Nord stream Sabotage revelations : Who’s really behind Russian gas pipeline explosions? • FRANCE 24

Who did sabotage the Nord Stream pipelines?
Without much proof to go on, pundits could only root for the version that would suit their cause. German investigators reveal they found traces of explosives aboard a yacht that may have carried the charge that last September knocked out the undersea conduit that supplies Russian gas to Europe via the Baltic Sea.
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[@syndicat4847]

Yeah, it’s a real whodunnit. Couldn’t be the country that said they would stop Nordstream by any means necessary and after it was blown up, claimed that this just coincidently created a great economic opportunity to sell EU their own natural gas.

[@Sokrabiades]

Exactly. They spit in Germany's face and dare them to say anything.

[@futuretimetraveller8677]

nope thats makes too much sense

[@72seeker72]

So....whodunnit?

[@syndicat4847]

@@72seeker72 it rhymes with you-ess-eh

[@BlueSky-hi2ib]

Well said!

[@Catman0166]

I am waiting on the true revelation. How the pipe line committed suicide.

[@floydblandston108]

😄😆🤣😂

[@yinli757]

Our government loves you! 😅😊

[@Liboch]

Yup, no foul play. Case closed.

[@Sokrabiades]

I heard that the pipeline had declared loyalty to isis right before blowing itself up.

[@user-xd4rs6vr4n]

it was very depressed

[@user-st3im5ge7f]

Someone did something, everyone knows but nobody dares to say. We all know someone very powerful.

[@sincity7890]

u think that Jews did it ?

[@user-st3im5ge7f]

@@sincity7890 what you think is your own business.

[@gunterra1]

Question still is, who hired those people to do the job ?

[@susan638]

FRANCE 24 English sounds kind of like CNN when it comes to viewpoints surrounding who blew up the Nordstream pipeline.

[@nuggetella]

​@@user-st3im5ge7f Exactly... 👉😷💉

[@user-zz2of4zk6b]

The crime benefits: Poland, USA, Norway, Ukraine

[@zolandia5262]

As well as Russia. Could have been any of these countries. We'll just have to await some definitive evidence

[@nenasiek]

I would be very surprised if Norway had anything to do with it..

[@GonzoTehGreat]

How does it benefit these 4 countries?

[@fajarliong]

The bombs exploded in "rule based order"

[@zolandia5262]

@@fajarliong Actually it exploded in the middle of a war

[@ChopinLu]

It is very clear to me who did it and the media just wants to deny it.

[@andyhurrell]

Yes, I agree. I think it was Elon Musk.

[@CoachMischa]

Voldemort, everybody knows it

[@The_Stef]

Yeah to me it's also really clear who did it and the media just wants to deny it, it was Lichtenstein

[@daviddunne4737]

Trump skiving oops diving team .

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Who was it and how is it clear to you?

[@einroboter1301]

Chinese special force with their balloon flied to Europe and dived to the pipeline and exploded them.

[@Luke.Skywodka]

This is so good, thx!

[@mmc4692]

😂😂😂 exactly.. because they are afraid to call out the United States 🇺🇸 that they blew up those pipes 😂

[@larsrons7937]

Hey, that was my birthday balloon!

[@appledaddy4139]

Ha, Yes! It's a convincing investigation result! Very professional, clear, and close to reality, which is almost undeniable.

[@susan638]

😆🎈🤣

[@freedomm]

Thank God for Seymour Hersh! And to hear far lesser journalists on this panel try to smear him as untrustworthy is like lying in an alternate reality.

[@Horatio-Nelson]

@freedomm: Precisely! The "journalists" featured here in this hot air talkshow are indeed of an inferior quality. Specifically the two "journalists" from the so-called "Federal Republic". By definition they are both heavily brain massaged, extremely biased and typically severely dependant upon US "handouts".

[@martinparidon9056]

According to public TV in Germany, he is a conspiracy theorist. To this day, this matter is not discussed. As of now, they are claiming it was Ukrainian citizens and... of course... possibly Russians as well :D

[@freedomm]

@@martinparidon9056 Imagine calling a Pulitzer winner a conspiracy theorist.

[@stevealexander8010]

He won a Pulitzer decades ago, and his recent comments and book with total lack of evidence suggest he is just conspiracy nutter trying to regain lost fame.

[@nukiolbartes6279]

Did they actually manage for 44 minutes not mentioning Seymour Hersh even once? or did i miss something here?

[@dianas2754]

They mentioned him a few times.

[@nenadmitrovic3469]

​@@dianas2754was forced mention becuse of french guy, while others where like yes, but no

[@eberg21955]

Hersh has been a nut case for the last few years, he comes up with lots of conspiracy's.

