Nobody Plans to Use the New 2024 D&D Rules?

[@RPGTherapist]

I confess my decision is entirely political: I won't be buying the new rules for the simple reason that I have no interest in giving my money to WotC, after all of their recent shenanigans. Someone over there genuinely seems to have no idea how customer relations works, and I'd much rather give my money to independent publishers than a company that threatens copyright notices against people they've asked to reveiw their product, and that sends literal hired thugs around people's houses. My group's currently getting stuck into 'Avatar Legends', and next up will likely be 'Pendragon'; after that, there are so many options there's simply no point planning too far ahead 😅. Thanks as usual for the insight, Stephen 👍

[@KermodeBear]

I haven't bought a WotC product in many years at this point. Not because of any ideological reason or anything like that, my group has just moved on. PF2e for a d20 system, and other systems when we're looking for something more focused on narrative. But now? Just like you said - WotC has been outright hostile to its own customers and the world at large. I am not going to give my money to someone who hates me. And it's a bit of a shame, really. I grew up on D&D 2nd Edition. Dark Sun, Planescape, Council of Wyrms, Greyhawk, Ravenloft, Forgotten Realms, the list of amazing content is very deep. The days of TSR were wonderful. There was so much imagination. When WotC bought everything up things were fine for a while, but then... So disappointing. But we don't need them. We have better options - and MANY of them - at our fingertips.

[@daikatarokamegawa542]

That's a pretty valid stance.

[@vancityband6577]

This is the way.

[@griffithmorgan4966]

I always say "Friends Don't Let Friends Buy WOTC." There are so many awesome games out there which can be bought and played. The corporate model is to pen you into only using their product via endless upgrades. I kind of like to switch it up. Maybe do some horror for a few sessions, then do some sci fi. Or even get out some of the old Tunnels and Trolls solo dungeons because they are so cheap on Drive Through as PDFs.

[@mrmaat]

Agreed.

[@Nick_Mnemonic]

I purchased every single WotC published 5e book, both physical and digital on D&DB, until I stopped after the new Planescape. I have not purchased any official products since, and I will continue that practice. I have enough amazing and beautiful (including 3rd party) content for 5e to last a lifetime. I'm getting into Dungeon Crawl Classics as an equally favorite game, and I'll occasionally try out other systems at a bi-weekly RPG game night that's hosted at my LGS.

[@PurifyWithLight]

Same here, only collect physical. I stopped after returning SpellJammer.

[@lberghaus]

@@Nick_Mnemonic I bought only the PHB until the new planescape came out and then I bought that and now I am buying the new 2024 rules, which I will test for the first time after the books come out officially.

[@rdmsh]

Sounds like you and I stopped around the same time

[@balkkoth]

@@Nick_Mnemonic same my old 5e stuff is enough, and I discovered Shadow of demon lord and shadowdark, no need 2024.

[@James-dc3yt]

I stopped after the PHB

[@DUNGEONCRAFT1]

It does not seem crazy to me. That's how the online tool is designed to work, IMO. Greetings from Busan! --Professor DM

[@marcow.4846]

Oh, you're in Busan? Did you go there by Train? 🧟‍♂😅 (sorry - couldn't resist - I just love that movie 😊)

[@DocJS2014]

I'm almost 50 and finally fulfilling childhood desire to get into DnD this summer. Learning a ton from channels like yours. Thanks!

[@chicksandwich]

Find a Hyperborea or OSE group, you will have way more fun, trust me

[@EvelynNdenial]

@@chicksandwich or pathfinder, better than 5e and a whole lot better than the 2024 rules.

[@matthewmiddaugh2972]

Am I the only one that has noticed that Stephen says, "I'm Stephen Glicker from Roll FROM Combat!" when he does these solo vids? It kills me every time. 😅

[@ChrisJ2001]

I’m guessing your comment is the reason it’s happening. He’s a genius marketer. Mistakes equal engagement.

[@treythesmall6723]

He does it all the time. 😂

[@mikegilkey]

Noticed it after you pointed it out

[@tygereyes]

Yup. If you are familiar with their content, it is a pretty glaring difference in introductions. :) - Good catch though - glad you mentioned it.

[@duncbot9000]

he gets the URL right tho, that's what is important

[@chronixchaos7081]

5e is so entrenched and it has so much support from third parties, the new 2024 edition’s core book might sell for the collectors, but that’s it.

[@wwade7226]

I saw a similar poll on social media regarding 2024. Something like 55% were sticking with 2014, 30% unsure, the rest would try the new rules.

[@hideshiseyes2804]

Actually doesn’t surprise me. I think the people asking for this new ruleset were always a vocal minority. Most people were perfectly happy with the 2014 game.

[@shadark]

My Pathfinder groups simply switched to the new remaster rules when they came out. We didn't change the campaign or anything. It was just updates to our characters that made the players happy. It didn't affect the campaign it self for us.

[@argonaralfaran7617]

Same, the changes were really small though. Getting used to the new terms was the most difficult part and it was actually still quit easy

[@lawrl777]

yeah, it was like a bunch of new errata all at once, the soul is all the same and the changes are all for the better

[@slaapliedje]

I think the biggest change was to alignments. Other than that it was just words and such. I probably should find another group for Abomination Vaults, since my players were pissed off at getting their asses spanked so often.

[@AlternateGM]

I came to RPGs with D&D 5E in 2019 with D&DBeyond as the tool to use, so I never learnt how to make a character on paper. It’s only recently where I’ve regressed from digital to physical (OGL helped), as I usually DM I don’t build characters but did get to play a decent one shot so decided to finally teach myself how to properly build a character. As a result I actually finally understood a lot more about the game mechanics than ever!

[@paavohirn3728]

@@AlternateGM As an oldie I find this immensely fascinating! Thanks for sharing! I can see how it's like a Matrix moment allowing you further ownership of the hobby.

