Non Electric Pellet Rocket Stove REALLY WORKS for Heating Without Electricity Liberator Rocket Stove

The Liberator Rocket Stove heater has been burning on pellets in our basement for a week now. No power no problem. This is our initial pellet fuel review. Up next will be burning cordwood. This is not a sponsored video.
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[@bobbor5883]

You need to hold that propane torch in the same place till the pellets start to burn instead of waving it around

[@michaeljohn8567]

OMG thank you. It was driving me nuts. 😅

[@markjust86]

Yeah and turn the flame up a bit! That was painful to watch!!

[@alycemaloney2982]

Lolz

[@k9cop1614]

You don't know what you don't know

[@funone8716]

@@michaeljohn8567 Me too!

[@cousinrustyyall3071]

I have that stove. The way I found to light it is to take a single charcoal briquette, momentarily dip it in a mason jar of charcoal lighter fluid, put it in the pellet tray below, then dump in the pellets. Lights with a single match.

[@remyllebeau77]

You mean you don't like holding a propane torch for 10 minutes? 😆

[@atomicsmith]

I would also try an electric heat gun. It would also help kick start the draft up the rocket.

[@scott1lori282]

A propane torch can be cranked up much higher than she showed. I get it going in 2 minutes with the same torch. I may try my old method of starting cord wood. It was a metal bin full of Single Toilet paper cardboard rolls. Just fold each one up 3 times. Save up and dip them in melted Crisco once a year. They make prefect slow burn fire starters.

[@atomicsmith]

@@scott1lori282 I would still give the heat gun a try. It’s amazing how fast it works, and it’s nice not having to buy and store so much propane.

[@scott1lori282]

@@atomicsmith I wouldn't have guessed that would work to light pellets. I've never owned a heat gun though. The only problem I see is that I don't want to rely on electric in any way.

[@rogersprague563]

Been using a pellet stove since they came out AKA corn burner and I store my pellets 3 tons out side every winter till its all used up your right you should not let them get wet and a tarp is all I use but yes you can store them out side for the winter use and I have had half a ton left over that I stored in my pole barn and when I used them the next winter Humidity was the biggest killer of pellets from hot days and high humidity.

[@davefletcher2723]

Best use for pellets is cat litter works great

[@blueswan2175]

I would just hold the torch in one spot it will eventually spread to the other pellets or it would seem like thats what it would do

[@charlesvanderkooi5358]

is starter gel available to make lighting faster and easier???

[@LanceLuedtke-q6u]

Turn the torch up

[@geriatricginger]

I see you're in a split-level.. does this heat the entire house? I swapped out a 50kbtu wood stove insert for a 50k btu pellet stove insert. the pellet stove (harmann) would barely heat the room it was in, so the next Fall, I swapped back to the original cord-wood stove insert and sold the Harmann. I'd like to explore a good efficient pellet stove insert to heat my 1900sqft 2 story like my stick burner does, without spending 5-6000$ to do so..

[@adriancojocaru7446]

How much cost this ?

[@tobygathergood4990]

I like pellet stoves and have used them in the past, but I foresee a huge future issue with them. At the time several years ago, when I ordered pellets for a workshop by the metric tonn on a pallet, (about 55 - 18.56kg bags picked up by myself on site), the cost was $104.50 came out to be $1.90 CDN a bag plus 12% tax. Burning all day I would use roughly 2 bags a day. So $3.80 /day. I used up about one ton per month, give or take a couple or four bags that's maybe $115.00 a month. Today however, the cost of pellets has risen to $250 OR MORE a tonn, and the cost is set to go up another $60 or $70 a tonn. One of the local pellet manufacturers shut down production, so sometimes there could be a shortage of pellets in the future. What happens if the cost gets too high for the home owner to bear, or availability drops to 0? Pellets are the only fuel you can burn in those units. Now I have a wood burning furnace (basement) and a wood burning stove (main floor). The cost of the wood is whatever it costs me to go into the bush and get it. Typically $150 - $200 a year for 6-8 cords. That includes truck diesel, saw fuel, plus various odds and sods like chains, files bar oils etc. If the winter isn't too cold, I'll have a cord or two left over for the next winter.. The only problem I'm facing now, is that I'm 70...

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

Yeah, I was wondering about that math too. Also, I don't want to depend on pellets even if they were cheap, like you say, supply can cut off. I wonder if kindling would be feasible instead. Btw, do you happen to know the cost of the stove? I don't see how it's better than a small wood cookstove that you could get used..

[@dz-pg5dy]

A book by steven harris called sunshine to dollars for the days that we get sun to offset the consumption. That being said, one offset usually dont make a dent in ease or cost of operation. Might have to alternate between 3 or 4 systems. Now if we could only get the youngn's to do the leg and back work we'd have it made...

[@svenland6892]

This stove will burn wood as well.

[@scott1lori282]

You can burn wood in these too. You can't burn thick cord wood like a normal stove though. What I used to call kindling is what you want for these stoves. A slash pile I'd have burnt in the past is now a "wood pile". We been using pellets at $5/40lb mostly. One thing I love about this stove is knowing I can walk in the woods and fill a 5gal bucket with deadwood sticks to keep warm another night. World is getting strange & I have Shagbark Hickory trees all around here. Free fuel literally falls from above.

