the size of array is going to be an issue, there is an alternative. Icydock do a 6 x 2.5" to 5.25" drive adaptors (MB326SP-B) but these do cost around $90, You could probably get away with a 250W PSU to power the drives. Unless your using SSD's, the 2 fans they have may be adequate, the drives may get warm if used long term so additional ventilation may be required.
@blackpaw294 ай бұрын
Hard to find high capacity 2.5" drives that aren't SMS
@SB-qm5wg8 ай бұрын
I didn't know that ad2psu unit existed. That's brilliant.
@panosangel28838 ай бұрын
What a creative project which solves a real problem. I was thinking recently to expand my storage solution and this seems like a very viable solution.
@ExRazR8 ай бұрын
did something similar and modded the powercables: you can pop of the backpanel of the sata plugs and pull the cables of the crimp terminals. plug them unpopulated into the hard-drive stack and then line up your 5 fresh (!!!) powercables into them (you dont want to reuse the old ones, they got "bite marks" from the crimp terminals and when unlucky, short out on these open connections). cut away the exccess cables and you got perfect poweraddapters for your stack.
@sunhawk11048 ай бұрын
Another otion for the host connection is to use a "Mini SAS 4i 36P SFF 8087 to 4 SATA 7P The Reverse". It will let you use 4 sata ports on the host. Add a "SAS Adapter 2X Internal SFF-8087 to 2X External SFF-8088" to bring the connections out of the case. If you have a spare case laying around, a second "SAS Adapter 2X Internal SFF-8087 to 2X External SFF-8088" can be used to bring the connections into the spare case and a cable like the one you've used to breakout the sata connections again.
@galtthedestroyer7 ай бұрын
I did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons a few years ago. I absolutely love it.
8 ай бұрын
I would try to eliminate the separate ATX PSU on the desk. Either put that into the main case, or use some kind of AC-DC brick which is beefy enough to run the drives. Then I would also try to create some sort of 3D printed backpanel and/or a base box below the enclosure to hide all the tangling wires (and the power brick). I think it would look very tidy that way.
@nathanmiddleton14787 ай бұрын
That's awesome! I have an old PC that I went with the icy dock solution and 2.5" SSD's but was not very happy with how it turned out. In this case I used an internal hardware raid, which in doing reading later found out wasn't really hardware raid anyways. Here, your CPU will deal with the drives and that doesn't take a lot of processing power! So for an older machine you don't want going to e-waste I love this. Thanks for sharing!
@metaldragonbraveheart22 күн бұрын
I picked up a 8 x DVD Kangaroo DVD replicator at a yard sale for 20 bucks at a yard sale , A JBOD seems like a great idea for it , Thanks a lot for the idea,
@kane587mad8 ай бұрын
You could take a second PC case, throw everything but the PSU out and fill it with these acrylic stacks. Some cases have build in fan controllers too and are cheap af used.
@digitalbots2 ай бұрын
i have been racking my brains for 3 weeks on this problem. My Powerdedge 420t can hold 8+ drives with no issues. But every tower pc i was looking to get to replace it, it can only hold 3 drives. This solved my problem and I can finally pull the trigger on my server upgrade!!!!
@sehajpreetsingh41777 ай бұрын
Thank you for attempting to do this. This is something I've gone back and forth on multiple times. My requirment was being able to use 2-4 hard drives. I have a SFF server with an i5-9500, and I wanted to add two HDDs to it. My number one concern was power use and reliability. I ran a janky setup for a few days with SATA cables and power running out of the SFF PC. That would be the most efficient(power wise) but was super janky. I considered USB enclosures, NVME to SATA adapters, but they are known to be unreliable and USB enclosures wouldn't have S.M.A.R.T. An LSI card would be better reliability wise, but would still be janky with hard drives just sitting outside the case. LSI cards don't come cheap either (considering used office PC are cheap), and they would consume about the same or more power than a well optimised 8th to 9th gen Intel SFF PC. Believe it or not, I was able to get my SFF i5-9500 down to 8-9W of power consumption with one NVMe SSD. So I decided to run another server dedicated to NAS. This gives me about the same power consumption as your setup would, plus I have an additional set of CPU, iGPU and RAM. The best part is the systems are super stable, not janky and even combined, they are low on power consumption. My SFF server runs Jellyfin, HomeAssisstant, and my virtual Windows PC. ...and the second server just hosts a NAS (for now). This is the compromise I'm happy with for now. My second server has a Haswell i5-4570 that I run in single core config. It doesn't idle down as much as my i5-9500 but it's close enough. I am on the lookout for a cheap 6+ gen i5 full size tower to replace it for good.
