Not for Gamers… The Ryzen 9 9900x and 9950x Review

[@TheBigBlueMarble]

When showing graphs of CPU temperatures I think you should also include what type of cooling was being used. It really doesn't make much sense otherwise.

[@davo9129]

I know this is a 3 month old video so I am wondering if they fixed the 9900x performance?

[@DPowered2]

i also want to know

[@IronMeDen1]

For many people, they did like a week ago

[@mr.simmonds5681]

You don’t need to use core parking on the 9900x or 9950x. PC guide tested core parking enabled vs off and lost performance with it enabled. It only makes sense for the 12 and 16 core X3d chips. I am guessing AMD recommended it for potential power savings but, it’s absolutely worthless for the most part and isn’t required.

[@MoBeigi]

I was under the impression they needed core parking because unlike the 7900x/7950x, these chips seem to have a much higher latency of 200ns between cores on different CCDs. So it introduces a bottleneck even though both CCDs are the sae (and there is no 3d v-cache). EDIT: However, it seems like AMD has improved this issue via BIOS updates since. So you may not notice it when running with no core packing and early reviews of the CPU online will not have been with the BIOS improvements making them irrelevant.

[@bigox666]

So I don't have to do core parking at all? So I need to update the BIOS and that it

[@xTypeNameHerex]

well ive got the 9950x paired with a xfx 7900xtx magnetic air and i havent had any complants.

[@orion9k]

People are missing an important fact about the 9950x... I have seen it's performance vs 7800x3d in CS2 and it's hitting +20 fps higher on the 1% low fps. I would also choose the CPU that performs best on the 1% lows for competitive gaming.

[@bigbrownmab189]

I know people are sad about performance from what they were hopping, but those are the gamers who will need to wait and see what the X3D ships will look like and do when they come out. But im a creator, so these chips are super amazing in my eyes !!!

[@coolbydefault]

i was thinking the same thing, the X3D'S are for gaming ,, whoever was expecting these to be are kinda lost. lol .. AMD will announce them at some point. but for right now if you want to game .. the 7800X3D is still king for the value.

[@MMOsForLife]

@@coolbydefault The 7900X3D and 7950X3D try to be the best of both worlds. Especially the 7950X3D. It has two full 8 core CCDs. One for near 7800X3D level gaming and the other 8 Core CCD for multicore friendly applications. Because the 3DV cached CCD is clocked slower, it's not quite as powerful as a 7950X, but close.

[@4566Iggy]

Same I got one for black Friday

[@Vialli100.]

I have just changed from 5900x AM4 to 9900x AM5, Asus Crosshair X870E Hero, 64gb Kingston Fury 6000 ram... The X870E Hero was cheaper than the X670E Hero in the UK.. I thought my 5900x would last a few more years, but the motherboard started to fail.. So I took the plunge and so happy I did..

[@oside_m5]

I’m waiting for 9950X3D results against my current 7950X3D. Also a test with the 9950X3D in a X670E mobo vs a X870E. Even some tests on a 7800X3D and X79503D both in the new X870E mobos. As of now I think the info on the PCIE lanes and how they are routed, is still under NDA

[@karstenkramer8948]

My 9900x is really good in gaming , so do not understand your video

[@alpgencgil4936]

He compared 9900x with x3ds non-spoken.

[@alxfort39]

Video title says it's not for gamers. He isn't arguing that they aren't good enough for gaming. It's just the price to performance that makes it less suitable for gaming.

[@coachaub377]

I got my 9900x for $382 & it is great in games!

[@stefanbraun1951]

@@alxfort39 What do you think, is it worth an upgrade from an i9 9900K when doing everything with that cpu. Gaming like Cities Skylines 2 but also Lightroom Classic and Premiere Pro. I still use a GTX 1080ti.

[@alxfort39]

From a production and gaming standpoint you will see some significant gains because of the newer zen 5 cores and larger boost clocks per core. In games you will see your 1% lows on the 9900x on par with the average fps on the 9900k

[@blkspade23]

The need for parking one CCD is not a new thing, it's just the option being available for non-X3D models that is really new. It's been an issue for some games since Zen2. It's also why the concept of dual stacked v-cache doesn't make sense.

[@Ray88G]

There is way two park the cores . But really what we all need is larger L2 cache . Then everyone would benefit .