[@ThriftMaven]

My parents are also in their 70s, running 3 sometimes 4 coal and pellet stoves on 3 floors in a very large old farm house. Needless to say, I live here and run the show for them. It's a lot of back breaking work and it takes a lot of time. Maybe you could find someone who would be willing to help you daily with the brunt of the work, for a small fee even. Sending you love, I know aging is definitely a tough time having to depend on someone to give us a hand. Sometimes at 39 I still need a hand myself. I'm looking to install heat pumps here to take some of the burden if I fall ill or something ever happens to me. There's nice tax rebates this up coming year on them and their installation and it seems a viable option for most of the winter nights above -10.

[@nghermit4922]

I put a stovepipe damper in mine, crank it almost fully closed when I leave for work, it’s actually been going now for almost exactly 12 hours and I’m guessing it’s used about 20 pounds, cooktop is 400 and stack temp is 180. House is 74. Could not be happier!

[@TiredOldMann]

In Florida 20 lbs pellets is about $7.00. So $14 a day for heat.

[@nghermit4922]

@@TiredOldMann dang, 40 pound for about 4 dollars here. I did buy by the pallet load though.

[@bandmasterjf]

Did you put the damper on the stove pipe going out? Would regulating the air going in work the same way?

[@nghermit4922]

@@bandmasterjf I actually did it on both, took a little while to get the feel of it, but one intake is fully closed, the other is about 70% closed all the time and I throttle it extra if needed on the exhaust. I’ve got a really strong draft though.

[@nghermit4922]

@@bandmasterjf I think so, but again my draft is super strong. Added benefit to cutting the intake is it pulls more through the pellet hopper so less chance for it to burp smoke in my experience.

[@B11video]

When using your torch, do not let the end glow red hot like that. Turn the gas up so the tip does not heat up.

[@benjohnsen1608]

right? no need to be afraid

[@bewell4743]

I think I learned something, thanks.

[@randallbundy108]

🤣

[@michellemorrison5841]

Yup don't want that tip getting hot enough to blowback seen it happen not pretty...

[@alexchavosaurus9041]

I was wondering why she didn’t turn the gas up after lighting 😅 I don’t believe it woulda taken the same out of time with a lot vs a little

[@cfg7523]

If you want to get it lit faster, hold your torch in one spot, until it lites, then move down the line.

[@Shyted]

It was painful to watch.

[@george1984]

😂

[@Shreddddder]

I felt the same Pain😲

[@leifhietala8074]

For greater efficiency, pipe in air from outside for combustion. The stove is sucking air from inside your home - air you've already warmed up - using that for combustion and that gets thrown out through the chimney. Now you have a low-pressure condition and cold, moist air leaks into your home to replace it. Pipe in combustion air and that problem is sharply reduced and overall efficiency goes way up.

[@ryananthony4840]

What would you use to pipe it in?

[@Titanium369]

@@ryananthony4840 basic aluminum flex pipe is the easiest. If you want something more rigid. You could use galvanized steel round pipe.

[@ryananthony4840]

@@Titanium369 thanks, what's a good diameter?

[@Titanium369]

@@ryananthony4840 same size diameter as your fresh air port on the unit you are running.

[@ryananthony4840]

@@Titanium369 thanks

[@PainterD54]

I heated my home with a gravity fed pellet stove I made for about 10 years and it heated it very well. Our furnace went out and I thought it needed to be replaced and didn't want to buy a new one, so we just used pellets and it worked well. Now since then natural gas price was reasonable, and I got the furnace fixed (it was just a cheap part needed to be replaced) but I kept the pellet stove in cold storage just incase we ever need it again!

[@cocopella]

Do you have plans for the one you made ?

[@PainterD54]

@@cocopella No, I never did. ALot of people asked so I may have to take some photos so I can post them.

[@walkingjudy3067]

As a 30 year pellet stove owner/user I would do the following to make your stove more enjoyable. 1) Place and light regular pellet stove fire starter fuel directly under the grate of pellets. The torch fuel is probably more expensive and takes too long to light. You could place the starter fuel in a raised container to get it up close to the pellets. They also sell a liquid fire gel as a pellet starter that might help you. I prefer the dry parafin wood chips for my starter. 2) Your stove needs a built-in ash tray and drawer installed directly beneath the floor of the fire grate. A hole for the ash to fall into the ash drawer would need to be cut. 3) Add a chimney damper to cut off the cold air drafts. The cold air coming down into the metal firebox will eventually cause some heat loss and even rusting when warm air condenses on the metal.

[@tomasviane3844]

I was going to say the same with the starting process. That seems like a lot of (expensive) propane to be used. Maybe put some little sticks on the bottom and put these on.

[@pokojeb5120]

hey, it's best to use pellets to create a mini burner for a wood fireplace... with a metal tee and appropriate pipe sections for gravitational suction of air without electricity and a suitably large flame... something like in a kerosene lamp... the pipes should heat up quickly enough, be thin, etc. then it may work... the problem is poor combustion of the pellets and spontaneous combustion of the remains... unfortunately, the pellets or burnt like rice fried in a pan... but the rice is fried in the air... :-( this is impossible with gravity pellets

[@SeeTheWholeTruth]

Uhm.. it simply makes more sense to me to stick in small tinder flame material small kindling to start it. Using a torch is a bit overkill. And thankfully it seems designed for just that as well. I can see their usefulness but it is underutilized heat. It would be better to put water radiators than just its exterior. Stored heat extends way beyond simple burning time only. You will end up with overheating, noxious environments, and up and down time constantly not a consistent long term heat solution from a single or double burn, which is possible. It simply requires extending its operative nature. Water is the best other than beeswax for long term heat storage. So the more it keeps up in temperature the more the burn extends energy availability. And that is because you are using that water inside an area that doesnt absorb deep cold. Thus it will create a more sustained input and balance to the interior environment, with less energy input. Surface exchanges dont match stored energy in balancing.

