Nobody Wants To Talk About This FGC Drama

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@chupasaurus
@chupasaurus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering this situation, and FGC in general.
@caesar1512
@caesar1512 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to have more FGC content, we want more FGC content and less bs Twitch Drama
@bomnitoperro9422
@bomnitoperro9422 2 жыл бұрын
FGC is way way waaaaaay smaller than twitch population.
@caesar1512
@caesar1512 2 жыл бұрын
@@bomnitoperro9422 yeah but twitch drama such as the gambling scandal or Mizkift's roommate scandal isn't esport
@bomnitoperro9422
@bomnitoperro9422 2 жыл бұрын
@@caesar1512 thats correct. But its hard to earn moneybin youtube
@MrSmexy702
@MrSmexy702 2 жыл бұрын
@Caesar it's not esports but a lot of followers aren't either. Their here for gaming content which twitch streamers do. If they cut out all of twitch; channel would die within a few months. No one really cares except a few people. 10-20k views aren't worth running the channel on.
@yvngtempest8031
@yvngtempest8031 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Dreckerr
@Dreckerr 2 жыл бұрын
Minor correction, Art is no longer affiliated with Team Sp00ky so it's no longer TS Sabin. Thanks for the coverage.
@DJ_Neuro
@DJ_Neuro 2 жыл бұрын
The Score esports getting details wrong? No way..... s/
@Dreckerr
@Dreckerr 2 жыл бұрын
@@DJ_Neuro well it was definitely announced after this was recorded either way so wouldn't call it a miss on their part.
@tehjburz
@tehjburz 2 жыл бұрын
@@DJ_Neuro I literally show him being removed from Team Spooky in the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIuXn4CVip2reKs
@tehjburz
@tehjburz 2 жыл бұрын
Also, it doesn't change that people knew him as TSSabin, which was the point of mentioning it.
@illford
@illford 2 жыл бұрын
@DJ Neuro did you watch the video lmfao
@KyokujiFGC
@KyokujiFGC 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the main issue here is just transparency. Art's done a lot to help promote the scene over the years, and I don't think most people would've really minded if he always said outright that he was taking a cut to cover expenses/time spent. Doing it without saying anything is for sure going to rub people the wrong way though if that's what happened. I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt 'cause he's always been a good dude anytime I've interacted with him, but the loss of community trust is something that's gonna be hard for him to get back whether he's guilty or not.
@missing_score
@missing_score 2 жыл бұрын
i think it was publicly stated (at least in some tournaments) that art was being paid for his work via a fraction of the matcherino. certainly TOs knew about that and acquiesced. but i agree it wasn't publicly, clearly, obviously stated enough. but it was at least stated to some extent at certain points in time. i think the contrast can be seen in the clarity over the percentage of the matcherino from NLBC online being used to keep Next Level open-because spooky always made it 100% clear, several times throughout every tournament, that a percentage of the funds generated was going to keeping Next Level alive during the pandemic. i believe art is innocent of stealing, but perhaps guilty of having poor communication skills.
@abysmalmonkey
@abysmalmonkey 2 жыл бұрын
He's said it multiple times on stream that he takes a cut. If you don't even watch his stream regularly why are you getting involved?
@KyokujiFGC
@KyokujiFGC 2 жыл бұрын
@@missing_score I definitely want to believe that. Art's done a lot to help the scenes I'm a part of.
@lk5388
@lk5388 2 жыл бұрын
@@abysmalmonkey you act as if people can't say he committed misconduct because we don't watch his stream. That is some pretty broken logic. If the dude took money that was not his, that is called stealing.
@ivaerz4977
@ivaerz4977 2 жыл бұрын
If people like low tier god can exist than he can too
@Hypno_BPM
@Hypno_BPM 2 жыл бұрын
it’s crazy Spooky dropped Art real quick. They’ve come up together for more than a decade and tbh i thought spooky wouldve gave him the benefit of the doubt or atleast wait for some solid evidence.
@comradetyrone2298
@comradetyrone2298 2 жыл бұрын
Probably because half of fgc legitimately thinks sp00ky IS Art so he had to make it crystal clear since him saying he was not Art was not enough
@Hypno_BPM
@Hypno_BPM 2 жыл бұрын
@@comradetyrone2298 yeah but so ? if my homey was going through some shit, personally i wouldn’t drop him the way spooky did. it seems super fucked up but than again i don’t know how their offline relationship is so i could just be way off here.
@KasAlexanderr
@KasAlexanderr 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they all discussed it and did it simply because it was easier to do that publicly, so the whole brand and its legacy wouldn't go down on some quick to cancel without the facts twitter thing. I'm 100% positive they are cool with each other.
