Everything You Need to Know About Ferrari Clutches

[@MuddyTubMedia]

I gotta say, you’re pretty damn good at this KZbin thing, Dan. I find myself watching every video in its entirety, even if it’s completely irrelevant to my actual life. Well done

[@normalguysupercar]

Well thank you for watching. That just means you find it fascinating.

[@jeffreyrichard2575]

@@normalguysupercar Great Automotive Journalism - useful information Unlike the Dougie show with it's "quirks and features " crap...........

[@Keith-po7nw]

Hey Dan. You are explaining the details very accurate. Doing a great job. Now we are getting into some DIY exercises. Well done.

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks

[@js3602]

Clutches & Coffee on a Saturday morning! Perfect timing, great video!

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks!

[@StelvioQuad]

Clutches & Coffee. Awesome

[@Keith-po7nw]

Your videos are very informative and helpful for owners of 430’s. The videos have saved me a ton of money and grief. Keep them coming for us DIYers. Thanks

[@normalguysupercar]

You're welcome!

[@ringleringle]

30 K miles is way too low for any respectable manufacturer to design a wear part to last...especially for $3K

[@Jedi007c6]

Well, that's why, later on, they went to a double disk set up.

[@normalguysupercar]

Actually for performance cars that's not uncommon

[@gsc512]

@@ringleringle everything in mechanical engineering is a compromise. They made it bigger. It might slow the rotation of the motor. But since it's so small, it doesn't have the leverage of a bigger clutch to last longer it's simply relying on the friction material. And they probably don't want a clutch pedal. That's too heavy so they don't put really strong springs that could lessen the friction materials workload. #iscreenshot I retain all rights to my intellectual property. Which includes the right to sue for damages such as algorithm modifications or deletion

[@johnnie5wreckingyard]

Its not a corolla lol😂

[@Slarty_42]

Completely agree. I owned a BMW E92 M3 for 8 years, started with 38K miles and sold it with 75K miles (manual). Came with a complete service history and the clutch had not been replaced and wasn't replaced in my ownership. I'm actually in contact with the new owner and it's not been replaced at 79K miles. Engines are very similar performance levels; Ferrari - 400ps/373NM, BMW 420ps/400NM. Weight; Ferrari 1553KG, BMW 1580-1810KG (spec dependant). There is no way that they should be wearing out so fast, or costing so much for a replacement unit. Ferrari tax.

[@supersonique001]

As an old school Ferrari owner anything newer than 1991 is 'newer' and way too electronically complicated! LOL. However i may still venture into the paddle shifting Ferrari dual clutch fancy dancy wiz bang world before I croak . 'Till then excellent tutorial on the modern clutches!

[@normalguysupercar]

Haha yes, it's a world of difference between the 90s and late 2000s Ferraris.

[@Hot_V8_TT]

Awesome video. Really good info. Every 430/360 owner and potential owner should watch this

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks

[@LTV_inc]

The first thing that they teach you in driving school is don’t shock the driveline. If driven nicely that clutch would last years…

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes

[@coreycohen6160]

Don’t think you mentioned it, but the Hill Engineering throw out bearing should be used over the OEM one. I had my OEM bearing fail at 14,000 miles and I was told I’m not alone. Cost me having to change the clutch that still had plenty of material. It also destroyed my flywheel when the bearing essentially “exploded”. Also I thought the 301 transmission doesn’t need to always adjust the PIS manually, it has an extra sensor to adapt itself over time as the clutch wears. I know people are saying here that Ferrari should have made a clutch that lasted longer, but these are lightweight high performance clutches, you’d have the same problem if you put a similar one in a Porsche, BMW or whatever. It’s just those manufacturers put a more “maintenance” and wallet friendly clutch in their street cars with compromises over a high performance clutches. One final thing, when Dan mentions dual clutch transmissions are all wet clutch. This applies only to Ferrari, there are other manufacturers like Ford, VW and such which used dry dual clutch transmissions in the 2000’s/2010’s and they all suck and eat clutch packs.

[@normalguysupercar]

I didn't mention that but yes, the hill engineering throw out bearing is the only one we use.

[@arjenwennekes]

Great Video as always! Thank you 😃 These Videos always make me want to go wrench on my own proudly owned - and driven - 360. Keep making this content please 👍🏻

[@normalguysupercar]

Right on!

[@Charly_Dont_Surf]

I’ve been a car enthusiast since my teens. Thank you for showing how the super car sausage is made!

[@normalguysupercar]

Any time!