[@fiskfarm]

So few RMH use water storage. I don't know why. My RMH in our greenhouse stores heat in 2500 gallons of Aquaponics water and my RMH in the house stores 160f water in 400 gallons of water. Makes all the difference. We can go 24 hrs without a burn during milder weather and stay toasty in below zero f weather. These massless rocket stoves really miss the mark. I would no more rely on pellets than electric heat. My stoves take full 8" by 30" logs save for our kitchen stove which takes 18" logs. 75 here and no intention of giving up our wood heat. Just the waste slab wood from our sawmill goes a long ways toward keeping us warm.

[@jeffmiller2436]

How do you transfer heat from stove to the water mass storage heater?

[@campbellkennett7984]

Cold outside air for your intake is denser than warm room air and makes for a greater pressure difference between the top and bottom of your chimney which increases the draft. Great video and also lots of useful information in the comments section. Thanks for sharing

[@edspencer7121]

Yes! Fresh air intake otherwise it runs on a diminished return by burning air in the house that's trying to heat up. Another gentleman commented on the use of fresh air flue dampeners to control the rate of burn.

[@unionse7en]

the other huge issue in sucking heated inside air up the chimney and ejecting it outside is it lowers the pressure in the house relative to the outside ...greatly increasing the flow rate into the house via drafts...

[@pokojeb5120]

hey, it's best to use pellets to create a mini burner for a wood fireplace... with a metal tee and appropriate pipe sections for gravitational suction of air without electricity and a suitably large flame... something like in a kerosene lamp... the pipes should heat up quickly enough, be thin, etc. then it may work... the problem is poor combustion of the pellets and spontaneous combustion of the remains... unfortunately, the pellets or burnt like rice fried in a pan... but the rice is fried in the air... :-( this is impossible with gravity pellets

[@rronmar]

Any woodstove should have the combustion air ducted in directly from the outside. This keeps the chimney from drawing heated room air and pumping it outside. Without a direct duct, the chimney draft negatively pressurizes the room/dwelling and that air is replaced thru every air leak in the building around windows, doors, electric and plumbing penetrations and cracks. This usually makes everywhere in the house feel cold except right near the stove. Direct ducted combustion air makes a huge difference in comfort. To improve heating comfort even more, a second duct with a fan/blower, blowing fresh outside air right against the side of the stove or into/between a heat exchanger plate(plate against a side of the stove with an air gap) makes a huge difference. This blower will positively pressurize the building with heated air which will cause the heat to flow out and away from the stove as it pushes the cooler air nearer the walls out thru any places that can leak air. These simple changes turn cold and drafty wood heated dwellings into warm and cozy. It doesn’t even take much of a fan, a 4” computer fan on the end of 4” PVC moves a few hundred CFM and is quiet and takes little power to operate.

[@DrinkingWithJake]

I would say it would light faster if you used the yellow bernzomatic tank. It has MAP gas in it which is meant for brazing which burns much hotter than the blue propane or butane fuel tanks. Hope that helps. I like the charcoal briquette comment though!

[@broniusale5987]

just hold it in one place

[@patezard9168]

Open the valve more on the torch .

[@randyscrafts8575]

I have a pellet stove. I don't like the fans constantly running. A stove like you have may work better for me. I will say this......the pellets will off gas carbon monoxide right in the bag so storage inside a living space I do not recommend. Here's what happened. I was stocking up bags of pellets in the house around the beginning of fall, 14 bags in the house, when I started getting headaches. I had no idea what was causing the headaches except the only thing I changed was those bags of pellets in the house (I normally left them outside on the deck covered with a tarp). Looked it up and the process of squeezing the medium into pellets can make them off gas carbon monoxide. The bags have tiny holes to let that has out. Just sayin.

[@thecowboy537]

Darn I always start my winter here in Northern MN. With 3 pallets of pellets in the house, I never seen any difference. Been doing it now for 9 years

[@mohawksteel2215]

I wonder if you put a little Fat Wood with the bottom pellets for faster ignition on lighting , that may help

[@campbellkennett7984]

Please excuse my ignorance but what is fat wood?

[@jamsax6915]

@@campbellkennett7984 flat wood is used to start a wood fire it is also called kiling

[@ShawnCheriYoung]

Fat Wood is wood that is saturated with pitch...the tree is injured in a way (bugs, lightning, fire, snow) that makes it produce pitch to protect itself...I have harvested 50 foot tall trees that were almost completely Fat Wood... I make my own "matches" by cutting the log into 3 inch lengths, then splitting them into 1/8th inch squares...(if it's really cold, damp wood, or I just want to get it done in a hurry I will use bigger pieces)...I stack my kindling nice and neat, then light a piece of Fat Wood and put it under the kindling... So, what you are saying would make sense; drop a few chips of Fat Wood in first, pour the pellets in on top, then light the chips of fat wood and you're done...you wouldn't have to sit there with a torch for 5 minutes...and you don't have to waste gas by turning your torch up... I like the briquette idea too...just drop in a couple matchlight briquettes before you put the pellets in (for those who don't know what is, or have access to, Fat Wood)...