@Hypno_BPM
@Hypno_BPM 2 жыл бұрын
@@KasAlexanderr i didn’t think of it that way, would make sense
@panikk2
@panikk2 2 жыл бұрын
The whole point of Matcherino was to prevent things like this from happening. Regardless of whatever Art's reasons for not paying on time, it's not a justification for breaking the agreement that the players are entitled to those payments in the timeframe outlined. Those prize pools are not an interest-free emergency fund loan to the TO. If he used them to get through a tough time with his family's health, that's a mismanagement of funds at the very least. There was no agreement between the players that Art would be allowed to skim whatever he deemed fit as an expense to take off the top. I get that Art is a legend, but considering how a 1st-year TO would be treated, he is abusing that status to fuck with other people's money. He is not the only person in the FGC with problems and family that could use those funds.
@Subchesire
@Subchesire 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like they banned him for something genuine and because of that Matcherino indirectly exposed themselves and the FGC over it. Or I dunno, this has huge ramifications for prize pool tourneys for them imo. Hopefully everything is discussed cleanly. Rather stay neutral in this case.
@DgDynasty
@DgDynasty 2 жыл бұрын
ive been in the FGC for a long time and as long as i can remember ART has been that guy to help push the FGC to the heights of where the community is at now Art def messed up but i truly beieve he can overcome this and show everybody he is the stand up dude that he has always shown us to be. humans mess up, this isnt something he cant come back from. good luck art
@riffcrypt8438
@riffcrypt8438 2 жыл бұрын
As others have stated it's mostly an issue of transparency. Arturo deserves to get paid for his work, just needs to be done above board. Matcherino is NOT innocent here. Within the FGC itself people mostly acknowledged that people within Matcherino had to be aware of what was going on. It looks extremely shady how hard they went after him specifically. Almost to draw attention away from them.
@Blackreapxr
@Blackreapxr 2 жыл бұрын
Matcherino has been hella shady
@ravesage
@ravesage 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Way too many people jumped the gun on this controversy and it's been making things worse not just for Arturo but for the whole FGC.
@zobinake
@zobinake 2 жыл бұрын
First of all, Respect for covering this without actually bashing the person just because that's the current wave. if he stole, He will pay for his crimes they all do eventually, But I can't shake this feeling that Matcherino may also be fishy in this story.
@LTRiiken
@LTRiiken 2 жыл бұрын
on the Rob TV part, Art is a VERY nervous public speaker. He naturally studders like crazy, so when hes put on the spot its over 9000
@easygoingdude9990
@easygoingdude9990 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the coverage as always!
@tingispingis
@tingispingis 2 жыл бұрын
It's a good day when theScore does FGC content
@orllyfools14X8
@orllyfools14X8 2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how the fgc and most esports communities will rip apart small businesses and organizers with such judgement but will still support til their dying days the companies who really are doing the worst.
@Hotdogwaterpopsicle
@Hotdogwaterpopsicle 2 жыл бұрын
Balenciago is a prime example.
@LegitCactus
@LegitCactus 2 жыл бұрын
fucking based
@armorgiraffe
@armorgiraffe 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for talking bout this more
@LegitCactus
@LegitCactus 2 жыл бұрын
Correct me if im wrong but its one of these cases: 1) art was late on tournament payouts to help out family or 2) was taking cuts of tournament payment or working to organize tournaments for a company to pay out players and work for free or 3) was stealing money from both the company and players?
@just_buka
@just_buka 2 жыл бұрын
2. He was taking cuts, which would logically not be a bad thing if he disclosed it, but he didn't disclose it
@shinmasterryu
@shinmasterryu 2 жыл бұрын
@@just_buka He actually did disclose it from what Fantiq said.
@Gramasz
@Gramasz 2 жыл бұрын
@@just_buka love when ppl can't watch the whole video... He did disclose
@trysephiroth007
@trysephiroth007 2 жыл бұрын
@@just_buka He said it on stream many times on every tournament he took a cut.
@elijahmodnar1
@elijahmodnar1 Жыл бұрын
the most important question: why? Why was they after arturo??? Who benefited??? Who has the power to cover it up??? Who?
@Pasicho
@Pasicho 2 жыл бұрын
Why did you mention Fanatiq’s over someone like Bum’s callout? Fanatiq is just a dude defending his friend. Bum runs tournaments and has was deeper insides on why Arturo’s lack of evidence doesn’t make sense. If anything if you wanted to remain completely neutral you wouldn’t mention either if anything. This is why someone in the comment is acting like Arturo has support. When even in the stream you mentioned with Rob tv no one was supporting Art. Fanatiq is a vocal minority in comparison to majors and Spooky dropping him.
@Mclucasrv
@Mclucasrv 2 жыл бұрын
He said that he has connections with Arthuro so it makes sense that he would not show that sadly.
@aesonica
@aesonica 2 жыл бұрын
Bum also has done the exact same things he's accusing Arturo of doing, on top of just straight up lies that other TOs have proven Bum wrong for saying.
@shinmasterryu
@shinmasterryu 2 жыл бұрын
this sounds like guilty until proven innocent lol. just wait until everything comes out then form a judgement.
@Jcrash71
@Jcrash71 2 жыл бұрын
Bum is not this goody two shoes guy you think he is. Research yourself instead of jumping on the bandwagon.