[@larsrons7937]

Hersch is someone they don't want to See More of 😅

[@wolfbirk8295]

@@eberg21955 nonsense....Western Disinformation. Hello Colin Powell.....

[@FadedResolutions]

Its like... everyone knows America did it but don't want to admit it on the air... and this is coming from an American. I think its obvious we did it.

[@erinh9267]

The Americans didn't do this

[@FadedResolutions]

@@erinh9267 Yes we did.

[@_method_5877]

​@@erinh9267 The US government did blow up that pipeline

[@yetivanmarshall1473]

Biden said it would be destroyed.

[@socomxx]

That doesn't 100% make it true, some dude could've heard that speech and is just trying to cause tension.

[@lampetere3242]

After reading most of the comments here, I'm glad that the majority of people still have the basic common senses!

[@notheotherklaus]

Dear people. How did the five divers place the c4 on the pipe at 80 meters depth at two different locations from a yacht rented in Rostock? Be real now

[@tonykalf5946]

The exposed pipeline was at a depth of 16-18 meters. The pipeline itself has a diameter of 46 Inch (1153 mm = 1.153 meter ) So, easy to blow up.

[@jivkotodorov84]

@@tonykalf5946 - nope - its on 80 diving meters

[@davidlai399]

Yep. A 5 minute dive at 200m requires 4 hours of decompression.

[@MuantanamoMobile]

@@tonykalf5946 lol. Says the KZbin comment expert on advanced naval military operations.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

Very convenient that, according to Putin, one pipe belonging to Nord Stream 2 (both Nord Stream 1 and 2 consist of twin pipes) can still be operational. Following a period of repair.

[@vish_globalist]

Ha ha. What an unbelievable story. What was the amount of explosive that was used? How many places were the explosives placed in? How did they know the exact location of the pipes? The French & german official media which practically ignored Sy Hersh's report is buying this story without any questions. Then you talk about independent media!

[@bryce13950]

You know metal detectors exist right?

[@Jensth]

Whoever did it, they were clearly assisted by some spec.ops experts from some intelligence unit. My bet would be either US or Uk were involved in collab with Polish and Ukrainians.

[@fajarliong]

This is complete freedom, definitely rule based media 😀😄😁

[@trogdortpennypacker6160]

@@bryce13950 Swimming around at ultra low depths for 100 sq km with a metal detector? "Coin, coke can, empty tin of soup, oh got it cement covered pipeline. It's 2050 already? Time moves so quickly when you are having fun."

[@naalsocomment9449]

Hersh was completely ignored until his report was officially brought to attention in UN Security Council. Just days before this council an update was sent to UN by the investigating countries saying 'investigation ongoing, we don't know anything new yet' Now NYT and German media both publish details at the same time, each having different sources but saying the same. Details that are not classified anymore but are publicly discussed and commented by officials. Details not even the German government was allowed to see.

[@partofme100]

(Both Swedish and Danish authorities investigated the four holes punctured in the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines from underwater attacks) WHY ARE THEY KEEPING THEIR FINDINGS SO SECRET, if there is nothing to hide ??

[@yinli757]

They found out their bosses did it, so have to keep their findings secret in order to keep their paychecks coming!😢

[@fajarliong]

They are implementing "rule based order"

[@meisievannancy]

They must fear a country that dominates Europe

[@browngreen933]

Hopefully that info will come out now

[@waynegore5291]

Because they are very busy enjoying the holes. LOL.

[@waynegore5291]

The hard fact is It's USA.

[@erinh9267]

The Americans don't tax their oil companies much.

[@jarnomikkola8438]

It was the US of A.

[@TheSiDon]

everyone knows it.... no one will say it..... apart from u n me n few others :)

[@blairrobert3438]

no it was the SBS from the UK. On the orders of the Yanks and good on them for doing it.

[@tonykalf5946]

You know the game Cluedo? 🤣

[@tonykalf5946]

Jeltsin, Gorbatsjov, Brezjnev, Stalin, Lenin or Ras Putin?

[@cosimocub]

@@blairrobert3438 forever subservient to America

[@mhleuro8464]

It’s amazing just how low a bar of proof that some allow for their chosen position while maintaining the highest for those of opponents. Call out these bad faith actors to their face. It’s all greyzone now.

[@AizakkuZ]

Facts

[@jessfulbright9015]

@29:45 "Personal initiative by a small group" There you go, hit the nail on the head. A small group consisting of Biden, Nuland, Blinken and Sullivan.

