Nordschleife: 8.28 BTG BMW 325i E30

Inboard our "budget" BMW e30 325i September 2010 at the Nordschleife. 8:28,44 BTG: Driver: Martin.
The car have a original engine and raceready weight with fulltank, without driver is 1059kg

[@1leggoman1]

Absolutely wonderful clip. Chrono display as mesmerising as the visuals. Nice to see someone doing our beloved E 30 justice. Thankyou, mmmm your quick too. Generous of you to shares specs. as we all should.

[@MagArv]

Standard 4 lugs and yes we believe 15 inch is suffiecent for this light weight/low powered car. 15 inchs wheels are very light and we can keep standard brakes. If we tune the engine as planned we might change from current 205/50-15 on 7"x15" to 225/45-15 on 8"x15". But 205/50 is also helping to keep budget low so we might keep as is.

[@MagArv]

The top speed is approx 220 kmh (GPS) but it will only go 174 uphill towards Hohe Acht due to the very steep incline;-) 15% uphill and 300m elevation from the bridge at Breidscheid to Hohe Acht. If you look at Scwedenkreutz and Fuchsröhre you see higher speeds. We run stock 5 speed box and an open 3,63 diff. Stock engine with 171HP.

[@Landorghini]

U are totally right about that! When you have that fading problem during a race there's one solution to handle it. Brake hard immediatly every time you hit the brakes. Give it no time to create heat by sliding your pad's over your disc's during soft braking. I learned that trick during downhill fun in the alpes. But always hit the brakes earlier to give yourself some extra stopping time.

[@MagArv]

Hi, thank you:-) Offcoarse an LSD will always be a little bit better, but on the Nordschleife we hardly ever get any problems with wheelspin on the inner wheel. However we have bought an 25% LSD this summer, which will be installed this winter so next year we will see. Still 3,63 ratio (With more power also next year) Hard to say when it comes to diff ratio. Again the 3,63 fits the car and the Nordschleife very well. Just on the edge to hit the rev limiter several places.

[@MagArv]

Thanks:) We use a K-sport "coilover" kit that should have 180 N/mm front and 155N/mm rear. It works great but we find the numbers provided by K-sport a little odd since i.e. E30M3 Group N springs are 120 front and 180 rear... Brake pads is Ferodo DS2500, disc is stock size (260mm OD front and 258 rear) "ATE Powerdisc". Cooling to brakes from intake in front. Thanks for the gratulations. We are 3 drivers sharing the car and now we have done 8.15/8.17/8.18 BTG:-) Stock 325i except exhaust syst.

[@ury23]

Well, I can't spend my money on LSD for now... that's the reason I welded my diff. It's true the understeer, but it's a problem that I fix modifying the set up. An yes, 4,27 is too short at the ring, the max speed is 200km/h Approximately on 15" wheels but I normally drive in slowly tracks ;) Waiting for a new onboard videos!!

[@MagArv]

We can push the trottle as early as we want;-) I know it helps on shorter/slower tracks, but I dont think it will help on the Ring. That also goes for the diff ratio. 4.27 would not work at the ring, you would hit the rev limiter in 5th gear several places. And don't agree on the welded diff, ratio might help on the accelration dependent on which track, but welded diff only creates understeer on turn-in:-)

[@Landorghini]

In my experience most of the time, fading starts by having bad / old brake fluid. Bad oil wich is getting hot starts "cooking" so there air bubbles emerge wich gives you a soft brake pedal. Fading by brake pads usually starts through fitting new pads on new discs wich are not good ingrained. (vitrification) What rarely appears in good use through the first few miles (correct my english if i said it wrong)

[@hpautosales]

It Will be a master piece without the chrono !!!! Nice Job

[@MagArv]

Front: ATE Disc, Ferrodo and DS2500 pads, rear stock disc and DS2500 pads. Cooling from front on to front brakes. They have not faded so far. Have done up to 6 laps straight without issues.

[@lt1eg6]

Great video man, faved within first minute. For someone that dreams of rising an E30 around the ring, this summarised it perfectly. Thank you.