[@chefboyrdanbh]

Open that torch up and it won't take but a minute!

[@danielhall5364]

Nice stove, but being a rocket stove w/out an outside air intake you'd have to crack a window in an mobile home or in new construction ( the buildings are to tight). I had the Wiseway pellet stove for my off grid cabin and added a hot water loop to the out side of the unit to heat water for radiant heat and dom. hot water.I like this unit looks like you should be able to cook and w/ a bit of additional steel and a high temp fan possiblely convection bake with it. @ $3k+ a bit out of my price range being on a fixed budget.

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

The price is what I was looking for. Not anymore, lol.

[@1956vern]

Hope it works out for you! Had a regular pellet stove but it just didn’t give off the heat I was looking for! Was more like natural gas and two small! Wishing you a wonderful Xmas and a warm winter! Plumb outside air to your pellet burner so it’s not drafting air from everywhere! Good luck!

[@thecalledout7]

I have a 2600 sq ft home with lots of windows and sky lights and it does a good job! Love it! Yours that you made must of not been as big.

[@ShawnCheriYoung]

Most of the comments on here are from people that think this is a pellet stove; this is not a pellet stove, it is a rocket stove that has been modified with a pellet hopper and burn basket to burn pellets...this stove can burn chips, sticks, limbs, wood chunks, corn cobs,...pretty much anything that is burnable and will fit through the feed-tube... This stove will be efficient enough to pass government regulations in a time when electricity, propane, and pellets are readily available...when the economy, government, collapses there will not be anyone coming to your house to fine you for pollution; there's going to be so much smoke in the air, from the burning cities and forests, that no one will even notice the smoke from your chimney... When you can't get propane, or pellets, or electricity this stove will still be an efficient cook-stove/heater...

[@ciretto1106]

Just a friendly note, the torch should be running like it was at the end of the light. The tip of the torch should never turn red. Just need to run it with more gas flow.

[@bk7278]

I made my own pellet stove but it’s about a foot of the ground and hase a large ash bucket built in makes all the difference only having to clean once every week liberator is almost perfect just needs a little tweeking

[@chadmiller8019]

I'm curious above both cord wood and to me feel weird not using a chimney damper. What are the flue temps of this unit?

[@bknesheim]

With this type of burner you can increase the efficiency a lot if you connect outside air to the draft. That will also protect against short incidents of "back kick" that can happen if there are turbulent air. The hight of your chimney protect you pretty well, but it can still happen. Not using heated air for the draft also protect against the effect of outside air getting into connected room when the burner "suck" air out through the draft. Also this is a very nice burner design an I would be itching to place a tank of water on top of that plate. 🙂

[@scottdahl1938]

Just let the itch go and don't scratch like a bug bite. A pot for coffee or tea may be fine. Something you wouldn't worry about if it goes dry. For the temps you're working with a small pan would go dry quickly. Boiling occurs at 212 F while this can go upwards of 400F. I trust the reason for the tank would be for humidity purposes. For the purpose of replacing a hot water heater a sealed tank could be constructed like a still. Still the condensing coil would have to be larger than that which you might use for moonshine. It might be fun to take a washtub bath like they did in my grandma's time. In the living room instead of her enclosed back porch though? Each to their own I guess. Now this isn't something that is turned off by a thermostat when the water temp gets high enough. I might not even enclose the system at all. Water heaters fail catastrophically with the worse case being a new skylight originating from the heater and/or it's components being launched into the stratosphere through the roof providing it didn't decimate the entire house. Remember what she said about water? Cast Iron and steel may crack if cold water is dumped onto them. And from that comes what I call a potentially existential moment. You will know you are alive because of the pain. What quality of life you will have after that could be telling. If it works don't fix it unless you are an engineer. Or as they say in the contracting business: When in doubt do less. There's a reason she suggested sand and a CO2 extinguisher. You don't want somebody that can't set a VCR or DVR making decisions they don't have the skill set for. As for connecting to the outside air: Now that makes good sense. I think you got something there. If the house was tight it would let in more air. If it wasn't it would suck less cold air (negative air pressure) from the outside. And any back kick as you put it wouldn't blow smoke and carbon monoxide back into the house. I got a feeling we'll get some other people weighing in on this one because obviously as we got some brains, nobody has the market cornered on intelligence. And for this I'm willing to learn.

