$50,000 Difference?! Understanding Ferrari F430 Values

[@shovel_head80]

Thank goodness for MO’s extreme attention to detail and intensive supervision ✌️

[@normalguysupercar]

Lol yes he is a good shop dog

[@timgosling6189]

For anyone with the same problem, fixing the wobble on the mirror on the grigio car is usually just a loose screw; if so sorting it is literally a 10 minute job

[@normalguysupercar]

It's typically not the screw, it's the rubber the screw goes into gets loose

[@timgosling6189]

@@normalguysupercar To fix mine I actually followed your video (thank you). The problem wasn't the 3 external screws that secure the mirror to the plastic bush but the ones inside that hold the plate the bush is attached to. They were just not quite tight. All done and still good a year later.

[@billbrowning3021]

Great video. It’s good to know how dealers assess super car values.

[@normalguysupercar]

For sure. There's a lot of nuance that can add up to big differences

[@hamishcruden7623]

That was a compressive lesson on the cars. I did enjoy learning these seemingly simple, but in reality important points! Thank you.

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad it was helpful!

[@josephmccormack6910]

That blue is very sharp. It really stands out. Great video.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes

[@joetrentmann--N0JVW--4REF1]

Great video and great topic! A car with solid service is worth paying up to get like the red which was serviced by a top shop and is actually priced low, IMO. Crazy that mileage would lessen the value much in that case. It’s surprising with the way those were/are priced that they all haven’t all sold. Richard’s obviously needs to go to the right collector. Mo was great😂!

[@normalguysupercar]

We agree!

[@robwaz1547]

Thanks, MO KNOWS, he’s ready to go for a ride. A true driver. Thanks again for your wonderful experience

[@normalguysupercar]

You bet

[@lockingdiff]

Ferrari fanboys: "The blue F430 is worth no more than $50, because it's missing the Scuderia shields." 😅 I am actually genuinely shocked someone spec'd that car so well, and left out the shields, since it's well known in the Ferrari community they are a large resale bonus.

[@normalguysupercar]

So people don't like the shields... Personally I love them

[@scottmaz4063]

Good morning Dan enjoyed the video.

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks 👍

[@cuttingedgeinnovationstati5208]

This video goes to show how you guys understand your market and can assist any serious buyer into the best car for them. Great video!

[@normalguysupercar]

Our pleasure!

[@JohnTaylor-b2e]

Great video Dan--Mo looks like me in the mid-afternoon--ready for a nap. LOVE the blue one. You should find a buyer for it and the red one soon. Keep your super informative videos coming and enjoy your weekend.

[@normalguysupercar]

Mo is always ready for a nap

[@JohnTaylor-b2e]

Yeah--so am I--getting old sometimes sucks but it beats the alternative as far as I know. I actually have a lot to be thankful for. I have been married twice and lucky for me I saved the best one for last. My glass is always at least half full just like my gas tank. Take care Dan--JT@@normalguysupercar

[@mdawson5859]

Good vid and comparison of these 3 F430’s well done 👍🇮🇹🇺🇸🇬🇧

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks

[@silver_bullet682]

Great video, and a lot of solid info for us Ferrari neophytes, thanks!

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad it was helpful!

[@dwtrksvc]

Great video! A good look at what makes them the same yet so different and its always good to see Mo!

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@MarcSob22]

I take the grey over the other colors easy!

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah some people really love that color but it's a minority unfortunately

[@scottstrang1583]

That blue and tan combo is drop dead gorgeous.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes it is

[@A_Brion]

Great video with really good insight!!

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@garyleibitzke4166]

I LOVE the blue color, especially because it's unusual on a Ferrari. I saw one recently that was a "non-factory" Pine Green and it was stunning. All 3 cars are nice, but for some reason (personal taste), I can't stand red interiors.

