AMD Ryzen 9 9950X CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 7950X, 9700X, 14900K, & More

[@GamersNexus]

Watch our AMD Zen 5 Efficiency Problem video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKiviYSkj8-WoLc Our 9900X review is up here, featuring a new test: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWqVY6Jnlq2kipo Watch our Zen 5 architectural basics video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH_PgaGoqrGZoK8 And learn more about the new methods and the 9700X here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKXXlJKfpMuffdE And support us on the store! store.gamersnexus.net/

[@zvenlin]

as each hardware generation becomes more and more crazy ( because marketing is trash and ask silly numbers instead of doing actual work ) tech Jesus is becoming a wise white bearded relentless tester ! You tell em how mad they all are !

[@Trampus10-4]

Have you tried project lasso in any tests? I have a 7900x3d and have utilized lasso to my advantage. Wonder if you have looked into it?

[@icy2527]

Hey Steve, could you test the new 9xxx series vs 7xxx,5xxx, intel 14th gen on air cooling? I think the new 9xxx should have advantage over 7xxx and 14th gen on air cooled systems due to efficiency and prolong the boost clock for longer time.

[@robertmckee9272]

Disappointing that you didn't include the 7950X3D in your charts. It would have been interesting to see the difference between the 7950X3D and 9950X, especially in gaming benchmarks.

[@billkillernic]

As the performance uplift in linux is tremendously higher + CPU test have ben done on what technically last gen mobos (designed with zen4 in mind ) + AMD releasing an AGESA update for the 9700x I think that there are some either mobo/bios or windows scheduler related issues here(or both) that didnt make zen 5 shine yet, I hope that reviewers will take that into account and do some future retests with the new agesa or at least when x870 mobo release.

[@korhanaydemir8366]

I'm so glad that AMD is putting out CPUs that is competitive with the 5600x3D in gaming.

[@GamersNexus]

5000X3D has been crazy good!

[@markh4750]

True comment for the 9700X and 9600X, but let's face it, people shouldn't be buying the 9950X solely for gaming. It's a production CPU that can perform pretty well in gaming when needed.

[@flimermithrandir]

@@GamersNexus 5500X3D is also happening as it seems btw. AM4ever is real. (They should have actually taken that Slogan and marketed it)

[@goldenhate6649]

Its more budget friendly to go the 7800 or 7900x3d from microcenter right now than the 5800

[@emiliovalencia1618]

@@flimermithrandir”AM4ever” lol nice

[@c1p0]

AMD can't beat AMDx3D

[@GamersNexus]

Not a bad problem to have for gaming. Curious how the next one will do, though. 7800X3D will be hard to beat.

[@ipadize]

@@GamersNexus hopefully the 9800X3D will beat it, because i dont like to wait for nothing :P

[@schnitz5450]

​@@ipadizecope

[@Atilolzz]

I feel like they will allow OC on 9000x3D simply because it will be same fast stock. So you need to manually OC yourself to maybe get 5 to 10% more performance? Maybe?

[@TonyMasters-u2w]

because Zen 5 is using the same 6nm I/O die as for Zen 4 which was bottlenecking even Zen4 that's why even PBO doesn't help because I/O die limits memory bandwidth and that's why X3D chips are much faster Simply I/O die is a Memory bottleneck

[@QuantumS1ngularity]

Man, i can't wait for the most anticipated showdown - 5800X3D vs 7800X3D vs 9800X3D. This is the benchmark everyone cares about.

[@anonymouscommentator]

i personally am more interested in the multithreadding performance 😅

[@drishalballaney6590]

@@anonymouscommentator same here, I am more interested in productivity benchmarks like code compilation

[@xellr]

​@@drishalballaney6590which cpus are better for that?

[@drishalballaney6590]

@@xellr it's usually 900x or the 950x series

[@ProVishGaming]

And my 13600k curbstomps them all. AMDip fan 😂😂😂

[@johni-db4xv]

I was one of the people going through the stages of grief after the first zen 5 video. I have now come to accept zen 5 performance for what it is and that one day we will all die and everything will become dust. Thank you for helping me see, Master GN.

[@TheShadDrag]

Underrated comment!

[@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt]

From sand to sand.

[@GSBarlev]

_filings to filings,_ _rust to rust_

[@GamersNexus]

Well, when you put it that way...

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

"If the brand I like has a refresh generation then my world collapses" Do fanboys really think like this?

[@andremessado7659]

You guys leaving the 7950X3D out of these tests are killing me.

[@HellPedre]

me too, its the one Im eyeing to buy :(

[@bartegexe8182]

The reason why is because it's a pain in the ass to set up probably If you want an optimal for gaming 7950X3D you turn off CCD1 and let it run only CCD0 You'll get slightly more performance than the 7800X3D because you have 250 Megahertz more

[@OoonoTv]

@@bartegexe8182 Sure however they address this at the start of the video then just completely leave it out of the test. It is a mistake because it's still a valid option if you're willing to deal with it.

[@bartegexe8182]

@@OoonoTv Oh I agree with you, I just got it myself It's a pain in the ass to set up But the performace returns seem somewhat worth it

[@andremessado7659]

@@bartegexe8182 This is oooold news. I have a 7950X3D and so long as you have the X3D driver installed and windows up to date it the scheduler works fine. Nothing special needed. I have tested games on the X3D cores only and running normally and there is no difference or I get slightly better performance with all cores enabeld.

