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[@HowMoneyWorks]

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[@sznikers]

Congratulations to your healthcare provider, you just delivered him potential data to refuse your treatment ; )

[@fortheswarmlord3250]

@@sznikers OMG I love being European

[@Danilio.]

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[@bababoeythehorsemen8462]

bruh is yt to sensitive in that title word hell nah

[@7S5y3X.0th]

I don't. I'm working 3 days per week and don't want to work more regardless of money, it's not worth it.

[@wojciech_leszczynski]

I used to work for 7 years as an optical engineer in a small engineering company that was the closest to perfection. Work was demanding, but the company was a meritocracy, whose boss had more knowledge than all of us combined. We had no team building activities, because we didn't even need this in the first place. Then, we were purchased by a large corporation that focused its efforts in erasing our name and getting rid of everything that made us so successful and attractive, and put in place a ridiculous stereotypical bureaucracy. Each one of us got assigned a manager with no engineering skills, who couldn't even device a lens. We had to attend useless weekly meetings, and during our annual evaluations, got rated solely on our attendance to weekly meetings, rather than on our actual engineering job. Most people want to work. They just want to work with a purpose, for the right people

[@benjamindover4337]

This is happening everywhere. Private equity is systematically hollowing out the entire economy, company by company, and dismantling our society along the way.

[@potato88872]

Basicaly, you become amazon, where manager don't care about you except for giving you a fake feedback about how great you move the safety chair 1m to the right

[@wojciech_leszczynski]

@@benjamindover4337 this is something most people in the world can agree on, but we all let this happen:(

[@ppmny7015]

Hear, Hear!

[@calebpastrana4168]

Literally this. Have been a cook for a decade with the goal of getting a high paying hotel job. Finally got it, worked in it for three years, hated every minute of it, thought I hated cooking and working. Not until I quit and went back into a small steakhouse restaurant where I don’t just enjoy every second of it but I actually look forward to going to work. It is all about HOW a business is run and WHO you work with and for.

[@jordibt1789]

Children no longer yearn for the mines :(

[@sc3ku]

Alas!

[@leaf16nut]

Not true where I live, so many of my friends have quit their jobs and are headed to the mines; shifts are 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and your starting salary is around 100k..

[@peanutgallery5427]

​@@leaf16nutwhere

[@peanutgallery5427]

​@@leaf16nutplease man

[@ChiefGore429]

Just pay a living wage and everyone would work again. Remember when you could buy a house and support a family of 4 as a milk man?

[@kateismostlygoodwmoney]

GenZ don't think that 600K is a realistic salary. It's the salary they think is needed to be financially successful. Those are two different things. Maybe houses shouldn't cost a million dollars.

[@BOSSDONMAN]

Agreed. Plus ppl need to think about things in context. Gen Z has only been in the workforce for about 4-5 years max. What have we seen in that time? We've seen rents and housing double with groceries nearly tripling. So are we going to see rent double again within the next five years? If so, it totally makes sense why they are saying they need that much.

[@BOSSDONMAN]

The BBs destroyed the economy

[@nicklibby3784]

Exactly. If you do the math and understand the gens perspektive it is not that ridiculous. Im on the cusp of being Millennial - GenZ. So I'm an old Gen Z I say. Mid 20s. We grew up through the 2008 Housing Crisis and subsequent economic crash. And for those too young to really understand during 2008, they sure as heck remember their parents having to climb their way back up the ladder in the 2010s. Our generation was constantly taught debt was bad, and reminded with many examples of how predatory debt can be. Personally I understand the importance of building credit and when debt is okay. But many GenZ are either 100% anti debt or gladly use credit cards for everything. But most don't bother with a even credit card. Typically the mortgage lenders & banks will not let you buy a home unless the cost of the mortgage is under 25% or your monthly income. Some predatory lenders will do 50%. And you can probably weasel your way to get the mortgage to be 25% of your income on a expensive house but you'll get screwed in the long run and pay sooo much more and take a loss on the house in the end unless you live there a long long time. Most Gen Z consider a middle class or upper middle class suburban house as what a "financially successful" person could afford. And most of these middle class suburban houses are 1 million or over now. Sometimes $750k in cheaper areas away from the big cities (which have jobs( and even in the Midwest a smaller middle class house is now half a million dollars!!!!! So that's mean, a person on a $600k a year salary wouldn't be able to get a mortgage on a standard middle class home in a big city (which has the jobs) because it would cost 50% or more of their monthly salary. And you can't get a mortgage unless it's 25%. Only extremely extremely predatory lenders would do a 50% monthly salary mortgage!!! And because of gen z's experience through 2008, and the debt scare as children and teens. They want to buy a house with as little debt as possible, and don't want a ridiculously long mortgage that's screws you over bad or a adjustable mortgage which could "2008" you easily. So yeah, from gen z's perspective. $600k a year is not as crazy as you'd think. But I'd still say it is a little high. I guess it all depends on your opinion about what you consider "financially successful"? Does that mean you can simply survive and raise kids? Or does it mean you can live reasonably comfortably and a emergency won't bankrupt you and you can have a few nice things. I think most Gen z would say $100k a year is what you need to survive reasonably comfortably without worrying about a emergency bankrupting you or having to be super frugal.

[@donnahannaford6840]

G'day mate, see you're an Aussie as well... 2=3 million in Sydney, for a 3 bedroom 1 bathroom weatherboard home that's likely 60 years old, that will cost another $500,000=$750,000 just to upgrade the wiring, plumbing,

[@Kni0002]

Quit my graduate coding office job earning 72k a year to focus on my own ventures. So far no regrets, sadly 70k is not a viable salary even if I work for a few years and maybe hit 100k its still not very much compared to what a house costs...

[@beanyrice]

There are no such things as "jobs americans dont want to do". There are only jobs that dont pay enough.

[@Shoot231]

Completely agree. Same in the UK

[@s1d3ll18]

And if you do have a good job you will be kicked out so a young person gits it or it is taken over by bots

[@robrockstar9648]

I disagree. I would rather die then every work a customer service job every again.

[@aim3k249]

People will do anything if the pay is high enough. That's wat Squid Game was all about.

[@Liero1234]

​@@robrockstar9648300k a year. You'd be throwing away your family's future security at that point and stick it out until the fu money came.

[@kaijuultimax9407]

"Nobody wants to work" for wages that guarantee that even if you work full time, you're still stuck at home living with your parents while they complain about how you're lazy and "don't want to move out"

[@Wahinies]

"By the time I was your age I owned two houses for $20,000 and a firm handshake"

[@jeffw991]

While true, it’s only half the story. *Also* nobody wants to work at jobs where they are treated like garbage by both customers and their employers. Employers who give no loyalty get no loyalty. Employers who give no respect get no respect.

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

Go into negotiations with a "3x average local rent for a studio" (i.e. the bare minimum for a traditional adult existence) and they'll try to whittle you down from there. "No problem, I'll work remote." Nah, you'll live 3 to a studio or with your parents working a job that requires six years of postsecondary education, never have sex and never own anything.

[@paulgavian90]

​@@Wahiniesat 28 I got my first house and racked up 25 k in 3 yrs but I BUSTED MY ass and had NO LIFE. It's possible but now losing it because of a back injury

[@kennethoneill4176]

Right now I don't have a license or a car. It's much harder to get a license than almost 30 years ago and my first car cost 1,000 and my insurance then was 1,000$ a year as a new driver. I can't even afford to get to a decent paying job today A used car would cost me what 10000$ as a cheap car and I would not be able to fix it if it broke down. A one bedroom apartment on the bad side of town is 1200 a month and food prices you need to have time to shop and prepare food. So I need to make 4000- 5000 a month to get the same lifestyle I had when I was 20 and barely making 1500 a month

[@ak5659]

This reminds me of a quote I read years ago from some famous economist: 'If you cannot attract and retain sufficient employees for your positions, your total compensation package is insufficient. End of story. There is nothing to talk about.'

[@MannIchFindKeinName]

Germany has the same problem, and last year it was horrible for the service industry to find workers after covid again. Except for all the restaurants that understood the signs and modernized their schedules, roles and (sometimes) payment structures. Wwe got to see quite a few examples to see, and one restaurant just decided that after each season they will close for 2 weeks, with full pay, as they didnt find the necessary employees and seasons became insanely hard on their left workers. Turns out, even the owner really loved the schedule, they got to find and keep the missing workers, and that's it... Sometimes its really not that hard to make even a hard job bearable, but that flies over the heads of rich kids sitting in their luxury cars and their class traitor friends. (there were a lot more models shown, though. like 4 day week works, honest profit sharing, dual occupation for the same job etc)

[@frankvonfrauner]

My boss has had other employers in his industry show up and threaten him for poaching employees by paying above industry standards.

[@Croz89]

​@@MannIchFindKeinNameRestaurants can often end up in a death spiral when they raise wages unfortunately, as demand is typically fairly elastic. They raise wages, menu prices go up, so customers either order less or don't visit so often and profits disappear anyway, and the restaurant closes. But then again I guess that just proves that many restaurants are passion projects that are financially unsustainable long term.

[@kanucks9]

​@@Croz89indeed - because feeding people is the bottom block of society. It has to be cheap for poor people, so it can't be highly paid. Ironically, waitresses make lots of money in North America, because of the insanity that is tipping.

[@alexanderredhorse1297]

marx predicted this happening over 150 years ago. i saw this happening over a decade ago - this is the biggest "told you so" moment right now for anyone who actually reads into political economy.

[@gdj777]

Companies don't wanna pay either.

[@Senorzilchnzero]

American greed. Why make thousands of your employees lives better when instead you can buy another 10m dollar yacht. Bezos is hailed as some great man. I dont see him that way at all. I cant stand people that put Bezos on a pedestal just because he's rich. Amazon workers were getting worked hard and underpaid. And for what? So that he can buy a 500m dollar yacht and spend time on it w his fake face, fake boobs, ex divorcee single mom? LOL One of the top bachelors in the world decides to marry an aging, single mom. That pretty much sums up where our societys mind is at.