[@MagArv]

Thanks! Always fun to watch and meet other E30's at the Ring:-) They are a very good "Ring-tool"!

[@LizzardHimself]

I love how the engine sounds totally calm and relaxed. :D

[@Elbenito84]

Great lap. As a fellow e30 owner it was fun to see the steering wheel input with the stock rack on the ring.

[@MagArv]

Yes lots of input needed, but no understeer. Car has the stock non-power steeringrack with 4,5 turns lock to lock.... It is on the to "do list" to upgrade to a more track friendly shorter steering.

[@MagArv]

Brake fading is the brake fluid boiling, yes. But smaller brakes creates higher temperature. I always change brakefluid on a regular basis, minimum one time pr year and I always use high performance fluid from unopen cans. I didnt mention the fluid as for me the fluid normally gets changed often on a trackday car. You must NEVER drive out on the Nordschleife with old fluid. On trackdays in Norway, the brake fluid is checked and measured for water content before you are allowed out on the track.

[@MagArv]

Thanks, it has the stock 3,63 diff. Maybe it sounds revy since the car is quite ligth? It only weighs 1059kg with full tank when this video was taken. Last year we added a header, slightly lightenedflywheel and reduced weight to 1015kg without driver. Best BTG is now 8.15:-)

[@MagArv]

Hi, We are running a 3,63 diff and 205/50-15 tires. Remember the speed in the movie is accurat GPS speed. You are right that it does 190km/h in 4th, but that is on the speedo. As it is now, with the stock engine, this ratio is perfect for the Nordschleife.

[@Landorghini]

6:05 to 8:00 My favorite part of the track. Nice drive!!! Compliments! Nice car too!!

[@MagArv]

Hi, we are using K-sport suspension. Coilovers front and springs/dampers rear. Only upgraded bushings from Millway Motorsport, other than that stock geometry and suspension. (Exept from the coilovers and topmounts)

[@garretteaton93]

from one e30 lover to another....fuckin sweet

[@DaytonCarCare]

Cool track, nice lines through the corners. (☺☺[][]☺☺)

[@Benji7060]

got to luv the fiesta at 1:15 !!

[@adqtube]

Compliments, nice driver ;-) do honor to this wonderful car

[@y8rd]

Cool video man... and good driving.

[@ArnaudShanghai]

Very nice driving skills, very nice Youngtimer, I did really enjoyed your video

[@MagArv]

@jayzracing: 205/50-15 Toyo R888. (with GG compound). Almost neutral toe angles, but slightly out in the front and slightly in at the rear if I remember correct. Nothing "extreme". Camber is -3,0 front and approx -2 rear.

[@MagArv]

Thanks. Standard m20b25.

[@wikeewoo]

Hell of a drive!! Nice e30 ;)

[@Seiding]

This just shows that you don't have to have 300 or more HP to have fun on a track. The handling of the car is half og the excitement. I have approx. 250 HP in my current car, but i still miss my old Peugeot 106 with only 150 HP. Yes my current car will go faster on a straight, but nothing beats the intensity and supersharp handling of my old 106 on a track. I won't even bring the new "family saloon" to a track...to put it straight......it's fast, but a bit boring ;-)

[@Landorghini]

I drove it in my e36 318is 140 hp and it barely came up the hill, almost asked my girlfriend if she could step out the car to help pushing up the hill :)

[@jayzracing]

@MagArv: Nice, I have the same alignment on my E30, front camber: -3.0 and toe out -1,2mm, rear camber -2.0 and toe in 1,9mm and I like it so far...

[@MagArv]

K-sport with adjusable rebound. Nothing fancy.

[@MegaJPSpecial]

congreats. fantastic job, very good driving, you struggle with the car.

[@ury23]

Anyway, you are very fast on nürburgring and congratulations for that. I'm spanish but I want travel to nür to drive, and it would be a pleasure see you at the track!

[@williamjamesfrost]

@MagArv Ahh I knew it was not limiting slip ! Thought it was just worn out :). Awsome driving - I am hoping to return there in a few months with my e30 :D. Heaven...