[@bknesheim]

@@scottdahl1938 " I trust the reason for the tank would be for humidity purposes." The main reason would be for hot water and heat storage. A 30-40 gallon tank would store a lot heat that would be released when the burner is turned of. It will also even out the heat when the burner is used. A source for water so the air do not get to dry is an added bonus. The tank would have to be open to air since you do no want a steam pressure vessel on the top of your indoor burner. 🙂

[@scottdahl1938]

@@bknesheim I think I saw a variation of what you might have in mind where somebody wrapped copper around the chimney and let rising water flow to another tank as it was replaced by cooler water at the bottom. The guy fed the hot water in turn to a living quarters he had. This set up is different in that the chimney doesn't have the higher temps. Tell ya what. There's a TouTube channel called "Mylittlehomestead" that built a "Dragon rocketstove. They did it with bio mass about five years ago. Just type in the channel and include "Dragon rocket stove". The structure of there stove is about the same except the pipe layout is different. But they made theirs from scratch. Looks Pretty and works great. Then there's another channel called "Keeping It Dutch". Then type in "Masonry Heater" From a video dated three months ago, it's based on a similar system as the rocket heaters. It burns hotter, cleaner and uses 2/3 less wood as a wood stove. With this he has a manufacture actually installing their product. And with that manufacturer comes a website with other models and prices to go with the lights and bells. I think this is available as a DIY project too. Let me know your opinion. Options are a good thing.

[@bknesheim]

@@scottdahl1938 Your recommendation are old news. 🙂 The copper around the chimney have problems since then you have a pressure vessel. You also loose the heat storage. A rocket stove mass heater is great when you have the space, but the only efficient way to build one into your house is when you build the house. "Tiled Stove" or "Masonry heater" do much of what a mass heater do, but can easier be retrofitted to your house. The main problem there is the cost of the stove. They are very efficient, but there are not really any versions that can do low effect.

[@scottdahl1938]

@@bknesheim Wondering if the the vessel as you were proposing may need some support. Maybe build a stand of right angle steel that the stove will slide under. They sell 50 gallon drums for cheap. Start with 30 gallon fill to start. Be wary of excessive humidity. I know of a guy that had a humidifier under his desk that turned his wall into a Jackson Pollak gallery in black. Maybe the heat from below may disperse it better.

[@campbellkennett7984]

A little bit of kerosene is always a good safe way to assist starting any fire. Pour the kero on BEFORE lighting with a flame, NEVER AFTER it is lit.

[@stewiepid4385]

Good grief woman!!! So, how many people did you fight in the bar last weekend?!! I bet that is NOT HPV gizzzzuuurl ..... so ..... what's her name?

[@kathrynwood1786]

Good morning why couldn't you put a fire starter in that or even underneath seems like a lot of gas to start a fire?

[@archerash6695]

15$ a bag where I live and rhey are shit pellets. I just put in a wood stove today. Sick of these shit prices

[@remyllebeau77]

Isn't that a problem to source wood pellets and propane if society collapses? Also shouldn't you pair up or surround the stove with some sort of mass to hold the heat in the house for longer?

[@scott1lori282]

Burns wood too.

[@johnfitzgerald1192]

Esther - Vitamin C would help and strengthen your immune system. Don't use ascorbic it's the most inefficient type of Vitamin C to consume. For it does little to nothing and desecrated mostly in the urine.

[@charlottecannon314]

You are suppose to do the initial first burn off outdoors for two hours. After, let it cool down all the way. Then install it indoors. The smoke fumes are toxic.

[@kimnielsenthewordyvikingett159]

Gosh baby girl what happened to your extremely cute little bottom lip???😘💋💋

[@tedhart4468]

Pine wood and fur is not a good wood to burn sure it gets hot but creates creosote much greater and increases Your chimney cleaning times per year

[@Traumatree]

I'm sorry, but you need to learn how to ignite pellets and this is not how to do it.

[@captainjayc9217]

I am wondering if the pellets will ignite faster if you let the plumber torch to stay in one spot instead of moving left and right across multiple pellets. Then you can move from one pellet to the next after the first pellet has ignited.

[@nghermit4922]

MAP gas is the ticket, mine lights in about 30 seconds.

[@evandg13ify]

Maybe instead of a torch you could use a small starter brick?

[@kathymarsden5757]

a very interesting process to watch. Thank you for sharing !

[@johnwashingtoncountyor4954]

We currently heat with a pellet stove, which has been a transition for us. We previously heated with a woodstove for thirty plus years. Loved the woodstove because we could/did utilize the top surface for cooking and would also set up drying racks of wet things to dry nearby. Thanks for the video.

[@sixpackbinky]

This also burns wood

[@gregdell7528]

Mapp gas torch with a Bernzomatic torch would lite it much faster than the propane torch you have. Also the higher grade pellets a good bit easier. Great video!

[@kdb97tj]

Need to put outside air intake on that.

[@CamppattonFamilyCompound]

Thanks for sharing

[@jimmieburleigh9549]

Couldn't you use some kindling and lighter pine/fat wood under the basket?

[@cavelvlan25]

It needs a shortcut for the venting to help get that heat going. Say in phases.heat the part that pulls easy to heat the rest then open it up to the rest of the furnace.

[@putheflamesoutyahoo1503]

Walker stoves sold a riser/burn chamber on ebay yrs ago. There are many that say never use metal. I know if you do never use wet wood even if it is with dry wood.

[@christopherswainson371]

Great video, thank you. Would be concerned about he pellet hopper going up - a fire bread feed would be safer.............best wishes, Adam

[@claesmansson9070]

Hov about opening for that torch ?

[@nathantonning]

10:17 Ah real life; is it not wonderful? :D Love the review and demonstration of the stove. Keep up the good work.

[@Yiokalai]

The cost of the pellet, here in Greece is over 450 USD per ton. So it is already very expensive...