[@ashishpatel350]

consumers also dont want to pay either.

[@crunceeze]

​@@ashishpatel350 it's in the consumers's best interests 🤷‍♀️

[@ashishpatel350]

@@crunceeze lol no it's not. Paying more for something doesn't directly mean it's a better product or service

[@Graemyr]

​​@@ashishpatel350Sure, but paying less for things 100% means you're getting less in return. No such thing as a free lunch.

[@BusanDalint]

No work = cant afford house/family/holidays/anything BUT free time for hobbies, no stress Work = still cant afford house/family/holidays/anything BUT no free time for hobbies, lot of stress

[@user-ic9vz8sp1x]

I do have free time but I feel aimless, how do you even get motivated/disciplined enough to pursue your hobbies?

[@atroxiv]

​@@user-ic9vz8sp1xyou shouldn't need discipline to pursue your hobbies. Find ones you like, not ones that look good on a resume.

[@bohemianprince7944]

Hobbies can be considered work too. Work isn't so just because it earns you money. Work is defined as: "the effort it takes to move something." So most white collar and admin jobs don't even technically qualify. So those hobbies: gardening, woodworking, arts and crafts, etc. count as work. It's just that our society doesn't reward it with money. And now we don't get to work for the resources itself. We work for our gov coupons that we trade in for coupons. It's an arbitrary and deceitful system that castrates the workers, and keeps their wheels spinning. It's all a trick to keep you down, and since the people who make the rules are already born into enormous wealth, the system is really there to ensure the separation between the wealthy and impoverished.

[@SetariM]

Having no job is a lot of stress unless someone else is paying your bills, then you can't really talk on it.

[@bohemianprince7944]

​@@user-ic9vz8sp1x Start with a nap. Work is designed to take all your energy away and leave you tired. Start with resting, then make a list of what you want to accomplish. Break those items into steps, and tackle those steps one at a time. Perhaps even one step/day. the work will eventually compound, and as you work on it, you gain knowledge and efficiency, and you produce faster.

[@Leonie-Rosales]

What an odd coincidence that companies that pay decently and don't treat people like throwaway diapers seldom experience employment shortages.

[@johnlee8523]

During the shortages of '21 my industry also got hit with the freeze in Texas that ruined materials that we desperately needed. Noone was getting product but people were demanding it anyway so i got creative, worked my ass off and with no help from anyone above me and made it work and we ended up being 30%+ higher sales then the year before. Next year i got a 3% raise, the one i get every year. Yeah, im not doing anything extra anymore.

[@Mrfinch9999]

In a world where “you are not entitled to anything,” you get nothing for going above and beyond. Which makes sense, you are supposed to do the job assigned to you.

[@jomaoliveira7949]

Probably, a guy above you took the credits from your work and was properly rewarded. That's how corporate system works.

[@SuprousOxide]

So many times I heard that OUR department had had an amazing year. But because the company as a whole did poorly, there would be no raises (or insultingly low raises). Vague promises that they'd make up for it when the company did better.... that as expected were never fulfilled.

[@harmoniousrex]

Pretty much this. At the end of this year I will have overseen a full $1,000,000,000 MORE in income for my company than my next-closest peer. My metrics are also immaculate and I took zero sick days. I anticipate a raise of less than 3% and no bonus. This after a full fifth of my fellow research directors quit in the same year. Edit: meant a million. $1.5 million, by the look of how things are going, actually.

[@SetariM]

Yeah, worked my ass off for 2 years at a gas station, kept the place afloat and employees in line for the boss despite not being paid to do so, far from it. And then I schedule 1 day off 3 months in advance for a video game release, get it approved, then my boss needs me to come in THAT DAY and I say "no", and she ends up trying to give me a 5 cent raise because of the ONE day I scheduled off in advance. Her boss said minimum raises are 10 cents. Made me so mad because I worked pretty closely with her boss as well and the fact the dude didn't go to bat for me really was a load of crock. So I stopped trying lmao. Now I *would* just go to work, do what I'm supposed to do, and leave, if I *had a frieakin job*.

[@codycomer4623]

I got my degree, applied to several hundred jobs in my field, got 1 call back. Did 3 rounds of interviews, they were cagey about pay which was a red flag but not like I was flooded with options. Got offered the job and they told me the most they could offer for this medical job requiring a science degree was 12.50/hr. The city this job was in that literally didn’t cover rent much less all the other bills you have just to live. Then they got mad and yelled at me for wasting their time if I didn’t want the job when I told them that I really wanted that job, but that wage wasn’t sufficient to pay bills. I mean I guess I dodged a bullet with that company, but it’s very frustrating to bust your butt, get excellent grades and a pile of extra curricular experience and awards, then still be doing the same backbreaking manual labor you went to school to get out of because no one wants to hire you for a wage that will let you do fancy high brow things like live indoors or have running water.

[@basman5591]

The demand for more workers just isn't there I guess. Otherwise companies would be less wishy-washy, logically.

[@codycomer4623]

@ I guess at the corporate level that’s how they feel. I know people in the industry and they are all overworked and desperate for more help. But in healthcare companies really take advantage of the fact that we care about our patients and they’ll dangerously understaff us and put us in crap situations knowing we will overwork ourselves, run ourselves ragged, and put ourselves at risk rather than let patients suffer. And for companies that’s just a big free license to cut staffing costs to the bone and keep the profit

[@michaelw6277]

That’s bananas. I can get a job tomorrow driving a school bus for $20/hour, growing to as much as $30 an hour with some time. I can’t imagine making less in a position that requires an undergrad.

[@michaelw6277]

@ what’s it going to take to change that? Is unionization an option?

[@codycomer4623]

@@michaelw6277 man I wish I knew. Its hard cuz its not a job you do to get rich, you do it because you want to help people and so it’s tough to get people who went into a field with that mindset to really dig in and fight over $. Short term you do see some places where there’s been some pushback. Nurses especially have dug their feet in a bit because it’s getting so bad it’s dangerous for patients and staff. So we’re rooting them on lol Long term, not to get polarizing, but I don’t think the aggressive corporate model is at all sustainable for healthcare. It’s bad for patients and providers alike, we can’t give you the best care, just the best care your insurance will cover and it’s an infuriating system to try to work in.

[@Leonie-Rosales]

We can always afford to compensate C-suire executives, but we can't afford to pay the people who actually do things. It truly gets you thinking.

[@newsjohnson]

Yeah, gets you thinking to go create your own. So do it.

[@hardbass2825]

​@@newsjohnson most subtle bait:

[@bearcatdog858]

​@@newsjohnson KZbin started hiding it so I want you to know I sent you a dislike

[@ethanwilliams1880]

@@newsjohnson Ditto loser, kekw.

[@jayknowles2146]

@newsjohnson well if isn’t the CEO of a company that pays livable wages himself, truly an honor.

[@noahlamoureaux6462]

What's crazy in the United States is that you can have a full-time job, be homeless, and the U.S. government will not consider you to be living in poverty because you make too much, yet you can't afford to rent, let alone buy a house.

[@prettyboyjeremy]

@@noahlamoureaux6462 considering I had an above average pay and making 36 dollars an hour it took me over 45 days to make $3000 after taxes. My mortgage is 1611 because my taxes went up. Again.

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

This exact topic needs much more attention. 👀

[@thehonesttruth8808]

Lol, only in the highest cost cities like CA and NYC…if ure homeless and working full-time, you have other problems or are straight-up dumb when you can rent a room for $500-$1200 per month anywhere in the country

[@aquageist]

It's a problem with a lot of the government programs right now. They have income ceilings that are lower than the amount they pay out for support, and if someone is on more than one program, they all drop out at around the same time. I know people who have quit because they were going to get a raise that would have put them a few dozen bucks above the line, which would cause them to lose hundreds in benefits they were already barely surviving on. The system is broken.

[@Skumm93]

@@aquageist then you get jackasses wanting to strip away the welfare system because 'People are milking the system'. It's a double edged blade.

[@prettyboyjeremy]

Short answer: No one wants to PAY 2 Work.

[@relo999]

More accurate answer: Consumers don't want to pay for higher wages.

[@infini.tesimo]

​@@relo999opposite in companies don't. Most of these small companies shouldn't exist because they can't pay people a living wage which greatly varies depending on what state you're in. $28 per hour might let you live like a king in Texas but you'd be in poverty in New York.

[@Walterrinho]

@@infini.tesimoyou should look at the big companies that don’t pay well too. They have record profits year over year yet dont give good raises if at all.

[@sayorancode]

@@relo999 i think that is less accurate, if i could pay a farmer directly it would cost less bc no middleman

[@apolloferrero8664]

I literally got hired at an ice cream shop and was demanded to BUY a company branded hat because it was mandatory part of uniform 😐 not to mention I applied for full time and they only gave me one free work shirt! Also had to buy an apron before even getting my foot in the door

[@lancebennington5327]

No one wants to work for free anymore. Wages haven't rose in like 40 years. Inflation on the other hand has skyrocketed. We use to be able to provide for a family on ONE income. Now you need 2-3 incomes per household just to SURVIVE.

[@ak5659]

Yes! I stared in my present career 30+ years ago with no credentials. I literally auditioned for my job. Now? I have a master's degree and national certification. Adjusted for inflation I make just $5/hr more than I did when I started.

[@JohnSmith-qe6fb]

@@ak5659 That is insane! I struggled to understand why I was worse off now than a decade ago until I realized that inflation had eaten the 40% increase in regular salary in my "career". I no longer can save for retirement and wonder what the hell the point is anymore.

