4G Dumbphones: Get one with KaiOS!

One year ago, I advised against getting a 4G dumbphone with KaiOS. I am officially reversing that recommendation!
After purchasing a Nokia 8110 4G and playing with it for 1 month, I'm actually pretty speechless, and that IS rare.
Despite Google's investment of $22 million in KaiOS over 1 year ago, Google's services remain "add-ons". IOW, KaiOS has NOT become Android Lite.
KaiOS is KaiOS, and there's some Googley stuff on the phone that you can either use, or not. Better yet, you can block the Google apps from doing much of anything.
Even better, KaiOS is basically what PWAs will become on normal smartphones: KaiOS apps are actually just HTML5 + CSS + Javascript, running on a Gecko-based browser engine tied tightly to a small linux kernel.
The end result is the perfect non-Android, Google-enabled dumbphone. You can do stuff like Facebook or WhatsApp if you want, but there are NOT Android-type apps.
Note that the KaiOS app store is totally separate from Google's Play store, and there are 130+ apps already available - and growing daily.
So, for your new dumbphone, give KaiOS a try!
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[@ScottiesTech]

Why dumbphones with KaiOS are still pretty dumb: scottiestech.info/2019/09/24/dumbphone-with-kaios-hang-on-isnt-that-a-smartphone/

[@ScottiesTech]

@Fake name WhatsApp, FB, and Twitter are removable. The Google ones are not - not easily, anyway.

[@freeulstermanantrim6900]

I like your videos, but please turn up the volume on your microphone. I can't hear you. (I am using an old MacBook.) Is it my computer, or is it you? Very interesting info.. Please do a video on Nokia 110 (new 2019 version released in Oct.?) I think it uses google op. system?

[@therealshadow3601]

What carrier do you use with this device

[@maddoxzain920]

Instablaster...

[@decjantv2956]

Is it possible to install java games from micro SD to KaiOS phones like nokia 8000 4g?.

[@bushtrash2286]

I use a dumb phone, it fits in my pocket, no broken screen, dropped it many times, fits in my tool belt at work, and if I lose it or some how break it, it cheap to replace, so why are they dumb? sounds smart to me.

[@ScottiesTech]

I couldn't agree more!

[@fabjonjon]

I would be out of buisness within 2 weeks if I attempted to switch to a "non smart phone". Key is to add a watch to it that doesnt need to be tethered via bluetooth. You can still get make and accept calls and you dont have to worry about losing a phone, pulling it out, or any of that nonsense. Plus if you do have any emails or notifications they will go to the watch. But I also bought 4 prepaid phones with rollover minutes (60 mins each that never expire) and activated them, charged battery to 100 percent, then turned them off and stuck them in glove boxes of each car with a car charger. I paid 220 bucks for all 4 phones (3g) that are the size of a small bic lighter and 60 min calling card for each. Saftey first.

[@bushtrash2286]

@@fabjonjon Well my little flip phone does have BT, I use a ear peace that I can accept calls, don't get me wrong , flip phones are lousy on texting, and other things, like writing down information, I use a smart phone in my truck that can connect to my flip phone, but only use it in my truck, smart phones are just to delicate for most construction sites. A pencil and frame work are great for writing down information, and a pencil does not need to be recharged :) Stay safe out their, nothing like hitting your hands with a hammer early on a cold morning as your BT shouts at you, and your aim is put off for a mili second. :)

[@smug_slime]

I can do all that with smartphone too so i don't see a point.

[@bushtrash2286]

@@smug_slime Enjoy replacing cases, and no your smart phone does not fit in your pocket or tool belt as my dumb phone.

[@jkllfdsa]

Why can't anyone make a slider with a tactile QWERTY keyboard anymore?

[@MrPDTaylor]

Developing for KaiOS is just plain JavaScript and HTML!

[@ScottiesTech]

Yup, similar to PWAs... SO much easier.

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@Akio Izumi あきオ イず미

[@kerriemills1310]

Yay! Came back to watching again when Cletus is on.😀 Thankyou for informing me on dumb phone's, again.🌼

[@RasVoja]

We need QWERTY KaiOS phone :)

[@ScottiesTech]

:O That would be great!

