Nokia 2720 Flip + Why KaiOS dumbphones are truly smart

This one's a double header! First, I quickly review the new Nokia 2720 Flip 4G dumbphone. Then, I talk a bit more about exactly why dumbphones that run KaiOS are really NOT smartphones. Did I mention that the 2720's HUGE buttons are an absolute joy to use? Or that it's the first phone (of any kind) that I've had in years that actually fits in my pocket?
Videos mentioned:
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[@mikal_1]

finally, a reviewer that doesn't scream at me with unfathomable levels of excitement!

[@abc-wd4lk]

I totally agree

[@zochbuppet448]

Randos making KZbin videos need to do that when they know very little. Its s all about being loud, and the stupid background music and the "recording studio with lights" when they dont actually know anything.

[@ianalyzeeverysecondiexist]

The fact that it's a flip phone immediately made me fall in love with it!

[@bobdickweed]

Call me strange, but when i leave the house i leave the internet behind me. Never had a smart phone and my Dumb phone has a 8 day battery life , just calls and texts for me, Great info again Scottie...Thanks man

[@quchi7232]

exactly, I love to text, it has been my hobby since 2007. having smartphone gives me battery anxiety and gets me less interaction with social activities.

[@Sacred-Heart-of-Jesus829]

What kind of phone do you have? I'd like to make the switch. I live in the U.S.A.

[@michaelbeck5514]

😉👍 how it should be... In Our home we decided to ditch ALL smartphones FOR GOOD. We are going back to Nokia mobile phones and the best thìng about it is that my kids love it , a Nokia 2720 that only do calls and text and a few not so good picktures...THATS IT, this is what my whished for this christmas and a sim with their One phone Number 😄👍

[@paulwright9106]

Eye , you are the same as me . I do not have a "smart touch phone " , and I too leave the web at home ! I do not live for my phone . Do not spend hours looking at it , as I can do that on my laptop at home !!

[@bobdickweed]

@@Sacred-Heart-of-Jesus829 Samsung GT- E1200 Great at $20

[@TheJuansanjuan]

Great review. I'm gonna be unplugging from smartphones and social media and focus more on my life and those close to me. This Nokia 2720 is the right one for me.

[@mwanjelorwence4711]

Why

[@nichts-8yearsago]

​@@mwanjelorwence4711Yeah, I wonder why?? Why would they not want to spend all their time on social media or the smartphone to use their time for truly meaningful things instead of being around these people calling themselves family and friend. Honestly, no clue😶

[@dean9251]

This review is brilliant. You've nailed my decision for me. The fact I can uninstall Facebook to just not have it as a visual distraction is great I don't have a Facebook account I only have Instagram but I can live without that. I did want a dumb phone but with WhatsApp due to connecting with family groups... My only thought now for the one issue I might come across is no access to banking apps I've been in situations where I've had to move money around while on the go, but for now we'll see. Nokia 2720 flip, purchased! 👍🏻 This

[@domagojcengic4706]

Hi! could you share your experience please?

[@adim882]

Where is it available? I am trying to purchase it but it seems to be either attached with Verizon or out of stock everywhere.

[@asmsrasmsr]

Informative and understated in equal measure. A "thank you" from a UK viewer.

[@JamesHumberstone]

Thanks, this answered every question I had about these Nokia phones and KaiOS. Superb!

[@andrew41980]

Coffee, Cletus and Mr. Scott. Shaping up to be a good morning! 🖖🏻

[@alexanderjenkins4117]

Thank you for your wonderfully chilled, useful and in-depth reviews

[@MrDJ217]

Thanks for the great information, Scottie. I plan on getting a flip for my next phone. I'm am going to def. Have this phone at the top of my list. Take care.

[@apcc-lo6630]

I love the structure and content of your review

[@junkbucket50]

Great review! Will definitely get one of these when they go on sale

[@garrethpage2138]

They have been on sale for over 6 months

[@ashkaur4863]

KaiOS sounds like a phone for me. Thank you for your informative review Scottie - you sir are a legend!

[@desquinn3834]

Additional information was very interesting, great stuff :)

[@miguelmikemigs]

By far the most helpful review of this phone! Thanks!

[@Laser82]

Very comprehensive review, brilliant thank you

[@PurpleDaisyBunny]

Really informative and interesting, thank you!!