[@Moosemoose1]

CIA operations and US special forces also act in small groups, probably on a personal initiative of Biden and Nuland

[@minindusudaraka1415]

A Yacht and a Mini Van?? Next time they might say the tooth fairy did it 😂

[@appledaddy4139]

It's so funny to see several people talking and 'trying' to make out something when they all know what's really happened. All are actors and deserve Oscar!

[@Eyeofthestorm812]

Really bad actors though. In the tradition of tragedy

[@norman_5623]

They were in the class play at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies.

[@jacklam9843]

except the person in the studio; he is more creditable. And they still talking about false flag operation - what a joke.

[@susan638]

🎈🎈 maybe the spy balloons know what really happened

[@aqibejaz7253]

@@Eyeofthestorm812 Tragedy? I thought this was a comedy show.

[@auweia5024]

When I first heard Western Politicians and Media said it was The Russian, I know it was the West.

[@niburu1508]

AubWeia - and since Biden was filmed smirking about closing it down the same way he was bragging about getting a Ukrainian sacked for investigating the firm who was paying Hunter Biden for being on their Board.This is now being claimed the he was sacked for not investigating.

[@evraldiyadin1505]

So obvious

[@VanishMeantime]

Yup.

[@amrizjantan9462]

"to keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down,"

[@VanishMeantime]

Hasn't that been the playback since after WW2?

[@sexynelson100]

The guy in the studio was the only one making any sense out of all this.. and calling out the obvious

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Kuzmanovich was the only one making interesting points, but he offered no evidence for any of his speculations. Meanwhile, Holdsworth and Berzina had nothing useful to say. This should've been an interview with Georg Heil, instead of a debate.

[@futuretimetraveller8677]

@@GonzoTehGreat it obvious just see who has benefited most then check and see who threatened to blow up the pipeline thats your culprit

[@gemmadavies2922]

Why would Sweden have felt this information was too sensitive to share with Germany straight away?

[@aqibejaz7253]

Well isn't it obvious. Those two Ukrainain nationals would then have been furious at Sweden. And Sweden didn't want to jeopardize its national security by inviting the wrath of those two Ukrainians.

[@user-ie2bx2dd7e]

"Who is behind"? You will never know, because you all knew exactly who is behind since the beginning.

[@wanderingfido]

What is informative, however, is which news agencies are corruptible.

[@evraldiyadin1505]

Starts with U end with A

[@hellogoodnite8447]

@@evraldiyadin1505Uganda?

[@robertmiriri970]

Now we know what Scholtz was doing in Washington. I can imagine how much information he has on this

[@echongkan01]

exactly all these visits are to plan and leave ni paper trails.

[@mattedaking6384]

Its not a mystery, we all know who did it.

[@koosvanpetten5567]

Yes, the Americans. You cannot trust them.

[@you_can_change_alias]

Yes, it was Aquaman.

[@mattedaking6384]

@@you_can_change_alias in US suit

[@artn2950]

????

[@mattchew5965]

Nothing is 'officially' true until Hollywood makes a B rated movie out of it. Only time will tell.

[@Earth098]

It's so ironical that they don't even want to consider the involvement of the US, even despite the fact that they have all the motives and access the that sea. Didn't thought France 24 can be this cheap.

[@freeforester1717]

Really? The EU elites aren’t going to have to pay for the gas out of their pockets, it’s the little people who are being played here, by their own governments. Look at the track record of who does what in terms of controlling energy supplies, I suggest you read ‘A Century of War’ by F William Engdahl for a review of what has gone before, and the lengths some imperialist powers have gone to in order to keep Germany down in terms of economic and industrial strength. Control of Russian energy fields (across 11 time zones) is the prize, Ukrainian sovereignty and self determination is only a stepping stone toward this end.

[@susan638]

I bet Kristine Berzina would fit in nicely at CNN.

[@mildredmansfield8188]

The country with the capacity did it....only one had the capacity...USA.

[@bcanuck]

There are a number of countries with "the capacity".

[@dermaniac5205]

Only the USA has access to a boat, scuba equipment, and C4? Other countries don't have that? I think you are underestimating.. well.. everyone except the USA.

[@beniceandhappy]

Norway was involved.

[@TheDkeeler]

You don't know.

[@DiviAugusti]

@@TheDkeeler You’re responding to a 4 month old troll account. You’ll see them bombarding these comment sections trying to keep the “USA/UK/Norway did it” narrative alive. Just be patient and let the German law enforcement and media collect all the facts.

[@krisl9717]

I agree, Russia was involved

[@deanreid1790]

Russia would have just turn off that pipe line.