[@normalguysupercar]

Haha that's ok it's not for everyone

[@JW-lo2bh]

Another great NGS video! It shows just how much you guys know about these cars. My choice is the red one

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@andytaylor2321]

Thank you! Currently have my eye on an 07 with 8400km on it Yellow on black

[@normalguysupercar]

Nice

[@ndpesicgroup]

This is great info.... thanks for doing this !!!! Happy weekend !!! Cheers !!!

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks, you too!

[@edmo9712]

Love watching your videos, but it’s safe to say that Mo carries the shop. 😂

[@normalguysupercar]

Lol yup

[@matt33876]

Man, you've come a long way.

[@normalguysupercar]

Agreed

[@pittsguy7]

Thanks for the guided tour and explanations. My favorite is the NART blue 430, now I just have to figure out how to pay for it..........

[@normalguysupercar]

That's always the problem. Lol

[@napbona7497]

I feel I can trust this guy. I am saving. Keep them coming Normal Guy.

[@normalguysupercar]

Thank you

[@supermotos]

Hard to say it hasn't been re-painted at all just by looking at it. You guys should look into getting a paint depth gauge.

[@normalguysupercar]

We have one, they aren't the end all

[@Unimatrix69]

Don't remove the stripe on the red f430, if it has spent ANY time in the sun then there WILL be a color difference underneath the stripe.

[@normalguysupercar]

True

[@dm8520]

Always liked the spec on Richard's car

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah it's so cool.

[@MatthieuVlogs]

Great video! Thought the 3rd was going to have ever valuable third pedal but I guess then it would be a $75k+ delta vs $50k 😅

[@normalguysupercar]

Oh yeah probably more

[@Hans-ku4en]

Blue one is my favorite. Great Video.

[@normalguysupercar]

Thank you

[@philipparana9225]

Red one seems like best value. Blue is close to a museum piece, grey was a little rough for what 10 percent more gets you in the red.

[@normalguysupercar]

Exactly

[@markkerry5840]

Very interesting and informative, thank you Dan

[@normalguysupercar]

My pleasure!

[@alejandrotabosky946]

Always 2008 and 2009 with less than 20K Miles will command top prices in F430 Spider $165K to $175K as they received major upgrades on Headers, Transmission, ceramic brakes standard, etc

[@normalguysupercar]

Some of that is not true.

[@alejandrotabosky946]

@@normalguysupercar please let me know wich part is not true, also I fogot that 2008 and 2009 dont have key switch on the doors ;-) (You did not that but still we love you)

[@privacyprivacy8708]

Auction list is phenomenal guys

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks

[@Topofthelinetommy]

Im moving to FL next month and want to trade my Quadrifoglio in for a Ferrari F430 spider. Dont need an suv anymore.

[@normalguysupercar]

We can help you with that

[@alejandrotabosky946]

great. Spider is the way to go.

[@zzyzx987]

Super helpful video! What's your basic advice on evaluating headers, especially for someone in California?

[@normalguysupercar]

You have to listen to them on cold start. You can do a smoke test but that's not always possible or practical.

[@zzyzx987]

@@normalguysupercar are the original headers ever ok on an F430, or are they always a ticking time bomb? Would you prefer to buy an F430 where the original headers had been replaced?

[@normalguysupercar]

@@zzyzx987 eventually they all fail

[@beachengineer]

Dan, excellent informative video!

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@EWGIII]

That blue is gorgeous!

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes it is

[@jgdwick4067]

Dan have you tried Neutrogena, cosmetic remover and some lemon juice on the sticky buttons? I did on my 430 and it worked great!!!

[@normalguysupercar]

No but we've found boraxo to be the best option.

[@chrischallis4240]

That was really interesting...thanks..

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@01coltcolt19]

Love the level of detail!

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks!

[@mhinduja]

Great comparison video! Is there any reason you did not mention the parking sensors on the Red car - don't they add value? Or make no difference?

[@normalguysupercar]

Nobody really cares about those.

[@mhinduja]

@@normalguysupercar Hmmm. I beg to disagree - if you look at how paranoid people can be when parking these cars, these sensors are a godsend. It would be interesting if you poll people on this - if it was a silly, non-needed feature that nobody really cares for, all modern cars would not have them - just my 2 bits.