[@blkspade23]

@@Ray88G You seem to be missing the point I was making about why there is a need for core parking. It's also a matter of some misattributing the latency issue with games to asymmetric cache in R9s. You wrote L2, which I'm sure would have its own benefits, unless you meant L3 which hasn't been benefitting much of anything else outside of games and some Linux tasks.

[@RobBCactive]

Dual stack V-cache DOES make sense when you're doing data analysis or engineering calculations like CFD. The larger L3 can massively speed up each CCD while improving power efficiency due to avoiding read/write to memory. What YOU don't do is run a single instance across all cores, instead have 2 running independent tasks, with the cores and cache close together. Typical "productivity" apps are processing streams of data in relatively small chunks that can fit in L1/L2 which is why Intel Economy cores scored well in typical PC benchmarks.

[@RobBCactive]

​@@Ray88GLarge L2 suffers a performance hit due to higher access latency and as core count increases the inter core cache coherency protocol is seeing vastly more messages which go off die, because local copies can be invalidated while writes have to invalidate stale copies to maintain memory consistency. The desire for large cross die L2 means the implementation will have the characteristics of L3. AMD's 8c/16t CCD with a local L3 scales well in server which run many independent jobs which kept to a single CCX.

[@RobBCactive]

​@@blkspade23games aren't optimised for large core counts, they're written to use cache well on typical machines and writing custom code to say use a 2nd CCX for ancillary tasks, while the core game runs its 4 or 5 tightly coupled threads on another simply isn't commercially viable. Those chips run games well enough while the mainstream potential buyers have older hardware like quad cores, so optimisation for the low end can improve sales. Core parking is to save power and stop Windows migrating threads erroneously onto the 2nd CCX which incurs latency penalties. Most games aren't even using 6c fully with cache size & frequency superior to high core count.

[@JoeRichardRules]

Why was everyone expecting so much of a higher performance compared to last generation when the clock speed and core count are basically the same?

[@geort45]

IPC

[@michaelkeudel8770]

Because the 9700x beats the 7700x by 20+% in Windows 10 or Linux, even after the recent patch for Win 11.

[@Sams911]

thoughts on the 9950X for a CPU intensive game like Star Citizen? I can't get the 9800 .. long back order

[@marsMayflower]

to say any modern CPU isn't for gamers is a ridiculous statement. Many, if not most gamers, are GPU limited and also game at higher resolutions and settings than competitive settings and will have a similar experience no matter the CPU. Keep staying out of touch, KZbin.

[@45eno]

I would say you are out of touch with your comment. He isn't saying they can't play games. These are bad buys for GAMERS due to the cost. It's not that gamers can't game on them. But for gamer first buyers they could easily spend less like $400 on a 7800X3D which would be better suited for their needs. So yes 5900x,5950x,7900x,7950x,9900x,9950x can all work for gaming but they are poor buys for gamers that don't do heavy production work. Fast IPC and extra CACHE for cheaper than a high core count CPU is a better use of money for gamers needs. No one is saying some heavy core count CPU geared towards productivity can't be gamed on. For example a 7600x 6core for $180 will be a better buy than a 5950x 16core for $300 for those gaming. EVEN at 4k ULTRA detail. 1% lows can even be improved in high GPU heavy configurations with a better faster IPC CPU's or X3D cpus.

[@marsMayflower]

The title literally says "not for gamers". I'm a gamer who also runs some multicore workloads. So, yea, saying the CPU isn't for me is just dumb. It's a dumb title, ok.

[@45eno]

​@@marsMayflower Try to follow the spirit of what was relayed in the video. It's just weird to take it so far in that direction. Just try to understand the value aspect in gaming. No one says you can't use a 14900K to play minecraft, it's just not the best value for the task at hand. Great you game and do productivity tasks, well sounds like these sort of CPU's is a good fit for you. For strictly gamers it's not a great choice to pick vanilla X high core count CPU's like the 7950X when you can get far better FPS performance using a less productivity and more gaming focused CPU. Again I think you critique is far more out of touch than the guys title or video when you actually try to understand the meaning behind the title. There is click bait sort of titles that draw a reaction out of people and cause them to click for both positive and negative reasons. If say my kid wanted to buy a F350 Truck for pizza delivery I would possibly say something like F350's aren't for pizza delivery. Which doesn't mean it can't do the job but it's not the best suited tool for the job.