[@CoachMischa]

Not if they wanted to blame someone else. That's exactly what's the use of a False Flag op

[@edwardvalivonis23]

Russia did it

[@imimpo9316]

@@CoachMischa why destroy the whole thing then😂 They could have just continue to "repair" it for as long as they wanted

[@wamingo]

@@imimpo9316 That would make Gazprom look incompetent.. or untrustworthy.

[@erinh9267]

@@imimpo9316 only 75% of pipes are destroyed. The fourth could work, I heard

[@mrr2880]

Are we really supposed to believe a man in a van operation did this?

[@niburu1508]

Mr R - Yes - just like all the rest of the BS published these days

[@davidhardaker192]

White van man was to blame😊

[@orunabho]

Maybe people from Mars did it. Such is the integrity of American media and Iya cronies. We still remember the WMD story used against Iraq to send it back to stone age.

[@urkiddingme6254]

Georges reminds me of Rudy Guiliani. "We have lots of theories but no evidence."

[@Resting-Cinnamon-dog-relax]

True, it sounds like a bunch of drama.

[@maxspringfield]

The proof is that Sy Hersh talked to a US government official who told him how it was done.

[@kimiopn]

amen

[@TheOne30264]

They just throwing everything at the wall and see what sticks. All lies of course.

[@TheGruntski]

It appears that the only evidence the German police has is that trace evidence of explosives was found, which does not mean that large quantities ever were on the yacht. It merely means that some passenger transferred trace amounts onto the ship. That would include any actively serving soldiers or reservists, miners, any construction workers who are involved in blasting, even farmers who handle fertilizer. Are we to assume that nobody in these professions ever goes on a yachting holiday.

[@browngreen933]

It's more hard evidence than in the Hersh article.

[@jojolafrite90]

Sure... I don't necessarily mind, but everyone knows it's america. They all say it without saying it. And this is not Ria N0v0sti, it's independent TV. And not of the worst kind either. It COULD be a RuZZian false flag as they said, but otherwise, everyone knows it deep down, what's more likely (OK, not sure, and it will never be).

[@TheGruntski]

@@jojolafrite90 Why would the US take out the pipeline when they already had the gas business? I don't go with belief on faith.

[@IliyaOsnovikov]

Traces of explosives on the yacht only means that someone had explosives there prior to arrival of the German police.

[@IliyaOsnovikov]

@@browngreen933 Who knows if that evidence is real and was not fabricated.

[@empirecases4128]

It's not even possible that someone could pull off that type of operation, and if they were that good they certainly wouldn't leave any evidence. BS BS BS BS

[@seancalder8858]

Was there a de-compression unit on this yacht? If not, it didn't happen. the divers professional or not, would need de-compression. This is a difficult task for "Special Forces" let alone a private group without the essential equipment on board. This is a "red herring" to cover the truth! America did it with the help of Britain and the silence of the Scandinavian countries in my opinion.

[@flashladderacrobat]

Who gains and profits from this? That is the answer`!

[@ravenblack7052]

The one who needs NATO in the war.

[@echongkan01]

@@ravenblack7052 and EU eating from its hand, grabbed by the balls.

[@echongkan01]

exactly: who paid for this? that one making a gain..

[@johnnywalker2870]

In addition, who promised to do it? Who said that it was a tremendous opportunity?

[@LA-kc7ev]

Whoever you want to imagine it seems.

[@patrickcowan8701]

Sy Hersh is going to release more. This is why they had to come up with this comedic narrative.

[@mothralovesyou]

CIA

[@D64nz]

US said they would and then did kill the pipeline.

[@niburu1508]

D64 - and since it is an act of Terrorism- they cannot brag about it now. But Biden was televised bragging so that might count at The Hague

[@mikebarre1224]

As an experienced scuba diver I am sceptical that this was done by divers. Much easier to use a drove.

[@LunaticTheCat]

Why? Trained navy divers are more than capable of reaching such depths.

[@tyronebryant9147]

Attacking their Ally lol - great ally to have

[@kimthide]

ally off whom after all the attacks on Ukraine's water and power infrastructure make it a legit target

[@davidguru]

The US is not our ally. They never were and they will never be. They are our biggest existentiell threat.

[@truefact4439]

Biden administration he did it

[@CoachMischa]

Your mum told you?

[@MinhPhan-nz4tr]

No Godzilla did it!

[@100percentsurf]

Very tongue in cheek story this one. Would have been good to see Seymour Hersh in this debate. Or another journalist do a follow up on Seymours story.