[@catrinahultberg6418]

I built characters manually in 3.5, switched to 4e where I became reliant on the builder and switched back to manual for 5e because I couldn't justify rebuying all the hard copies of books in digital so Beyond would let me build the characters I wanted to play. I find there is something rewarding about flipping through the books and constructing the character old-school.

[@paavohirn3728]

@@catrinahultberg6418 Ah, I really loved building chars in 3-3.5! 4e and 5e were quite nice too for a time. Been doing the pen&paper since 1989 (BECMI, 2e AD&D etc) 😅 Definitely love to have real books on hand! Especially high quality, such as OSE, Worlds Without Number etc., though my pdf library is bigger than physical nowadays. I actually played around with the 4e e-tool system a bit back in the day 🤔

[@thatblastedsamophlange]

That's a really good point. It's a really difficult thing to switch over to a new system - even one so close as 5.5 may be. It makes more sense to avoid slow down of any campaign nearing it's end, by switching rules set. If you just started, a campaign, maybe a switch is more likely. But until then, probably not. There's also the fact that the core books are staggered so much, that many will wait until they have ALL the books, so they know monsters vs players will play out.

[@badmojo0777]

its NOt a new system lol, the changes are largely cosmetic, rebalancing, rules clarification etc.. the core game works the same, although anyone who cant be bothered to level their character without D&DByond , dont bother, i could care less lol i miss the days , when the RPG community was 90% inteligent no life nerds. Dont get me wrong i love that the game s popular but that also means a large % of the new players are short attention span, lazy, and/or not as smart as the target audience this game was made for.

[@daikatarokamegawa542]

@@badmojo0777 I do agree that the new PHB is largely the old one, plus some very welcome and needed changes, such as origin feats and heroic inspiration (raise your hand if you've ever got more than one inspiration per campaign from your DM), and it seems like the monk might actually be playable! I don't get what's so hard about leveling your character by pen and paper either. I mean, it's not rocket science, you gain a few spells and spell slots and/or you get a cool new ability. Sometimes you pick a subclass but it's all in the book!

[@Casey093]

I still so no reason for a luke-warm facelift, unless my group forces me to make the switch. But after all the OGL backstabbing for close to 2 years, I'm not giving WOTC another dollar, and if I have to print all the stuff out for the same price that buying the books would have cost.

[@Klinkenheimer]

I guess I'm old but I'm glad I know how to level up a character without any online tools. I definitely hear what you are saying about becoming dependent on technology though. Having access to the rules and characters in a central location like DnDBeyond has made playing a lot easier.

[@aliciastevens74656]

I only plan to use the rules that make sense for my group. They’re all new players and I’m still teaching them, so trying not to cause too much confusion. Also planning to switch them to pen and paper so that DDB doesn’t force the change. Then I have ToV, Level Up, PF2 and Shadowdark to play, and I enjoy learning from each if there’s something that makes the game more fun for the group. Trying to not spam the same comment every video. Thanks for sharing these with the community, Stephen! 😊

[@daikatarokamegawa542]

One rule that every single player is going to appreciate, and I bet you dollars to doughnuts no one's going to complain, is origin feats. Everyone in the table is going to love that little extra boost

[@brykwoad8413]

The group I play in to this day we are still using the Evermore AD&D character builder, the one that came on the CD rom that is rules for 2nd edition or 2.5. We still favor 2.5. We have gotten rather good and customizing the rule in the program, and finding ways to break them. Keeping that legacy software usable on computers today is a challenge though. Sure we do know how to level a character though, but having the pre printed not our scrawl for character sheets are nice in our advanced age.

[@mikefontana3324]

I agree, most groups probably won't switch over right away. There might be a few groups that might try to blend books together, like in the case a PC dies and the player wants to try a 2024 class. This could lead to issues with mixed classes from different books, not even mentioning spell changes and how the GM is going to rule the differences between 2014 and 2024

[@daikatarokamegawa542]

As a DM, I would rule it as an all or nothing. Wizards says you can play a 2024 character in a 2014 setting no issues and from what I've seen, it holds true. Therefore, I'd rule that if you're going to switch to 2024 rules, you accept ALL changes to your class(es), not just mix and match. The spells are actually pretty easy to explain, with magic users having their own twist on spells such as Jim's magic missile, so you cast with the 2024 rules and abide by those.

[@sleepingpill764]

I'll definitely be playing my campaigns out fully in 5.0, it removes a painpoint of converting a character that may not end up working the same in the new book, but it also allows me to wait and see how the "functional" reception of the 5.5 book will be.

I feel that the changes are mostly upgrades, I did raise an eyebrow at the thing with Knick and the dual wielder feat not sure yet if I like that rule. But stuff like surprise or rerolls for inspiration we are already using them.

[@GlennJackson-d8e]

I started DMing D&D in 1974, pre first edition. I was elated when first edition came out with actual rules and tables I could use. I was still early in my world building, so I was able to incorporate new rules right away. When second edition came about, I was wondering how I would have to change my world and DMing as we transitioned to the new books. Again, I was surprised that it wasn't hard to do. We played that edition quite a long time, so it became the game we all knew and loved. Third edition came out and we were wondering how that would change things. Fortunately for me, we were able to start a third edition game quite soon after it came out. I had a harder time with my world since the new rules gave me actual tables instead of just making things up. I ran quite a few games, but got frustrated with all the supplementary books, added classes, races, and such that my world didn't have. I solved this by using almost none of the extra rules and never incorporated 3.5 very much. We didn't play fourth edition and my books are in fine condition unlike previous editions. I have enjoyed fifth edition very much as it returned to more of a feel of earlier editions. From the little that I know of 5.5, I probably will not make the change, and, at 75 now, I don't like the way the game has changed from a gritty game to a game of pixies and spacemen mindflayers. It has been quite an adventure.