[@randyrandom51]

Makes me want to go wrench on the 355, but there’s really nothing left for me to do on it. That’s not a bad thing, but I like having a project lined up. Pulling the dash to get new leather on it when the weather turns to crap, so I guess I just have to wait a little while, then I can dig in.

[@normalguysupercar]

Oh man that's a big project

[@paul_howey]

So much awesome info in this video! I've also learned today that there is no way I would DIY a clutch in one of these cars lol

[@normalguysupercar]

Eh, they aren't that hard, similar to most other cars honestly.

[@chrispig7748]

Thanks for a great video, I had no idea the differences between these clutches

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks for watching!

[@nickhoffman5524]

Dan have you talked to McLeod about building you a clutch?

[@normalguysupercar]

Who?

[@asaeed18]

@@normalguysupercarthey build custom clutches

[@chadlee1498]

Out of all the clutch manufacturers I have ever used, McLeod is by far the best. Well Engineered and take a beating.

[@bryanhallman8183]

Is there a difference in the shift feel/speed with the twin disc clutch?

[@normalguysupercar]

Well if it's a manual the clutch pedal feels slightly softer with the single disk on the 360. For the F1 cars the TCU in the f430 shifts a lot faster but I don't believe that has anything to do with the twin disk clutch.

[@thatlamborghiniguy5826]

Thank you Dan, it was very interesting. I personally have changed cluches on my father's Renault

[@normalguysupercar]

Nice

[@big6316]

I refuse to ever change a Renault clutch again. I just surgically remove the cancer and replace the whole transmission with something cheaper and German that works better with simpler parts that cost less than 50%.

[@peskn]

Hey Dan, besides mileage, & PIS, what are things you would notice when driving to decipher weather a clutch is relatively fresh or towards the end?

[@normalguysupercar]

You can feel them slip when they are starting to get old. Put it in a high gear and floor it. It should pull consistently and not jump rpm at all. But miles is the best indicator in my opinion.

[@realbogus]

I had a 1994 Honda Prelude VTEC. At 140k miles, the clutch blew... two hub springs fell out and ground down the fly wheel!!! Made shifting icky. $1000 all in. The 89-96 Corvette clutch had its issues... but they lasted 95k miles. Jeez.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah it's a different design. These are lightweight and designed to maximize power not durability

[@realbogus]

Bullshit. Ferrari clutches are junk. Again, light clutches are best served with a light flywheel. The friction disc should never blow at 20k miles. Period. Check to see if AP Racing makes a replacement for these things. It has to be better.

[@ROGER98SS]

Very interesting even though I do not own a Ferrari just to know about the clutch is very very informative.

[@normalguysupercar]

Thank you

[@mikesreviews3334]

Great content as always! Did you end up selling the 430 Scud?

[@normalguysupercar]

Not yet!

[@FrankAllanWright]

*is there a Ferrari "test parameter" to do prior taking an active clutch wear reading? (engine on/off; warm/cold, sensor calibrate, adjustment, etc.)...**Good Video...

[@normalguysupercar]

None that I'm aware of.

[@big6316]

RE: Fancy Ferrari clutch wear sensors. A story my Air Force Colonel, Dad told me is that because air bursts are more destructive DOD bomb engineers in the 30's spent millions trying to come up with a sensor to make bombs explode at about 3-6 feet off the ground. A fed up mechanic watching all the complex bullshit going on put a 3 foot long piece of wood on the nose cone and called it a day.

[@normalguysupercar]

Sometimes simple is better.

[@jasonmascow7686]

It's not brake fluid....it's either Pentosion a mineral based fluid or ATF in the later cars as fluid for the F1 cars..

[@normalguysupercar]

The manuals use brake fluid. The F1 cars use ATF.

[@Jedi007c6]

Hey Dan, what would your top three cars be, if you had to daily drive it. I i don't want to feel bad putting mileage on it, i drive about 10 k a year.

[@normalguysupercar]

If I had to daily drive it? GT350, 458, F430

[@PixelVogue]

There is something about certain cars pooing their clutches around 35-40k miles...... AM Vantage cough......

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah

[@ManfredEWhite]

Nice video.

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks!

[@analoguejunkie3478]

I got 43,500 miles out of my single plate f355 clutch (MT) before it started to slip under heavy acceleration.

[@normalguysupercar]

Sounds about right. That's pretty good

[@jimjones1505]

How did the two clutches shore up

[@normalguysupercar]

Which 2?

[@michaelp1258]

Hi Dan you did not put a link to Buy the Lanch Computer. CHEERS Michael

[@normalguysupercar]

Ah yes I'll do that. Thanks for the nudge

[@philipparana9225]

What's up with the jag in the back?