[@Cwm02]

My wife and I make 2.5x what we made 10 years ago and while we do have kids now, we don't feel wealthy at all. We struggle to save for retirement and still only buy groceries on sale. We had 1 old car that was paid off until it was recently in a wreck and now we have a car payment that costs a fortune. Interest rates exploded, so did groceries and insurance. We make significantly more than the national average household in a cheap town and we just don't understand how people are making ends meet if we're struggling this much.

[@kenshinyang7375]

​@@Cwm02that where the government should step in and say we shouldn't tax essential like foods, clothes, medications and that food and water is a human right.

[@therussianemirati]

@@kenshinyang7375 The government has trillion dollar interest payments, which will balloon to tens of trillions in the next ten years. Their private banking overlords will never allow that to happen, otherwise, they will get less real money and more of that fake, printed money.

[@oftensalty]

I’m 40 and I never wanted to work. Why the hell would anyone want to work? We work because we have to, not because we want to. If somebody can get by without having to subject themselves to working, then more power to them. Edit: Crazy how many brainwashed people there are who seem to assume that work is the only way to find meaning in one's life or that the simple solution is to find the job you want. There are many ways to find purpose and a universe where people didn't have to work wouldn't necessarily be one where people just "do nothing" as so many people seem to suggest. It means that it would be a universe where people get to pursue the things that they are interested in and passionate about and challenge themselves in ways that they want to as opposed to all of those things being dictated by the people who sign their paychecks and control their career advancement. Also, almost nobody finds "the job they want" out of the game. No matter what field you're in, there's a ladder to climb and entry level positions are universally full of bullshit that you need to endure to pay your dues. You want to do cancer research? Enjoy working crappy internships. You want to develop video games? Enjoy working QA or coding some garbage to get your foot in the door and build the reputation/connections you need for somebody to invest in your idea. You want to be an audio engineer at a recording studio? Enjoy spending a year or two fetching coffee and paying your dues (maybe these days you'll actually even be paid). You don't think that even people like Bezos, Gates, or Zuckerberg had to eat some sh*t before they got to where they are today? Nobody starts off where they want to be. We all work to get there, even if some do have an easier road than others. You can eat sh*t in school, eat it in an internship, eat it in a trade apprenticeship, etc. I can guarantee you that if you are in a happy place in your employment today, it's on the back of likely years spent in a much less happy place building yourself up to your current position and undoubtedly there were many other people who worked just as hard as you and were maybe even more talented than you that never made it out of that less happy place because life isn't a pure meritocracy and only so many people can succeed.

[@borrago]

You're the kind of lazy millennial that gives our generation a bad name.

[@CLxJames]

Thank you. Finally some sense in the comments

[@aidanfriedfeld8889]

Kind of not the point? No shit you HAVE to work. The problem is the mental degradation of working a menial job where you’re treated like shit and barely make enough to scrape by. Theres also the issues of advancements in production tech only really leading to higher quotas and profit margins not necessarily higher wages for workers when compared to inflation. Theres also the issue of wages being stagnant for 50 years while some CEOs get 50% raises. It’s not just that work in itself is a thing people don’t wanna do, because of course no one WANTS to work unless it’s something they’re passionate about but that’s a completely separate issue from the main reasons people don’t want to work rn. Basically you’re kind of just making the “we all have to do things we don’t want to” point when the actual conversation is how do we fix the fact that entry level jobs don’t pay enough to afford basic cost of living.

[@MrTeapots]

Exactly. The only people who have ever enjoyed work are those who own or direct the workplace. That is not most of us. For the vast majority work is not a pleasure or a calling it is a necessity and thus it has always been. That doesn't mean there cannot be enjoyable aspects and people but most people would rather be doing other things.

[@mageyeah7763]

@@aidanfriedfeld8889It’s entirely the point. The “nobody wants to work” complaint comes from businesses attempting to deny the reality that no one ever wanted to work, trying to blame young people when the problem is jobs that don’t pay enough to attract employees. I’m working an overtime day today because they offered me double time. Pay people enough, they will show up.

[@randya430]

If you do work, just do the bare minimum. The reward for working hard isn’t a raise, it’s more work or someone else’s work.

[@blubug768]

I learned that at 19, hook ups for fuck ups and if you're the hard worker it just means you have to do their job too.

[@DaughterofDiogenes]

Exactly. I tell young people to go in just one step above bumbling idiot. Show a lot of initiative and desire to improve. Make strategic connections with higher ups who like you and get them to want you to succeed. Let them “help” you improve. Slowly improve and make sure to let the person who is helping you know how much you appreciate them, yada yada. Now if you’ve been strategic enough you now have a good base of wealthy high paid people who want to see you succeed. There you go…welcome to success. It has worked for me every single time. Now at a certain age you have to be the expert…you can’t still be struggling at 40. 😂

[@rainacherienne1010]

This. My first job taught me this. I worked very hard and was only getting more tasks to the point I couldn’t make it. Never was offered anything more, no more money, no better title. My next job - I do the very minimum and once in several months I do something extra, and they are thrilled that I did more, I always get some award for it 😂

[@pamparam3495]

Or you will be laid-off for all years of hardworking

[@DaughterofDiogenes]

@ exactly!!! It’s the same way in education. If you do poorly, you will be promoted. If you are good, not only will you get trapped in the classroom, but they will also lay the worst students on you every year. Your class will get worse and worse and eventually your scores will tank because what made you good was having a good mix of students you could motivate. Once they take all those kids and give them to the principals pet teachers, you will be left ready to pull your hair out. And then when you do a great job with those kids, and make the principals pets look bad, they bully you until you quit. And all of this for $50k a year 🤣😂

[@kristianlavigne8270]

“We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us” - Soviet saying

[@SeverusFelix]

My boomer parents: "nobody wants to work!" Also my boomer parents: "I can't find a new job and my retirement isn't enough!"

[@redwolfexr]

Yeah, the jobs available to retired boomers tend to be very low paying because if they had a marketable "skill" they would have made more money when worked and not needed to "un-retire." I already decided to expat for the first 5 years of retirement (while I still can) -- planning to retire at 62-64.

[@vegetashairline3060]

boomers created this mess, they kept voting in politicians with "kick the can down the rode" mentalities, because they happily assumed THEY would never have to see the can actually stop moving. Actually evil

[@PatrickRiendeau-m3v]

Well, the boomers had their chance. I'm far more concerned about young families trying to get by.

[@riffmondo9733]

@@redwolfexrbs

[@riffmondo9733]

People who use the term “boomer” are losers.

[@vegetashairline3060]

WRONG. Nobody wants to work and still be DIRT POOR at the end of every month because of below poverty level wages. We watch as corporations BRAG about record profits, and yet us the employees that made that happen get penny pinched into oblivion. The harder we work, the more work we are given, but NOT comparable increases in pay. The COMPANIES have trained us not to work harder, we are only playing their game as they set it.

[@tjenadonn6158]

When all hard work gets you is harder work for the sane pay there's no incentive to work harder. It's just that simple.

[@Kas1122]

Simply if you just don't find yourself being compensated fairly you can just leave and find a place that does. Ofc when there are too many people seeking similar jobs companies can more easily afford lower salaries. Simple free market

[@joshman1019]

The problem was the poor handling of the 2008-2010 housing crisis. When the huge numbers of foreclosures came around, investors scooped up every bit of the available housing for things like Air-BNB and other short term rental properties. They left crumbs for two entire generations to fight over. What we need is extensive housing regulations, and based on the falling prices lately, I believe that we will see some vast improvements. So we are switching from a vacation market to a fundamentals market. Investors will go broke if they do not sell off at a reasonable price right now.

[@JuanSmithers]

​@@Kas1122 getting a new job is substantially more stressful than working a job, and when you're already working it can take a completely unreasonable amount of time as well. Also, there are services that basically let companies price-fix their pay, just as there are services for landlords to do the same. This is a fundamentally asymmetrical market in terms of information and resources, no wonder one side always seems to be coming out better than the other.

[@Lori1Cor15]

Crony capitalism

[@tristan7216]

Those gen z 600k salary demands are not about realistic expectations of pay, they're about what it would take for them to buy a house and have kids, and they're pretty realistic looking at the curves ☠️

[@nielskorpel8860]

It is the amount of money with which a normal life is realistic.

[@bradley6386]

Maybe if you live in Seattle or new York lol you can buy a house. People buying my house have regular jobs. A garbage man and his wife has a regular job. We have younger friends who bought a house. Guy is a landscaper his wife is a nurse. My brother in law bought a house but he had to move to Tennessee.

[@lazurusknight2724]

@@bradley6386 Exceptions do not prove a rule, and the idea that you thought YOU, one of only 375 MILLION PEOPLE, have had an experience that matches that majority of people, or indeed, even worthy of consideration, tells me you are a Boomer. Looks at datasets, not your experience. We are long passed the time where boomers emotions matter.

[@sk8ingthemystery]

Bruh I make 200k a year and that is plenty, I'm not in LA or NY but in another major city. $600k is ridiculous

[@danielserrano929]

@@bradley6386Those jobs don’t sound great, bro.

[@jessip8654]

Still thinking about an article i read where a restaurant owner was freaking out because Canada was rolling back the temporary foreign workers program, so he now had to pay his workers minimum wage and claimed he "couldn't afford it."

[@Alex-me3yn]

reminds me of the "welfare slaves" episode of its always sunny

[@Nawras672]

good

[@nagisa9147]

Average Canadian small business, tbh. Trying to compete with big box stores by undercutting your prices and passing the “cost” onto your employees by not wanting to pay them fairly, so you just hire TFWs and pay them pathetically low wages. Meanwhile consumers don’t understand the true cost of their goods because big corporations can afford to slash prices and devalue small businesses (think uber losing money on every ride to maintain low prices compared to taxis).

[@danielskrivan6921]

Minimum wage went up in WA, my friend couldn't afford their business anymore and closed. All their employees went from $9/hr to unemployed. It was a part time job for high school and college kids, but still took them out of employment.