[@marsMayflower]

@@45eno understood... i'm more commenting on the title of the video, not the spirit

[@Aggressive_Splooge]

@@45eno 7800x3d is $800 in canada.... so the 9900x seems like a better buy.

[@dc300000]

Its really odd to me temp wise the 9900x exceeded the 9950x. With 4 more cores and higher freq and higher TDP and runs cooler?

[@engineerindespair620]

This is the only benchmark video where ive seen the 9950x cooler than the 9900x, all other videos ive seen are the opposite

[@ianischneider9452]

Amazing video and info! Good to see great channels popping up! Cheers from Brazil!

[@MrWubly]

well i have a 5900x and i like to play cpu intense games like mmos, this wouldnt be a new pc build contender?

[@getrekkedon]

how is idle wattage measured. i cant get under 18w idle on 13th gen even with it very undervolted. Granted, it is lower than my 5600x which doesn't go below 27w, but it's nowhere close to the 4-5 watt idles people talk about.

[@markgriffin2285]

So the new CPU’s are more production or work related?

[@kounak1874]

extremely good presentation how y have only 32k subscribers

[@robeytech]

Appreciate it!

[@BigAndTattooed]

Cause people like me that been watching never hit that damn button 😂 but today is the day..

[@robeytech]

lol, thanks!

[@TravisPNW]

@@robeytechYou just popped up in my feed and your voice isn’t annoying… so with that said I just subbed. 👍 I just built with the 9950X/4090 and don’t have any complaints. I do a mix of productivity stuff… 4K video work for the most part with some gaming thrown in. Since we both know the 7800x3D performance falls off a cliff if you do any CPU intensive tasks outside of gaming I was willing to sacrifice a few FPS in order to have the best of both worlds. Cost wasn’t an issue so didn’t consider the 9900X or 7000 series.

[@HaradaYori]

Lack of knowlege..

[@gravef1ghter]

Considering that the new R9 chips destroy my 5900X in either scenario, it's not such a tough call. The price tag, however, is.

[@MrIsmaeltaleb85]

Effing subbed. Nice video brother. Very well worded and spoken.

[@robeytech]

Thanks for the sub!

[@chrisregister8021]

@Robeytech maybe the best video I have seen on processors... phenomenal!!! 😊

[@ryanodneal7001]

Install a fresh OS and retest on gaming, just an idea. Was hoping for some reason to buy this for gaming over 7950X3D but oh well

[@devonefoster105]

I’m staying with my 7800x3d for now unless the 9800x3d change that. 2:02

[@robeytech]

Yeah…

[@devonefoster105]

@@robeytech the only thing I might upgrade now is my GPU from Radeon RX 6950 XT to RTX 4070 ti super.

[@robeytech]

All depends on the games you play. For single player high production value games you can't beat Nvidia.

[@devonefoster105]

@@robeytech I play single and multiplayer games from open world etc at 1440p max settings.

[@ryanodneal7001]

Said you need a fresh Windows OS install to get the chip working right for gaming.

[@straya_au_]

ryzen 9 9900x i wanted to max out my 2nd build that last for years would this still good today

[@opollo]

So to get the best I have to turn off part of the 9950, wtf.

[@iron_ott7156]

i want to upgrade from my x5650 so what then should i buy because want more than 6 cores

[@GrinningJack]

I want to build a one pc streamign setup for an MSI 4090 till this day idk what cpu to get.

[@crstargazer]

Sir. Have you ever gone to someone’s home to do a video on a new higher end pc build. Doing my first build and am confident I can do it. But like your style and workmanship. Wanted to find out your interest for making a video

[@brugj03]

My 9950x Is an excellent gaming cpu, extremely smooth gameplay in hi res gaming. An enourmous upgrade from my previous 5950x, no comparison. If you actually play games on it you will notice. Besides the 9950x is capable of much more than shown in this video, cinebench r23 can easily get to 47000 with some simple tuning.

[@bgtubber]

Good, balanced review. Thanks!

[@Jeffreyhitthat]

7900x 3080 here… my cpu doesn’t buckle no matter what I throw at it.

[@TheEll1994]

thx this was the video i was looking for

[@Ray88G]

Very soon we will see Windows Kernel updayes and Agesa updates which will address all these issues .

[@samplec]

This is the information I've been searching for. Thx.