[@immanuelaj]

That's so bizarre with the pathbuilder making people unable to make a character. I popped open the Starfinder 2e playtest and had to make characters from scratch and because I had used pathbuilder before, it made the process much easier.

[@nooneyouknowof]

I guess it's like when people use the auto dial for numbers on their phone and forget the numbers themselves, after a while...or the same with auto fill passwords.

[@katherineberger6329]

I've used online character builders for so long it feels weird to do it by hand.

[@L0RDNIK0N001]

I’ve been playing games for decades and have always taken ideas from different editions and melded them together into my own conglomerate. I plan to do that with the 2024 edition as well. To me the book is just another sourcebook for my ongoing campaign.

[@thomassnider9360]

I've already told my DnD group that I'm not moving forward with the new editions for our current campaign and they all had no issues with that. And while I play older editions (frequently) when it comes to modern DnD, my 'evergreen' version is 5.

[@trublgrl]

I got back in to TTRPG after like, 20 years, just a few years ago. Initially, I joined a D&D Beyond based game, and loved it for the hyperlinked data, and the easy character creation, and levelling up. When I joined my second campaign, it wasn't computer-based, and I found that I love doing those things manually. There's so much fun in doing the research, watching videos about builds and themes, and it made character building more fun that ticking boxes. I am someone who thinks about my characters between games. The simplified character stuff in the online platforms might actually be taking away from the fun of gaming, especially _between_ sessions.

[@yashdaily2589]

I can imagine another large (and justified) outrage, if WotC decides that you can not build characters using the "old" Ruleset on D&DBeyond.

[@DanielZahra]

They will if the new stuff doesn't sell.

[@nickm9102]

@@DanielZahra I have to disagree here. They know that initial sales will be good because players want to see what they changed so for now as long as you are dealing with beyond and accepting the desired goal of digital transition, they don't care what you use. Once they have you locked into beyond and digital they will change it to where you have no choice or worse yet clone beyond and have the story books shared but have two sites for Beyond the 5e version and the 2024 ruleset that I refer to as 5e Renerfed. that way they can charge more by having two subscriptions for each one and a new tier, let's call it the Vecna tier where you have access to both rulesets. in the end they don't care what rules you use as long as you still give them their money that the universe, inconveniently, placed in your stewardship.

[@juanabreu3619]

I have become the forever dm of my group, so we are at the moment sticking to pf, but I do have some 5e games on the side, and we might be sticking to old books, mostly since its either a campaing almost over or one so heavily modified that it stopped being 5e long ago. But on the upgrading to pf2.5, I actually didn't find many issues with it in my games, luckily, we were pretty low level, and luckily the only class in play that were changed was the alchemist, which only I use, so they get to be the same and I get more toys to play with 🎉

[@Denothorm]

I am likely to run a weird mix of the two versions. There are certain changes that I am not 100% on board with, so I anticipate that I will keep parts from the old version.

[@nicka3697]

I absolutely get you. Bits worry me I'm concerned that players will nearly always have advantage and a fair few rerolls available and my monsters will be lying on the floor giggling or concussed before they get a chance to show what they can do.

[@philipbarr6320]

Great review of where D&D is being pushed. Back in the days of Yore, I sharpened my teeth on AD&D. Back in 2021 like a large mass of individuals did I re-invested in this wonderful game. Sitting around the table again, laughing, crying, sharing time and stories with likeminded individuals. Mostly now playing as a DM, I find it hard to contemplate this newest movement of D&D to online. I find it better to be together to share in the experience, which in my opinion is more difficult to engage online. I’m always interested in seeking new ideas and game mechanics, but pretty sure not going to support 2024 versions with my financial resources, rather look for older versions or support kickstarters to improve my social game nights.

[@jennf1881]

There is also an element of not wanting to buy a game you already bought. I don’t plan on buying 2024, just like I didn’t buy the Pathfinder Remasters. Frugal is a thing.

[@garion046]

I think your community just want your new dragons faster :P People hate waiting! They probably figure they can adapt the 2014 dragons to 2024 monsters later. Would 100% agree lots of players don't know how to level a PC outside of digital tools. I think it will take time to have the 2024 rules come through, people feel their games are more important than an update such as the 2024 rules provide. Like many I will look forward to taking parts of the new 2024 book (without buying it because of my opinions on WotC) and adding it into my current 2014 game, even though it's early on in that campaign. I think like you when I start a new game I'll just run the 2024 rules (even though they still have some issues, they are way better).

[@angrysnowcone1025]

Unusual way to start the video. - People say they don't want to use this book. (30 seconds later). - I´m giving you guys the book that people say they don't want to use.

[@yomamah5973]

@@angrysnowcone1025 I mean it makes the chance to win it seem realistic if no one wants it.

[@DoctorTopper]

The thing is my wife and brother and I started playing "Tegel Manor 5E" but our DM had to quit for life reasons. I volunteered to DM the module instead but I DON'T OWN ANY CORE BOOKS. There is a S&W version of the module but its obviously more lethal, and I think S&W is not my OSR of choice anyways.

[@kellyeggers7737]

My group is going to give the 2024 rules a try in our more fresh 5e game (two bi-weekly games with different DMs at level 12 and level 2). Nothing wrong with finishing the old game with the old rules.

[@josephpilkus1127]

Stephen, thanks for these shorts...while I enjoy the extended videos, especially on my commute, these are great pieces that keep me abreast of what's happening. As for the new PH, I'm always curious to see what's out there. I never liked, much less, used 4th Edition or even 5th Edition, but reading through the editions, I was able to pick up a few things for my long-running 3.5 campaign.