[@AlexThorn]

Damn straight

[@RasVoja]

@Viktor Turtle T9 is nice feature, but yet, I vote for full QWERTY

[@jayjumnani]

Jiophone 2 in india is qwerty phone with kaios

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@RasVoja uP

[@neirubo]

Im using Smartphones, but only at home, and the nokia 2720 flip looks like an awesome flip phone/dumb phone for me, cant wait for it!!! Thanks for the video as always!!!

[@neirubo]

Exactly J, have an awesome day!

[@markozec7554]

Hey, excellent video, very informative, I watched both your videos on this topic and I am relieved that kaiOS isn't a sellout since privacy matters to me. I am also super excited about the new 2720 flip, I cannot wait till it gets available in eastern Europe where I live. Its a perfect phone for me because I hate smartphones and was looking for a feature flip phone for a while now.

[@bl00dra1nn]

hey do you know if the nokia 2720 can make whatsapp voice calls?

[@Relumer]

thank you for your insights, I switched from Android to Nokia 800 and I'm more thank happy with KaiOS.

[@Countravendark]

I love Kaios, got the 8110 myself but i wanna buy the Nokia 800 Tough when it comes out....Can't wait🤘

[@Countravendark]

Yeah it looks amazing indeed, in The Netherlands the 800 Tough is coming out within 2 weeks, although you can order the black edition already. But my aim is for the brown edition, i've always had a black one so let's go out of the box! Sorry i don't know when or IF this phone will be available in the U.S.

[@SproutyPottedPlant]

Autistic-Schizophrenic Superman as he says as he uses Google services to write his comment.

[@JesusChristIsLord__]

Your channel's really grown on me! Thank you for the helpful information!

[@barbaralaing4114]

Hi, first time I've checked out your reviews. Impressed. The presentation was thoughtful, clear, informative. It gave me quite a lot to think about which I appreciate. Well done you. The limitation of the direction / selection 'blob' that you found so irritating is one of two things about the phone that make me a little dubious about using it. The other one is the prehistoric numeric keypad - press twice for a, press three times for b, etc. I can imagine going full on Hulk at using it. A look at the interior, cover off, for the phone to show what size SIM card etc would be used would have helped. Appreciate your time and expertise, thank you for the review. Take care, keep safe

[@ScottiesTech]

One bit of bad news: As of this moment, I have yet to find a USB->Ethernet adapter that works with the Nokia 8110. :( I contacted Nokia to ask...

[@ScottiesTech]

Nokia responded and said that no, the 8110 will NOT work with a USB-Ethernet adapter. SIGH! Well, that's annoying. They did, however, say that they would forward my question on to the techies as a feature request - which is nice!

[@pacer1705]

You should look at ZTE T21 4G phone. It does USB Ethernet but not Mobile Wireless Hotspot.

[@mmakaba]

You can buy a wi-fi repeater with ethernet port.

[@ponraul1221]

KaiOS needs spotify.

[@dinlobiscuit4611]

Damn I nearly bought the Banana phone a couple of months ago but went for a Lenovo A5 mainly because I did not realise that the Banana is not as dumb as I thought , just a little backward maybe ? I need dual sim but not a big smartphone fan as they are too invasive of your privacy .Maybe I will give the new Nokia Flip a try as long as it has a dual sim version like the Banana which can be bought in a single sim variant for a few pounds less , thanks for the video Scottie

[@jdatdeface]

Thank you Scottie! Thank yo your review just purchased Nokia 8110 4G Black for 68 EUR in local store. Good phone. Have linux. Possible to configure near everything about privacy. Simple but with lot of modern functions. Can be jailbreaked and use alternative firmware. Easy to write own apps . Looks like this is alternative future for android.