[@tarlkudrick1174]

@@danielskrivan6921 Then your friend had a business model that couldn't succeed anyway. There was some kind of significant mismatch between what your friend's business produced and what customers were willing to pay for.

[@madatlas3806]

"No one wants to work anymore" yeah, no one wants to pay anymore, either.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

for sure. Had new customer yesterday. Quoted him $175 for 1 hour labor to fix his $6k vespa scooter and he started flipping out. like i seen a youtube video where it looked easy he said. well his repair attempt didnt work. I used to mow lawns but no one wanted to pay more than $25 a week. I got that in 1988! You should be paying $200 a week to get someone to cut your grass now.

[@michaeltorrisi7289]

Feels like that was the part of the video where he talked about unrealistic wage expectations. In urban areas, you're looking at $20/hr for fast food. I'm living in Mississippi right now, which is not topping the charts as a prosperous place to live. Cook Out is paying $13/hr. Now that's only $27k/yr, but the cost of a 1 bedroom in town is ~$600/mo, so at $2250/mo, you're nearly hitting 4x rent with a base line job. Work at the steel mill, you're looking at closer to $30/hr or $5,200/mo, which leaves you a couple thousand a month in disposable income. No degree required. Problem is, people, especially (as the video notes) young people, expect to get a degree, then get a job that pays off that degree in 5 years or less and leaves them making fuck you money for the rest of their life.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

@@michaeltorrisi7289 MS is cheapest place to live in USA now!

[@altrag]

@@michaeltorrisi7289 > expect to get a degree, then get a job that pays off that degree in 5 years or less No, the problem is that expectation has been broken. As has the expectation of working a regular 9-5 and making enough for a family and a house and a white picket fence. People, especially young people, have _no expectations at all anymore._ They feel like they have little hope of even getting by never mind getting ahead no matter how hard they work, and that's rapidly draining them of the will to bother trying.

[@the_9ent]

@@SgtJoeSmithDo you get much business charging that rate?

[@flatcapfiddle]

I'm a millennial with a Degree. I work a job that causes me so much stress it gives me physical symptoms but the full time pay doesn't cover all my bills. It feels so futile.

[@behrensf84]

The biggest problem is when you ask the employer, "what do I need to do in this job to make $X" they can't provide you with a straight answer. Most employees would be happy to put in the effort, if the rewards were explicitly stated. Instead we get wishy washy vague promises of carrier advancement and recognition. I want hard numbers. Deliver ABC and get XYZ.

[@blahblahblah-uw4uf]

They don’t actually know, because they never have the intention of giving you the option to be anything more than an obedient drone who follows orders. Nothing more.

[@rainacherienne1010]

Yea, don’t we love being “recognized” for the hard work.

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

​@@blahblahblah-uw4ufSo why can't they let you know which orders you will get?

[@blahblahblah-uw4uf]

@@spaghettiisyummy.3623 Because they are terrible at being “managers” of people.

[@SolarPowerMyRV]

💯

[@Iselas181]

I went through 5 jobs in a 2 year period. Manager of a Walmart? Boring, corrupt and toxic workplace, expected to work for free after hours, lots of hassle from corporate. Manager of a Starbucks same thing. Then I did a u turn and worked as a forester, great job boss actually cared but for how hard the work was and how dangerous it just wasn't worth the risk. Finally I now work in law enforcement, daily I see rampant corruption, officers not doing any work while a handful do everything. Only reason I am staying atm is because I work alone, and I have a good relationship with most of the public, I like helping people so I spend most of my day just trying to be helpful. I have been told that I am not making enough arrests by my supervisor but my response was simply to say my job isn't to arrest all the time but to serve my community and protect those that need. Still been thinking about another career change.

[@RealHomeRecording]

in short.... most bosses are azz hats and are on ego/power trips. Good bosses are like finding gold!

[@TheBoSsamp]

Would you mind sharing some details on that forester job ? What made you apply, what was it like, why was it so dangerous ?

[@ZESTdabest]

Serve and protect. My respect, mate. Our society survives on selfless people like you

[@redcarrot1148]

Good on you, sir. We need more like you in law enforcement.

[@RealHomeRecording]

@@redcarrot1148 agreed!

[@2MeterLP]

In the 50s people had a house, car, stay at home wife and three children with the income from a grocery store job. Now that job barely feeds and houses a single person. I sure wonder why people are not motivated to work...

[@adambickford8720]

Apartments didn't even exist until the mid 2000s.

[@shadowthesi]

@@adambickford8720 lol what? Apartments have been around for centuries. Apartments date back to the Roman Empire.

[@adambickford8720]

@@shadowthesi You're almost getting it

[@2MeterLP]

@@adambickford8720 Getting what? If you have a point state it.

[@adambickford8720]

@@2MeterLP If what you said was even remotely true, a single person would be able to support themselves on like 5-10 hours of work a week. It would be almost impossible to *not* own a home. I promise you that didn't happen.

[@Bem-r6p]

I just started Amazon delivery. They wont even pay for a full shift even if you finish early. I got to a point in my life that I don't care anymore. Meaning Ill quit whenever I feel like it. No more loyalty. No more bending over backwards for employers. Dont care if I get fired. Once you stop caring, things are much easier actually.

[@GreggyMcfly]

True. And if you have your own health plan it becomes even less stressful since you won't lose the benefits. Just rinse and repeat...

[@mph5896]

The incentive in finishing early is you get paid less. Therefore you don't finish early and get paid the full amount. Loyalty is a thing of the past. I am an hourly employee that trades 1 hour of pay for 1 hour of work. There are some other minor perks that incentivize me to stay such as health care, time off and retirement plan. But overall 1 hour work=1 hour pay.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

meanwhile i cant find people to mow lawns for $80 an hour

[@irinab7524]

@@SgtJoeSmithDIY….buy a lawn mover, edger and do it on the weekends. Good for your health and pay off all equipment during the first summer

[@ghoulbby]

@@SgtJoeSmith There is _zero_ chance that you're posting on Facebook "paying $80 an hour for someone to mow a yard" and get not a SINGLE person who is willing. _BS._

[@Secret_Takodachi]

I'm a "part-time" employee for a grocery store working ~38 hours a week & despite giving them more than a month advanced notice & despite giving them hours I'm available to work for all 7 days a week: THEY STILL KEEP TRYING TO SCHEDULE ME TO WORK DURING MY FITNESS INSTRUCTOR CLASSES. Jobs today don't want you to have any kind of life outside of working for them, even though they don't even pay well enough for you to have a life in the first place! It's no wonder why despite having "now hiring" signs up perpetually, my store is desperately struggling to fill basic staff roles. Bad pay, bad management, inflexible work schedules. What's there to invest in?! I can't wait to get working FOR MYSELF as a fitness instructor. Whether I'm teaching a class for 20 people or 2, it's better to work for yourself than it is to gamble on another faceless corporation that'll chew you up, spit you out and act like you should be grateful for the opportunity.

[@ashvandal5697]

I was a AGM in a grocery store for about a year once, I wrote the schedule for my store, and I always found it very easy to improve people’s schedules. The managers that write bad schedules are the ones who obviously don’t care about or value people, they basically just randomize everyone who isn’t their buddy. Their buddies get put on the same comfy shifts they get put on. I only ever did that with one person, because they were both my buddy and my counterpart that I needed to closely coordinate with throughout the day (Our store’s receiver, who also did some buying). I basically had two scheduling schemes, since everyone was still required to work all shifts as part of employment. Most people were divided into buddy teams, and then on squads that would all rotate through the different schemes. Start people on evening, 2 evenings, 1-2 midday, 1-2 mornings. This would give them half a day off in their final shift and half the morning off on their return to work day. It feels like having three days off. Oppositely, start people in the morning, 2 mornings, 1-2 middays, 1-2 evenings. This gives only the two day “weekend” off but allows for more space between shifts which some people enjoyed. You can alternate the squads on every other week. This covers the whole day pretty well. There’s always a solid morning crew on delivery days, so that pads that part of the schedule as needed. There’s always my daytime college students who mostly wanted evening shifts. Also some people always had more flexibility and could plug my other holes. So the squads could be vertically unaligned and still cover everything I needed. It’s actually really easy to manage the store with mostly everyone having schedules they want. It only becomes difficult if lots of people are requesting time off. Managers who can’t work with people’s schedules simply don’t care to, or worse, believe in giving employees massed up schedules to beat them down.

[@nagisa9147]

@@ashvandal5697Thank you for at least making some people’s lives better. I’ve only had one job where my manager scheduled everyone fairly, and it was a student job at my college. It has only been downhill from there lol.

[@BigBrother04]

Is 38 considered part time ?I would think that's actually full-time

[@DaXurk]

@@BigBrother04 in practice its full time but its considered part-time precisely so they can get away with not giving whatever benefits full-time employees are owed

[@YouMissedBro]

Good luck my dude

[@HenrayCarraman]

I hit $113k today. Thank you for all the knowledge and nuggets you had thrown my way over the last months. Started last month 2024. Financial education is indeed required for more than 70% of the society in the country as very few are literate on the subject.

[@FrankisChoperena]

It's essential for you to have a mentor to keep you accountable. Myself, I'm guided by Evelyn Vera. for years and highly recommend her I focus on him. To be honest, I almost didn't buy the idea of letting someone handle growing my finance, but so glad I did.

[@YehMichell]

It is very encouraging to see Evelyn Vera here, I started with 3k now with good returns.highly recommended..

[@Williammercy-zt9ou]

Really you people know her? I was even thinking that I'm the only one she has helped with trading.

[@MarselBallanes]

What impresses me most about Evelyn Vera is how well she explains basic concept of winning before actually letting you use her trade. This goes a long way to ensure winning trades.

[@sandalSanders-vt8ii]

I am surprised that Evelyn Vera is being mentioned here, I stumbled upon one of her client trading on CNBC news last week..