[@perrin26]

I am eager for the new book. I run a group of 7... I have heard our warlock and barbarian will be partucularily happy with the change... people are lucky to be getting these so soon. I can't imagine not being able to manually create the characters, but I guess I am old school. Exact same age as dnd in fact. Lol.

[@terryc1538]

We're doing a Vecna Eve of Ruin campaign. It goes from ten through twenty and we're close to the beginning. I expect the campaign to last for another two years. I don't expect to move to 2024 until 2026. I'm hoping D&D Beyond will have a 2014/2024 switch like Archives of Nephys has.

[@wtchrol7864]

It would be prudent to run a 2024 version campaign _after_ going over the 2024 version DMG. With just the first two books, though, campaigns can already happen as early as November post-DMG release. The 2024 version Monster Manual isn't as necessary when backwards compatibility with the 2014 version and Monsters of the Multiverse, as well as third party monster books, are available.

[@nicka3697]

Absolutely I tend to go to third party books for my monsters anyway they are just better whether it's the mechanics in Flee Mortals, the range and power in Tome of Beasts or the lore in Esper's Esoterica they frankly inspire me more and create better combat.

[@mingbritson]

Thanks as always - love your stuff! Still on the fence on 2024 rules, since I just got back into 5e about 3 years ago and bought the 5 core books, then added digital versions last year, so they've got plenty of my money. I play in 3 mostly weekly/bi-monthly campaigns and DM as a fill-in campaign when other DMs can't make it. I think most of us are waiting, but we'll see...

[@EntangledKingdoms]

As both a DM and player of 5e for 10 years, my groups are NOT going to be using the 2024 edition. We’re ditching WoTC actually. Adios!

[@MauroDraco]

Well said, brother!

[@Tharppedo]

Exactly the same case here. We started a short 3.5 campaign and have recently fallen in love with Pathfinder 2e.

[@barrythemoviedemon]

My current game has no plans to change. The DM flat out said he will never implement the paladin changes no matter what

[@philippemarcil2004]

For a better Paladin fix, check out the Tales of the Valiant version which I think is a superior fix.

[@ambershadedlens]

As a Pathfinder 2e player this is why I appreciate the Archives of Nethys. I feel bad for people stuck with options with lots of road blocks.

[@Bardicaggravation]

My table of seven has already switched to DC20. It's damn near perfect. We're even switching our actual play game for KZbin to DC20. It's risky, but we feel strongly about it.

[@vntHrzn]

We're doing the same after we wrap up our current campaign. Glad you like it!

[@BobMcDowell]

The Beyond question was interesting. When do they make the 2014 PHB "Legacy Content"?

[@trexdrew]

They’ve renamed them “(2014)” already if you didn’t notice

[@BobMcDowell]

@@trexdrew I burned my $1200 Beyond investment earlier this year. No going back to the crazy ex-girlfriend for me!

[@luistestart135]

Actually that's a pretty good point! And actually it kinda makes even more sense for releasing the PHB early, then the DMG and lastly the MM, since people aren't likely to use the new rules right away! :0 In the case of my group we wish to make the transition, since we're a somewhat large group and lots of martials in the party are getting overshadowed by the casters (Weirdly enough our 2014 Monk is doing WAAAY more damage than expected since she uses the dragon monk subclass and her attacks being turned to lightning damage is absolutely incredible when a lot of combat happens in the rain or underwater [I know it's not RAW, but I like to implement vulnerabilities since the MM doesn't have many of them, and the only side effects is it has made the monk surprisingly way stronger]; having said that, our party is level 8 in and adventure that I want to take up to level 15, so the change might be difficult but also worth it I'm excited to say the least

[@brewster_4]

I'm in two campaigns (same players, different DMs). I DM one of the campaigns. I plan on switching over to the 2024 rules since the campaign I DM is only three sessions in they're at level 2. The DM for our other group has said he'll be sticking with the 5e rules. The campaign I run is also intended to be fairly long running, so it seems best to switch over sooner rather than later.

[@100madmic]

I think has long people are happy with what system.

[@falgorirthune903]

I'll pick it up, but there are many other RPGs. I'm looking to try new things as well. I'm not going to stop the DND campaigns that I am currently playing.

[@bardedkgaming2529]

For me im propbly going to be using a Frankenstein version of the 2 systems, because from what I have seen there are some things that I like in the new rules like the new monk, and parts of the weapon masteries. but on the other hand there are also rulings that I have heard that I just don't want in my games, like the new rules for counterspell that basically makes it worthless. So I will probably get the new rule set, but only to take and modify the parts that I Like and stitch them into the existing rules.

[@paulbenfield7840]

I prefer Paizo systems these days but have family and friends that are into D&D so it's likely I'll want to look at the new edition to keep pace with games they want to be involved in.

[@lazytomcatranch]

Thats whats so great about D&D versus video games. Video game comes out with stupid shit in an update, your forced into it. But with D&D you can just act like the update never happened. Just how I act like the last season of Game of Thrones never happened.

[@TheDJColby13]

I am using 5e currently but when the set is complete, will use the new rules. It doesn't make sense to rebuild (upgrade skills) until the new monster stats are out.

[@RufasTheRed]

Can confirm in general for creating/leveling up characters that if you haven’t done it manually and only via an app is going to be tough and potentially a steep learning curve

[@DRuckle]

I'm switching to the new rules as soon as possible. Heck, I have already switched to some of the new rules without even owning the PHB.24

[@zantharian57]

I likely won't be switching by the way. The situation is pretty much exactly what you described.

[@taccntb4345]

The current deveopers of DnD have ruined the game by giving EVERYONE mOrE powers!!!! The game is joke with short rest, long rest, and now every player is gay a$$ super hero... Play BECMI . Its more realistic and charming. Just better.

[@darthtc23]

BECMI! Yes! yes! Yes!