[@jgaff7974]

Thanks for the video Scottie. I got the 2720 after your previous video giving KaiOS the thumbs up. Bye bye smartphone! Going to get my Dad one for the holiday season..he'll love the big buttons:)

[@agataloca]

@jgaff7974 Hi, since the 3G network is being phased out, I'm desperate to find a non-smartphone that still is decent but works on 4G. Have been looking into this model, but then Nokia 1st told me you CAN send/received MMS with it, yet when I double-checked that it would include sending/receiving MMS w/ not only pictures, but also sound files, they said no?? Which seems completely retarded. My old Sony Ericsson C905 model from 2008 works that way, at least. Under the Messaging menu, you pick either SMS or MMS, and under MMS you can record a file and send as a MMS. Surely, that must work also on this one?? Else I'm f ............! This is the only phone I can imagine getting:/ Pls, could you confirm or deny this about sending/receiving MMS containing sound files? Big thanks in advance!

[@rattsjcfanpage01]

The way how you explained KaiOs vs Android, makes total sense. :) Thank you. :)

[@rattsjcfanpage01]

Never going back to Android as a main phone

[@auktoriseradmorfar6533]

Thank you for a very good review!!

[@nedo_tpo]

Thanks for this review. I had KaiOS in mind for quite a time. I wanna put my smartphone in a pc/tablet role and not carrying around. Too much distraction and all. I like the Nokia 2720, especially after this review of yours. Yes it is still expensive and the camera is a shame, but in other fields it looks awesome. Thanks again, you have helped me a lot!

[@s.p.q.rreborn2080]

Thanks for the review Scotty but does it blend ? Did Cletus get a hair cut for the up coming festivities?

[@kasvinimuniandy4178]

That was a really nice explanation.

[@patriciakedeni]

Excellent review. I have always liked nokia phones and now looking for a flip dumb phone. Based on your review, i will get this! PS: loved your voice. And i've clicked subscribe.

[@jackbteaching]

Would be nice to have a KaiOS phone with qwerty keypad, like the old BBs or Nokia E71/72 etc. Would make a nice modern messaging centric phone.

[@vidyavaman1480]

search Jio phone 2

[@jackbteaching]

@@vidyavaman1480 Hard to find in the states, even on eBay... That's ok 👍 still have my Nokia N8 and working as my 2nd phone.

[@fellowcitizen]

Gonna sub, but it looks like I'm already subbed to your channel! Any experience with Bluetooth keyboards with this? Any options for Signal, Proton or comparable? Thanks Happy holidays :)

[@ScottiesTech]

Happy Holidays! I just tried my Bluetooth keyboard with it, and it pairs according to the phone, but not according to the keyboard. So, it seems that might be a problem. As for Signal and Proton, there's nothing yet. WhatsApp yes, but that's about it so far.

[@Traderhorn]

I have the Nokia 2720 Flip and it’s a good secondary phone and with 4G it will work when 2/3G disappears, battery life is ok and replaceable, good call quality / texts and E mail, and the assistant is quite good,I also use it as a MP3 player with micro SD card, an improvement over the original 2720 which I no longer have, only in Black in uk, nice video Scottie as on a few reviewers cover the non smartphones I liked the 8110 video hope you review more of the same.

[@JesusChristIsLord__]

Thanks for the info. How many days on standby and how easy is it to replace the battery? Thanks in advance.

[@allnighterist]

can you control your music while the phone is folded? or do you have to unfold to skip music?

[@sagarikaaa_8853]

Hi, Peter. Since you're using 2720 for a while now, it'd be much appreciated if you could help a little. I'm planning on to get this when it'll launch here but as an user how much would you recommend considering all the specifications? They said 27 days of battery stand by, how much is it in reality and how smooth it runs. Kindly reply. Thanks.

[@agataloca]

@Traderhorn Hi, since the 3G network is being phased out, I'm desperate to find a non-smartphone that still is decent but works on 4G. Have been looking into this model, but then Nokia 1st told me you CAN send/received MMS with it, yet when I double-checked that it would include sending/receiving MMS w/ not only pictures, but also sound files, they said no?? Which seems completely retarded. My old Sony Ericsson C905 model from 2008 works that way, at least. Under the Messaging menu, you pick either SMS or MMS, and under MMS you can record a file and send as a MMS. Surely, that must work also on this one?? Else I'm f ............! This is the only phone I can imagine getting:/ Pls, could you confirm or deny this about sending/receiving MMS containing sound files? Big thanks in advance!

[@timi_ro]

Another great quality video by our favorite engineer Scotty!

[@jackoneil3933]

Thanks Scotty! Very cool, but do you know if it's telemetering data to Google and Facebook if you are not using the apps, and if it's doing any Wi-Fi triangulation?

[@Roamer5]

Nice review! Been waiting for this phone from long time. Nokia yet to launch it in India !