[@deepfuture7409]

They can’t invite him cos the truth have to be hidden and they prefer to blind us with made up story

[@HvdHaghen]

And the whistleblowers letter, read in John Mark Dougan's livestream from Oct 2nd 2022 (within a week after the attack)

[@bcanuck]

@@HvdHaghen Dougan is a fugitive from Florida living in Moscow since 2016. I wouldn't believe a word he says if I were you..

[@HvdHaghen]

@@bcanuckThanks for the info. I did not that. On the other hand: had he been in the US, his house would already been raided, the letter and photograph taken and he would have been waterboarded and MKUltra-ed.

[@kevinwachtler6946]

@@HvdHaghen what did b canuck show you?

[@zackjalamani]

This is a good TV program. I am an American and I like it more than most our BS TV programs of the same type

[@phil20_20]

Same here. It's all money driven opinions in U.S. News.

[@ollelarsson-xn2jh]

lol, they owned by same people.

[@gs8099]

All I can say is that you must be really smart and we respect smart guys who can see through fabricated, childish story!

[@ollelarsson-xn2jh]

@@gs8099 Yes, iam.

[@savhass3956]

Its all a game..and they're playing you

[@reckoner-nash]

Why are you not even considering America, which also benifits in a big way. Now all the German companies are moving to USA and Germany is dependent on the USA for all it's gas and oil requirements.

[@niburu1508]

Rasputin - it was America!

[@robert8764]

Kuzmanovic is nailing it!

[@opencompare]

A president of a country publicly said they’ll put an end to it but here we go beating around the bush.

[@niburu1508]

Open - yes Biden was bragging about that also about withholding the Ukrainian hand out if they did not get rid of a politician,who was investigating corruption. Later published that he was investigating the company who were paying Hunter Biden.. They are now saying it was because he was NOT investigating corruption. He certainly did not say that at the time. He also said they wanted rid of Putin just before this started. That was interpreted by most as Regime Change which was denied the following day.

[@sherrieslaboda7794]

Why not ask Sweden to tell us what they found?

[@alexroberto6353]

The greatest weapon against tyranny is the smartphone.

[@TheGruntski]

There has been enough time to sample the explosive residue and compare to the supposed traces from the yacht. No mention if these are even the same explosives. Also, explosives can be almost anything including common fertilizers.

[@patrickcowan8701]

Even nitrates from sausage will give a reading of explosives.

[@TheGruntski]

@@patrickcowan8701 Moreover, trace amounts can be transferred from clothing, duffel bags, boots etc. That means anybody at all who works with explosives and fertilizers, which are also used as cheap explosives, could transfer traces to the boat. That would include soldiers, reservists, miners, road construction workers, housing heavy construction workers, and farmers.

[@lucjansobol2024]

It is a very difficult art to lie in convincing way

[@HvdHaghen]

Does this new information fit with the info in the whistleblowers letter, read in John Mark Dougan's livestream from Oct 2nd 2022 (within a week after the attack)?

[@meisievannancy]

The French guy In the studio is the only one who is honest.. The studio host is biased to oppose him every time he wants to make a point.

[@ollelarsson-xn2jh]

paid stooges, taking us into war without thinking consequenses

[@Lorenz1973]

The one who has lots of theories and opinions but has done no first-hand investigations … rather than the investigative journalist who is doing the work?!?

[@maxspringfield]

​@@Lorenz1973 There's not a lot of work involved. The journalist goes to the authorities and they tell the journalist what to say.

[@neilclark8087]

@@maxspringfield Really? you seem to be an expert on this. LOL

[@maxspringfield]

@@neilclark8087 Yes really. He's not claiming to have done anything different

[@turinjatot1316]

Gas prices have skyrocketed after this, seems plausible the people who supply gas would benefit from this. That would point to many countries and corporations that own those countries.

[@dermaniac5205]

Gas prices skyrocketed because of sanctions, not because a pipeline that wasn't even transporting gas was destroyed.

[@niburu1508]

Turin - only one bragged about doing it.

[@conscious_being]

Wasn't it Sweden who said that they can't disclose their findings on the Nord Stream pipelines sabotage because of its implications for Swedish national security? I am sure they were worried about the negative impact on their national security by identifying Russia, Ukraine or private parties with sympathies to the Kyiv regime as the perpetrators of the sabotage. 🙄

[@MissKae_85]

Or they could have been concerned that if they implicated / exposed the US in the bombing it could negatively impact their bid to join NATO hence their national security.

[@conscious_being]

@@MissKae_85 I was being sarcastic. Yes, what you inferred is the only meaningful interpretation for what they said.

[@MissKae_85]

@@conscious_being oh lol that flew past me 😂

[@arjan2777]

Obviously if it was far more easy to do than people think you won't tell everyone how to blow up a pipeline. There are a lot of other pipelines and they are far too big to actually guard effectively.