[@adamguy1984]

Our campaign will continue with the 2014 rules as we’re at level 10. However, we will use the revised rules for specific clarifications. But because we like to play with new toys, we’ll do some 2024 one shots when our DM needs a week off. As for dndbeyond, it’s going to be as simple as de-selecting the 2024 PHB on the character creation home page to continue leveling up via 2014 rule set (I don’t have inside information, just my opinion)

[@timjohnson2533]

I don't personally play D&D anymore, but I have a relative that does and he's holding off until after all three books are released. He made an interesting point that the power levels of the 5.5 edition characters feel really out of control when it comes to 5.0 monsters. He talked to me about his using a third party way of making monsters that actually work with 5.0, and he's not sure what 5.5's character classes would do to encounter balance. He's definitely in the 'wait and see' for now, until all the books are out. (Oh, and please don't pick this comment for a free PHB. I don't play the game and would rather the book go to someone who does!)

[@jonathanthompson4077]

Honestly when it comes to general rules, there are a lot of clean ups and clarity: surprise, shoves and grapples as part of unarmed strikes, search and study actions, etc. The issue is that some things particularly player focused are not all completed worked out as much as they are marketing. I think people will just take time and Honestly most even running campaigns can which the non combat rules and be fine. My DM decided that mid September we will all vote whether to change to 2024 or not. Even if we do, we will likely have to keep old stuff since not all of our character features are changing.

[@robertwertz2912]

I mostly run Call of Cthulhu and DCC. I keep the 5e rules on hand for 3rd party adventures, settings and conversions of old modules, so I would use 2024 rules if needed for future releases of that nature. I do enjoy reading new rule sets for ideas and simply to see what has changed, so I will eventually pick up the 2024 rules. My players will use whatever system I choose, and prefer that I learn all the rules and disseminate only the necessary info to them. Without my guidance, I'm sure they would exclusively use online tools for character generation and leveling up. Not everyone has the level of interest, or time, to learn new game systems.

[@DougStich]

Not surprised. Haven’t switch to PF2 remastered because I didn’t have all the books. This fall - now that I have all the books, I’ll switch my group.

[@LucGervais]

Been playing D&D since 1983. I really liked AD&D and 5e. I’m curious about this new 2024 version.

[@Christian_Sandoval]

Greetings from México. My table (3 of my friends from the 90s, the son of one of them, my girlfriend, my girlfriend's son and his girlfriend) quit a year+ long campaign after beating a Mines of Phandelver/Dragon of Icespire Peak mix, they didn't care about following up with the adventure. Then we started a Basic Fantasy campaign online with old TSR modules I thought they would like better, but they hated it. No one was showing interest in the new core books because I told them about the test documents Wizards were releasing and they disliked the rules, specially the removal of half-orcs and half-elves, the debuffing of their sub-classes and new different types of feats. They feared it was going to become another Pathfinder. We have from a teenager to a grandmother in our group, they hardly had time to learn 5e, this 2024 thing (6e like my group calls it) seemed even more complicated to them. 2 weeks ago they told me they wanted to give it another try and start fresh with 5e from level 1, same characters, but playing Curse of Strahd this time. They believed it likely wasn't 5e rules that sucked, but the Pandelver adventures. I was about to session-zero them, when all these details about the new 2024 PHB started pouring down. Last sunday, I asked in our groupchat if someone wanted to update their character with the new 2024 rules, just out of curiosity. I searched the changes and described them to the two half-orcs (monk and druid) in our group, and also described weapon mastery, how new feats work from the backgrounds... They freaking loved it. They know as an old-school DM I complaint a lot about feats, and they liked they debuffed a little the most problematic ones, for my sake. My 49 years old girlfriend who had never played RPGs before 5e was dissapointed there were no more half-orcs, but I googled the mix species rules from the test documents and then she was 100% onboard with the new stuff. Now everyone is very excited about getting the new PHB and playing Curse of Strahd with their updated characters. They think this "6e" doesn't seem that complicated to learn, after all. I'm apalled. I tought all of them how to play D&D, I must have done something wrong LOL. I just wish I wasn't the forever DM of all of them and I could play old TSR modules with OSE, or Hackmaster, or the newer 5e adventures but with Dungeon World or Shadowdark rules, or something. I dislike this Disneylike version of D&D, but the family loves it. I'll do my goddamn best with what I got for them. They agreed to play a different game once every few sessions in consideration to my sanity, but otherwise we are becoming a "6e" group from now on.

[@VMSelvaggio]

Yes, on the surface, it sounds like he said, "Roll FROM combat." Now that you mentioned it...

[@leorblumenthal5239]

I began my current campaign online during the Covid lockdown. We're at level 13 right now, and I plan to wrap things up within a few months. My plan is to stick with the 2014 rules until the campaign ends. On the other hand, I play in another DM's home game which has been running a little longer. The DM likes some of the quality of life improvements that Wizards has made, especially to the Monk. He's planning to switch our characters over sometime in the future, though it's unclear when this will happen.

[@simbertsim8091]

In our group we will mix and match the new rules: we will finish our campaigns in 2014 5e but we will start a new campaign when the new PHB and DMG drops with the new rules. However we won't play rules as written but more like rules inspired, we keep some of the food stuff from 2014 and take some of the good stuff from 2024.

[@JumpySonicBear]

Running one campaign thats planned to go from levels 1-20, currently level 9. Amd in another campaign that we are level 5 in. I got ahold of the PDF of the book a couple weeks ago, both campaigns players immediately remade our characters using the new rules. The only slight issue is remember the few spell changes, as we use spell reference cards that havent been updated yet

[@nathanielklee]

I think the earliest I'll adopt the 2024 rules for my current games is when they've updated the D&D Beyond Character Builder tool to work with them. I have a couple of players who are running playtest versions of two of the classes utilizing some homebrew subclasses on D&D Beyond, but broadly speaking I'll hold off for when there's full support for the new book.