[@barbkitts759]

Wow! Great video! Thank you so much for sharing your insights into these phones. I am going to be in the market for another phone in the not too distant future and have been wondering if I would find anything I like. My phone of choice is always the flip phone, so I will be watching for the Nokia 2720. Also, I guess I need to do some self educating... always thought a smart phone was one that could access the Internet. So now need to get an understanding of the difference. One thing I DO know... I want nothing to do with 5G. Thanks again!!!

[@ScottiesTech]

Don't worry, you're not the only one who is confused by all this stuff, because it IS confusing. In short, a smartphone does calling and texting and can run apps and access the internet. Dumbphones were more for just calling and sending text messages. But now with dumbphones running KaiOS, dumbphones are quasi-smart... You can install apps that do stuff, you can access the internet, and you can do normal phone stuff. But dumbphones are less powerful than smartphones (computational power). Of course, if you don't want any of the fancy "smarter" stuff, just don't use it, and Bob's your uncle. Piece of cake, right? ;)

[@BaktaBak3]

Love the flip phone. Easy to carry around , tough little thing, IT"S JUST A PHONE ! ! !

[@WingsOfDomesticViolence]

Who does he think he is callin' me phone a WINKY? You're a WINKY! 🙃

[@scarletxoxo6757]

Hey there I am going crazy! Trying to find a phone that works in CANADA! I want privacy, no tracking, no updates with evil privacy agreements, no AI face recognition, NO fingerprint readers! But I still need to be able to check my email, use maps, phone and texting. I have ordered the lite phone 2 but it doesnt do email and thats kinda a huge pain in the ass! also its super expensive! I am thinking I should return it. I have watched your videos and am looking at the Nokia 800 Tough OR the Cat B35 phones. I think these are using UK chargers so I would need a charging adapters. 110- 220 volts. Do you know if Nokia 800 Tough OR the Cat B35 will work in CANADA? I am getting super confused information where one website will say something different than another site. Please Please help!

[@RasVoja]

Making dumb phones smarter and battery life great again!

[@maryl.7226]

KaiOS with some Google features; wouldn't that mean that this "dumb phone" is still smart enough to rope people into their corrals of privacy-deprived, data-compromised consumers? To me, one of the primary reasons for not using a smartphone is to improve one's privacy and security by unplugging from google,amazon,and social media (besides, in many cases, reclaiming time for more meaningful pursuits). At 67 and a long-time smartphone user, I'm in the process of selecting a basic flip phone so I can better protect my data and personal privacy, as well as simplfying my lifestyle. Am I understanding correctly that KaiOS is simply a slower, narrower gateway to the problems I'm trying to shut the door to as much as possible? Thanks, Scott -- great channel!

[@HearTruth]

unless You are Cardiologist on call 24/7 Do you really need a CELL ?

[@ArmorofTruth]

Fig Tree Informer great point. The love of convenience could be the downfall of privacy and liberty. We believe we need these devices and are trained to "need' them.

[@HearTruth]

@@ArmorofTruth 2 Corinthians 2:11 We are NOT Ignorant of Satan's DEVICES key word Devices.. ohh ahh ok God Bless You

[@HearTruth]

@@ArmorofTruth ps Liberty is NOT Freedom look it up

[@woodymoto2326]

@@HearTruth Liberty is defined as: 1) Freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control. 2) Freedom from external or foreign rule; independence. 3) Freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice. 4) Freedom from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint. So the KEY WORD in the definition of LIBERTY IS FREEDOM.

[@HearTruth]

@@woodymoto2326 Liberty is according to IF THEY so LET us have it.. see what I am saying/

[@Panzerbeast]

July 2020 got my Nokia 8110 4G.... Still going strong. Love it. Left all the whatsapp groups I was in and just keep whatsapp for 1-2-1 chat. Someone else's problem is no longer mine.

[@KitKat-ez6js]

In India the kaiOS based phone that we use is JioPhone

[@KitKat-ez6js]

@ⅰи∂ㄩㄅ360 Ya it's just Rs 1500 Works only with jio sim.

[@poerna05]

I have bought 2720 Flip..nice dumbphone, looks older but still handle in 4G with WLAN also.. nice gadget with oldest memories. Please review it...thanks

[@rajendrakumarjha1112]

Is it available in india

[@poerna05]

@@rajendrakumarjha1112 I do not man...I was buying online in Indonesian online shop (tokopedia), which dropped from Vietnam.