[@conscious_being]

@@arjan2777 Oh! I am sure you are right. Who knows? A passing fish might have knocked out the pipelines when its tail grazed them. 🙄

[@eternaldoorman5228]

The guy in Bristol clearly doesn't have the heating on his house!

[@VanishMeantime]

It cost too much in the UK to heat your home.

[@SaltyBollocks1]

LIES!

[@judykinsman3258]

Who’s lying? France24?

[@Ben-sk1ff]

WDR and CIA. Because lying and covering up the truth is their job.

[@beelan101]

first you need explosives capable of working underwater, then they need to be able to blow through 4 inches of concrete protective casing, and the inch of solid steel that makes up the actual pipe. You would need a submarine to get to the depth of the pipeline, and professional divers who could operate at such depth. You then need to plant an estimated 100-kilogram (220 lb) TNT equivalent amount of explosives. (This is the estimated blast according to Björn Lund, Associate Professor in Seismology at The Swedish National Seismic Network.) Next you need to get down to a depth of 80-110 meters and plant these 200 pound explosives. These weren't some terrorists with their scuba gear and a stick of TNT. Seymour Hersch explained how it was done exactly, by NATO forces during the Baltops training exercise. A training exercise that specifically tested mini-subs at depths right around the area the explosions happened. How convenient.

[@robvannNS]

How about the decompression chamber. a very heavy piece of equipment.no indication they ever had one. The entire story is a fabrication to provide cover for the US and Norway.

[@felhomaly]

Both of Nordstream 1. and Nordstream 2. are pipe pairs (altogether 4 pipelines). 3 lines are demolished.

[@tonykalf5946]

There are a lot of explosives that can be used under water. And you don't have to have thousands of pounds to blow up a pipeline with a diameter of about 46 inch.

[@thf1933]

I can imagine it could be thrown from the surface (maybe some controlable technics) or delivered by an underwater drone.

[@beelan101]

@@tonykalf5946 Björn Lund, Associate Professor in Seismology at The Swedish National Seismic Network said "there is no doubt that these were explosions" at an estimated 100-kilogram (220 lb) TNT equivalent. Your right, but still, not a small explosion by any means.

[@garycrosby4973]

This guy is a real rocket scientist 😂 could have gotten A 12 year old to give his analysis!

[@lloyd310559]

This intel has been cooked.

[@EUCitizenFedUpWithAllThisCrap]

The boat was not big enough. What a joke.

[@EngCarrusso]

Georges Kuzmanovic is the only grown up in this debate.

[@fifi23o5]

The 'yacht' involved is a Bavaria CS 50 sailboat. Sailboat. Let's first talk about traces of explosive. What kind of explosive? Actually, you can find explosive on almost every boat since there are flares on every boat, especially if they have parachute flares, which uses explosive as propellant. Then, let's talk about the quantity of explosive used. They would need at least 1.5-2 tons of it. I won't go into procuring and smuggling it, just puting that amount and handling it on the boat of that size. How did they lower it to the bottom of the sea? Without the crane? They didn't just tuck it over the board? No. So, they would have to do it manually. Which brings us to divers and their equipement. For the dive to such depth you have to have highly trained divers with specialised equipement. It couldn't be done in one dive. For such depths you need special gas mixes and huge numbers of gas cylinders. There is no decompression chamber on the boat and ascend to the surface from this depth would take days. For each dive. This boat would have to be on this location for many days without rising any suspicion. This scenario simply didn't happen.

[@sandunsudusinghe5799]

Greta Thungberg very silence over the environmental damage caused in her area. This shows some people just need to scream over things that they really dont represent.

[@niburu1508]

Sanding - all those missiles nuclear tests etc. are doing the world damage. Most people to scared to object to the Western gang of bullies

[@donalain69]

19:39 Norway had a lot to lose???!! They took their own Baltic pipeline to Poland in operation literally 5 days after the attack! What DID they lose by getting rid of the main competitor who sold its Gas at a much lower price?! and to 28:44 : If there are many NON state actors ( that are not controlled by the US ) able to plant thousands of KG of explosives undetected even at 75m under water (the limit most scuba divers can go is at 40m depth) during a NATO underwater warfare exercise, what would stop them from blowing up the pentagon and the White House? But from a wider perspective she is right... it was a Non state actor that payed the US administration to do it. Cheniere Energy Inc (LNG). They increased their profit from 15 Billion in 2021 to 31 billion in 2022... and I'm absolutely sure they are among the top 10 costumers of US lobbyists.