[@we8bob]

52 years old and just getting ready to start playing for the first time with my wife and adult kids. Avid Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms reader, but surprisingly never had the time to play any ttrpg',s due to work. A very interesting time to be jumping into D&D. We've been debating on getting 2014 or 2024. Been hearing both sides. Planned on playing Thanksgiving holiday so we had time to choose an edition. Being a new player at this time has me frozen 🥶. This is like a dice roll, winning this would be like fate 😁 Great channel by the way.

[@jessewallace3805]

@@we8bob hell yeah!

[@ashb8036]

If really appreciate being one of the lucky winners. I plan on using the new book for the subclasses… well most of them. See that’s the beauty of the book situation. We can pick and choose what we want. I’m fine with them starting at 3rd level for two reasons. 1) first and second level can go pretty quickly if you want to and I’d guess that a number of campaigns just skip these levels. But that is a decision that leapfrogs the following… 2) you can use those two levels to develop the character with a bit of role play. Yes people will probably know what subclass they are going to choose but it’s an opportunity for fun as they develop their character in the field. Examples: The warlock is receiving power and communication of a sort and has made a deal but do they fully understand who and what they are dealing with? The sorcerer has erupted with power, they are discovering who and what they are. Like a superhero just learning to fly. The fighter has been training hard and working on their abilities and you get to watch as all of their training and efforts suddenly arrive! The cleric has been devoting their time and focus to their god and can do some small things but they haven’t yet been acknowledged or fully “seen” by their deity. Have they done what is required to stand out among the thousands of other worshippers?

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

People say this every edition and for the most part they end up bending the knee six months later (4E notwithstanding). Revealed Preference will trump stated preference: ultimately they'll want the new shinnys. It's why the publication cycle remains the publication cycle.

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

No don't offer to send me a book I truly don't need or want one. I'm a jaded smark lobbing peanut shells from the gallery, not a participant anymore. Anyhow whatever rules I use now are available for free online (via legit SRD sites - no bully).

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

Inb4 someone says he said that in the video. I understand, but the emphasis is different. I would even go so far as suggest he not listen to the poll and put out a book that will be quikckly dated (on his own terms, as stated in the video) but go against the poll and put out an updated book.

[@alexracicot3606]

I started playing when it was Advanced D&D, took a break for a while, and jumped back in during the pandemic at the height of 5e success. The way D&D has streamlined has been brilliant for playability and ease of use etc. Our TTRPG community is blessed to be living in a time of seemingly endless gaming options and opportunities. I am looking at 5.5 as just another evolution of D&D. Will I and my players use it? Maybe, maybe not. Not all of my players can afford buying all new books. My home brew world and campaign is based on all the 5e mechanics and rules etc. but I suspect that over time 5.5 will bleed into our game play - at least any bits we deem worthy. I am looking forward to seeing what works and what else my players and I can tweak to our own needs.

[@kaiosekka]

I am a fairly new DM and to playing DnD in generel. I started at the end of last year, directly going into DMing for my gf and my brother in law. We play like once a month and so progress wise our campaign just finished the latest "starter set" and we now tackling the mines of phandelver. They are level 3 and I told them about the upcoming book. Our fighter is already highly hyped for it and can't wait for all the weapon mastery stuff and our druid is also looking forward to some changes. So we will probably adapt to the new rules asap. Like you said, a higher level campaign would be probably much harder to transition. And since I am already used to adjusting the encounters for 2 players, I couldn't care less about when the new monster manual comes, i am looking forward to it, but it doesnt change a lot now. YOUR new book with all the monster part crafting stuff and more is actually more something i am looking forward to as soon as the campaign goes live and i can support it via paypal ^^ sry for the novel, just wanted to share my stuff >_

[@bradleyhurley6755]

Just wondering is the Druid player Circle of the Moon or one of the other Druids that don't really rely on wildshape?

[@kaiosekka]

@@bradleyhurley6755 She is a Shepard Druid and mainly likes that cure wounds and healing word are now "actrually healling" her words not mine. And I understand that, because even thou I try to scale, my scaling isnt always perfect and sometimes they feel like recources are taken away fast. ^^

[@bradleyhurley6755]

@@kaiosekka Wild shape returns after a short rest. A lot of classes that feel like resources are draining fast is because they return on a short rest. Lack of short rests make those classes feel less useful. I was wondering, cause I think the new Druid rules are awesome for everyone except the Moon Druid, you could really benefit from gaining extra hp.

[@johandejong2292]

Like you said, the "old" rules are what we have, and what we play with right now. My group is also not likely to switch to the new version right away... only after finishing the current campaigns. If we switch at all. There are so many other systems out there, and we like to mix up genres and settinge every now and then too. A little bit of Traveller here, a spread of Cthulhu there. Sprinkle in some Avatar or Dune left and right. Even if only for an adventure or two.

[@GusKeaney]

My plan is to run the new rules in a mini campaign as a series of episodes or one shots, but with the same characters and setting, on evenings when everyone can't make it for the main campaign. The main campaign will probably conclude early next year, and we can then make an informed choice of what to do next.

[@johnevans5782]

Great video! Thank you so much for bringing up the potential issue wit making characters on D&D Beyond! I am thinking that the may do what they have done with previous new releases, allowing those who own content, including legacy content, to use that when making a character. I am currently running a game that is 9th level. I am planning on taking a hard look a the potential of switching the rules over, and following the UA method of having the new override the old when there is a conflict, starting soon after the book release. I do have to say that, since they stated selling the books at Gen Con, I think they should start allowing those who purchase the book online in pre-orders to access the digital content immediately.