[@carsongent8420]

@Rodeytech , thanks for your review in one of your reviews could your channel do a virtualiztion (Proxmox) benchmarks, using productivity software I have not seen this on any other channels. Do not care about the 6 or 8 core CPUs. Thanks

[@johnwilliam8366]

Outstanding video! (Although the title is " Not for gaming) I'm updating my 3090. I am asking Micro Center to build my 2nd machine (Lian Li white components) for Microsoft Flight Sim 2024! I have a 4090 (Rog Strix white) waiting on the release of the ASUS X870-8 (White). I was going to buy the 9900X... but after watching your video. I guess I should buy 7900X !

[@Echi_1]

please fix mic static

[@Ray88G]

I subbed . Very good review . If you want to do a gaming review , try Linux - Nobara , POP OS or any other gaming oriented Linux distro . Believe it or not but aparently its better on Linux . And its all because of outdated Windows 11 Kernel and some other stuff . Microsoft is basically gate-keeping AMD

[@rodrigorras]

Wait a minute, you got really good 9700x FPS better than most reviewers. Your 9700x was faster than 14900K right?

[@lopsangdlama]

why is idle temp of 9900x so high

[@dc300000]

Something seems off with those numbers. The 9900 has fewer cores, runs at lower frequencies and has a lower TDP. Seems odd to me

[@joshtheking1772]

Look, you're good at what you do. That is never gonna be argued. CPU's right now are shifting to a different design perspective for the current generational usage scenarios. They are going into a mode of lowering power usage, and yes that includes Intel. New regulations are gonna hit the market come 2026 and ALL manufacturers from NVidia, AMD and Intel are scrambling right now to lower power usage profiles. Combine that with CPU manufacturers locking the chips down so that Mobo Companies can't Force Degrade the chips with infinite power usage. Right now, AMD is in the best spot to stick to the regs and Intel has almost given up on trying to comply. One more thing to note though. 90% of the systems out there are GPU Limited. The cost of GPU's has stifled the need for higher performance CPU's unless you want 6 million frames per second at 1080p.

[@illy984]

what a pointless rant

[@bodasactra]

Where are the 5000X3D? They compete with these parts.

[@robeytech]

We weren’t able to test it in this one, the latter review on the 9900x and 9950x review has it though

[@FyrestormGaming]

Maybe not the best choice for gamers, but its for me, the gamer who does unity and blender and video and gimp and coding :D 9950x chews up almost every other cpu for compute tasks and productivity

[@TheNPCShow]

This channel is definitely on its way to the top 🚀 Good luck buddy! 🤞 Subscribed! 👍

[@twirlygirly]

These CPUs are for video editors, and people who render things out, but they play games just fine. If all you do is play games, yeah, maybe overklll, but if you do work and play, then they are fine.

[@Crossfire2003]

Great video!

[@clark85]

im just going to switch to linux. All these winblows steps are becoming not worth it

[@MMOsForLife]

The AMD core parking complexity is a weak link. BIOS settings, AMD provisioning driver, Game Mode and the Microsoft Game Bar. And it's been revealed the game bar can make mistakes detecting some games. Too many moving parts by different entities. But try your benchmarks at 4K. Yes, by the book it's GPU limited then, but you might be surprised to see the 9950X push that limit higher even compared to the X3D "gaming" CPUs.

[@michaelkeudel8770]

Try those tests on Win 10 or Linux, Windows 11 is gimping the 20+% gains in Zen 5.

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

It's my understanding that the 9000 series works considerably better with Linux.

[@phoenixkingff]

Very very good video i saw in my entire life of processor explanation 🎉🎉❤

[@AndyHenryROGBUILD]

Plan on getting the 9950x for my workstation and the 9950x3d for my gaming build. Both builds already complete just waiting on the CPUs at the moment.

[@robeytech]

Honestly for gaming, I would stay away from the dual CCD x3D chips. So the 9700x3D (unless it's bad) then do the 7800x3D. Parking is not straightforward.

[@KingdomUploader]

So, for gamers, we'd be much better off sticking with the 7900X3D, yeah?

[@robeytech]

Yeah

[@KingdomUploader]

@@robeytech cool, thanks!

[@dreddd7233]

For me as a 4k gamer are 3d cpus nonsense. I have a AMD ryzen 9950x. Last time i played on 1080p was somewhere in 2015. The non 3d 16 core cpu from AMD its the way to go for everyone who play 2k-4k. The whole pc is just faster, app run faster, productivity. Plus is cheaper as the 3ds. I dont know what is this trend and hype behind the 3d cpu witch makes sense only and only with 1080p resolution.