@Jcrash71
@Jcrash71 2 жыл бұрын
Also Fanatiq is not the vocal minority because you even had a lot of people confessing and even apologising to Art about this. You kids with cartoon pictures man 🤦
@OmegaSanctum
@OmegaSanctum 2 жыл бұрын
Gaddamn, this video really made me do a 180. Great information and objectivity shown. I thought Art was ninja skimming for sure after the twitter hate + Rob horrible interview ducking reaction.
@abysmalmonkey
@abysmalmonkey 2 жыл бұрын
I don't even watch his stream regularly, only every now and then; and yet I've literally heard him say MULTIPLE times that he takes a cut. People are so thirsty for drama and so infatuated with people's downfall that they always come out barking and biting.
@bloomallcaps
@bloomallcaps 2 жыл бұрын
He had multiple chances to clears things out but he only made himself guiltier, at this point he can only blame himself for everything that happened
@soul-software-survivor
@soul-software-survivor 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao, I thought this was going to be about the DBFZ beastiality drama at first (yes, you read that right)
@adenkyramud5005
@adenkyramud5005 2 жыл бұрын
The WHAT
@yacovmogo
@yacovmogo 2 жыл бұрын
WTF HAPPENED
@trinilawman9744
@trinilawman9744 2 жыл бұрын
The WHAT???
@copperdragon9214
@copperdragon9214 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry, the what now?
@ShaunInce123
@ShaunInce123 2 жыл бұрын
HOLD UP? WHAT?
@TrickyEileen
@TrickyEileen 2 жыл бұрын
none of us want to talk about it because we're waiting on those reciets. Glad to know Macherino is going to address this in a stream.
@MrCoolvonrad
@MrCoolvonrad 2 жыл бұрын
yes, more FGC content
@ConstantineGaming
@ConstantineGaming 2 жыл бұрын
The homie over at Button Check have definitely been keeping us posted about this, I was wondering how long you guys were gonna wait to post this
@DuvJones
@DuvJones 2 жыл бұрын
It's sensitive so I can't blame theScore basically looking into things on the downlow to sort out the facts. I ain't saying that the homie ain't good, but he follows the twitter flow and twitter comes at you fast.... not always correct.
@ConstantineGaming
@ConstantineGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@DuvJones I think as long as the facts are the facts then I'm glad that they're taking their time but they need to do that for all of their pieces I think.
@DuvJones
@DuvJones 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConstantineGaming Agreed, but that is a general journalism issue... many glass houses are build on the flow that twitter gives them and not checking the details. The problem is that those checks, take time... time is always considered money lost in some manner. A story like this with a figure like Art does force a double take and a cross check, especially if you are in the community. We have had more than one of those in the last 20 years but not all stories are this one and that is always going to be up against the "push to publish" as it use to be called.
@ConstantineGaming
@ConstantineGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@DuvJones spitting straight facts!!! I've barely been getting into the scene a couple of years ago and seeing how some channels haven't reported on the fgc as well as they should have I'm glad when they take their time and post exactly what's going on and sifting through all the bs
@DuvJones
@DuvJones 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConstantineGaming I have seen some things in my time, not really compensative but have always been adjacent to the scene. Trust me when I say this, it is a ride. I have never been wanting off of it. As I said, I don't fault anyone wanting to get it right than get it fast. One thing to be careful of is this. Fighting games are VERY social games, part of the comminty's embrace of twitter (and facebook/Gram, Tiktok) is to the need to communicate but NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, replaces showing up at a local and giving it your all. You can be an online monster all you want but these locals and regional's, they are VERY important... do try to get out to one.
@RhythmLP
@RhythmLP 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the FGC coverage
@AyeYoYoYooo
@AyeYoYoYooo Жыл бұрын
Dude always seemed very strange, and had a vibe about him like he was always nervous he was about o get caught doing some sh!t. Oozed out of him like a nervous paranoid schemer. Sabin always seemed like someone who would smile and project an innocent fun persona, all the while stealing little bits here and there from those he smiled in the face of. Dude reminds me of those slimeball Brooklyn “camera and electronics” type storefront owners, selling refurbished/damaged stuff as new, etc. Like a charicature of them types. On the other side … What is known about anything unusual happening inside Matcherino ? Who owns them and makes the decisions ?
@zechariahcaraballo8765
@zechariahcaraballo8765 2 жыл бұрын
I love seeing more fgc content, hopefully we can get better news in the future lol
@broman1449
@broman1449 2 жыл бұрын
Don't see a issue here. TOs gotta eat too. They always end with the losses
@MarginalSC
@MarginalSC 2 жыл бұрын
As long as they’re up front with how it’s being split.
@Jcrash71
@Jcrash71 2 жыл бұрын
Bum is not innocent, just because he had a mental breakdown about it doesn't mean he's innocent. The FGC needs to think for themselves for once in their lives
@JadenHybrid
@JadenHybrid 2 жыл бұрын
VOD is not papers signed by a lawyer for your fees taken out of the prize pool. Case closed. Players should be aware of the word "lawyer" and "contract".