[@Medolino2009]

great video, full of informations... thank you.

[@rattsjcfanpage01]

I’m going back to a flip phone, I can’t stand technology and it’s going to get worse and no one seems to care! All they care about is their smart phone.

[@maxnemo1643]

I would like a dumbphone with nothing but 4g calling and the ability to text. No internet or location. Any recommendations?

[@19683]

max nemo turn data off

[@gregf9160]

All sounds good to me and the "shortcomings" are perceived as a plus by me. May investigate so thanks.

[@majorskies7091]

oh wow i too was avoiding Kai OS phones for your same concerns i didn't realise the google intergradation was so lax on it... cus i been wanting to go back to some of the "fancy" unique looking phones from back in the day like the Nokia E8 or the Nokia C3-01 but I am concerned the email client might not work (I reckon it will if its just port numbers and stuff like even in Windows XP the really old email client still works today) i'll have to keep it in the forefront of my thinking but I'm still for a little fun as well try and old phone before getting a Kai one.

[@tommyday4856]

I enjoyed your video. Nokia mobile phones are excellent. I have the 3310 (a remake of their old design) and really like it. It is tough, and it snaps back together easily if accidentally dropped. I prefer it's simplicity over the "smart" phones most people use today. I think the slider phone you reviewed is very similar. I can't wait to see the new flip-phone that's soon to be released. Small mobile phones are so much easier to carry and don't need a WiFi connection to get text messages, or to use different features that "smart" phones have. I still have concerns about Google's involvement with the company. They are just too big and powerful, in my opinion. Also, can "Duck, Duck, Go" or Quant be installed on these phones instead of Google (for search)? I suppose they can be used in addition to Google as the operating system is kaiOS, right? Anyway, keep up the good work. p.s. - what do you think about apple iphones (for touch-screen)?

[@ScottiesTech]

The KaiOS app store has 130+ apps, but no DuckDuckGo as of yet as far as I could tell. Of course, you can always use the browser and search via DuckDuckGo. I'm also a bit hesitant still about Google's involvement, because they always try to vacuum up data. On the other hand, one doesn't have to use those apps, they can be more or less blocked, and the apps that are there are just basically web pages (like PWAs) as opposed to "real" Android apps. So, at this point, it looks to me like the possibility for exploitation is fairly low. That may change in the future, but we'll see.

[@richardsang6598]

Dear Scott, I noticed from your video you are having some trouble using the navigation button, I suggest you use your thumb and place your thumb on to the big button on the middle and tilt your thumb to the left or right and the same with up or down, I think it should solve the problem. I am old school, started with dump phone for nearly 20 years before moving in to smart phone in 2011.

[@johnyossarian1397]

Excellent! Thank you both :) Am also rather excited by the upcoming 2720 Flip.

[@virtualvirtual2362]

this is actually cool, just what you need gps and internet connection if you get lost, that's it

[@rattsjcfanpage01]

I’m getting the new BLU flex flip phone, looks cool and it’s small

[@h.b.5577]

Still using blackberry q20, 4g, private and free from anything google, runs bb10 not android, fantastic keyboard, but is imminently (end of December this year) going to be losing its application store (blackberry world), so if you don’t get one and set it up before then or like me are worried about the long term future here (it’s going die sooner or later after all), the tough certain does seem like a very nice device to get.

[@andrew41980]

Coffee, Cletus and Scottie. Good morning!

[@ptproductions3582]

I use a doro 626, got it for Christmas and it’s a good phone. I just started using it a few weeks ago and I love it. Just wish it had a browser and gps.

[@jonh.6254]

I am looking for a dumb phone WITHOUT a camera for someone in a rehab facility. It's all they're allowed. No Luck. Any suggestions?

[@ScottiesTech]

Nothing I know of - at a reasonable price, anyway! The Light Phone is pretty good, but way too expensive.