[@POLARTTYRTM]

"nobody wants to work anymore" The job offer: 50 years of experience in the S&P 500, have unlimited free time, work 7 days a week, senior rules and responsibility for minimum wage, 10-hour shifts. Someone tell these employers that slavery ended long ago, or did it?

[@rainacherienne1010]

No it didn’t end. They just figured out that it’s cheaper to pay us than pay someone to monitor slaves.

[@daianadavidson5293]

You are free , you can choose between doing it or not . Now a days are tons of opportunities to make money, no just getting a paycheck everymonth from people who don't appreciate your efforts so you have the freedom to choose go other way so yeah ,you're free

[@POLARTTYRTM]

@@daianadavidson5293 found the manager's bootlicker

[@ebluegamer5397]

​@@daianadavidson5293 0/10 ragebait

[@Lack_Of_Interest]

We call it wage slavery for a reason.

[@williambarnes5023]

*"nObODy wAnTs To WorK AnYMore!"* Nobody _ever_ wanted to work. But you used to _pay them_ and so they _would._ But you haven't been _paying them_ lately, what you've been doing is _teasing._ You're not offering enough to let them live. And so they aren't bothering to try.

[@bwofficial1776]

Find a job you enjoy doing and you'll want to work. I enjoy my job.

[@garnhamr]

@@bwofficial1776 you must be a moron with low iq if doing ANYTHING on this planet over and over for years and years still fulfils you and is still enjoyable, imo!

[@JZBaltazar]

@@bwofficial1776 Such valuable advice. Not. You were lucky in that you like doing the job that was available to you.

[@links-gut-versifftergrunme1809]

​​@@bwofficial1776 Great advice bro. I found a job offer I loved and for which I was the perfect fit. Job interview went well. Wasn't chosen for further consideration. When I asked why: _"Too much enthusiasm and ambition. We figured that position wouldn't satisfy you."_ Good that it worked for you buddy. Keep on giving great advice nobody came up with beforehand. Really helps out everybody.

[@happyliving1922]

@@bwofficial1776 why don't homeless people buy a house?

[@MCIzawa]

Modern corporate labor philosophy: "You don't want to work here, I don't want to pay you. Let's get through this together."

[@austinpeterson6203]

No one wants to work anymore! Bro if I worked some of these jobs I wouldn’t be able to afford keeping my gas on in the winter. Pay a livable wage and I’ll happily work.

[@samroxeva]

How are people surviving if they aren't working?

[@martinmindov]

then how tf do u live without a job. food costs money

[@trustedroot]

​@@samroxevathey're not. people die every day because they can't afford necessities

[@historypaul1657]

​@@samroxevaBarely. I work retail and just cant afford to find a New job because it's literally paycheck-to-paycheck. And, before the 'Hur due Dont buy the iPhone 28!', shit, I still have my 10 year old Samsung, drive a 2016 Kia, but rent, utilities, insurance, and everything else soaks up what I do make. 😅

[@jimmcneal5292]

@@martinmindov not in US, as far as I know there are food stamps and places that give away food for free. If that wasn't a thing then crime I guess

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

we have come to a point where people cant AFFORD to work a crap job

[@princessmarlena1359]

People take horrible jobs in order to afford to rent an apartment, have a cell phone plan, live with utilities, afford clothes, afford/have medical insurance, own a car, be able to drive a car (gas, registration, maintenance, insurance), eat, maybe have a little leisure, and save or invest money. That was the deal. Employers broke that by refusing to pay employees the cost to afford even ONE of those, yet still demand the world of their employees.

[@nthedecent7717]

I've been wanting to work for almost a full year, dozens of applications and dozens of courtesy calls to HR and front desks, absolutely nothing back. Hours of traveling and hand-shaking only to be ghosted. When I recently, finally, was given an interview for an under-the-table gig, my prospective boss, despite running a credible CPA office, was downright hostile; attacking my personal values, degrading my work experience, belittling my goals after inquiring them, and asking me to perform a demonstration of a side-interest to their co-worker (wife) like a minstrel, and this treatment was from a FRIEND OF MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY. People want to work, they just no longer wish to be treated like a slave.

[@drpotato5381]

Name and shame that guy

[@null6634]

If you're a CPA and can't find work, it's you or your expectations. That industry is dying for workers.

[@alexanderredhorse1297]

it's people like null6634 that make things harder than ever before. blaming the victim

[@nthedecent7717]

@@null6634 I said I'm working *for* a CPA, my boss *runs* a CPA. Learn some reading comprehension you schmuck

[@null6634]

@@alexanderredhorse1297 If someone has their CPA and want to work in the industry, they can write their own ticket. Unless there is some reason why they're unhireable. It's a crappy industry to work in. Long hours but very good pay. But very long hours and a lot of corporate BS. It's like being an LPN, you can get a job anywhere, but you have to want to keep doing it. Edit to add: isn't it possible that there are garbage employers who want to over work and under pay their employees while there are also employees who do not work up to their wages and have unreasonable expectations? Or are there never sub par employees? Is everyone above average?

[@soze_vanhouten]

I just got a raise, lucky me!! ...the raise was

[@greenleafyman1028]

The added responsibility/work is +30%. Yehey!

[@skoggiehoggins1445]

congratulations 🎉🎉

[@frankhuurman3955]

nice, now just need 2 or 3 of those raises each month to combat your loss due to inflation

[@SmithyD86]

I'm 38 living in the UK, been working since 2007. In 17 years of working the UKs average annual wage growth has stalled, technically it's negative. That's 17 years not feeling like I'm progressing at all in life. I can understand why people don't want to work.

[@frankstrawnation]

I'm older and don't live in UK, but I have the exact same feeling. That's a very sad thing to work, work, work and after decades don't see any substancial result.

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

It's currency devaluation; all to pay for debts that can never be afforded in the first place.

[@DMurph-y7t]

Same story for me but public sector so we had 10 years of a pay freeze from 2011-2021. It has robbed me of a financially secure life, and the new government is bringing austerity back

[@samueloakley4254]

I thought the Financial Success graph was not what people expected to be paid, but rather how much they thought they would need to be paid in order to live a comfortable life. So, the takeaway being Gen Z is extremely pessimistic about the cost of living.

[@nomobobby]

Given there are only a handful of cities even remotely attractive to a young person in 2024, the competition for a comfortable life in them is 🔥 🔥 🔥

[@heyaisdabomb]

It's really not crazy. I'm a millennial, but you need to make over $360k to qualify for a bank loan on a starter home in San Francisco, with a 250k down payment and on a house that will need 100k to 200k in repairs. The alternative is a 1 bedroom for $3200 in rent. My former boss moved here in the 70's and with a high school diploma and a furniture store job, bought a new jag and rented a 3bd apartment in a wealthy part of the city. Oh, how times have changed.

[@matthewhoward3154]

@@heyaisdabomb 360k is surprisingly achievable for a dual income household in SF. Not saying that those aren’t ridiculous numbers still though lol

[@heyaisdabomb]

@ yes it I achievable but you likely both need to have either advanced degrees or work labor intensive blue collar jobs that require you to sacrifice your long term health. I’m in the first category, where I have well over 100k in student loan debt so I become a Machine Learning Engineer where I can make 300k a year with a few more years of experience. But I’m going to be in my late 30s before I can even get out of debt and begin to save/invest. I know a lot of people who just gave up because the cards are so stacked against them compared to their parents. Masters degrees are becoming the new high school diploma.

[@Triaxx2]

@@nomobobby Unfortunately cities have become a net negative to living a healthy successful life.

[@chemloaf3020]

I recently went from running my own business to being an employee. I thought that working for someone as a low life wagee would be like vacation. But no. Being an employee is way worse and its because of how people are managed. There is this deal where people who have no idea how to do the work are telling the people who actually do the work how to do the work while telling them they are stupid/worthless. A sales guy can't sell jobs he can't do. and a worker can't do jobs that aren't being sold. Work culture is just toxic as fuck.... Also there is no job security, so why would anyone put up with this shit?

[@jjoohhhnn]

Thanks for your honesty.

[@zlatkojerkovic9456]

The sales guy make a shit ton more, some deserve it, others don't. By that I mean you have the sales guys that know everything about the product and probably helped design, build, run the plant, and then there's the ones that know very little.

[@garnhamr]

reminds me of watching a snotty nosed up himself salesman talking down to a close to retirement hunched over carpet fitter. this world is so wrong

[@ak5659]

You hit one of my pet peeves: Having a boss/manager/evaluator who does not know my job and couldn't do it if his life depended on it. Yet that person writes my performance reviews and decides my future at that company.

[@St.IsaacOfSyria]

Work 40 hours a week and be poor. Or Don't work and be slightly more poor but have 100% free time. Why bother?

[@matthewnelson5293]

My wife oversees 30 locations and ensures contract and brand quality is kept to standard between two large conpanies. They've earned up to $2M in profit a quarter, and when she went in for a salary review, they said she wasn't valuable enough for a raise. They didn't take her seriously until she gave a two week notice with a new job offer in hand. IMO, even with her new salary, she's still underpaid.

[@westganton]

Glad she didn't accept the counter. Fuck that tactic. Hopefully back-filling her role is painful and costs them a shit load of money

[@ViceCoin]

Tech workers in SF make $100,000, just to live in their cars.

[@matthewhoward3154]

They make a lot more than 100,000 lol

[@atherzaidi5871]

I work in tech in Germany get 100000 can live nicely, my sister lives in California earns 250000 and Barely gets by. I don't really know how teachers, nurses, postmen etc are rasing families at 50000 usd

[@frankstrawnation]

​@@atherzaidi5871Women are a complete disaster dealing with money. Probably she would still struggle if she earned 500k.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

@@matthewhoward3154 Most definitely, my brother makes $350,000/year as a software engineer in Oregon. Which is an unfathomable amount of money to someone as poor as myself.

[@o_s_byron2319]

​@@atherzaidi5871I'm sorry but I don't see how you "just get by" on 250k.