@himuragoXD
@himuragoXD 2 жыл бұрын
If only art knew how to explain himself better there would be no drama anymore
@lebronjamesharden3958
@lebronjamesharden3958 2 жыл бұрын
nice try Arturo!
@himuragoXD
@himuragoXD 2 жыл бұрын
@@lebronjamesharden3958 more like an NYC fgc 09’ lol but if you look more into the story you can come to your own conclusions
@johndee759
@johndee759 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. Arturo Sanchez has contributed to so much to the FGC.
@thebreakdown96
@thebreakdown96 2 жыл бұрын
Basically Matcherino mismanaged finances and we're paying players through Arts personal PayPal which they knew they shouldn't have done but are so incompetent they had to. While not paying him and striking some vague agreement that he would get a percentage of the pots. Basically agreements that should never be made without rules and contracts and exact bookkeeping done not by a tournament organizer who's a competer himself. Basically they wanted him to do all this work, keep track of his own pay, and keep track of the payouts to players. There is literally no one person can do all that without any discrepancies. Matcherino should never have even put money in his personal account expecting him to do literally what they are supposed to do.
@MadSnake123
@MadSnake123 2 жыл бұрын
This sucks so much. Art was the people's champion, anyone who can remember Arturo's miracle runs on those major tournaments and saw how much work he always put in the scene knows how painful this story was.
@zxadvent19
@zxadvent19 2 жыл бұрын
Bum1six3 is one of the biggest names in the NY FGC and has discussed this issue in great detail. What do you mean no one in the FGC is talking about this? 🤨
@nothingness55
@nothingness55 Жыл бұрын
As being a member of the FGC before the FGC existed. I've known Art for almost 30 years, he's a great guy. Putting that aside, There is an entire history about fighting game tournaments and the whole issue with prize pools and how they would be divvied. There were no Venue fees when we first started gaming here on the EC (mid-ish 90's) ( I cannot speak for the WC and how they ran things-sunnyvale golfland). Out here we would usually hit 8 on the break arcade in North Jersey and flood the facility and have fun. The owner would freely let us use their arcade and allow us to keep the prize pools for ourselves to be divided amongst all winning participants; Usually a 70/20/10 split. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this ( but I'm fairly certain I'm not). One particular tournament the Arcade Owner felt a need to take a portion of the entries as a "FEE" for using their facilities, justifiable so (in hindsight only), but at that time the entire WC delegate was ready to walk out and leave the tournament. At that time the WC dominated the EC, so it was in their best interest to fight for the right to 100% of the entry fees. There was a meeting behind closed doors that resolved it ( I do not know the specifics of the agreement but the WC team decided to stay.). Shortly after this Venue fees slowly started to pop up. That was the beginning of the Venue fees, or the end of "free" tournaments. Just another FYI, NJ was the location for top SF players then. NY had a very small contingent during the SF infancy (early-mid 90s-- pre Eddie Lee days). Virginia was also pretty strong probably in A2 and 1st in ST. But NJ had the numbers, Philly did as well but it was not competitive on an organized front. A few of the New England states had a scattering of players as well. Like mentioned here, transparency is the key! We have to remember its not your money, their money, its "NOT our" money, and we must treat it as such. I was audited once by a lawyer at my business, he asked for receipts, I gave them to him no questions asked, my books matched. I had to be as up front as I possibly could. There needs to be a very up front way to handle other peoples funds. There should be no ambiguity with other peoples money. Going forward we need to learn a lesson from this. Keep track of everything you spend! Keep Receipts! Its the digital age, it should be easy, but also keep a paper trail, it may just come in handy!
@tk_yohan
@tk_yohan 2 жыл бұрын
arturo could have been transparent about his situation in money and the FGC would have supported him. really disappointing from a pioneer of helping the community out in terms of PC optimization and tournaments
@briangodwin3850
@briangodwin3850 2 жыл бұрын
I saw fgc drama and arts face. Is it wrong that i was hoping for an in-depth investigation into "the stain"???
@DJSingleTone
@DJSingleTone 2 жыл бұрын
Very good, impartial video. I appreciate all the information you collected and shared on here
@GodsLastZombie
@GodsLastZombie 2 жыл бұрын
Fanatiq is unhinged and blindly defending his friend while trying to throw other respectable and seemingly trustworthy organizers.
@aesonica
@aesonica 2 жыл бұрын
Other respectable and trusworthy organizers have been coming in defense of Arturo as well.