[@michaeldhondt368]

Thanks for this information I just ordered an unlocked Doro 7050 from eBay running Kaios can’t wait for it to arrive

[@michaeldhondt368]

They probably don’t but someone unlocks them. I live in Canada and it‘a law that every phone is sold unlocked

[@michaeldhondt368]

You can buy any phone from any carrier at full price walk out and immediately cancel the plan and then use the phone you just bought with any carrier in the world here

[@beatlecost]

How would you recommend the 8110 vs a smartphone in terms of data harvesting by Google?

[@delmancini8428]

Nice review... is there a way of uninstalling, or at least disabling 'undesirable' apps?

[@sheilao92]

What phones are not KaiOS? Can you provide that list? I loved the old OS and I wish to purchase a non KaiOS phone.

[@davidcrokettt6089]

Scotty! Do you know of any 4g dumb phones with no screen? Meaning it can only call, no texts or anything else?

[@garybombadier3185]

There are a lot of people that prefer flip phones, but they are hard to find and price is outrageous.

[@frankinsensed8058]

Great video, great info, and great humor!

[@s.m.samidhassansazin1349]

If Nokia lunches those old feature phones.. the world will still go crazy🙂

[@bobbysnickers249]

Here’s a question, do you think if I acquire a phone like this but then also utilize the number on an iPad with say Signal (where most my communication takes place) that that will work ?

[@ScottiesTech]

Alas, I don't know much about Signal...

[@tjduff]

I use speech-to-text when sending SMS text messages. Does LaiOS have speech-to-text functionality for its SMS messaging?

[@ScottiesTech]

Not sure what happened to my first reply... Yes, you can use Google Assistant for text-to-speech. On the messaging screen, or anywhere else there's a text input box, press and hold the big "center" button on the keypad for a bit, and GA will pop up and write whatever you speak. Of course, that means it's all being fed through Google, but since you don't have to enter your Google Account or e-mail or anything else to use it, there is at least a bit more privacy.

[@areluc]

Nokia announced 3310 4G with better specs beginning of 2018 but AFAIK it still hasn't come out... bummer!

[@manamancreations6363]

What happens if we login to a Google Account on a new Android device that we have created anonymously (not linked to our identity)? Do we have to remain logged out of Google to stay private?

[@davecobb5649]

Hi Scottie, really enjoyed watching an honest review of kaiOs and the 8810. I'm looking to get the 800 tough when it comes out in a few weeks. Can you tell me if the default apps, like Google, can be uninstalled? Is the T9 implementation really that bad? Cheers

[@ScottiesTech]

The default apps cannot be uninstalled without a bit of hacking: sites.google.com/view/bananahackers/customizations/uninstalling-pre-installed-apps The T9 thing probably isn't that bad once you use it bit, but I was more used to the old-school Nokia method of tapping buttons 300 times to cycle through letters (crazy, but true).

[@studiosampersand]

I got a Nokia 8110 for exactly 8hours... Also the time takes for the battery to drain. I afterwards charged it, to find out I can't put it in factory settings and just sent it back as is. Worst experience ever.

[@ScottiesTech]

Well, that sucks! I don't blame you for sending it back. I would have done the same.

[@-shawn-4640]

Hey man j'ai une question: qu'est-ce que tu penserais si j'achetais les derniers ipod touch? Ça a la reconnaissance vocal, et ça peut quand même se connecter sur le wifi... est-ce que tu penses que mes donnés peuvent quand même être envoyés au gouvernement via wifi? Ou est-ce que je suis protégé étant donné qu'il y a pas de donnés comme sur un telephone inteligent?

[@-shawn-4640]

By the way je sais que ça peut pas faire d'appels mais c'est corect je veux juste pouvoir écouter de la musique et pouvoir prendre des notes, utiliser la calculatrice etc

[@ScottiesTech]

Franchement, sauf le fait que l'iPod ne peut pas connecter au réseau téléphonique, c'est presque la même chose qu'une smartphone. Il y a même des capteurs comme une gyroscope à trois axes et une accéléromètre. Donc, la possibilité de voir vos données aspirées par "le gouv" est assez élevé. La grande différence, c'est que l'iPod n'est pas toujours connecté à l'internet chaque seconde. Alors, c'est un peut plus "safe", surtout si vous le mettez en "mode avion" si vous n’êtes pas chez vous. Comme ça, au moins il n'y a plus de tracking en temps réel.