[@YouCallThataKnife253]

Dude, I've been looking for a _new_ job for 3 years. Literally got a master's degree during that time. I was also promoted twice in my current organization (they just don't pay enough for what is expected, and now I'm topped out 🤷🏾‍♂️). Not only am I unable to get a job in my degree field, but I'm not even getting calls back for jobs I'm deeply experienced in. And that's the thing, they're not even picking up the phone. I'm not getting interviews, let alone getting hired.

[@jdrein9511]

Something you're doing isn't working. Seek out several people who have had success and ask what you should do differently.

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

@@jdrein9511 Answer: be related to someone in the ownership class.

[@cassavamellin]

u studies a bad field. u should have known this before. if ur studies do not directly to the job then yes, nobody wants u.

[@atlfun08]

First be thankful that you have a job. Second save as much as possible cause starting a new job is risky. And sometimes you need flexibility to get a foot in the door. Sometimes have to get creative at a sacrifice of money to get mobility. Third , read the room. Stop thinking about what you have and want. Start thinking about how to find and discuss the new job with like minded individuals for the pure interest. How you can get connected to someone who is doing the job or manages the role. Basically network and socialize for the pure interest in the role and folks nearest to it. People are so entitled these days it’s unbelievable. I tried for 5 years for my dream job and now I have it. Where those 5 years hell? Yep. Am I living my best life now? YEP!!!!

[@bpnation37]

Same here. Scary to think of how fucked I'd be if hadn't gotten my current job. Commute is insane, pay could be better. But the pay is alright and it's hybrid and they are flexible about my schedule on in office days. But it's crazy to think that I'm way more qualified than I was when I got this gig and i somehow can't even get an interview for a similar job now.

[@BulletTracer]

Pay $50 an hour and watch yourself be so inundated with applications you literally cannot handle it. 😂 This is a business owner/wealthy person problem. They are in control. It cannot possibly be a worker issue.

[@bwofficial1776]

Not every job deserves $50/hr. Where does it end? $100/hr for driving a trash truck? $200/hr for a cashier?

[@raze2012_]

@@bwofficial1776 if the inflation goes that high decades later, sure. Money is relative and in an "ideal" 6economy is getting less valuable in the future. ofc by that time we'll need to tackle the crisis of a automated system that automates out most of the jobs.

[@BulletTracer]

@ It starts at the “lowest” job you can think of with your brainwashed, elitist mind paying the minimum needed in any given area to support yourself independently, while making at least 20% income contributions to a savings, AND having enough after 5 years to qualify for a mortgage. Anything less is wage slavery. The funny thing is, you comment this here, absolutely flabbergasted at the idea of paying $50/hour for “low” jobs, but make no mention, nor do you care about actual literal hundred-billionaires making more money than all of their workers will in an entire lifetime to a multiple, AND paying less taxes than everyone else. The counter-argument being: why is it outrageous or offensive or obscene to think the lowest worker should make $50/hour (only $8,000/month at BEST, full time) and not that it should be expected, while the UPPER portion has their earnings lowered? You want people who are already poor to make LESS, instead of people who have more wealth than royalty of the past (and pay less taxes) to make less… 😂 ok.

[@BulletTracer]

@ also, and I wanted to put this separately. It’s disgusting that you think trash collectors shouldn’t get paid way fing more. You really are that brainwashed? How dare you to use a group of hard-working, tough, and strong American men who make society function for you, and advocate them as undeserving. You’re a cretin. The fact that the other job you view as “low” is cashier makes perfect sense. My advice? Stop being a shithead elitist to the people who operate and run society for you, just because you want to feel better about yourself. Disgusting. 🤢

[@Alan-jk1yi]

​@@bwofficial1776You're missing their point. The point was not that a cashier's job is "worth" $50/pH, it's that the job doesn't pay enough to make decent living wage, which why many people don't want to do it.

[@jame5475]

Bro it’s not that no one wants to work. No one want to work a job that doesn’t meet their needs for a living. Plus employers don’t want to pay people affordable living wages

[@jame5475]

I’ll even like my own post

[@PurposeIsEverything]

Also purpose matters too because a robotic npc office job gets you existential crisis after working for 3_4 years. Purpose matters a lot

[@vyvianalcott1681]

EVERYONE wants to work. NOBODY wants to toil meaninglessly. NOBODY wants to have all the proceeds of their work taken from them and not be left with enough to have a future. THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED

[@looker999997]

First statement is an exaggeration, I and I'm sure plenty of others would happily spend all their time on leisure and hobbies if possible. Unless you stretch the definition of "work" to include stuff you already enjoy doing, and can just get paid for it.

[@vyvianalcott1681]

​@@looker999997 "Uh ackshually, there are exceptions to every rule, and you're not perfectly semantically accurate so I need another 500 words because I'm actually just too stupid to understand someone's point when the most trivial details are not perfectly accurate" Hey can you do me a favor? Please go fuck yourself.

[@etam083]

I got pulled aside by the supervisor and was told "hey bossman had a 20 minute talk with me about you taking long breaks and that you're not living up to your potential" I told him, "until that potential comes with a discussion of a sizable wage bump, I'll stay the course. If the juice aint worth squeezing, not bothering" People realized especially after covid, you're a number

[@RealHomeRecording]

Mother truckers want you to work through your breaks and not let you leave early or for that matter say no which is actually a violation of federal law. To not give employees breaks after a certain period of time.

[@etam083]

@RealHomeRecording thankfully both my supervisors, I have a really strong relationship with them They let me leave early, defend my position when questioned. They know when its go time, they hand it off to me I got a settlement for my last job for unpaid wages, who would've guessed, no time clock would be a bad business decision

[@LATEXXJUGGERNUT]

Yep, they wanted me to do senior level work without senior level pay or title..... got laid off 2 months later

[@JZBaltazar]

- Companies do not provide training on the job and career opportunities that they used to decades ago. They expect suitable candidates with suitable experience to just grow on trees. - Managers often bully and mistreat workers. People are then forced to choose between leaving the otherwise tolerable job andsacrificing their mental health. - Choosing a career is very difficult. The video had the example of highly successful CS students from Berkeley failing to get job offers. This means it's not realistic to expect people to be prepared to get into a lot of debt for tertiary degrees in the hope that they will get a decent paying job that will be around long enough to repay the debt and not throw them out when they are over 40. - Location is a big issue. Companies require people to work in office and yet do not pay enough for mortgage or rent or relocation costs.

[@The_Real_Frisbee]

"...and the people in areas with no work, couldn't afford to move to areas with work since it could mean giving up family support networks or simply paying the costs to relocate" Man just described the past 10 years of my life in one sentence.

[@PhoenixAngel429]

Lived in East Kentucky. That's the trap. I'm lucky to have family in Pa to use as a jump off. But if you don't have family on the outside, best chance on getting out? Join the military

[@iansun42]

How can you not afford to move? If you work more than 30 hours per week at $15 (The starting wage of my local McDonalds) That should be enough to save money over time. Moving cost should only be $2k max.

[@Musicita]

@@iansun42 I know too many people who have difficulty affording getting their car repaired for several hundred dollars, and you expect them to have 2k saved up? Plus moving is more complicated than a one-time expenditure. There is the time investment needed to find a job, find a home, pay deposits and application fees, and take the time to actually move everything- which is time not spent earning a paycheck so you need to save up to replace lost income. Have any kids? New home won’t have friends and family to help you babysit, so that’s new expenses when you get there. Have a spouse with a job? Did the spouse also find new work equal to or exceeding their previous income, or will you be short their income while they job hunt?

[@iansun42]

@@Musicita All of these concerns sound trivial to me. I'm in the process of moving right now, while in college, while working. Before college, I spent a couple of years working a standard 40 to 45 hour week and I was doing fine. My only complaint was boredom. I guess I'm just good with money lol

[@Tundra.]

@@iansun42 You sound over-privileged and completely disconnected from the average person's life. You are not "good with money," you are insulated from what the rest of us have had to deal with our entire lives with nothing to jump off of and no one to help us.

[@mbank3832]

Like many others, I went above and beyond but no reward, so I also don't want to work hard anymore. I mean why would I work extra if my pay stays exactly the same ?

[@keyflag]

It's actually decreasing if you ratio it by hours worked and income earned.

[@kaijuultimax9407]

Accounting for inflation you're actually taking a 2-5% paycut every year that you don't get a raise.

[@Inmate16]

@@kaijuultimax9407 Shut up

[@rainacherienne1010]

Same

[@leaf16nut]

Those 5 extra shifts you picked up really stressed you out eh, and no extra pay, you poor thing 😢

[@ReaIHuman]

If the choice is to work and be broke, or not to work and still be poor. A better question is, why would the younger generation waste their life serving the older generation?

[@GA-br8wj]

Most companies nowadays seem to not like people working for them and are willing to put robots and AIs at work instead of humans, why should we want to work for them if they don´t want us? Also scammers seem to be thriving all around, get rich fast, money is the language apparently, pitiful

[@kaijuultimax9407]

It does seem like the only ones doing well in the US currently are the ones committing financial fraud, yes.

[@tomizatko3138]

Money is and always was capitalist's language.😊

[@jasminelav.332]

I think you accidentally nailed it - business owners don't want to pay a living wage bc they're still holding out hope that they can automate everything. If that's possible, why waste money on employees whom you're about to replace with robots?

[@Code7Unltd]

Two letters and a number, H 1 B. Most businesses want illegally migrating Indians working under them. The clue is the high skill floor.

[@darkgalaxy5548]

You load sixteen tons, what do you get Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store

[@EyeKnowRaff]

Yo, that shit is 🔥🔥🔥 Too bad it's still applicable.

[@DarthVader-ch4um]

Damn good poem!

[@empdisaster10]

@@DarthVader-ch4umit’s from an old mining song called “Sixteen Tons”

[@amicaaranearum]

@@empdisaster10 Also parodied on _South Park_ when Amazon came to town.