[@jjackjenkins]

I’ll have to read the book to see if we will ever swap over but I’m 100% homebrewing some of its options. By the time my group hits the next level and spend a winter unable to adventure, they can spend their downtime leveling up and gaining a weapon mastery, any new Feat I like, etc. Additionally, I don’t believe that they are going to limit character, creation, and level up on D&D Beyond to only the new version of dungeons and dragons. They have mentioned many times continuing support for fifth edition.

[@jonsaucy8440]

I know that many people fall towards the extremes of the spectrum when discussing the revision; and I'm trying to avoid allowing myself to follow suit. That said, I just think its quite a shame that they didn't better use the time they had (2 years) to really address the revision in a strong way. I get they had layoffs and certainly other fires they had to put out from time to time. But a small team of developers guided by a strict framework could have done just fine. For instance, if I were in charge I would've focused on: - Cloudy rules wording that delivered more questions than answers. - Spells. -If they don't do what they say on the tin.. change the label (Detect Traps). -If they are among those rarely (if ever) taken... why? Address that. -If they remove creatures or PCs from the fight for a long period of time, simply get rid of them. You already have Conditions that effectively do the same thing, but at a lower consistency. -If you must keep force cage and resilient sphere, at least give the restraints an AC and hit points so that those trapped within have some determination of how to free themselves. -Change tiny hut to not allow the "pill box" utility that it does now. -Backgrounds. -As presented they just have too many pain points. Sure, you can "narrate" your character into any background, but prescribing feats to them in a hardwired manner just creates too many pain points that DMs then have to clean up or "stand on that hill". -Should've just gone with Tasha's "add +2/+1 or +1/+1/+1" to your ability scores.. it was simple and didn't require mental gymnastics Species/Races/Origins/ x. -To streamline some while maintaining the cultural differences of others is just plain confusing. -Taking away iconic mainstays such as Stonecunning for dwarves is removing flavor, not designing with it in mind. It wasn't amazingly mechanical, but with the right DM it added a good bit of flavor. You shouldn't remove flavor, you should ADD to it. -To increase dwarf, halfling and gnome movement speed to 30 feet so they would align with other races, then extend goliath's movement speed to 35 because "tall race"... again, that just smacks of confusion. -Not to mention the removal of "half" species. I just feel in the player facing tome of the flagship ttrpg system, perhaps we could've gotten a more nuanced character design system that embraced the mixing of species with options to choose between their various benefits in a balanced way Conditions. -As one of the most impactful systems codified for combat, these could've used a bit more cleaning up and trimming down. -They should be extremely intuitive to both the players and the DM; I'd bet they are one of the most googled topics for 5e. And while I'm no designer, I feel strongly that I could've accomplished the above list, on my own with no overhead, in about 8 months. I also feel strongly that it would've made a fair amount of the player base (and the DM side as well) happy. I have no delusion that some would've been unhappy. But that really can't be a reasonable goal in this space. I'd love to have a copy to look at, read thoroughly and perhaps change for my table's use. But I'm not overly convinced that I would put forth the hefty price for less options, less flavor and more issues that I'd have to resolve on my own. I'm sure the designers feel they did their upmost best, and I've no clue what internal struggles they had to contend with during this long drawn out process; but even when trimming the fat, you still keep an eye on the quality of the meat you leave behind. Hopefully they'll get it figured out. And also throw some effort into designing the other two pillars a bit more.

[@20hermanator10]

I’m gearing up to run a new campaign for new players and our session zero was last week. They already told me they’re okay rebuilding their level two characters when I get access to the new rules. And I’m calling it 5e24.

[@CommandoWallace]

I’ll probably check with my tables how they want to go forward but I imagine we’ll be adopting some of the changes at least

[@corrinejohnson1913]

Our FLGS just closed, but arrangements were made for a new store with much of the staff from the old one. Once it opens, I expect they will start up in store gaming and I anticipate needing to learn the new rules for it.

[@malazar]

I think some people might use things like the small QOL changes early on, before using the full book. Mostly because, as you say, the DMG isnt out for a while. New monsters are less of an issue, the MOTM book already remastered a lot of monsters, and shows the direction the new monsters will take, so we might see "5.5e" campaigns before the new MM is out. Particularly, as you say, DNDBeyond is going to be updated to the new rules sooner rather than later.

[@jessesgirl10]

Interesting Intro...I got back into DnD during Covid after not playing since about 1980 when my big brother got my older three sisters and myself to roll up characters and map out out our dungeon travels.

[@bigH101]

My table will be using the new rules with the our new campaign, which will be starting around the same time the new PHB comes out.

[@leroybyrd7545]

If nothing else, they can be used in the same manner as the 4e books I got as a Convention volunteer (back when WOTCactually attended in person). They made a great doorstop to keep the bedroom door open for my cat. (the 4e books were so bad, my cat tried to bury them). Then again, I got those free. The new books are a bit expensive for doorstops. (And my cat passed away last year, so no D&D hate from him.) As for the new Pathfinder 2 Core books, all of our games immediately converted. We also play a lot of Pathfinder Society, so transition was seamless. Right now though, we're all shifting gears and going hot and heavy into the Starfinder 2e playtest. (which greatly outsold the new 5e books. They had to limit the number per person. Apparantly WOTC didn't feel the need to limit the 3,000 per day stock. It seems like several KZbinrs are also giving out free copies.)

[@jefR6875]

I think of it as another supplement akin to Tasha's and Xanathar's: it has variant classes, rules, spell list and optional sub-systems. Some of it i like and some of it i dont. i like the Origin feats (i added them to my homebrew section on D&D Beyond, so now my players with 2014 characters have access to them). Mostly i think i'll stick to 2014, though. And that is one of the things I REALLY like about 5e is the modularity. It is easy to piece together the bits you like to make the game that is fun for your table.

[@Bean-b9k]

Our group is finishing up our current campaign right now and excited to start a new one with 2024 ruleset.