[@Yahootie]

SMART isn’t.

[@timi_ro]

Isn't KaiOS based on the old FirefoxOS ?

[@ScottiesTech]

Yup. Altho apparently there was another version in the middle between the time Mozilla ditched it, and KaiOS picked it up and ran with it.

[@mariospolos]

Nice review!!! does it have call recorder? thank you

[@steveyjay8657]

Does anyone know if Google Voice works on KaiOS devices? I know I'm not the only one but people have multiple numbers now. Thanks

[@ChamGee]

"KaiOS is an OS made by a company in California." Sounds trustworthy to me....not

[@bryan_ferrer]

How about Blackberry? They have been advertising themselves as safe and secure.

[@ScottiesTech]

That's a good question. From what I can tell, they are definitely more secure than your average smartphone. On the other hand, that security seems to be more about securing your data from hacking and such, and not necessarily from preventing tracking data and the like from getting into Google's hands. So, in the end I'm not sure.

[@truthseeker3907]

Thumbs up! :-) Indiana USA.

[@boink8653]

is there a review of the Nokia 2720 flip? I am going to get this phone this weekend

[@Countravendark]

Two days ago i received my Nokia 800 Tough, and i am so happy with it! For me no smartphone anymore, people at work think i am crazy because i downgraded my smartphone to a feature phone. But i am happy, the ohone feels rugged as fuck, nice big buttons, brilliant sound when it rings. Did i say i am in love again with my phone? Actually i never wanted a smartphone, but was talked into it but now i am no slave from Google anymore but i am free!

[@evamadelene]

Can 4G dumbphones still be used with 5G? I have heard that they will phase them out..

[@ShamanKish]

They want to phase out everything, including iPhones, so that you keep buying buying buying 😎

[@ScottiesTech]

No, but as I understand it, initially 4G will be used to establish a 5G connection with new 5G phones. So, 4G should be sticking around for quite awhile, especially since it will take years for 5G to roll out everywhere (thank goodness).

[@TheElijahMinistries]

Does it work on more than a few freq.’s in Das USA? VPN? Providers?

[@bluebull399]

This makes no sense, the whole point of having a dumb phone is that the battery lasts for weeks. There is no other reason to own one, If this isn't that much better than a smart phone then you might as well just buy a smartphone with a small screen!

[@justinedevoe7166]

Why do we need any "G"s??? I thought a dumb phone had no need for wifi???

[@ScottiesTech]

Dumbphones don't need to have WiFi, but in order to work as cell phones at all, they must be 2G, 3G, 4G, or 5G. Those G's just refer to a particular generation of cell phone tech. There's a lot of confusion out there about this though, mostly because some equipment makers and service providers refer to WiFi as 2.4G or 5G, which that's actually 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz, which refers to the frequency used. But wait, there's more! WiFi also has it's own generational versions... although those are usually labeled WiFi 5, WiFi 6, etc... But I've seen the "G" added in there, as well. It's enough to make you go cross-eyed!

[@justinedevoe7166]

@@ScottiesTech 🤪 you're not kidding! 😄 Thanks. It's totally confusing to me. Thanks for answering... 😊❤👍

[@fortnitefred1351]

Why not pressure our politicians to rein in big tech. Rather than have to buy NEW phones.

[@chakkakon]

$$$$$$

[@ArmorofTruth]

fortnite Fred we live in a worldwide Corporatocracy now. Which means there is no difference between corporations and government. Without an enormous percentage of consumers demanding a reversion they will build the model society they have envisioned and we will follow along like sheep. Humans have come to live convenience more that safety, privacy or liberty. That's a sad scenario.