[@airman6822]

I have 2 pellet stoves in my house and love them. Compared to regular wood, waaaay cleaner and easier to manage. The downside is you have to buy the pellets and prices have gone up a lot lately. We like it because it's the fire heat everyone loves without the mess, and you turn it on and leave it for hours even days between cleanings. I'm thinking of building one of these, like the no power thing.

[@sixpackbinky]

This one also burns wood

[@cosmiccharlie8294]

Turn up the gas on the torch!

[@ANGRY_AMERICAN]

I had an American Harvester stove by US Stove company yes you need 120 to run it but the cool thing was i went to local farmer and bought a bunch of feed corn for the majority of my fuel. Corn needs to run hot kind of like coal, So a 70/30 corn/wood pellet would allow me to turn it down to 3 of 10 for the feed rate control, where 100% corn required level 5 feed rate to keep hot enough. Because i was renting the landlord was supervising the install and the window pass through that i made out of wood using a wall adapter and packed with fireproof insulation. Once the stove was running at temp less then 5 min from lighting all you can smell outside is Popcorn LOL.

[@keithnoneya]

Thanks for the great information. I was really shocked at how long it takes to light the stove and what would you do if you didn't have a propane torch to light it? I like that it doesn't use electricity to use it. One thing I thought was a big waste was all the burn heat going outside. I thought if it could be run though a sand battery it would be more efficient, kind of like a mass rocket stove, but smaller. The one big factor was the cost of the pellets. I have a friend in Arizona and he said to heat his home it would cost him over $200.00 a month to do it. The one stove I wish was made would be a automatic home furnace run on waste oil that doesn't require an air compressor to run it. Anyways thanks for sharing your stove and thoughts with us. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya

[@putheflamesoutyahoo1503]

I told a weld shop about a mass heater yrs ago. The guy said that name of company is owned by Mercedes. It was a box the size on a endtable. The stack went sideways,,,ie: mass heater designed. Soo much out there we cant have. All about control of masses. Elon Musk has a 15,000 house now. LOL, never be allowed and will be scooped up happilly by rich that are tired of FORCED inefficiency if they allow it. Elon needs a new city with new infrastructure....like The Venus Project...first few miles of road leaving the city charges the cars

[@got2kittys]

Would it be a big issue to design a unit that uses wood chips from an ordinary wood chipper? It seems more efficient, due to the minimal processing needed. Helpful tip: before you torch the pellets, allow your propane "lighter" to blow up the chimney. You'll start a draft in a minute, or 3. Then light your fuel. Works on woodstoves, chimneys, anything.

[@CrankAndCraft]

Does the feed tube go all the way straight down to the "grate"? Im wondering if it is possible for the fire to go up the feed tube? Im trying to build a pellet rocket stove water heater so any help would be great.

[@saccaed]

Might try soaking some of the pellets in Isopropyl Alcohol for fire starting. Been burning pellets for quite a while in stoves/firepits/smokers. A container half full of pellets soaked isopropyl that initially covers the pellets that then is turned a few times over the next day ends up as great fire starter. The pellets swell with isopropyl, light instantly and burn for minutes which is often plenty enough to start any fire. Also so far has been one of the cheaper fire starters I've come across that is instant on.

[@merdoc81]

You're supposed to connect the air intake to outside air

[@tkarlmann]

I would never buy a stove that only starts going with a blowtorch + 5-or-so minutes! They need a re-design of that portion of it. Golly Gee, Batman, how did the 'Indians' EVER get their fires going without $$Expensive$$ blowtorches? AND they didn't have those expensive pellets either! I cannot watch any more of this video (I'm at 13:18). I've seen real rocket stoves, where they start almost instantly, with small pieces of actual WOOD; and there was literally nothing coming out of the chimney but warm air and water vapor. They had their chimney running through a 'couch' they made from heatproof rock-hard stuff. The 'Chimney' also travelled horizontally a lot because the wood was totally combusted when inside the double-walled 55-gallon drum they used. Back to the drawing board!

[@matticerael5202]

Another lighting option is to cut a soup can to 2-3 inches, fill it with an inch of alcohol, place it under the pellets basket, and light it.

[@unionse7en]

COnsider plumbing outside air into the intakes that are currently removing warm air from your living space and sending it up the chimney. Also that air going into the intakes has to come from somewhere, so there is a negative pressure in the house that is drawing cold outside air into the living space. For a while now even regular fireplaces have a duct to supply outside air for combustion. It will save you fuel.

[@mayorrick]

Do you have any stats for us? I was just wondering how much you pay for a bag and how big the bag is and how many bags you go through in a week? This looks like a lot less work than my Firebox add on to my furnace ductwork. I burn chunk wood from wherever I can get it cheap and have to fill the box 4 to 6 times a day, depending upon what the outside temp is. I can heat my garage and the 2200 square living space, but it is round the clock work to keep it going.

[@billholder253]

might want to watch "Liberator ROCKET Heater -Pellets w/ NO ELECTRICITY !!!" here on KZbin.. Big help there...