[@Melrose51653]

Face it. The team may have been associated with or constituted by anyone. They had skills associated with special forces with a high degree of organization and discipline. I guess you can buy those services.

[@yinli757]

If so, someone is paying these contractors. Who’s the payer?

[@typicalKAMBlover21]

Have you done scuba diving? At such a depth you can barely operate 15 min and decompression will take 4 hours. This is not someone you just hire with contract. This is done by the most advanced diving team on planet earth. Talk to any professional divers you’ll find the story of hiring a yacht to do this is ridiculous.

[@galvk]

Probably US has promised Germany to compensate damages, otherwise Scholz would not smile.

[@niburu1508]

Galyk - or give them the GOLD back that they have been refusing to return. It’s the Mafia./ fascist way

[@eugenio1542]

Follow the money. Who is laughing all the way to the bank 🏧🤣

[@nirajshrestha5621]

The probe into investigation is rejected, which speaks volume.

[@sundaypikachu1844]

U.S. needed Germany's full commitment to the oil & gas embargo. The American expression is "burning the bridge behind you" so there will be no option of turning back.

[@appledaddy4139]

Kristine's comment even reminds me of MH17-was it really done by the Russians? Perhaps the ones behind MH17 and Nord Stream are the same.

[@hartonolee]

I can see from the comments that almost 90 percent dont buy into this comedic narrative. Getting c4 explosives to blow up concrete and steel unnoticed, getting divers capable of diving such deep depths, and having the capability of installing the charges, while remaining undetected for so long!!! If these guys are not state actors, than tom cruise need to hire them for the next mission impossible franchise

[@georgekelmeris9804]

When did the Germans plant those traces of explosives on that yacht ? 6 months later ? Amazing, wouldn't you say ?

[@BIBIWCICC]

America, America, America! We are all paying a high price for gas from America. America started a programme to supply gas to Europe in 2015. This plan was jeopardised with the NS2 pipeline. Now the US is the main supplier!

[@larsrons7937]

This "yacht" (or whichever ship(s) was involved) would have done it twice, at two different locations very far from eachother. The first Nord Stream 2 explosion was on the other side of Bornholm island. That place was about 24 km's from the shores of Bornholm, the boat could have been seen from the island. I.d.k. the exact distance between the two sites, but maybe 100 km's apart? And not once did anyone see this yacht fooling around?

[@larsrons7937]

@@ProgNoizesB What does _"at an island"_ mean here? If *_"at_*_ an island"^_ means at the gas leaks but 100 kms away from any island or, (the single leak to the south) at least 24 kms away from _"the island",_ that island far away would be Bornholm. Except for Ertholmene just north of Bornholm there are no other islands in that area. But everything is relative. It depends on what one means with "near".

[@larsrons7937]

@@ProgNoizesB As for the second part. I don't believe Andromeda is equipped with deep diving equipment (or minisubmarine) which is needed for diving this deep. Diving 80 to 100 meters with sucba gear is not possible. Sailing boats are not a uncommon sight in the area. rather. they are very common. When visiting any coastline of this part of the Baltic Sea one gets the impression that every local person has a sailing boat. Which is over estimated, but there are indeed _many_ many sailing boats, big and small.

[@ramonjr.deluna9584]

Sweden knows everything.they have high tech modern equipment to monitor everything sorround them.

[@yinli757]

This sabotaged pipeline could be caused by any countries except for the U.S., U.K, and France. Enough talk, time to catch these criminals. 😂

[@gorancmean]

And there are no security cameras anywhere in Germany?

[@limedickandrew6016]

Everyone one of these journalists know who did it, only one of them has the guts to actually say who it was.

[@adamoconnor695]

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale a tale of a fateful trip, that started from this tropic port, aboard this tiny ship. The mate was a mighty sailin' man, the Skipper brave and sure, five passengers set sail that day, for a three hour tour, a three hour tour. The weather started getting rough, the tiny ship was tossed. If not for the courage of the fearless crew the Minnow would be lost. The Minnow would be lost. The ship aground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle with Gilligan, the Skipper too. A millionaire and his wife, a movie star, the proffessor and Mary Ann, here on Gilligan's Isle.

[@marie-laure.]

The subtlety of this article is that if you accept the premise that a bunch of divers with a yacht can carry the deed totally unnoticed, totally not arrested by investigators, then anything can be true... Totally legit reasoning at play here

[@namelessone5022]

Thanks for reading between the lines. Many people there aren't capable of that it seems.

[@casteretpollux]

The US, UK and Norway did it. Nobody else had the motive.

[@kp6215]

My trust has always been with Seymour.

[@erwinz5926]

the way she lies with a smile.