@theftking7 ай бұрын
Anyone who needs 8 bays in an era of 20TB HDDs... ...what are you _storing?_
@HardwareHaven7 ай бұрын
There are downsides to drives of that size
@Signal_Lost.Күн бұрын
I prefer smaller drives because they’re often cheaper per terabyte.
@scheimong8 ай бұрын
Another option is to look for spare server parts, namely their hot swap drive cages. These will probably take 1 sff8087/8643 and 1 molex per 4 drives. Then you do everything you did here with the appropriate cables. It will probably be slightly more expensive, but much much easier to assemble and maintain. Edit: ah okay you mentioned those at the end never mind 😅
@knghtbrd8 ай бұрын
I'd actually considered building an enclosure myself by picking up two IKEA Lack end tables… You build one, flip it upside down, and mount a motherboard and power supply to the inside. You bolt the 2nd top onto the upturned legs to make a solid box, and the legs get used to make sort of an H above the motherboard to mount these $25ish drive cages from Amazon with rails. Nice thing about those is that you can swap a drive pretty quickly. Remove the cables from the back and the drives slide out the front. They have a "cover" for mounting a fan but … I wouldn't bother, because I've got a better idea. Reason for doing it this way? The top can be removed to help with maintenance. And if you close off the sides, you could put a nice big 20" fan on the front of this thing that'd entirely replace the air volume inside the box every few seconds. Even at low pressure, that'd be effective. You could put some mesh on the back to keep pets from possibly getting in there, but mostly keep it as open front to back as possible. A bonus: If you have any 19" rack gear that'd make a useful part of the system, the spacing on these Lack tables will accommodate, but that might interfere with my planned cooling solution.
@halo4life1668 ай бұрын
Looks awesome! Simplicity is key with something like this though. Especially if you can get away with it for half the cost of a JBOD. as someone who bought a 4U case for 15 drives. I can say those HBAs work great. Just need to make sure you spec the PSU the correct size and / or "balance" the drives per power rail so you don't overload one over the other. Found this out the hard way in proxmox when it dropped drives in the middle of the night.....
@dolphhandcreme8 ай бұрын
I got myself a 16bay supermicro for cheap. Has hotswap, can be turned into a dedicated storage-box or used as a complete server by mounting a mainboard. And the best: It has hotswap! Was about 200-250$ including a Xeon-Board, CPU, RAM etc. which i didn't use. Years ago i did similar stuff, but after all, nothing beats a professional solution. Anyway, good idea. And the way you added the second PSU is nice! And you are right: I can't even understand why someone would consider USB for connecting storage to a server.
@IHateCS8 ай бұрын
I love your videos dude, I've learned a lot from watching your NAS and Router tutorials, I've yet to see anyone do a tutorial on how to access your NAS from outside your local network though, I think it'd be cool if you made one.
@henrik21178 ай бұрын
That actually looks really nice! The black and grey fits great in my opinion.
@406Steven8 ай бұрын
I've had good experiences with my Oyen Digital Mobius 5 bay enclosure but I love the DIY nature plus the ability to have twice as many drives.
@a62dave6 күн бұрын
We chose to build such things “…not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win…”
@willcarter70798 ай бұрын
I got a used enterprise 12bay with the option to expand two more 12 bay jbods. The unit i got was $600. It was alot of money, but it runs Synology dsm and it's super easy to use for a beginner. And i don't feel like i have to worry about expanding in the future.