[@seanengineer7009]

Finally, MO is in the house

[@normalguysupercar]

Lol yes indeed! Shop dog!

[@michaelkane9421]

You should talk with Craig from flying wheels he is selling his 360. Would be a cool to see it on your channel

[@normalguysupercar]

Eh perhaps I will

[@Arthur-ke9vz]

Excellent video!

[@normalguysupercar]

Thank you very much!

[@petersantoro5323]

Great information thanks

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad it was helpful!

[@marksmith5696]

I really like the Red, always have on the 430. Is it hard to get parts for these cars now? Do you anticipate in the future parts could be scarce?

[@normalguysupercar]

It's not terribly difficult now. It will probably get harder to get less common parts in time

[@Topofthelinetommy]

The Grigio would be PERFECT FOR ME! 😍

[@normalguysupercar]

That one is already sold unfortunately

[@number36420]

The Grigio is the real Boss color and unique. If that was in better condition with stock wheels, would have gone easier

[@normalguysupercar]

Eh perhaps. It's hard to say

[@number36420]

The Grigio finishes on Lambo and Ferrari are the most unique. Reason being is not all people want them because they love skittles color. These paints are stunning in the sun and on the road!

[@Joe_CT]

Great content! I miss my F430 Spider... it was my favorite Ferrari even over my 488 Spider. It was fast but you could still really wind it out and not go to jail if you get caught. My 488 Spider was just stupid fast. My F430 spider was a 2006 that I bought in 2016 with 800 miles on it so I totally get what you are saying about the Nart Blue one you have... it is basically a factory new F430 spider.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah it still smells new

[@fldigger]

The Blue Nart 430 is beautiful…I see that Gulf Coast Motorworks in Bonita Springs, FL has it for sale at $170K with 6,250 miles on it…would love to find out who had it for 1000-ish more miles and then sold it to you guys…presumably at a reasonable discount to your current asking price (for your deserved profit margin). Seems crazy how often some of these cars change hands.

[@fldigger]

Also, it got sold from a dealer in west palm beach with 4,780 miles on it…it had different/original seats and non of the Carbon Fiber upgrades in the engine bay.

[@normalguysupercar]

Is it the same VIN?

[@fldigger]

I checked it a few times….keyed it into google…check it out when it was sold from Pinnacle motors in west palm beach, FL. Has great photos on the old listing.

[@Edgar_Randolph]

Prob a coincidence, albeit a reasonably big one

[@sierrasautosalon]

Great video!

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks!

[@abdullahjumaah43]

the 120,000$ red one is my go for tbh

[@normalguysupercar]

Indeed

[@marcot3013]

F430s with the stock cats, but removed pre-cats/headers and 02 extenders can pass Cali emissions.

[@normalguysupercar]

That's good to know

[@broyout3586]

As someone owning a classic saab 900 convertible in that exact grey color (it's not original saab), with a red canvas roof, I immediately gravitate towards the grey one :-) Cool it's the cheapest

[@normalguysupercar]

Yup

[@garystevens1044]

I just found my first 458 with high miles but extremely maintained it does have a salvage title but all and every part is authentic . And white. Runs drives and I score it for $21,900-

[@normalguysupercar]

Ok

[@Limit85]

actually that's a good option like what you wanna do with the car if u are a collector you have a nice car the blue one if u wanna drive get the red one so simple but I personally would buy 430 coupe it fits much better

[@normalguysupercar]

Yup

[@markrambo3]

Just a dumb question... With the second Ferrari the redwind pass mog in California? I was just wondering with the after market exhaust

[@normalguysupercar]

Probably not

[@richardbieber9323]

Ceramic brakes are a costly (15000$) but necessary addition to a great car. At least on German Autobahn. I wouldn’t by one without them! If the new headers are without the first converter you need to recalibrate the whole mapping. Only few people can do it right but you gain an additional 30 HP and torque.