[@Ad-skip]

06:14 Ad skip

[@joannamost8592]

What they don't want to tell you is... WE DON'T NEED TO WORK AS MUCH AS THEY MAKE US!!!! Most jobs don't mean SHIT. Chase the carrot, wagie! If you work hard and pinch those pennies, you might even RETIRE!

[@aidanfriedfeld8889]

Yep. With how far production tech advancement has come and the fact that we’re in a time of artificial scarcity where food will be dumped to keep value it’s really a matter of CEOs wanting to use laborers to produce more than necessary to basically squeeze more money out of less employees rather than idk sharing the profit margin increases with the employees who fucking make your money.

[@bohemianprince7944]

Might

[@kino9119]

Emphasis on the word 'might'

[@SetariM]

I wanna live in europe, they got dope work hours in Germany/Netherlands/France/Italy. Basically a ton of western european countries have it down and people are happy there.

[@tommysalami420]

@@aidanfriedfeld8889 The wealthy are a blight.

[@jasonk5979]

Watch people get laid off right before they can retire. With nothing to show for it. The Ceo's literally dont do anything for 5 years and walk away (Fired)with a golden parachute with lifetime benefits and enough pay for 100 people to retire on. And we are supposed to be more motivated . Sure.

[@beltingtokra]

It's an awful market out there, I've got 8 years full time experience, 2 degrees and I run my own online business. I've had 3 interviews in the last 18 months,low level jobs, but other candidates keep having more experience 😢

[@earthsteward9]

For restaurant jobs, the CBC recently did a story on how the workers at many restaurants, including fast food, don't get the tips that customers give. And the owners complain that nobody wants to work anymore....

[@joshdoddadbod]

The CBC who laid off a bunch of workers saying they had no money and then gave out tens of millions in bonuses to their executives?

[@Brainy1422]

Yup, there Is a ramen place that we like to goto. The server after a few times we ate there told us that the manager steals any "digital tips" from the employees but not cash. We were shocked when we heard that

[@orbitalair2103]

@@Brainy1422 in most places that illegal, or it used to be.

[@Brainy1422]

@orbitalair2103 oh it 100% is. The problem being is a lot of our restaurant workers come on the TFW program in canada. And the employer threatens to fire them if they report it.

[@Cadavu2]

Same here in Europe where I live. We have service charge (12-15% usually), which is like legal tips basically. Often times the employers can pay their full staff’s (front of house for sure at least) salary just from this tip alone. Now the government wants to maximise it as 12% max to protect consumers. Oh our bosses are crying alright. 😂 (They have the means to open like 3 places a year, yet still steal the tips of their employees)

[@arinthium4018]

Corporations; Why should we pay you a living wage? People; So we can keep ourselves ALIVE to do the job! >:(

[@relo999]

People; Why should be pay prices that allow you to give us proper wages? Just buy from places where they're happy with a dollar a day ;p

[@TheIronLiz]

If these companies expect us to come in at their schedule, wear what clothes they want us to, conduct ourselves in a way they deem appropriate, provide them with more benefit it costs to pay us, and make their firm profitable enough to grow, then it isn’t unreasonable to expect a rate of pay high enough to make ends meet and live a reasonable life. At least, that’s what the reasoning was when the Minimum Wage Act was passed by FDR. So I legit don’t see why companies don’t get held to any sense of social contract or reciprocity. You are viewed as a slave in informal agreement to be ended at nearly ANY reason at nearly ANY time. Get. Stuffed. This is a quiet workers rebellion, and I couldn’t be prouder of the younger generations for not swallowing this abuse any longer.

[@zenastronomy]

they pretend to pay us a living wage. we pretend to work like a zombie.

[@Kuk0san]

This guy Soviets

[@jimmcneal5292]

2:28 GenZ is actually right. To afford a big house in a good neighborhood and two cars, as quickly as it was possible in 50s, plus being able to pay for education of all of your kids, plus afford retirement without lowering expenses, you'll need somewhere around that amount. Maybe not $600k, but $400k minimum, likely $500k. Remember that taxes would eat large part of your salary.

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

Well also we kinda shortcut the definition of "success" here. Success for me would look like living in a society that has a chance of sustaining itself, not just getting paid like I'm a heart surgeon.

[@JessMN1974]

😂😂 600k anywhere but silicon valley is top .1% income. This is delusional. The average new home price in The US is like 425k, easily affordable on a 100k salary, less if you are a couple

[@Crocodile2873]

@@JessMN1974I make 100 and bank would only qualify me for 375. At 100k I can’t even qualify for the median home price

[@Xiaengao]

Kids? Retirement? House? Cars? That ship sailed long ago. And sank.

[@raze2012_]

@@JessMN1974 The median house price isn't in a place that pays 100k. That's the secret about "averages" when the quartiles are so skewed.

[@b-art6098]

Millennial here, I worked for 7 days a week 5-6 years ago, top 1% of earners but I don't see this as viable lifestyle anymore. Here are my reasons: - It's extremely unhealthy to work that much - Life passes you by, family, relationships, friends - More you work, more you spend so you need to work even more - Inflation, Shrinkflation, Shitflation, everything I buy nowadays is expensive, small in size and is crap quality - People who love you don't really care how much money you earn - I have property now, no need to work that much

[@tazreenrahman3587]

Can you explain the 5th point again?

[@unter1103]

​@@tazreenrahman3587 your mom would still love you even if you weren't a millionaire

[@b-art6098]

@@tazreenrahman3587 Intimate relationships based on your earning potential are not really intimate relationships

[@mtn2008]

Companies make bigger and bigger profits every year, but their employees never get a share of the wealth. If you keep shafting your work force and lying to them, people finally wise up.

[@bwofficial1776]

Companies are in business to make money, not out of some altruistic desire. Employees do get a share of the wealth, it's called your paycheck.

[@thomasschott4068]

Not true, people will always look for jobs because of preprogramming from the school system

[@Gazer-x5s]

@@bwofficial1776and the paycheck is not liveable? so how?

[@vault-tecrep8565]

@@bwofficial1776 historically, exponential quarterly growth is an anomaly. Its the result of deregulation and lack of legislation. During the first half of the 20th century there were many, many, anti trust and worker reform laws that were enacted. The balance between business owner and worker was much more even. Now, workers are exploited because companies are allowed to.

[@adambickford8720]

You're an employee, not a shareholder. Set your expectations appropriately.

[@WillPal02]

Work was once a means to freedom; now it chains the soul. We live not to thrive, but to serve a system that grinds us down, trading purpose for pay checks and passion for survival.

[@dra911]

I once had a manager tell me he could just outsource my type of work to another (cheaper) country. A lot of companies don't appreciate conscientious employees these days... So they get what they get.

[@Mich-jk2ze]

I worked cutting grass for years. Last year i brought and trained one of my friends with another employee to be one of our best employees. I didn’t get a kick back for creating a valuable employee, I didn’t get value for dealing with customers in a good way. I was expected to do all these things despite being paid less than everyone there and the same as that friend I brought. My loyalty wasn’t compensated, my ability to train workers wasn’t compensated, my boss didn’t want me to go out and try to canvas home owners to get more business for our company despite me having skills in that area and him doing a horrible job at that.

[@jdrein9511]

That sucks. Use that experience as motivation to start your own landscaping business.

[@beyondthelol]

Why don’t you start your own business

[@Rain2H0]

Thanks for staying true to yourself and not filling in quotas. Those quotas when fulfilled in an unjustified means, waste a lot of time, resources, tax money, judge/lawyer time- I mean I can go on and on, just for what? A quota? Thanks again and hope you find something good.

[@raze2012_]

@@beyondthelol with the money the boss isn't paying him? making a business isn't free

[@Mich-jk2ze]

@@beyondthelol Well I might one day, but I'm not ready to go all in on something and being comfortable failing and getting better. I'll let you know when I got an idea lol

[@BetterDeimos]

It’s so sad that increased life span doesn’t equate to enjoying more life, it equates to filling in the extra time with work to able to retire when you’re older than before. It’s literally just a trade off where only the only person enjoying your extra years of life is whatever company is employing you.

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

Life expectancy has only increased by 1 year at most during the American Gen Z's entire life anyway

[@frankstrawnation]

Life expectancy is lowering in US. And I strongly suspect that isn't a exclusive problem of the Americans. Life is becoming more hostile to the average citzen worldwide.

[@nickriley4609]

This is why I work for a while and then take a year off in Thailand where the exchange rate of currency is much lower and I'm considered rich... Just got back from 5 months overseas on a Visa.. yeah I found a loophole 😅... After I run out of Visa extensions I come back to the US I work for about 6 to 9 months then do it all over again.. don't sell your soul to a corporation

[@SimonJimenez-p3z]

Companies don't want to pay. Corporate greed is to blame.

[@Threedogsinatrenchcoat]

Media: we will just make a new buzzword and blame the few unresponsible avacado toast iced coffee drinkers to completely negate valid criticism of a system solely focused on increasing shareholder wealth

[@redlight3932]

Media: I lie for money

[@AlexParkYT]

@@redlight3932 Well they are all liezard people lol

[@andrewchaviano3477]

The goal has always been to maximize $ per hour worked. If the jobs pay little then it's often not worth the time to participate.

[@blahblahblah-uw4uf]

Exactly. Work smarter not harder. And when that no longer makes sense, then quit.

[@HH-ru4bj]

A lot of the offers out there will cost you money to work for them.

[@blahblahblah-uw4uf]

@ Yep. Because of the commute.

[@greggeiger7532]

People don’t want to work their asses off for barely enough to survive. You gotta motivate people if you want them to work hard for you.

[@edwardzignot2681]

Who tf wants to slave their entire life away for a company that can't even pay them enough to survive. This isn't a huge mystery. You want labor? PAY US ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY SPENDING HALF OUR LIVES WORKING! I'm not asking for some ridiculous sum. I just want enough to cover bills, buy enough food, and do something fun once in awhile. Yaknow, enough to LIVE! I've been comfy at 42k a year since I have no kids.