[@kikujiro499]

very nice, thanks for your answers. About the rollcage... is a noticeable difference with and without (chassis rigidity, handling and more precise driving and a lot faster..) because of here in Spain is impossible homologate the rollcage for street driving ... thanks a lot MagArv

[@7urb0m4n]

Great driving !!! I wish to be able to drive like this too :D

[@mi16t]

Very nice! Great lap time too!

[@happyontheroad]

Very nice driving Martin but.... you either have a very shot dif ratio (4,10, it's my guess) or very tiny wheels!! Here's my line of thought: standard wheel size on a 325i E30 is 205/55R15. So, with a 3,63 dif, standard gearbox (4th 1:1) you'd be doing around 190km/h at 6000rpm in 4th. In this video, it's 20km/h less... Nevertheless, great skill!

[@belmon125]

great lap man!! I made exactly the same time with my crx this august :D. What tires are you using? And I supose you have the stock open diff right? Very nice video!

[@MagArv]

Thanks. Rollcage is from Finess.se

[@MagArv]

@dash94: K-sport street chassie. Coilovers front, adjustable height rear. Adjustable rebound front and rear.

[@azapacher]

Hard Run Sir...!!!

[@MagArv]

Well, to be honest I don't think an LSD will help much on the Ring. We only have 171hp and have almost no issues with wheelspin. Only now and then if we hit a curb to hard or similar. The car has 8.15BTG best so far with open 3.63 diff:-) . I wouldn't recomend a welded diff for track use unless your are only going to drift;-) A welded diff will only create understeer on turn-in when trying to set fast lap times? We are using Toyo R888 205/50-15.

[@bmw0208]

i see, i missed that bit, but it looked like it was struggling at 173! obv i cant see the incline as i havnt been yet, my e30s still got a long way to go! 130 was a nightime freeway run! ;-), pretty good considering bmws rated top speed was 111 iirc for the m40!

[@nilro2004]

m20 POWER !!!

[@gengen64]

Definitively my favorite video in the kind(genre)... I adore, we feel well the speed and we see well trajectories. Small question, you do not think that a bridge of 3.91 diff autoblocking would be the ideal?

[@ury23]

With LSD you can push the throttle earlier than open diff, go faster arround the corners and better handling, not only works when you wheelspin. Before I put de 4,27, I already was going with welded diff (3,63) whit semislicks and I was more faster than open diff. I supose that everything depends on feelings of each person but I wish you drive one with LSD if you haven't done it yet ;).

[@MagArv]

No problem:-) And I am not trying to chat shit back at you, but your comment just shows that you have never been to the Nürburgring, especially not with your m40 316i;-) If you check the movie at 2:16 at and 2:50 you see that both at "schwedenkreuz" and "Fuchsröhre" the speed is over 200kph. The place you are commenting has a 11-14% incline uphill. The track has a 300m(900 feet) elevation from the bridge in the bottom of the hill and to the corner Hohe Acht at the top after the caroussel.

[@ZosZ4]

Without glows was this not possible.

[@Xasuser]

Bra kört! Vill också ner till ringen! Såg ut och skaka lite genom karusellen :)

[@davidf5449]

Great lap!

[@houstone88]

yo once you swap the steering column for something more sensitive itll be so much better

[@MagArv]

Hey! Don't make fun of the Swift's from Rent4ring;-) Perfect cars to learn the ring and cheap to hire.

[@kikujiro499]

wow!! awesome driving mate. Planning to buy a e30 325 (after s2000 and vx220 turbo) and if you donñt mind, two little questions. What chassis mods do you have? (shocks, springs (rate), brake pads (original measures?), discs. Again congratulations for such a great time in the green hell.

[@MagArv]

Yes, original non servo... Not very optimal... Have in the long term plans to change with a Z3 rack, but not going to happend this year.

[@ury23]

WOW! If you install LSD I can't imagine how fast you would go! I'm putting on my 325 e30 a 4,27 welded diff, I'll tell you how it goes. What tyres are you using?