[@justinedevoe7166]

R I G H T.... 😂

[@schilll]

Having some trouble updating my nokia 8110, every time i try to update my OS or software as they call it, it tells me there are no new updates, tried to restart the phone to factory settings, restarting the phone a number of times but still no succes.

[@ScottiesTech]

There's a setting in there for downloading updates over WiFi only, or also over the cell data connection. I changed mine to WiFi + cell data, and it was able to grab the latest update okay. If that's not it, I'm not sure what the problem is...

[@marilynm464]

Do you know what service the Nokia works on? TracFone,AT&T, verizon,etc?

[@DKrappenschitz]

So I’m having a heck of a time figuring out what network this would work on on the states. It says it’s a GSM compliant network phone so that means only T-Mobile and AT&T right?

[@ScottiesTech]

I thought it was Verizon or AT&T, but you might be right.

[@czgunner]

Bought a Nokia 8000 4G on ebay. I can make and receive calls, and send texts, but cannot receive texts. I'm in USA on Verizon.

[@geekygirl2596]

I just got an alcatel flip phone that runs kaiOS. There honestly isn't much that my smartphone can do that it can't do. I don't have a data plan with it, but it runs fine on my wifi. The only thing it can't do, is play pokemon go.

[@MrFeelGoodJson24YTP]

I tried Nokia 8800 4G and I hated it because KaiOS is so sluggish than a decent budget Android phone even on browsing Facebook and even having some bugs when typing.

[@ScottiesTech]

I also noticed some sluggishness in places. After I updated to the latest version of KaiOS with the built-in auto updater, it went away.

[@MrFeelGoodJson24YTP]

@@ScottiesTech yeah. I actually sold it online after that. Lacking of useful apps (no proper FB Messenger app), messed up version of web apps (especially those made for touchscreens) and a bug when I type very fast it erases the whole sentences that I typed made me wanna stay away from KaiOS devices.

[@ScottiesTech]

@@MrFeelGoodJson24YTP Hmm. Well, I'm gonna be on the lookout now for any others who've had the same problems. Thanks for the info!

[@emilyanderson9043]

Hi! Do you have any recommendations for basic phones with group texting enabled?

[@familiebersch1673]

Hi, i need to know to these Dumbphones, if the Hotspot 4G is useful and fast as in a smart phone, it is what i really need because i only use the internet from my phone ... thanks for answer who knows

[@lelandb387]

Hey! Isn't Cletus one of those creatures from that old Heinlein novel? I forget which one.

[@ScottiesTech]

He's a Tribble, from Star Trek.

[@keithnorris8982]

Sorry, I don't know how my question came up multiple times

[@johannes4601]

Is it possible to completely remove unwanted preinstalled apps? Facebook, Google Assistant etc. Or are they locked like on Android phones I've used previously?

[@ScottiesTech]

Not the Google apps, but most of the others can be uninstalled.

[@rjb1309]

Under Settings > Display, can you make the text smaller?

[@TheElijahMinistries]

Good Idea! We all live in a Yellow SubMarine with Google Apps & Maps PreInstalled in the Hardware, Hope you like a Banana 🍌pEEl3d . . . Is IT REALLY TURNED OFF? STORED/Covert Uploads?

[@shaun9107]

No phone turns off

[@TheElijahMinistries]

Looking for kNOw baby goo goo’s like a Golden SubMarine!

[@ITILII]

@@shaun9107 Unless..you remove the battery. And NO phone made these days let you remove the battery.....The Matrix HAS YOU !!!!! Don't feed into all the "technological advances" and "conveniences"; and FICO, Equifax, Experian, Trans Union don't own your information - YOU DO....YOU belong to YOU !!! Be Smart by not using so much Dumb stuff......don't Feed the Beast !!!

[@shaun9107]

@@ITILII I do not use a smart phone with an account for a start , its just a player with headphones . used indoors

[@robertallard7611]

can you uninstall apps such as youtube, facebook etc?

[@ScottiesTech]

Google ones, no. Other ones, yes.

[@capnchip]

Is that Cletus' sister sitting on top of your head?