[@Jalkoth]

Excellent review I have a Android smart phone thats like 5 years out of date and it still runs great but I barely use any of the features it offers and is a bit of a brick in my pocket this is perfect for me.

[@sonix7119]

:) Interesting... Cheers for sharing mate !!! :)

[@TheWowwa]

i just bought the phone for my grandma! i don't know if she can utilise the kai os fully. but at least it has 4g, so if 2g and 3g is not available anymore. I can still call or text her. she used the old nokia phone (the t9 keyboard) for a very long time. although this phone's price we can buy a smartphone (low spec). But, I think this phone suitable for my grandma. at least she doesn't have to think about charging a phone so much and she knows how to use t9 keyboard. Thanks Scotty. You got a new subscriber.

[@michaeljankulic717]

I went into shop today to check if I could find new dumb phone for me. Smart guy showed me 2720 flip, but he was dumb about what it does, didn't even unpacked one and so was I. Surrounded by smart phones, I learned the price and left dumb. But now, I'm smart and I'll go and by that dumb. Thanks!!

[@lewcarrumjohnson2786]

Yes same here, problem is shop salesmen get very little commission bonus unless they are selling you apple, Samsung etc or a network contract. You walk in with the prospect of spending £50 and they are not interested, managers will push them to sell the expensive stuff that lasts 18 months.

[@tonyjohnson5669]

this reminds me of early android so much. Seeing apps like fake call and others be the top apps on the store remind me of what android was like in the early 2010s.

[@augustinethotho8484]

I like the way, it sounded when you uninstalled the app.

[@barbwire1415]

I love every one of your concise videos! I'm tech challenged w/questions. Can I switch my Obama-phone service to a new Nokia 2720? Are they unlocked out of the box? Does the 2720 use a sim card? I resist using my android Trac-phone because it sometimes has a mind of its own and must be charged often. Thanks, Scottie and Cletus.

[@ScottiesTech]

Unlocked, GSM networks only, dual SIM card slots. Whether or not you can use it as a replacement for the Obama phone depends on the service provider. I'm not sure, actually!

[@RogerSartet007]

Hello Scottie, does this phone come close (menu and 'key-combination-wise', like for example 'lock keypad') to a classic Nokia from the nineties/early 2000's? I've been looking all over to find a 'mobile phone for the elderly' and learned from experience a lot of these people have underestimated their 'dependency' on the ease of use of the classic Nokia menu. Because of, imho, Nokia's poor offering for this audience, a lot of them ended up with something that looked like a Nokia (probably wrongly presuming it would work likewise) and quickly ended up ditching it. I was hoping this one would fit the bill. What do you think? Thank you for your informative video!

[@MichaelaWatkins2015]

Thanks Scottie, great review however, on Nokia's website they say that the text on the 2720 Flip can be made bigger for those of us who struggle and this is one reason for the big buttons and larger screen. I will be buying one of these very soon and for that reason, great that you can remove Facebook etc. Thank you.

[@tommyjansson7471]

I really like your reviews! How about checking Cat B35 out. It runs KaiOs and I'm planning to buy one.

[@gregf9160]

Yep, this one is a big plus for me. I've been following your discussions/reviews on these and this is definitely a potential future replacement :) yay for big, usable button.

[@therealshadow3601]

The pointy clicking thing is called a dpad short for directional pad since you are using it to move in different directions just like video game controls

[@ScottiesTech]

That's it!! Dpad. Thanks!

[@Georg89]

Your video is amazing, thank you. I just bought a Nokia 6300 with kaiOS and was looking for information about kaiOS and "dumbphones". :-D

[@Brabbs]

Hows using the phone so far?

[@Georg89]

@@Brabbs All in all i'm very happy so far. There are some inconveniences (like texting is slow, internet is almost not usable) - but to be honset...this is exactly what i was looking for as it keeps me from doing that stuff too often. :-)

[@Brabbs]

@@Georg89 which model did you buy? I also heard there were problems with voice calls.

[@Georg89]

@@Brabbs I have Nokia 6300 4G. No problems with phone calls so far. :)

[@Brabbs]

@@Georg89 one more question, how well does it work with SD cards?

[@rattsjcfanpage01]

Sounds interesting

[@duffvader6731]

This 2720 is a MUST BUY for me.

[@JesusChristIsLord__]

Thanks for the recommendation! The Nokia 2720 is around 130.00 right now. Good advice on waiting past the holiday season. If prices are low enough then, I'll probably snap one up! As always, thank you for the work you do!

[@crazycuts6891]

How many GB space does the Nokia 2720 have? And how long is the battery life in the 2720?

[@ScottiesTech]

You stick a microSD card in for storage. 32GB max.