[@Steeeewie]

Hey man, really nice driving! Do you use another gearing in the diff? It seems pretty "revvy" for a 325.

[@williamjamesfrost]

Is your lsd worn ? Brilliant video :D

[@MagArv]

It has the stock non-power steering rack.

[@lostwill86]

hey man, deadly drive! what are the engine specs or have u just lightend it

[@TiagoMNeves]

Nice drive... ;-)

[@Capwonder]

lol the fist pump at the end

[@towlie911]

Oh, they are on page 2 :)

[@jayzracing]

what brand is the roll cage? nice driving on the ring!

[@jfv65]

lots of steering input needed, understeer? good drive though. Flugplatz @ 150+km/h is not bad.

[@AhmedAli-lk2ej]

Very very nice man I loved ✌🏻️👍🏻

[@MagArv]

@yaijai Hillclimbing in Hong Kong sounds interesting! Always fun to outrun cars with more power.

[@ury23]

4.10 open diff? Nice drive!

[@esarqe]

Wunderbar, sehr schön gefahren ☺Ich habe mit meinem E30 (S50B32 motor) auch Toyo's aber die letzte viertel springt er doch etwas, wieviel bar hasst du da drauf ?grtz aus Maastricht (NL).

[@MagArv]

+Arex Danke :-) Wir betreiben 1,7-1,8 bar kalten Reifen, 2,1-2,2 warmen Reifen.

[@esarqe]

+MagArv aah, dan hatte ich zu viel drauf, danke fur dein antwort, aber die heimfahrt mit 1.7 bar ist auch nicht alles 😧

[@MagArv]

Sie haben Luftfüllung an der Tankstelle Ed Tankstelle (Döttinger Höhe.) Dort können Sie die Luft vor der Fahrt nach Hause zu füllen :-) Das wichtigste ist, etwa 2,2 bar warmen Reifen. Probieren Sie es aus. (Empfohlene Maximaldruck für R888 kann SIe an Toyo-Website zu finden)

[@florinblaguta]

respekt!!!

[@tombangard6104]

Sauber👍🏼💪🏻

[@dualinput601]

What kind of budget to build this car? Great driving!

[@bmw0208]

173kph and maxxed out? =107mph??? seriously not trying to boast or chat shit but ive had my m40 316i on 130 pushing it,

[@michalmaslowski1986]

amazed ;) very smoth :)

[@kikujiro499]

Nice thoughts...

[@jayzracing]

which tires and dimension? what about wheel alignment? nice lap!

[@Flowrazornapalm]

Schönes Anbremsen bei 2:25

[@feureisl]

Very good suspension,what is this? Bilstein,KW...?

[@BoostedM20]

This is making 170ps man good time.

[@SchneakerReview]

why are there vans and cars going really slow on the track? haha

[@StuntmanMike88]

Ah I see, sorry. I was wondering about the top speed of just 174Kmh. What's your transmission setup?

[@ltz15]

whats the price to go around the track with your own car?

[@emiel6n867]

wat kind of suspension are you using?

[@dash94]

Congrats. What about the chassis ?

[@kikujiro499]

oh...seems no 5 lugs conversion, already read it and what ate diameter front disc? do you think 15 inches wheels is enough or plan to do the 5 lugs?

[@MagArv]

@williamjamesfrost What lsd? ;-) Stock engine and drivetrain. Open 3.63 differensial.

[@forwox]

and there is no bloom...

[@786carrera]

Engine Overheating??

[@joshgurr585]

wow nice bro!

[@HardcoreMotors]

Vmax 174? Was hastn für ne Übersetzung?

[@xXvengeZz]

is the car 100% stock in the engine?

[@ChocolateBks]

Which brakes?Fading?

[@aminrassaei6515]

Exactly what mods have you made to the car?

[@gasovaterapie]

Haben sie original lenkung?

[@chillenlikeavillain]

@MagArv what coilovers are you using ?

[@towlie911]

Tire specs?

[@Luke1337]

original steering rack?