[@SteveOfRivia]

How are you surviving by not working then?

[@ifeoluwaadeoye6557]

​@@SteveOfRivianone of your business.

[@BrodyMK64]

@@SteveOfRiviapeople aren’t surviving.

[@giant0mantis]

​@@BrodyMK64They are if they're commenting on KZbin

[@giant0mantis]

​@@ifeoluwaadeoye6557LMAO

[@myNamezMe]

Can't blame them for wanting wages corrected after decades of decline.

[@frankhuurman3955]

exactly, the gap between output and wages is still widening since the 70's

[@jareds7937]

I think another core issue is people working for soulless corporations rather than smaller businesses. In other words, the different cultures the two systems represent

[@lauracoutinho5478]

Why does no one ever talk about the under-employed? The people working full time plus gig work but can't afford basic comforts, or those who graduate college and can't find full time work? I spent 3 months helping apply someone to every single job within 20 miles. He had experience working part time during college, so it wasn't even a first job. There was NO full time work to be had! THAT is why no one "wants to work". Because they have freaking bills to pay, and working for 20 hours at minimum wage won't cut it! But if they take that job, no one else will hire them because then they no longer have an open availability. So it's not like they can take the job, and get a second part time one so the hours and money add up. So they're screwed. Totally screwed. Then companies whine and complain that they can't get workers? Someone, anyone talk about THAT!!!!!!

[@wetbadger2]

Most college degrees are a scam. There’s only jobs for the top 10% of the class.

[@aureyd2515]

This!

[@greaseweeklygames]

When you can't buy a house and start a family, even with dual income streams, what incentive is there to work? Work yourself to the bone to still fall behind, or be stagnant? Moving ahead is no longer an option

[@towhee7472]

I know a dude who works on the oil fields, the toughest and dirtiest job you can imagine. No college degree, 120.000 - 150.000 Dollars a year. He Shows up to work every morning, no sick days off. I wonder what the motivating factor is here.

[@jamescameron204]

Did that for 15-20 years, set for life now,,

[@Alex-me3yn]

ive never met a single person in genz who expects to make 600k....? these numbers seem biased to make other generations look more realistic because they didnt inherit a complete joke of an economy

[@johncol5974]

Yea what polls are these? 😂 boomers and genx are the only ones who can possibly even see those numbers

[@Alex-me3yn]

@@johncol5974 its legit the "i walked uphill both ways to school" attitude represented as a bs statistic lmao its basically just an index of the average home value for each generation

[@catprog]

Expect to make or how much they think they need to make to have a comftable life?

[@cheesebucket142]

Because this poll is being used misleadingly. It's not "how much do you *expect* to make to live well" it's "how much *would you need* to make to live well" What the poll actually means is that gen z think that cost of living, for young people that don't already own a house they bought in the 70s for a nickel, has gone up to an extreme and unsustainable degree, and will keep going up. Affording a house and family etc is going to be basically impossible for them.

[@bokunogentoo4420]

0:48 I see Kobeni, I hit like, it's that simple

[@koimananana]

Yes

[@smitias_8474]

Older generation has less salary expectations because they can afford it. As you get older, you accumulate more wealth - if you own a house, then you don't pay rent; if you has a decent car, then you don't need to save up to buy one. Housing prices nowadays are insane across so much countries, both developed and developing - even though new housing still being build and populations are usally shrinking at the same time. So young ones strive for unreasonable salary because only such can provide stability they need - stability, which was deemed a right of a honest working person (not a privillage) by previous generations.

[@iggyboo]

... for peanuts. Nobody wants to work like animals anymore for peanuts.

[@iggyboo]

Though after all the tariffs and everyone gets deported peanuts might be worth a lot

[@Ahamshep]

@@iggyboo 🤣 yeah your country is pooched.

[@Draxis32]

Title: "Nobody wants to work anymore" Reason: Nobody wants to be a mindless debt slave in a crowded town living under full stress and humiliation at a company for years, just to afford a shoebox apartment in a degraded neighborhood and be chuck-full of mental and health problems at the end of the line. I'd take the "poor farmer together with family and friends" any day.

[@CantoniaCustoms]

Except nowadays you can't go back to farming because megacorp brought out all the land and human labor cannot compete with industrialized farming. Thanks industrial revolution!

[@welderfixer]

End corporate and executive sinful greed and pay the hourly staff a living wage + with quality benefits. Most folks 18 to 80 would like to work, but not for some arrogant self serving CEO and management SOBs who can hardly park their cars straight. I'd gladly work at a company where the top dog started at the bottom, doesn't draw 10-50-100-200-300x the top hourly pay, knows ALL of the employees by name and respects them. I hope I'm not asking for too much.

[@zlatkojerkovic9456]

I was just telling my mom, I love when I apply for a job in September, here nothing back and then get that email rejection in November, only for them to repost the same job, and now its the same cycle. I've litterally seen companies have the same job up for 1 year. Who believes that they can't find one person for that job in that time frame.

[@cmansfield3]

H1-b visa scam.

[@dmichael100]

Sometimes companies put up job postings where they aren't really hiring right then. They are trying to gather applications for the future. It is disingenuous at best. They should be clear when they actually need someone to start work.

[@amicaaranearum]

I try to see how long they’ve been posting the job. If it gets reposted month after month, it’s probably not a real job.

[@internethistorytrash7464]

terrible salaries, job stability out of the window. Layoffs frequently. Of course nobody cares.

[@Kingtiens]

I literally can never buy a house or have kids no matter how hard I work, I'd rather become burden on the state than run on this hamster wheel.

[@wqnd]

recent grad here, it's impossible to get a job. I can get clients and contracts but STEADY EMPLOYMENT? impossible. I've sent 2500+ resumes. Decent employment isn't possible.

[@philoslother4602]

What job you looking for?

[@HelloNotMe9999]

Plenty of people WANT to work. They just want to get paid for doing so, not for shite wages. Also, management needs to learn to listen to employee feedback when it comes to improving a process. The people actually DOING the work will very often know a lot more about how things actually get done and how to improve things than someone with an academic-based "management" degree designed by tenured, bureaucratic bean counters in a cubicle that haven't had a real job in 20 years.

[@adamhustler3639]

Pro corporates:"want a bettet wage, get more skills or start your own business" - every worker quits and starts their own business - Pro corporates: "everyone followed our advice, no one wants to work anymore, wah wah wah"

[@BrickGriff]

2:25 The question was, "how much would you need to be financially successful?" When does "realism" enter the chat? The youngsters are correct. It takes high six figures to be comfortable in late capitalism. Most of us are just getting by but we're too full of ourselves to admit it. Millionaires are living paycheck-to-paycheck. We're not delusional. The market is!

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

Yeah, if you start stacking up what it costs to raise a child (and each woman needs 2.1 to maintain the population without significant immigration), the 3X rent rule and the fact that inflation will easily outpace wages, it starts to become very obvious that a six figure salary is actually the absolute minimum for a dignified existence in these places where "nobody wants to work." It's not surprising that "success" looks like something just a few times baseline dignity.

[@altejoh]

I remember watching a video before covid where someone worked out that, to live comfortably just off of financial investments (ie no working), you could get away with $200,000 if you find a way to invest in the highest paying dividends possible, but much more likely you would want $1M or more to be on the safe side. Thats just to give you a basic annual income of $20,000 or some such. Thats not even money you get to spend on yourself. I cant even imagine how high that number must be now.

[@Bekssss]

its very common in 3rd world countries , because pay so low they don't even try to work because you end up very poor anyway

[@beyondthelol]

That’s why the first world needs to stop importing the third world, it’s lowering the bar for everyone in these countries

[@gulli72]

Boomers and Gen Z have, in fact, identical expectation. It's only that, when Gen Z demands 600k, they refer to the buying power in 2050, and when Boomers demand 100k, they refer to the buying power in 1990, because the Gen Z mind is stuck in a horrible, impoverished future and the Boomer mind is stuck in a lavish, hedonistic past.

[@joshuadavid1804]

Nobody wants to pay enough to live let alone thrive.

[@JennAyBaybAyy]

💯💯💯

[@bodhixxx1]

agree renting is not making a living. many people would be happy to be able to own a small apartment in a reasonable amount of time, then pay the mortgage payment to themselves instead of paying rent for the rest of their lives because some inbred WOP from Europe came over and bought the property 100 years before you were even born. I see it in Ag all the time a "family farm" bought a 5 million dollar and a 14 million dollar ranch over the course of 6 years which is impossible unless it is some bank scam.

[@amitchawla5124]

How you live is not their concern. Sacrifice and save. Invest. Upgrade your skills. Get ahead of others. Complaining wont get u ahead.

[@Daniel-fc2xi]

@@amitchawla5124 Neither will corporate bootlicking, mr corporate bootlicker

[@tommysalami420]

@@amitchawla5124 Don't care not planning to live long with you freaks of nature anyways. I have my way out you guys can all rot I won't help anymore until you get your shit together

[@bennewey5483]

It's not that they don't want to work, it's that the pay is garbage and the expectations from the employers are sky high. Take a look at what entry level positions require these days, and what they pay. Lotta people just checked out.

[@dantheman5589]

If you can't afford a home or ever retire, then please tell me why the F would anyone want to work?

[@thingbing3092]

9:23 As a CS graduate from a top 30 school in America I'm currently in the same boat of "tech student who can't find a job out of college considering a masters to avoid the labor market for another couple years"

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

Same, and how exactly the hell are we gonna pay for that?

[@johntomson5049]

I’m a comp sci bachelors graduate as of May 2024 getting my one year masters in AI/ML from RPI for this exact reason

[@ZeroAltera]

Learn some basics about wiring and electricity and apply to industrial automation jobs. This field is woefully understaffed with people that actually understand low level programming.