@LTRiiken
@LTRiiken 2 жыл бұрын
The respectable and seemingly trustworthy organizer you speak of personally dislikes Art is going above and beyond to ignite the pitchforks against him. Throwing Art under the bus to make himself look better when fanatiq has recipts of him complaining about the same policies and inconsistencies Matcherino are guilty of
@Jcrash71
@Jcrash71 2 жыл бұрын
But many have defended art too. The snowflake generation just has to own up and say sorry instead of jumping on the bandwagon
@semantik95
@semantik95 2 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of FGC heads like myself are staying quiet and reserving judgment. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's Art for putting the scene on his back for so long. This all does look sketchy, but given how poverty the FGC is, its VERY EASY to imagine scenarios where he would have to hold money to pay players. Foreign players come through all the time, domestic players that are too lazy to create a matcherino account before they win some money, running so many events you forget to post your cut on several pages, etc. FGC is so poverty in general that it is really easy to imagine there being regular scenarios where everyone involved doesn't have their ducks in a row on time and Art would have to to hold some of that money. Reaaaaalllly looking forward to what matcherino themselves say.
@dannyboy6194
@dannyboy6194 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the people need to TURN there ATENTION to MATCHERINO..... Companies like to stay quiet when they want people to get over the Situation, why ? because of Matcherino's Interest. This is MY theory and I'm gonna put this out multiple times because its all so obvious. 1) - So from what we know, Its simple. Matcherino cant have a guy who's going through financial hardship or family hardship and be in charge of the "Piggy Bank", idc who you are, you begin to mistrust a persons position when you see them go through hardship. Matcherino is not gonna TRUST ARTURO, having the situations he has right now. Why leave room for temptation pretty much. Along with the evidence of him paying late etc, well they dont want to end up in a sticky situation from people not being paid all together and so, they say, "lets just start fresh without this guy being in charge of our "Piggy Bank". "People seem to like us, lets keep it that way." (Its about Money to Mactherino) 2) - ARTURO is THE guy talking and making the "SPLASH" about FGC on PC, ... Guys again, idc who you are, again COMPANIES are not gonna like that, SONY is NOT gonna like that. Smart people see GREAT THINGS start from a mile away, and I think they already came for em n said, "YEA , WE NEED this guy OUT, BEFORE he shows that MONEY CAN be made going the PC ROUTE. I take it that ever since you began making a SPLASH he had CORP EYES on him n seeing when they can make a move n get em out before he had MORE of a say for the FGC and maybe even ESPORTS. (Region wise) 3) Matcherino, wont make a statement if the job IS ALREADY DONE. IT NOW DOESNT matter if he stole a Snickers Candy bar, or $2,000 to pay for rent. He's Out, going to be tainted by the news to all of us in our eyes(at least they hope), and It makes NO difference as to if they make a statement or not.
@semantik95
@semantik95 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyboy6194 I more or less agree except with point 2. Fighting game tournaments are a niche within a niche within a niche for Sony and a specific company that is facilitating that is an even smaller niche. I highly doubt that Matcherino is even on Sony's radar, let alone that Sony is actively pressuring Matcherino because of Art's PC tourneys. Sony only invested in Evo because its the one big fgc event that gets real sponsors and eyeballs. I doubt they would care at all if other tournaments shifted to PC. It's not even that big of an issue for tourney players. Just play on PS exclusively for a month or two running up to Evo to get used to the platform. I also only half agree with point 1. I think Arts hardship factored into it, but I'm guessing that they are trying to "clean house" because they are negotiating bigger deals with bigger companies. Art's role is clearly embarrassing for them since he is basically the face of their company while being an unpaid employee while also shifting money around. It doesn't matter if he is shifting that money to make up for their own poor functionality or out of necessity given the disorganized nature of the FGC. In fact if he really was only doing it for those reasons and not to steal money, it makes them look EVEN WORSE.
@dannyboy6194
@dannyboy6194 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the people need to TURN there ATENTION to MATCHERINO..... Companies like to stay quiet when they want people to get over the Situation, why ? because of Matcherino's Interest. This is MY theory and I'm gonna put this out multiple times because its all so obvious. 1) - So from what we know, Its simple. Matcherino cant have a guy who's going through financial hardship or family hardship and be in charge of the "Piggy Bank", idc who you are, you begin to mistrust a persons position when you see them go through hardship. Matcherino is not gonna TRUST ARTURO, having the situations he has right now. Why leave room for temptation pretty much. Along with the evidence of him paying late etc, well they dont want to end up in a sticky situation from people not being paid all together and so, they say, "lets just start fresh without this guy being in charge of our "Piggy Bank". "People seem to like us, lets keep it that way." (Its about Money to Mactherino) 2) - ARTURO is THE guy talking and making the "SPLASH" about FGC on PC, ... Guys again, idc who you are, again COMPANIES are not gonna like that, SONY is NOT gonna like that. Smart people see GREAT THINGS start from a mile away, and I think they already came for em n said, "YEA , WE NEED this guy OUT, BEFORE he shows that MONEY CAN be made going the PC ROUTE. I take it that ever since he began making a SPLASH he had CORP EYES on him n seeing when they can make a move n get em out before he had MORE of a SAY(at a player level) for the FGC and maybe even ESPORTS. (Region wise) 3) Matcherino, wont make a statement if the job IS ALREADY DONE. IT NOW DOESNT matter if he stole a Snickers Candy bar, or $2,000 to pay for rent. He's Out, going to be tainted by the news to all of us in our eyes(at least they hope), and It makes NO difference as to if they make a statement or not.