[@normalguysupercar]

It needs some love, then it will be for sale.

[@armedferret]

I feel like Dan has had several people ask about clutch life readout on 458s and such and is done with it. 😂

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes. That's accurate.

[@MarcosSilva-kd3kz]

Where are the cats? I haven’t seen them. Did they get caned already?

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah they are gone a long time ago

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

They sell complete kits for 3,900 bucks for F1 on Ricambri? Less than that for other ones.

[@normalguysupercar]

Somewhere around that price.

[@adamwojnarowki]

I'm seeing $4,900 for their f430 clutch kit on Ricambi's website.

[@bobbybabsonjr787]

HI Dan , when you do a manual conversion on the 430 does the dual clutch stay on or does it get chenged to a single ?, I 'm still thinking from the old days of manual transmissions.

[@gsc512]

It stays all of the mechanicals stay. The only thing that gets removed is the actuator and its components that shift the manual transmission then installation of the shift linkage for a gated manual is installed. There's actually a video where you converts a 430. All of the Ferrari cars that have the manual that shifted like an automatic F1 gearbox can be converted in this fashion. 😅

[@bobbybabsonjr787]

Thanks, you saved Dan the tech answer 🏎️

[@normalguysupercar]

The 430 only uses the dual disk clutch and the 360 only uses the single disk. They are not interchangable

[@garyleibitzke4166]

I'm so glad Ferrari and others went to the dual clutch.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes and no. I like both

[@garyleibitzke4166]

@@normalguysupercar Well, I like a complete manual or a dual clutch, the automated single clutch I don't care for.

[@organiccold]

Only time i change the clutch its when stops working 😂

[@thorsrensen3162]

I guess that ferrari owners have so much money that the cost of a new clutch for the car is like when I uses a few dollars for a hamburger. The ferrai owner just pays without even thinking it was expensive, it was just a small bill.

[@normalguysupercar]

No they bitch, a lot.

[@thorsrensen3162]

@@normalguysupercar OK perhaps they should have choosen a cheaper and more ordinary car if they dont have money for maintenance. Porsche also need new clutch from time to time. It is cars with a big high reving motor. I would never buy a show off performance car if I was going to be stressed over a $10.000 repair bill. comming frequently for brakes, motor tyres, suspension, timing belt or similar. It must be embarrasing to bitch over these kinds of money.

[@jeffreyrichard2575]

Great Automotive Journalism - useful information Unlike the Dougie show with it's "quirks and features " crap.

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks

[@seaeyeare]

Humm ... What's the clutch life on that white Scuderia?

[@normalguysupercar]

That's the car that the computer was plugged into...

[@seaeyeare]

@@normalguysupercar well then ... Was that 67 used it was reading or 67% remaining

[@normalguysupercar]

@@seaeyeare used

[@seaeyeare]

​@@normalguysupercar Oh no! So it basically needs a clutch? Only 10K miles? It was tracked for sure. Big LC usage for sure. Poor car 💔

[@normalguysupercar]

@@seaeyeare please tell me your joking

[@sh0ckerturb0]

Posted the same day my 360 needs a new throwout bearing. Wtf?? 😂

[@normalguysupercar]

I jinxed your bearing. Sorry

[@meandean3754]

Ferrari math

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah

[@MW-uy3np]

U know Ferrari clutches are junk when the challenge stradale has a launch button and when you use it twice you need a new clutch. Worst engineering

[@normalguysupercar]

And this is how myths spread. Simply not true.

[@MW-uy3np]

@@normalguysupercar Was told this from a very respected Stradale owner. I was going to buy his factory black / stripe low mileage car. So you are saying what about launching an f1 360?

[@normalguysupercar]

@@MW-uy3np 2 launches will not ruin the clutch. That's complete BS.

[@BluemanArthur]

I love you but I’m a musician without mechanical skills. I’d rather hope any questions I ask to you aren’t responded that I’m stupid. I’d hope you’d kindly tell me what to expect. Arthur ❤

[@normalguysupercar]

I have no problems with people not knowing something. You may just get some raised eyebrows.

[@big6316]

As a musician as well and also a life long car guy who has owned almost everything but Ferrari (until now) or Mopar cars I'm always the "new guy" with stupid questions somewhere. I can tell you that the die hard communities on those two brands in particular are the only ones I've encountered that have a noticeable "us vs them" streak in them. Ignore those people when one of them gets pedantic with you because for every one of them there are two Dans that are willing to teach without judgment. (They still might laugh a little though).