1997-11-04 NSPRS 075 - Jung: The Dialectic and Plato's Divided Line pt 1

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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society -- 1997-11-04 NSPRS 075 - Jung: The Dialectic and Plato's Divided Line pt 1
Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. noeticsociety.org

[@FreedomandRights4US]

For those who recognize the audio is slightly off (only at the start), stay steadfast and diligent. At 11:58 we are in the Politeia book VI 505a from the Stephanus numbers. Good luck on your journey and thank you so much to those listed for filming this and editing and digitizing it from VHS to DVD. Many Thanks to Pierre and all involved.

[@CGMaat]

EXCELENTE

[@CGMaat]

“I am the offspring of DIVid - : GOLDEN RATIO ! Only by conjugation : this to that we round off to the more perfect -broken but whole aspects of the ALL !

[@LucisFerre1]

The Good vs The Idea of the Good is similar to the Tao. "The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao; The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth. The named is the mother of ten thousand things." It's similar to the concept, "the map is not the terrain". The conceived is not the thing itself.

[@RepairRenovateRenew]

Another two analogous systems would be the idea of "ohr ein sof" in Kabbalah and Atman in Theosophy Thanks for your wonderful comment. It seems our duty in the modern Era is to begin the synthesis of these ancient traditions by following the common threads and I'd say this is a major one.

[@asielnorton345]

@@DesignEcologies the paradox of that chapter in taoism is that one should both embrace material life to experience the tao's manifestations, yet reject material life in order to ponder the tao's mysteries. then it says these two are the same. ie being a monastic hermit pondering existence and being a participant in society at large it says are the same. the whole thing is a paradox.

[@asielnorton345]

it seems to me jung took a great interest in alchemy bc it took place across europe in a time many people thought had very little philosophic thought outside the church. jung saw that there was actually this rich philosophic tradition still taking place under the radar, in a way that no one in modern times took seriously. and was actually all about individuation as opposed to the structure of the church. alchemy made great use of symbols which jung was obviously extremely interested in. it seems to me, he actually does give credit saying it was birthed from classical pagan thought. but in books like psychology and alchemy, he wasn't concerned with platonic thought, he was concerned with alchemy.

[@gordonrobinson2962]

So Jung went poaching!!!

[@asielnorton345]

well yeah, that's basically what jung did. he looked at myths, philosophy, dreams, symbols, etc. and analyzed them, and compared them, etc. that is basically the basis of his entire thought. he came from the school of freud, but expanded upon it; he saw that dreams were more than wish fulfillments, and that symbols were more than about sex, and what freud called the id was just one part of the subconscious. jung never would take credit for alchemical thought or plutonic thought, his whole idea was comparing these things, and finding a common thread through everything, dreams, myths, philosophy, alchemy, etc. what this guy is saying is that jung didn't give platonism enough credit for influencing alchemic thought.

[@Kinesicz]

Because at the time he wrote the book the state of philosophy was terrible and he would have been kicked out of life.