[@rattsjcfanpage01]

I use the Nokia 2760 flip phone as a main phone but I use a smart phone on the side, 3-4 times a week but less. I'm going to get another flip phone, the Alcatel my flip 2. It's a nice little phone.

[@nightanddayphotography1228]

Hey love your take on this phone, and "dumbphones" in general. Great vid! I'm thinking of moving to this phone, but I can't seem to find the answer to one question anywhere... can this phone 2-way sync my contacts, email, and CALENDAR to my outlook.com account? All I could find online are statements saying it doesn't work in 2018, but this is 2020, and I'm sure progress has been made. Any idea? Thank you so much!

[@ScottiesTech]

No, I'm afraid it can't do that.

[@alsadekalkhayer7007]

Hi, much of thanks for the lovely and useful video. You said that it's not possible to make a voice call, although I read at Kaios Homepage that WhatsApp supports both voice and video call on the latest version of Kaios. Could you please confirm!

[@ScottiesTech]

I'm not sure... Don't use WhatsApp, but the last thing I could find is from June of this year where a WhatsApp dev said that voice calling is "challenging" on KaiOS phones. Voice MESSAGES work, but apparently not voice/video calling. Where did you see that info?

[@abbasabdulwahab3485]

Is the hardware of the Nokia 8110 4G a perfect fit for the case of this flip phone?

[@rattsjcfanpage01]

I might get a Alcatel my flip 2 in the near future with TracFone.

[@CyrusOfNaias]

Hey there. Is that Q-Link pendant still working for you? I'm trying one out soon.

[@ScottiesTech]

Yup! Still wearing it. Still happy with it.

[@CyrusOfNaias]

@@ScottiesTech excellent. I live in a somewhat dense telecom area, so I hope it works

[@locutusofborg7122]

Scottie, I found this video so intetesting that I have transcribed like 99% of what you said in the video. If you would like a copy of this transcription, send me a private message with your email address, or another contact method of your chosing. I have 3 questions: (1) Is the Nokia 2720 unlocked; (2) Does it use GSM; (3) Can it be used here in the US with a cell carrier, like AT&T which uses GSM? I thank you in advance for your response to my offer and my 3 questions!

[@J.Bradley.]

I'm looking for a 4g/4g lte dumb phone that works on Verizons network, takes good pictures, has a qwerty keyboard, and can send and recieve photo texts. Bluetooth would be nice for calls in the car. Do not want google, apps or internet. Any help?

[@Sel817]

NOTICED your CUP. Greetings from Slovenija

[@afcpez91]

I know the majority of KaiOS feature phones don't run uber as an app but do you know any models where it's possible to book an uber via the website? I'm looking to downgrade for a social media detox and only really need a phone which I'm able to book an uber on to travel..even if it's via the web browser. Thanks.

[@mwanjelorwence4711]

It is very nice

[@aaronksnell]

Where can you purchase these? I can't seem to find where to purchase?

[@JesusChristIsLord__]

Look on eBay and Amazon. I did a search and they came right up.

[@zazakordzakhia5364]

good video

[@MSaud-zf4mr]

Hi, In the phone book if a name John King is saved......... does it search the phone book by both names John and king or only John?

[@ScottiesTech]

Both!

[@bs9273]

please tell me how to do the revolving manu to that phone...

[@LoboWarriorForever]

How's battery life? How many hours?

[@mikeharrington5593]

Security? Does KaiOS load only secure web pages?

[@adabre2170]

how well does (if present) speech to text work for text messaging?

[@ScottiesTech]

I was actually shocked at how well it worked. Well, in English, anyway.

[@keithbartlett8926]

Hi. My Nokia Flip phone worked fine first off all but Whatsapp no longer pushes messages. I received a replacement phone and still the same. Nokia tell me to wait for a future update. Does your phone work ok with WhatsApp with messages arriving without having to open WhatsApp? I have tried two different carrier SIM cards. Thanks

[@ylein6508]

I love the fact that 2720 is a flip phone. Wish my smartphone can flip too

[@janetfitzgerald9752]

Time and date are wrong on my 2720. There seems to be no option to change it under, “settings “. Can you tell me where to find time and date settings?

[@rattsjcfanpage01]

I’ve been back and forth… I’m going back to a flip phone! I’ve had enough with smart phones. But I’ll still have it for email and a camera. Technology is going to get worse.

[@Dan-2025]

I wish one day nokia makes a dumbphone that actually has a good camera

[@ScottiesTech]

I hear ya. I never use the camera on my phone, but at only 2MP, those who DO use the camera *definitely* need something better than that...