[@olbuddyrow]

That took forever to start, I’d use some kind of starter, like match light charcoal or something

[@mechniack]

You always has combustion air from the outside not from the house

[@dandahermitseals5582]

Sounds like a potential house fire. At $6 a day is at least $180 a month. Not a huge difference. Is interesting but I'm not comfortable with a non controllable super heat devise in my home. Initial cash outlay is probably high unless there are plans to build it. I'm an 80 year old experienced In all types of fabrication. Off grid since 69 WAAAAY off grid. I don't favor a heating unit I have to go to town for fuel instead of my wood lot. Total solar wind wood heat n cooking. Grow and raise most all needs. Would need some sound description of of fab and fueling. Dandahermit😮

[@waynemoses3956]

Turn the torch up.

[@pakleader4]

Ever thought of using an ESBIT TABLET it should provide a constant flame to ignite the pellets. I used them in my mini rocket stove and paint can heater I built??? SEMPER FI

[@DaveStarr100.3]

Sorry, but I have to comment about the blow torch... You could have turned it up WAY higher and gotten that started much quicker... 🤷‍♂️

[@sambarton202]

Full name of stove and manufacturer PLEASE! Going to be buying country home soon. Tyvm, love it! Idea for air inlets would be slip in pipe caps or 2 pcs metal with stove door gasket, fastened in place w bungee staps, cold only application of course

[@BeyondBiochar]

Stove seems great, but youll need to quite your job to find the time to start it your way CMON, were going to Mars soon, find one of the infinate number of ways to light it and walk away, LIFES TOO SHORT. I embarassed you showed thats what you do to light it

[@emanonymous]

awesome i live a half hour away from a pellet manufacturer so this is a cheap option for me thanks

[@WhatDadIsUpTo]

I made a RMH and did not like it, so I tore it out and replaced it with a home-built LP gas heater. Why? It worked TOO good. I live in North Texas and we have only two seasons, namely "hot" and "not" and the weather can change day to day. The RMH takes about 3 days burning 6 to 8 hours a day to heat the mass and, subsequently, about that same amount of time to cool it down. You need the cold weather to last several days or you wind up running your air conditioner in Winter, because you had a day or two of Indian Summer.

[@CanadianStadium]

Draw the cold air from the outside of the house and you won't have a problem with air being sucked out through the stove, It's designed to do so

[@Yhrim70]

My $2 dollars... _(2 cents adjusted for inflation)_ - A Non-Electric Stove is Certainly an ESSENTIAL NECESSITY, especially when the power goes down... which is only going to get worse in the time ahead. So whatever kind of non-electric stove that a person can make work for them, is a Must to have. With that said, the Liberator design is a good concept prototype. But for the near $3000 price tag _(Gen 2 with Pellet hopper)_ the company certainly needs to make some upgrades for selling it as a "finished" stove. *Such as having steel spring tension "sliding" covers to close off the air vents so you don't lose warm air from the house drafting up and out the chimney when the stove is not in use, instead of having to improvise something like the plastic bag. *Also a better fitting door for the grate, and adding a wood stove "spring" style handle to it so as not to get burned. **And it certainly needs a basic temp gauge _(to see what burn temp its running at)_ and a damper to give the ability to raise or lower the burn temperature. All or nothing is not very feasible no matter the size of building you are heating, due to outside temperature changes. Colder temps needs more heat to keep the building warm, and warmer outdoor temps means you have to turn the stove down or it will run you out of the house. I Do Like that the Liberator will burn other wood besides Just Pellets. The Wiseway stove is a pellet stove only, which means I have to store up pellets on hand for when the time comes that I can't get them. I also like that the Liberator can be used to cook on. I have a Wiseway non-electric pellet stove in my house for 2 years, and my Dad has had one for 3 years now. And in my opinion it also should not have been sold as a "finished" stove either. As it too was "rough around the edges" and needs some changes and upgrades. I like the pellet hopper design of the Liberator better than the Wiseway. As it's kind of hard to haul up a 40lb bag of pellets to the top of the stove _(as it's fairly tall)_ and dump them into the narrow hopper on the back side of the Wiseway without spilling them all over the place. This is made worse if the stove is next to a wall, as it makes even less space. But the Wiseway damper, burn basket, secondary burn plate, and ash pan is a better design than the Liberator. And the Wiseway was less than half the $ too. If I built my own stove, I would likely go along the lines of the LIberator hopper and cook top with the chimney at the very back of the stove. But with a similar burnbasket, secondary burn plate, and ash pan design of the wiseway. As well as an even better damper design _(than the Wiseway)_ and some other alterations and upgrades. If I had a plasma cutter 3 years ago before I bought a Wiseway pellet stove, i might have built my own stove. I have built plenty of things, including some large projects, with just an angle grinder in the past before I finally bought a plasma cutter about 6 months ago. But an angle grinder takes a lot more time, difficulty in some cases _(like cutting circles/holes)_ and expense with the cost of cutting disks now days. And I've had a number of disks explode on me too. Even had a sanding flap disc that suddenly blew apart not long ago, which I never expected that one. Have gotten some fairly bad cuts, burns, and pain from them over the years. Plasma can't do everything, but it certainly far reduces the use of an angle grinder. This is all beside the point, but maybe an idea for those looking for a pellet/rocket stove to think about. **EDIT: I will add that one of the reasons we moved from a regular wood stove to a pellet stove was because in 2019 I had two major injuries about 6 months apart that prevented me from being able to go and cut firewood for 2 years, even now still have some issues. We tried to buy firewood one winter, but no matter who we got it from it was never seasoned, and was even really wet one time. I don't like a pellet only stove for the sole reason of realizing that soon we won't be able to just go out and buy more pellets. I do have two regular wood stoves still stored in my barn that I need to clean back up and repair, or build a better one, so that I can reinstall them when the time comes.