[@normalguysupercar]

Indeed

[@bralitowey]

Can you do this for the 360 please?

[@normalguysupercar]

Well we don't have 3 360s available right now... 😉

[@Rockinrn]

Good video!

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks!

[@ssom7291ify]

The grey is the best looking car

[@normalguysupercar]

Unfortunately that's probably a minority opinion

[@UNLOCKsilo]

how much weight savings does the carbon fiber gas cap add?

[@normalguysupercar]

Haha not much

[@Edgar_Randolph]

No launch controls on any of them? Not a bad thing on single clutch I suppose.

[@normalguysupercar]

No, it wasn't available in the US spec cars sadly

[@Edgar_Randolph]

​@normalguysupercar Christ, that was a super quick reply, lol! 😂 Thanks for that info, you might've guessed I'm in Europe.

[@redtestarossa]

Best deal is a salvage, grey, grey interior, high miles and factory 6 speed manual 😂

[@normalguysupercar]

That would be cheap lol

[@Globe2274]

Where do you get your cars from? I know dealers can buy from auctions, but from my research...you don't see a lot of Ferrari's or supercars at these auctions.

[@normalguysupercar]

Auctions occasionally, people contact us, we find people

[@supersonique001]

One of the reasons I have no interest in the more modern cars is the innumerable options and overly digitized (electronics) of recent modern Ferraris. Older cars are simple, color and interior colors and your done, end of story!

[@normalguysupercar]

True

[@djm_852]

The blue car is one of the most stunning 430s I’ve seen. Agree that the red car with the new clutch and higher miles is the best deal overall. I love grey over red too and those aftermarket rims actually look really good IMO but unforgivably some fatass destroyed the driver’s seat so have to factor in fixing that and a new clutch soon-ish means the red one is a better buy for only $11k more, with nicer options even with slightly higher miles.

[@normalguysupercar]

Lol exactly

[@jonathankidd3023]

With the stripe on the Red F430 I think of the 16M. When it is not it is like why did someone put that on. Still beautiful car.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah it's just personalized.

[@dasgellendehorn1393]

What a wonderful car!

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes indeed

[@RayDean-wr4mz]

Love Mo🔥

[@normalguysupercar]

Everyone loves Mo

[@jamesmciver9637]

Does the red dial add value?

[@normalguysupercar]

Not really

[@Bwill-hn2pc]

Cool video

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks

[@pjcornell9691]

Are F430 Coupes the same price as an identical convertible?

[@normalguysupercar]

Typically no but they are getting close. Coupes used to be $10-15k cheaper but that's much much closer now

[@marcellowithtwols]

What happened to the blue F430? Did you sell it? I don't see it on your website...

[@normalguysupercar]

We did not sell it. It's Richard's car and he decided to just keep it as he wasn't getting offers that were enough.

[@marcellowithtwols]

@@normalguysupercar $160k is quite high though. Even for a collector. Love the blue and will keep it in mind, should Richard consider offers later on.

[@haroldmclean3755]

Very interesting 👍🤔

[@normalguysupercar]

Glad you think so!

[@rposton919]

I'd prefer the gray car. Has nicer wheels too.

[@normalguysupercar]

Nice

[@earving3245]

Great blue 430 and beatiful good boy 🐶

[@normalguysupercar]

Thanks

[@arisgod2749]

Add another what? 60K plus to the blue car if it was a 6-speed gated manual?

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah, probably at least.

[@dougskinner9625]

I was a bit interested in buying an F430, but thanks to this video and few others I've watched on KZbin, I've decided against it. Compared to Porsche for instance, the quality and reliability really looks poor. Crazy that you get so little mileage out of a clutch for example. Plus all the loose pieces (side mirrors, tail lights, etc) is really disappointing. The engine sounds incredible but it's just worth all the maintenance headaches and expenses for these cars.