@ThePhilocypher
@ThePhilocypher 2 жыл бұрын
People are talking about this....alot. But all the information isn't out. I think we need to wait for more information before jumping to accusations. I love that FGC content isn't being covered, but I wish it wasn't this story.
@BCAJ-FGC
@BCAJ-FGC Ай бұрын
Lool seeing this video and seeing how much lower he’s spiralled is wild this year is crazy.
@fromundaman
@fromundaman 2 жыл бұрын
My concern here is that this is a nebulous situation that kicked off in the public eye with on Matcherino banning Arturo. If Matcherino does do an investigation now and finds him innocent, that could make them look bad. What I'm afraid of is that no matter what they find, the best course of action for them as a company seems to be to say Arturo is guilty, regardless of if it's true or not.
@doctorakiba
@doctorakiba 2 жыл бұрын
He was banned for not giving payouts on time, which he admitted he did. Matcherino was right in that judgement. I do agree that because of this ban, the social perception of Arturo worsened beyond the scope of the reason he was banned. However, that is a by product of a highly social community and not a factor that Matcherino could have controlled. They need to ban rule breakers or else they lose credibility, they also need to publicly declare non-affiliation as part of security.
@Triqkshot
@Triqkshot 2 жыл бұрын
Dude clearly stole and premeditated his defense. EVERY tournaments payout should be visible and public info. Coincidentally none of Arturo’s TO events are public. When someone only has excuses and not actual reasons or explanations for why they’re messing up I don’t believe them.
@MadaoAU
@MadaoAU 2 жыл бұрын
It Only helps BUM who took it upon itself to start the smearing campaign even though he knew and was doing many times the same thing. And obviously wants to steal Arturos seat in the community.
@flyingbutthole
@flyingbutthole 2 жыл бұрын
bum also steals venue fees and is well documented he's done it multiple times
@KasAlexanderr
@KasAlexanderr 2 жыл бұрын
@@flyingbutthole how exactly do you steal venue fees? it goes into running the locations expenses. that can be in any form, from rent to equipment maintenance.
@aarojpoll
@aarojpoll 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think he ever stole money I think what happened was he was just late with people's money and somebody contacted matarino about the money and then they looked at it and said what are all these side deals going on here
@TheFightingArt
@TheFightingArt 2 жыл бұрын
It's an overreaction and he deserves forgiveness. Although I fear most people have moved on and it's disappointing but not surprising how disposable people are.
@FedorMachida
@FedorMachida 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sad. I have been watching Art for years. I hope things get cleared up, but it looks like he is done with Spooky. I doubt Spooky will ever bring him back.
@JordainJ
@JordainJ 2 жыл бұрын
respect for bringing up fgc
@MrNikedunkpro
@MrNikedunkpro 2 жыл бұрын
Bless up we love the FGC content!
@fifteenbongos
@fifteenbongos 2 жыл бұрын
Feels like everyone in the fgc is talking about art lmfao
@valkyrieKNIGH7
@valkyrieKNIGH7 2 жыл бұрын
but i'm pretty sure no outside of the FGC is and that part sucks.
@DragynFyre12
@DragynFyre12 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering this. Heard the story, but learned a lot of details from this vid
@jackg6887
@jackg6887 2 жыл бұрын
No one is disputing the facts of his family member being ill causing him to not look at his phone or socials? Then how come eveyrones calling out his likes and retweets during the time he was meant to be in the ER. "oh no dads dying better retweet gootecks latest"
@Izzaiah024
@Izzaiah024 2 жыл бұрын
Man Art has done so much for the FGC you better have bullets with names on 'em to come after him.
@blues2270
@blues2270 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to wait till matcherino drops more information before I make my final judgement. I do remember watching art streams and him saying he would take a piece of the price pool. Some parts definitely do seem a bit sketchy but art has been a cornerstone of the scene for a long time so I think we should wait for matcherino to tell us happened behind the scenes.
@Freevo_Lowse
@Freevo_Lowse 2 жыл бұрын
Matcherino have been silent for over a week now, literally nada, and stuff has come out about them too
@M88G
@M88G 2 жыл бұрын
that Ultros in the background looks dope!
@sawyersimpkins9428
@sawyersimpkins9428 2 жыл бұрын
He should be getting paid, and that shouldn't come in shady forms. If we know how much competitors are getting paid, we should know how much streamers/hosts/tournament organizers are getting paid. If all amounts are agreed to by all parties, then the people watching wouldn't have to speculate as to what the real issue is.
@justingoers
@justingoers 2 жыл бұрын
Man Art has done sooooooooo much good for the FGC. He deserves mad respect. If he’s done wrong then hopefully he makes amends, says his apologizes and learns. Tournament organizers deserve a cut. It’s hella hard work and takes a ton of time. I hope this all evens out and people get what they deserve.