[@garyhennessey3621]

Stove needs redesign to accommodate an igniter. Takes way to long to ignite pellets. I have a harman P61A with an igniter. Used pellets on a gas grill for smoking designed for it. Takes quite some time with a blow torch to ignite.

[@leefury7]

Get a non-electric fan to sit on top of your stove. And burning pine? OMG! The creosote build-up in your chimney must be horrendous. Danger Will Robenson.

[@frederickshipp8013]

Oct.19th 2023 I helped a friend put one in thinking he was going to burn wood in it.Ive been heating with wood for over 40 years and it ain't going to get the job done. I wanted to put his other stove back in, but no,he's going to make it work. There ain't no way.

[@wthigo77]

Turn that torch up. You can light those pellets in a matter of seconds. Your flame is way to small. And you are wrecking your torch. Spend $50 and get the nice burnsomatic they are nice bigger flame and easier to use. No gas comes out until you pull the trigger.

[@hapaboy0808]

Great video. I think these stoves are incredibly efficient and you get a ton of heat for the amount of pellets you burn. I would say the only downside is that they aren't exactly easy on the eyes from an interior appliance standpoint, but extremely practical.

[@95poo40sx]

I'm just here to comment about the bernzomatic, notice the tip glowing. Flames too low. The tip should never glow red like that. No bueno for the tip.

[@boosted.]

You would think there would be caps for the two Air intakes or damper valves,something, you’re not going to be able to put a plastic bag on there until the stove is completely cold. It would also look nicer than a plastic bag.

[@mikeschultz8156]

You should go the the KZbin channel Outdoor with the Morgan’s they sell fire starter it’s a wax coated wood clips made for starting wood stoves and camp fires you could a small hand full under pellets and you would be done .. check them out!!

[@BigBoyTank]

Why not just add a small bbq burner on the bottom to light it? 🤷‍♂️ seems a waist of time standing there all that time when you could just turn a knob for 30secs and let it burn lol😂

[@jackhappney9190]

Add a damper to exhaust pipe... It will work like a throttle.... Open faster... Close slower

[@michellemorrison5841]

We got to have faster more efficient ways of lighting the pellets, what if all a person has is paper and a lighter, so would be nice to see other videos of you guys trying different methods to light the fire, who knows maybe you all will find a better more efficient way in the process, me I make homemade fire starters with cardboard egg cartons, candle wax and saw dust or chainsaw chippings, put the wax into a pan that you don't care about melt it then add saw dust or chippings to the liquid wax, then stir and add more dust until it seems thick kinda like bread doe, then scoop with a spoon and fill each pocket in egg cartons, set off to the side to cool and harden, after about 30mins to an hour you should be able to use, they simply break off like a KitKat bar and you can choose to use 1, 2, or even 3 in row to get things cooking fast and reliably, I've started seasoned wet wood with these so they work great and last about 5 or 10mins themselves...

[@Ang.0910]

How does it do getting heat around corners and into bedrooms? I have a standard one story ranch style house in the suburban neighborhood, 1450 sq ft, with living room on one side and bedrooms down sides of hall. I was looking into a legal indoor rocket stove to replace my broken 33 yo Whitfield pellet stove. This might be it if it can heat bedrooms too, even if I need a fan or too.

[@NordicDan]

10:25 BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA married life in a nutshell How long of a steady burn do you get from a 40lb bag of pellets?

[@johnlogan4053]

Goodluck with your new libarator rocket stove. You would get a better draft with a fresh air intake. And close off the other inlet with a plate . I would add a damper to the fresh air intake,to control incoming draft. Also I would install a damper on the exhaust flue. To bank down the draft. Can you please tell me the size of the cooktop.thanks be safe.

[@pokojeb5120]

it's best to use pellets to create a mini burner for a wood fireplace... with a metal tee and appropriate pipe sections for gravitational suction of air without electricity and a suitably large flame... something like in a kerosene lamp... the pipes should heat up quickly enough, be thin, etc. then it may work... the problem is poor combustion of the pellets and spontaneous combustion of the remains... unfortunately, the pellets or burnt like rice fried in a pan... but the rice is fried in the air... :-( this is impossible with gravity pellets

[@theusconstitution1776]

The torch has the ability to light those pellets in a much smaller time just open the valve all the way up and you’ll get some heat❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥🇺🇸

[@garyhennessey3621]

How man bags of pellets for a typical winter in N.H. for a typical 20 degree day?

[@timriv]

Who gave you the split lip and black eye?(left) Abusive husband?

[@evanchristensen7043]

Watching Mrs. DirtpatchHaven justify leaving the butane torch regulator so low and taking so long to start these pellets is like watching paint dry. I am sure that this is a process, but I can’t believe that turning the regulator up on the torch a little higher wouldn’t speed this process up.

[@judymichaud4081]

You say you burn pine or fur. Never heard of anyone using fur or pine. It's dangerous burning soft woods you get massive creosol build up with them🤔

[@samuelnason8585]

TO ME its just a pain cleaning all the time, should have a bigger cleanout below the burn chamber, like the regular pellet stove has.