[@Bruh01699]

great video. you explained everything really well, subbed.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

this cpus are not for nobody unless you love to pay 30% more for 5% more performance if that

[@Llun]

Gamers please wait for the 3D versions...

[@dreddd7233]

you mean 1080p gamers right?because in 4k 3d cpus are no diferent only higher price for 3dsx. All 2k 4k gamers should just buy non 3d cpu, total waste of money. Who plays on 1080p today with high end pc?wtf

[@josephfrye7342]

Amd ryzen kinda dropped the ball though for gamers and we have a problem 😕

[@robeytech]

Yep

[@blkspade23]

Did they? Gamers universally have come to recognize that the X3D CPUs are the ones they actually want. No matter how these did in gaming, the X3D ones were always going to be better later down the line. The standard chips target everything else, while still being viable for gaming. Standard Zen 4 barely beats the 5800X3D in gaming, so expecting a different outcome with Zen5 is akin to believing in magic.

[@thecrazylooser7]

I am assembly a workstation so… AMD got my money with the 9900x

[@josephfrye7342]

@@robeytech indeed

[@clark85]

these arent the X3D chips though

[@BigAndTattooed]

Yeah they telling us AMD has been on break for last 2 years. No need say yep. I know

[@MrIsmaeltaleb85]

We had issues with 5000 dual ccd chips when they first launched. We werent born yesterday, these chips like previous zen ones will get ironed out. Its an amd thing. People will bitch and whinge over nothing. If these arent the chips for you, thats a you problem. Plenty of other cpus to choose from.

[@robeytech]

Totally true on plenty to choose from. We just give them the information

[@JMNovak1011]

100% agree with you. These chips were not ready to be launched yet as far as microcoding and OS updating. Would not be surprised at all if in the next few months we start to see an uplift and performance that a lot of the AMD slides were showing. Gaming performance will probably be right at last generation X3D chips when things get ironed out. I think the delay was because at the last moment they kind of found out that things weren't going to look too good. Engineering and marketing departments weren't on the same page and somebody made the decision to push the launch of the chips. Also this is a minor upgrade I think next gen chips will be that big boost that we were expecting

[@HaradaYori]

Great for Gamers. This is why you don't do drugs kids.

[@Gortok1]

Bigger number means faster, RIGHT? Not so much...8 core is king for gaming. Keep it that way. Gotta do the business, productivity, creative stuff? Do the R9

[@Jose-og909]

Lol there is nothing wrong in air cooling the 9950x

[@westfield90]

I’m looking forward to arrow lake now

[@TheDaveyd29]

JUST FOR THE 3D SKU'S TO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF INTEL YEH OK DUDE LMAO

[@clark85]

for more degradation yay

[@illy984]

@@TheDaveyd29more all caps, shill

[@TheDaveyd29]

@@illy984 cant add more dumb ass

[@aleksandargurzan]

Not for anyone...I slept all Ryzen.. from what I see now I will go Intel

[@annebokma4637]

I don't trust Intel CPU's to keep working. Never had a problem with AMD. In fact still running an FM 2 system, though that does need retirement 😂

[@aleksandargurzan]

​@@annebokma4637fx-8300

[@dunsled]

I’m really hoping someone sees this, but I just purchased a 9900x for 320. Should I have spent 30 more to get a 7800x3d? I mainly game, but I want to have capabilities of multitasking and doing whatever it is I need to do when I need to do it. To note, when I game, I would like to run multilple at once (2-3), having one or two games running in the background while I’m playing something like Fortnite, CS, Val, etc (cpu reliant games)

[@zeabobql3923]

Reading the comments i see there's alot of fools

[@KN-592]

All hail sensei

[@robeytech]

Thanks 🙏

[@dexxfilm]

Gamers, not every CPU is made for you.

[@smizzlecloud]

I upgrade from a 5800x3d to 9900x and my god there’s a difference. It was a bit pricey because I bought a new mobo strix x670 and gen 5 ssd and ddr5😢

[@freedomination2]

Ya, but who runs their games at 200+ fps???? Your PC would become a heater!

[@coolbydefault]

of course its not for GAMERS.. there not the X3D SKU'S lol wtf