@shaggy-wb1yn
@shaggy-wb1yn 2 жыл бұрын
Glad this was covered outside of the fgc the fgc is one of the oldest esports and it gets so little coverage outside of the community
@CornBreadtm1
@CornBreadtm1 2 жыл бұрын
When Art takes a cut he says so on stream. Maybe he missed one time? I doubt it. But it can happen, since it's been thousands of individual tournaments. We hadn't even heard any serious complaints till Matcherino "fired" him. This is more of a witch hunt where people are looking for a mistake, rather than an actual problem where things need to be fixed. Nobody was asking about all of the fine print, they were too busy playing fighting games and getting paid out. It's been what? 5 years now and now after all of this time, people want to know how things work behind the scenes? If Art didn't have to take a break to spend time in the hospital we wouldn't even be talking about this; that's some food for thought.
@CarnaubaWax_88
@CarnaubaWax_88 2 жыл бұрын
So what player(s) is making the accusation?
@benermanfuge8050
@benermanfuge8050 2 жыл бұрын
I thought bunch of people where talking about this?
@Ravensgale
@Ravensgale 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like people only cover FGC content when bad things happen. Good to actually see some coverage on this though.
@bristow4784
@bristow4784 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man it's sad to see the FGC celebrate getting crumbs and milked for clicks when this channel does almost nothing for the community unless it benefits themselves.
@magillagorilla57
@magillagorilla57 2 жыл бұрын
aaaaAAAAAaaaa E-Sports, Sports, sports, sports
@xXAgeXx
@xXAgeXx Жыл бұрын
CAN YOU GUYS UPDATE THIS VIDEO
@krasmazov009
@krasmazov009 2 жыл бұрын
I still don't know what matcherino.
@returningwhisper
@returningwhisper 2 жыл бұрын
If he needed money all he had to do was make it transparent and charge a fee. Disgusting behavior.
@Khemith_Demon_Hours
@Khemith_Demon_Hours 2 жыл бұрын
Did Arturo just become SF6 Ken? Misunderstood and wanted by the cops?
@willn8664
@willn8664 2 жыл бұрын
I actually first heard about this from the Button Check channel.
@SadikiStGeorgeangemon44
@SadikiStGeorgeangemon44 2 жыл бұрын
So far everyone online has been back and forth defending him, many big names are trying to back him up
@comradetyrone2298
@comradetyrone2298 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know about the "nobody" part. This whole thing blew up and Art's stream explaining his side is probably one of the most viewed FGC streams ever. Do you want BBC and CNN to cover it or something?
@EdmundKempersDartboard
@EdmundKempersDartboard 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a whole lot of nothing. A kneejerk overreaction from Matcherino.
@Anonymous25491
@Anonymous25491 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine banning the guy who just ran the first ever all PC FGC tournament, FGC becoming smash like. L
@ComboSmooth
@ComboSmooth 2 жыл бұрын
oh shiiit, not Arturo. People may not know, but he was like "the original fgc streamer" Before all these organizations and companies built their on platforms/channels, it was like Arturo/TeamSp00ky or nothing.
@superbadisfunny
@superbadisfunny 2 жыл бұрын
literally everyone is talking about this.
@jdrmanmusiqking
@jdrmanmusiqking 2 жыл бұрын
I don't get it this seems like a non issue... Like... Transparency or not, in any field of work that exists in reality, the person running any event always has to take a cut in order for the freakin thing to function Gamers are just the most entitled group of humans on the planet they always want everything for free jeez. No one has complained in all these years so OBVIOUSLY this dude is trustworthy People really canceling this man for no reason i feel like im in the twilight zone wtf is goin on here
@Spencewastaken
@Spencewastaken 2 жыл бұрын
Fire like always but how do i get here so early lmao
@illsim
@illsim 2 жыл бұрын
Why is the TO taking 50% of prize pool?
@varan2412
@varan2412 2 жыл бұрын
the wolf of matcherino
@DanceOnGraves
@DanceOnGraves 2 жыл бұрын
What pisses me off is matcherinos statement. They shifted all the blame to art without accepting any accountability on their end. YOU hired him, it happened on YOUR platform. I can't trust a company like that, and until they address that, nobody else should either. Completely unprofessional!
@WonOneWun
@WonOneWun 2 жыл бұрын
Where'd this guys eyebrows go?
@WhatAboutZoidberg
@WhatAboutZoidberg 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering this and being so neutral about it. Art has done a ton for the community & Twitter was just blowing up with some wild stuff. This isn't scamming, but transparecny will help all involved going forward. Matcherino dropped a bombshell tweet like Magnus Carlson & then just let people speculate for weeks, thats pretty shitty.
@randomdamian
@randomdamian 2 жыл бұрын
12:28 Bruh... you forgot that he has VODs saying that he takes a cut? You should read your script multiple times because the logic isn't there. If people can set a cut they take via the Matcherino website, then there is no need to inform anyone because he "MENTIONED" it by adding his cut to the Matcherino settings. If he took a cut from someones "winning prize" then yes, it is stealing, if the money was taken based on the cut set in Matcherino then your logic is false. Delete this video, go over your script, edit the video and upload again.