[@dipacmusic]

I bought it the moment it was out, I know it’s a feature phone, that’s why kept it as primary device, but the software is so slow, I hangs up even more than 3310

[@johngrammaticus5296]

Cletus rocks love tribbles but wait till cats grow thumbs

[@decjantv2956]

Is it possible to install java games from micro SD to KaiOS phones like nokia 8000 4g?

[@rosemarydolliver]

I just want to answer my phone and text and when WiFi is out, hot-spot! Any ideas?

[@casesquirrel583]

Bought one for 57$. Just for curiosity.

[@landscapedetective4064]

Take a look at the KaiOS homepage and check out their 'partners': amongst which are Google and Facebook. Hmm...suspicious. Do you think Google isn't going to demand its own backdoor?

[@gear_addicted]

Is there Viber for KaiOS?

[@blackfang3000]

KaiOS devices are great to use with Surface GO tablets.

[@panaoutsios1990]

Dumb people buying 1000 euros smartphones every year Dumb phones buying business people for not knowing other people what are they doing

[@jellyfishjelly1941]

Banana phone!!! I was considering 8110 but ended up with a slightlyLessDumbAndroidPhone instead. I liked KaiOS but there aren't some apps I'd like to see and more importantly I don't want any preinstalled google apps. There may be no account but google can probably still correlate some unique advertising identifier to your home cookies when you are connected to your lan. So at this point, you can probably degoogle android phone more easily: Choose aosp base rom like lineageOs (buy slab that has official lineageOs support); avoid all google apps and install foss from F-droid (k-9mail, osmand maps, openCamera, Fennec browser, NewPipe youtube...); replace chrome webview with bromite webview; get rid off android keyboard and use eg. anySoftKeyboard; change connectivitycheck portal or disable connectivitycheck altogether.If you really need some playstore app even after thorough reconsideration, get it from auroraStore, check for trackers using classyShark and optionally run it in Shelter(work profile) for more control. if you think you need playstore or google play services, there is still microg, cool project that tries to emulate google's play services functionality for applications that rely on them.

[@GisleVanem00]

KaiOS as it comes with my "Nokia 800 Tough" is a pile of junk IMHO. A royal mess of non-intuitive menus and settings. I miss my older Nokia with Symbian.

[@lyndont]

Please also review the 800 Tough. Thanks!

[@s.p.q.rreborn2080]

You have to have girly hands for that phone instead of keyboard commando hands. Not sure you were wrong Scotty. That new phone looks like a smart phone. Same problem can be tracked with address. Nothings perfect nowadays.

[@ScottiesTech]

Well, I did assume that Google would fully "android-ify" KaiOS, and at least that didn't seem to happen. Plus, since KaiOS apps are basically web pages like Progressive Web Apps, that's also good news in my book. I figure if a year+ has gone by and KaiOS hasn't been "converted" by Google, that's also good news. I won't be using the Google apps very often, except maybe Maps every now and then. As you say, nothing's perfect - but hopefully we can get a bit closer with a good form factor, big buttons, and a not-totally-evil OS + apps.

[@ScottiesTech]

I should add that normally, I don't have THAT much trouble with the 8110's keypad. In the vid, it was extra-difficult becuz I had to hold the phone at an angle to avoid glare from my lights. That said, I do normally have to use my fingernail to tap the buttons, and it's NOT big enough by any stretch. So, I'm very much looking forward to trying out the 2720 Flip. We'll see!

[@s.p.q.rreborn2080]

@@ScottiesTech I'll be curious to see if you like it. I always liked flip phones.

[@dolphin069]

Can you delete apps on this phone? I only want WhatsApp and perhaps maps. Temptation with time wasting with others.

[@ScottiesTech]

You can uninstall WhatsApp and Facebook, but not Twitter, KZbin, Google Maps, Google, Assistant, or any of the 3 included games - which is kind of lame.

[@theresasmuts9896]

Said phoenetically CHAOS?

[@nokomismn9685]

You're so right

[@jimnicosia5934]

Don't buy a phone with this OS. It crashes big time. It's the OS that muggers won't touch.