[@normalguysupercar]

Ok

[@alejandrotabosky946]

Spiders on F430 allways has cost like 20% more than the coupes on average. The look with the top down no way any coupe can match, similar with 458 but without that huge difference.

[@normalguysupercar]

The spiders are coming down fast

[@DwainDwight]

would take the red one also. blue nice, but not for 30% more.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah

[@CarlsGarage1]

Have you noticed the 248095, gearbox position sensor is out of stock almost everywhere on earth!

[@normalguysupercar]

I haven't been looking for that part but that's not unusual for certain parts to be gone

[@CarlsGarage1]

My 430 is on lift for over one month due to missing this part@@normalguysupercar

[@fjones1914]

I prefer the gray color. Red attracts too much attention, especially at high speeds!

[@normalguysupercar]

It can

[@kayschildbach6282]

These are not the turn signals these are only the reflectors US models only have them. Difference 60.000 USD not 50. Best combo red/black nobody buys blue.

[@normalguysupercar]

Gotcha

[@jeremydiamond8824]

WE LOVE MO thanks Dan for showing us the difference between the Ferrari’s I’d take the blue !!😎👍🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸😇🤡👻👺💩🔊🧛🤩☠️👄🍻

[@normalguysupercar]

You're welcome.

[@petermckechnie9092]

I’m shocked at how bad the build quality is considering how expensive these cars are new. Even a Ford with 35,000 miles would not be vibrating the mirrors and rear lights loose, have sticky buttons or manifolds that crack. I have been fortunate enough to own a Porsche Boxster S. although a pretty much entry level Porsche and despite being 15 years old and 80,000 miles it had less faults than the grey car.

[@normalguysupercar]

Eh they are pretty solid in my opinion

[@dj2000lbs]

Mo's like why you talking to yourself?

[@normalguysupercar]

Lol yup

[@petermckechnie9092]

I think the moral of the story is buy a 911…. You could even buy an old G body 911 with less faults than these Ferraris seem to come with

[@normalguysupercar]

That's the boring option

[@kappaomegaphi]

No Ferrari side badge on the blue one … that’s a minus …

[@normalguysupercar]

Yeah that doesn't help in most cases

[@dzikijohnny]

The Grey car would be for the first time Ferrari owner on a tight budget who knows he will have to put money into it down the line if he wants to sell it down the line?

[@normalguysupercar]

Yes exactly!

[@GracelessTarnished]

Hello Michael Rapaport lookalike.

[@normalguysupercar]

Ha

[@drunvert]

The longer I watched the video on the interior of the gray model. The more that color annoyed the hell out of me.

[@normalguysupercar]

Haha

[@Edgar_Randolph]

Blink longer...

[@alpintourer]

Red is for beginners! An off color car usually usually has had fewer owners and thus, less deferred maintenance.

[@normalguysupercar]

Eh I'm not sure if that's entirely true

[@Floydian4everr]

Love the gray color but hate those wheels and red leather looks tacky, like something out of a 70s van w ahag carpet

[@normalguysupercar]

Haha yeah

[@deserteagle10]

Crazy that my Toyota has way more miles than those and shows WAY less wear and tear.

[@normalguysupercar]

Yup

[@lefuedebout]

Great viddeo but, the cheapest Ferrari? The least expensive f430 here would be more accurate as no Ferrari could be described as " cheap " ! 🙂

[@normalguysupercar]

Tomato tomato

[@Zyworski]

You are right about removing the tricolor stripe. I only like the tricolor stripe on a black or white car and never down the center of the hood. Stripes look better down low above the rocker.

[@normalguysupercar]

Generally

[@dphotos007]

The front scoops under the lights of the red car are the wrong color. They are painted black and the factory color should be a gray color.

[@normalguysupercar]

Ok

[@leoderbyshire1076]

Everyone one of them betwen 20-30k overpriced compared to UK market and yes that included curency conversion

[@normalguysupercar]

Funny how a large puddle can interfere with prices.

[@leoderbyshire1076]

@@normalguysupercar or a Governments import taxes and all that jaz