@Freevo_Lowse
@Freevo_Lowse 2 жыл бұрын
Well a lots come out since then and matcherino do not seem they are very good themselves and have had history with issues, I don't think art is 100% to blame here
@elalcazar7374
@elalcazar7374 2 жыл бұрын
Question. Are you done with Dota 2 content?
@Neverrrrr311
@Neverrrrr311 2 жыл бұрын
Dota was never in this channel
@sonictrain1
@sonictrain1 2 жыл бұрын
I love how he completely neglects to mention that Arturo REFUSED TO show proof of ANY payouts to the players After being asked DIRECTLY by robTV as a final plea to PROVE his innocence LMAOOOO People stopped taking about it because Arturo only admitted to paying out late but LITERALLY DID NOT PROVE IT and lied and acted ignorant toward EVERYTHING ELSE. He is guilty and maycherino saying only a few weeks for a stre further addressing the situation probably means it's a pretty cut and dry legal case.
@dannyboy6194
@dannyboy6194 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the people need to TURN there ATENTION to MATCHERINO..... Companies like to stay quiet when they want people to get over the Situation, why ? because of Matcherino's Interest. This is MY theory and I'm gonna put this out multiple times because its all so obvious. 1) - So from what we know, Its simple. Matcherino cant have a guy who's going through financial hardship or family hardship and be in charge of the "Piggy Bank", idc who you are, you begin to mistrust a persons position when you see them go through hardship. Matcherino is not gonna TRUST ARTURO, having the situations he has right now. Why leave room for temptation pretty much. Along with the evidence of him paying late etc, well they dont want to end up in a sticky situation from people not being paid all together and so, they say, "lets just start fresh without this guy being in charge of our "Piggy Bank". "People seem to like us, lets keep it that way." (Its about Money to Mactherino) 2) - ARTURO is THE guy talking and making the "SPLASH" about FGC on PC, ... Guys again, idc who you are, again COMPANIES are not gonna like that, SONY is NOT gonna like that. Smart people see GREAT THINGS start from a mile away, and I think they already came for em n said, "YEA , WE NEED this guy OUT, BEFORE he shows that MONEY CAN be made going the PC ROUTE. I take it that ever since you began making a SPLASH he had CORP EYES on him n seeing when they can make a move n get em out before he had MORE of a say for the FGC and maybe even ESPORTS. (Region wise) 3) Matcherino, wont make a statement if the job IS ALREADY DONE. IT NOW DOESNT matter if he stole a Snickers Candy bar, or $2,000 to pay for rent. He's Out, going to be tainted by the news to all of us in our eyes(at least they hope), and It makes NO difference as to if they make a statement or not.
@wpmer
@wpmer 2 жыл бұрын
Technicals will be on the case soon enough! If he hasn't already put out a video.
@duel2803
@duel2803 2 жыл бұрын
people are coming down on him to hard he didn’t do anything wrong. dude admitted he was wrong then cleared it up that he disclosed he took a cut of the money what’s the problem
@SELECT289
@SELECT289 2 жыл бұрын
Still remember the look on Diago's face when Arturo beat him in the hotel money match Dhalsim vs Ryu SF4. Wonder if that vid is still out there somewhere. But, yeah I mean money = corruption so I wouldn't be surprised by anything. Bible literally says you can't make money unless you're sinning left and right, lol.
@chuckwarren9671
@chuckwarren9671 2 жыл бұрын
EVOs grand prize was like 1200 dollars this years
@MLGgoomba
@MLGgoomba 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid for the non casual fgc watcher
@Mrblackgoldfish
@Mrblackgoldfish 2 жыл бұрын
But, you guys never talk about the Canadian FGC?
@LTRiiken
@LTRiiken 2 жыл бұрын
There is one FGC, its not separated by region. The only splits are the Smash Community, and NRS is debatable
@Mrblackgoldfish
@Mrblackgoldfish 2 жыл бұрын
@LTRiiken So, your saying that Canadian FGC players are equally as good as US players name how three Canadian players that are in a esports team and it Big Tournaments such EVO, CEO and Others.
@shanebovell6733
@shanebovell6733 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not even inn the FGC and I've heard this news many times from multiple outlets but I guess that wouldn't have made for a clickbait-ey enough title😂
@KazeShikamaru
@KazeShikamaru 2 жыл бұрын
Bro is easily crooking the boos in my opinion. I love him but I fear he fucked up.
@gabealston4267
@gabealston4267 2 жыл бұрын
If you running a tourney why is it surprising that he took 10-20%. This shit don’t run for free😂
@PepinoTheGreat
@PepinoTheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
This shit is going to end up in court, for sure. Best luck to Arturo, I owe him a lot of hype and would hate to be heartbroken for money untransparency.
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