[@johnnywalker2870]

It's American Exceptionalism!!

[@erwinz5926]

​@@johnnywalker2870 Its even a wrong citation. I had wondered how Mr. Pistorius had noticed "the russians". I checked. He did NOT say, that he suspects the russians. No German does. It was left out. And I am not a friend of Mr. P. Its just enough, that I can trust he would not say anything he could not proof. We all know. He knows. I even trust in his goodwill to silence what can not be prooven. And even if it could be proven, he is still caught in interests even bigger than a blown pipe.

[@annmariedeignan2596]

Groomed from birth to do so.

[@davidboskett5581]

When you listen to the commentary one can come to the conclusion it was a win win result for all parties whether they were responsible or not

[@HvdHaghen]

Good point. The Russians won, the US won, Ukraine won, Norway won, Germany won, the Green parties won, the EU won, NATO won, Energy companies won, Boris Johson and Liz Truss won, Biden and Blinken won. It was a win for all. Except the EU citizens of course. Yes, but who cares.

[@realdaybreaker8013]

Next time don't lecture the world about rule based world order

[@Liboch]

No foul play, our boss did it. Accept it.

[@rykson161]

Modern vessels repay their location to the mètre when at sea ! This is very interesting

[@yusriy7]

15:58 The recommended “down-time” for a dive depth of 100 meters is 20mins. The lower you go, the less time you have. Issues such as water pressure complicates your dive, hence some divers develop “the bends”, and have to decompress when returning to the surface. Some sections of the Nord-stream pipeline go as deep as 200 meters. Submarine? Possibility!

[@RoaringBas]

The lower you go........? Down time..........? Some divers develop "the bends".........? You have clearly no idea about what commercial diving is.

[@Threewulphmoon]

Why would they target the deepest section? They wouldn't. Saturation diving is more than possible.

[@Nerwesta]

Kuzmanovic above everyone with common sense and deep knowledge, like always 🤞

[@EngCarrusso]

Well said, I have the same view too that he Kuzmanovic is the only grown up in this debate.

[@DarElBarka]

Kudos to George Kuzmanovic.

[@seanblanchard383]

What is the feeling today? Don't blow up the boat.

[@browngreen933]

Great thoughtful discussion. We need to get to the bottom of this.

[@usman5092]

Do you mean 80 meter deep? :p

[@savhass3956]

Whats so thoughtful about it? Bet they wont interview Seymour Hersch 🤣🤣

[@usman5092]

@@savhass3956 I agree. Pick and choose as always

[@marcelgordijn1400]

jhea very funny lets go deep,Follow the money? 15 billion cubic meters of liquefied gas (LNG) will be delivered to the European Union. This has been announced by the White House and the EU.Typical Navy Seal operation

[@babyhominid7779]

No pun intended

[@tomstory8502]

🇺🇸USA 🇺🇸USA 🇺🇸USA

[@tayler2396]

Thanks for your enthusiasm.

[@henrilindroos3029]

In real life: woman is the medic In movies: woman is the captain, diver and big boss

[@artn2950]

Very intriguing to say the least... kudos for tenacity

[@tayler2396]

Whoever did it: good job.

[@beelan101]

You realize it was half owned by Germany right? If they didn't want to buy Russian fuel they could have refused to buy it. Blowing up this pipeline was a terrorist act, not something to cheer.

[@HvdHaghen]

I don't think so. Blowing up pipe 1 A and 1 B, pipe 2 A twice, and not pipe 2 B was an enormous blunder. It made the whole action totally useless because Germany can still buy Russian gas. Citizens and the German industry can still blame the German government, US and EU for the hundreds of billions costs of the sanctions.

[@tayler2396]

@@beelan101 No, it wasn't a terrorist act. A terrorist act is like blowing up a cafe or airplane full of children. This was a fossil fuel pipeline. Let's not exaggerate.

[@tayler2396]

@@HvdHaghen Good points.

[@wilsonogenna1075]

@@tayler2396 Attack on Ukraine is now called what????

[@fajarliong]

Should invite Seymour Harsh in the discussion，to educate your viewers with different perspective. That would create a much better perception in the channel democracy and freedom of opinion, or selective opinion

[@CNCTEMATIC]

This operation was well beyond the capability of two divers on a civilian boat; it required sophisticated military assets. Even if 2 divers with no submersible equipment could lay enough C4 to destroy this infrastructure, which they couldn't, they would not have the tech to trigger it remotely after a delay. What has been discovered is a cover operation...document trail and all

[@andrewtaing9039]

When children refuse to claim responsibilities, they invent someone else to blame.