[@laughingpanda4395]

Im switching to the 2024 versions of the rules for my next campaign which is set to start 3 to 5 months from now. Of course if any of my players want to use 2014 builds, they will be allowed as well. Most of the core mechanics are the same with 2024 classes being the biggest change. We have already been using the new weapon masteries along with buffed jump and healing spells.

[@Beholderguitars]

We’ll likely switch to the new players handbook right away but I game with a bunch of folks who like thinking about and experimenting with rules systems. We are mid-campaign at level 5 but I don’t see the switch being that challenging for expereinced players. The campaign will definitely slow a little though as we stop to discuss and debate our first impressions of the rules. But we like doing that, so for us that's a fun thing.

[@kasimpatii]

We switched to 2024 rules for getting those slight buffs like extra feat and weapon proficiencies. But we really didnt go further than that so you might be true.

[@christopherkelly9153]

Our group already discussed it. We are not using the new rules. We haven't seen a change that we actually like.

[@TheCagedBudgie]

With the existing monsters, the 2024 versions are supposed to be moulding to the previously stated challenge ratings, but changing the stats so they actually represent these challenge ratings. I suspect that you could create all these monsters and it would work for both rulebooks :) I'm exciting to see what you have in store!

[@Kenneth2413]

There are some changes that I will definitely implement ( such as rogues getting reliable talent at level 7, which makes multiclassing to get that feature actually reasonable now). That said, a lot of my favorite classes and subclasses got nerfed hard in the 2024 version, so I definitely will only be implementing bits and pieces of the 2024 version. As far as actually buying a copy of the 2024 book, honestly there are other 5E books that are much higher priorities for me, some of which are 3rd party and a some of which are wotc books. As far as winning a copy, it would make pulling the bits and pieces that I do want to use easier.

[@MrLucky7s]

My group is experienced enough that we'll just update the current classes to the new rules (luckily, no one is running shepherd Druid) and continue the campaign. Initially that was the plan for PF2e, but we have one Oracle in the party and that's basically a complete rebuild at this point. I'm also really shocked people don't know how to level characters without Beyond.

[@Asin24]

My bet is DnDB will force change to the new rules. They might allow if you have certain content to use that content in the old edition to use it in the new one, but they will likely default to the new rules as a way to trying to push people to change over. LIkely done in a 'see aren't we nice we are giving you the new stuff" but my bet is even if they give players that peacemeal, they WILL add stuff that only applies to the new books you won't have access to which will be made more and more prevelent as time goes on to try and force you to switch. A likely 'slowly boil the frog' approach so people don't immediately get mad at them, but eventually you will get hot and feel compelled to switch over due to 'inconveinences'

[@N8Blair]

My group just started playing, so we’re running the Starter Set on 2014, and planning to switch to 2024 once that’s over. Just good timing for us to do it that way

[@lucasmalkin3295]

Just to happen to be wrapping up a campaign in time for the 2024 rulebooks coming out, so my usual crew decided we would give the new content a try. I'm not too worried about a "conversion" rate to the new stuff. If there are things in the new stuff we don't like, probably just homebrew it out or mix and match the two books. No biggy.

[@jjaarr3208]

One of the things I'd like about 5E vs Pathfinder was what you described, I can easily advance my character in 5E. With Pathfinder I have to use the Archive to do it. 5E has its issues, but I like rules lite over super crunch any day, but that's just me.

[@KeithHend]

Hello. I know that with our current campaign we are staying with the '14 ruleset. it is something that we know and changing out classes and abilities would be a huge pain in the butt. Also all the info for it is already out there for our players to use. and thankfully none of us use D&D beyond, so there will be no hassle with that. Though I might be moving in a year or so, so i don't know what the new group I might be joining is playing, so one just never knows lol. Hope you have a great day and thanks for the video. :D

[@kryss187]

My groups is most likely going to pause our campaign. reroll the characters at lvl 1 and do a mini campaign to test the new rules and milestone level up at the end of each session until the characters match the current levels. then we will either continue with the new rules on the campaign or revert to 5e until later.

[@lyracian]

I am in two 5e games. One GM said they will swap once all the books are out the other said we could steal stuff from this book and add to the current game. Interestingly when reading other peoples thoughts on a popular forum a lot were rejecting the new rules. Personally I would rather play with the new rules if I am playing D&D. That said I am playing in a WFRP v1 game.

[@captnjoe]

I plan on using the existing edition PHB, but will incorporate some of the new rules like healing potion as a bonus action, start a new character with one free feat, etc. There is enough info on the internet modify the existing game rather than buying books. Not to mention sticking it to Hasbro! Also, I only play D&D in person around a table, not online.

[@sqidvishus]

I passed on 5e because I was well into OSR and similar (Castles & Crusades, BECMI, Basic Fantasy RPG) but I admit, I was interested in the D&D 2024 books simply because they used the characters from the 1980's cartoons in some of the art. Yeah. I'm that sort of nostalgic nerd. But when I saw some of the video game-like monetization ideas I pulled back. Now I am a wait and see. If I could pick up the books second hand and not feel like I was contributing directly to Hasbro I'd jump on them in a heartbeat if only to peruse them and then have them look pretty on my RPG collection shelves.

[@Guy_With_A_Laser]

I think the new version sounds like it is better enough to be worth switching to in a vacuum. It's mostly just a question of whether if you are going to switch anyway, it's better to move to an entirely new system, Pathfinder or whatever, that suits your group's needs better.

[@kelvinl2214]

Everyone will be forced to use the new rulebook. How do I know? It happened to PF2e for FoundryVTT. The only way we could play the old rules was to not upgrade and be forced to use old modules that locked us out of what we have grown accustomed to using.

[@devcrom3]

There's a legacy content module, you misinformation monger.