[@debaffleck443]

Isn't that centre button called the home key?

[@paulclare6589]

Can the internal sd card be removed and replaced with a 16-32 gb card that has prerecorded music for playback.?

[@ScottiesTech]

Yup. I put a 32GB microSD card in.

[@JohnDought]

How long does the battery last?

[@Apassionist]

Hi there, which one of these phones would allow whatsapp calls?

[@adim882]

Where can I purchase the phone from?

[@rosieposie6322]

My KaiOS phone is needing a upgrade, I might end up getting that

[@Marny5580]

I did watch/listen all the way through - however, too much info for me - and not enough info on how to use the damn thing! However, YOU did give me more info than 2 hours of Verizon CHAT - and I thank you. The phone is taking a very long time to charge - and I don't know if something is wrong. Again, thanks.

[@AspergersversusNeurotypicals]

does anyone know if all phones are compatable with standard earbuds with mic, for making calls using headset? some phones i see out there say bluetooth compatable, but none say it's compatable with a wired headset. anyone know of a flip phone dumphone compatable with wired, old school, headset (e.g. not bluetooth)

[@ScottiesTech]

The Nokia ones come with earbuds/mic. The jack on them is for either headphones or a wired headset for making calls.

[@shoaibmujawar1375]

Does the kaios store have a pdf reader?

[@ScottiesTech]

Oh, good question... No, apparently not. :(

[@AhmedSafaa1]

How about Gmail, can I download and open attached files (photos, pdf, word document)?

[@amelsfr]

I wish the 2720 had a front facing camera, it would help to have someone bring a videocall service on kaiOS

[@thisisbs808]

Can you use Uber and Lyft with KaiOS?

[@Sandeeskibug]

how do you send a text message ?

[@pointlessink6084]

how about lets call it direction keys or pad, cause from what I could remember that was what they used to call it cause their main function is up down left right to navigate.

[@iamanempoweredone6064]

I still want a keyboard

[@napexcape7547]

I would love a dumb phone with a keyboard. Best phone ever

[@rachelmcgill5258]

Is this phone supported in the US? I'd like one, but I'm late to the game, and as of today, I'm not seeing it supported in the US

[@Andybyduo]

Can you install Pandora on this phone?

[@EL-pc8fb]

Still not available in the US( April, 2020) Can you see KZbin videos on this phone ?

[@ScottiesTech]

Yes, you can watch YT vids on it.

[@schilll]

I really wanted to love KaiOS but the update for whatsapp (around version 14.00) still isn't released in the Netherlands. When i contacted support they were unable to tell me what was wrong. As soon as the update releases here I'll gladly give that flip phone a shot... Or maybe the banana haha

[@WaschyNumber1]

WhatsApp is owned by facebook and is anti security you can get, use better signal messager.

[@YouAreBreathing]

I got the Nokia 2720 Flip phone before the whole pandemic thing, and I was going to see if I can survive using this phone in 2020, but I'll postpone my experiment until later this year.

[@schedelworld]

Are you US-based? I've been trying to find anyone who has used this on AT&T in the US. I've read conflicting reviews about whether or not it works on ATT.

[@ScottiesTech]

As far as I know, AT&T is a GSM cell network, so the phone should work fine. T-mobile should also work. The rest, no.

[@jamiwhiting4361]

Have you found anymore out about this Hero BLOB? I just decided to wing it and order this phone on eBay 😬😬😬 I have AT&T here in US.

[@schedelworld]

@@jamiwhiting4361 nah, I ended up going with a banana phone that uses the same os, but I never figured out how to get it working.

[@jefferyjames8292]

Wow khaios look so flexible to use

[@CathyDotUK]

I got the 2720 flip and the button are way bigger than I expected

[@scottroder5516]

Could a 2720 be used as a WiFi hotspot

[@kasvinimuniandy4178]

If I could navigate the home screen with the keypad, I'd be back to my old Nokia brick phone days... Hehhehe.... Gosh I miss two-handed navigation. And typing with the keypad!! Without looking...

[@jessek6677]

does this have wifi calling?

[@gsfreis]

Question: Can you use WhatsApp Web in the KaiOS version?

[@ScottiesTech]

Ya know, I haven't tried. But given the severely limited nature of the KaiOS web browser, I seriously doubt it.

[@bryanantu1737]

Is the 8110 coming to the states at all?

[@ScottiesTech]

I had heard it was, but at this point, I guess not!

[@alrafa1598]

So all apps are PWA here, is that means I have to be connected with internet to run them?

[@MatthewHilbertsBaritone]

the D pad, the cursor control unit.