[@labmasterx5599]

Everybody being conflicted about zen5 until 2 AMD engineers appear on camera with liquid nitrogen and an RBG pot

[@GamersNexus]

They always make the XOC side of things fun! Good learning opportunity, too.

[@munchkinmatt1670]

LN2 XOC with AMD is so fun, though! 😅

[@brooklyn9291]

E and the5b e

[@shaneeslick]

@@GamersNexus Yeah some more 🥶Top Cool CPU Drag Racing🥶🧔with Amit & Bill would be cool

[@InformedZoomer]

A Ruth Bader Ginsburg pot?

[@Dudi4PoLFr]

This year disappointment t-shirt will be sold only in XXL size or bigger because there will be so much stuff to put on it...

[@zivzulander]

Might just need to be a blanket at this rate

[@smilingbandit6900]

@@zivzulander make it a tent^^

[@B0BBYGAMER]

Just wait till the gpus come out may need a billboard

[@buggerlugz6753]

It should be a wall mounted tapestry in 2024

[@EhNothing]

2024 bug fumigation tent of disappointment? 2024 hot air balloon of disappointment?

[@PadPoet]

Got a used 7950X two weeks ago for 320 euros. Was a bit sceptical at the time but glad I went ahead, especially after checking all the reviews. Thanks Steve!

[@N4CR]

a steal lol

[@lucazani2730]

​@@N4CR fr I think 320 dollars for a 7950 x is more than a steal

[@PadPoet]

@@N4CR It’s a good price if you’re in any EU country.

[@PadPoet]

@@abaj006 I’m sure it excels at certain tasks but for what I do, the 7950X is great value. Curious to see how these 9000 chips perform on the new X870e chipset.

[@m8x425]

it was prob used for Qubic mining, which went nowhere

[@PMARC14]

That cross CCX Latency is so bad, biggest regression this gen, and it appears on Strix Point as well (no leaving silicon on that one). Hopefully this changes for Zen 6 or an LLC is added. No wonder they added the core parking requirement this gen, in the past you might take a light hit but now the difference is massive.

[@KingSvenDeluxe]

I have acquired a sacrificial goat and the moon is in the correct alignment, time to park those cores.

[@Zapdos0145]

AMD is suuuuch a gentleman when it comes to giving their competitors a level playing field.

[@crazycoffee]

"We got our foot back in the market so we aren't going to go full steam. We will bring stuff to the table but not as hardcore as a few years ago."

[@betag24cn]

apart from the joke, it is true, intel is who never plays clean

[@snaker9er]

breathe through your nose

[@thewildcard600]

@@crazycoffee the foot went back into their mouth

[@mrpandamania]

@@snaker9erthis is a crazy insult holy

[@dadasky6699]

Zen 5% indeed

[@GamersNexus]

Just saw this comment for the first time yesterday. It's a good one.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@GamersNexus what if Zen 4 is Maxed out on IPC though? (based on same games it is just that) that 5% may look bad to you, but being a whole redone front end & enlargement is actually impressive. It would be like starting off from the original Zen point & to go for 5 more improvements. Remember the last time AMD tried to improve the front end was FX/Bulldozer, we know what happened there they dropped IPC instead on an increase. I would look at Zen 5 as new start point for even high IPC from the front-end redesign. My point is Zen 5 on up could go just like going from Zen to Zen + to Zen 2 on up.

[@israellewis5484]

​@@kevinerbs2778 I think Zen is just hitting a limit with the design. The. Cross CCX is causing issues still, there is a loss in performance. IF might need to become a 3D plane.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@israellewis5484 I don't know adding Pan4/3/2 waves to infinity Fabric sounds horrible to deal with for engineering point as the synchronization problems would be a nightmare. I think the bit rate of the Infinity fabric needs to be widened at the minim though cause it's 32b reads in & 16b out for writes from CCD to I/O die Meanwhile Zen 5 caches have all been widen for double bandwidth while the Infinity fabric they all eventually use hasn't. Though you could just add more infinity fabric links Adding more IF links like some Threadrippers have would just increase cost though, as each link cost extra die space.

[@Dommifax]

@@israellewis5484 3D plane sounds like an oxymoron

[@Alovon]

Honestly all this shows is more how the 7800X3D may be AMD's equivalent to tbe 1080Ti. A constant thorn in the side by being *too* good for the price and especially as it ages. - Constantly dropping into the 300$-400$ Price range - No core parking problems - Supreme Gaming Performance - 65W average power draw - Workstation Performance that usually lies within striking distance of the 5900X and at worst is around the speed of the 3900X which is more than enough for 90% of users in MT

[@jimmer411]

It's going to be their 290x. Expect identical performance with efficiency improvements for the few generations.

[@iamhumanOWO]

If is a thorn can't they just stop producing? Crossing my fingers tho cuz I'm gunning for that as well

[@rustler08]

@@iamhumanOWO It's not really a thorn, that is being a bit hyperbolic. The reality is that AM4 to AM5 was just a large jump in performance because AMD had a big change, and Zen 4 to Zen5 simply is not because it's a generational change on the same platform.

[@notlikethis9932]

#thegoat

[@BiologistRyan]

Looks like it’s still not quite time for me to jump off my 3900x am4 just yet and save for a 5090 or something.

[@YourSkyliner]

4:52 AMD acting like it is even remotely okay to push a product to market that requires this - frankly insane - level of user intervention *just to work properly* - when the average consumer doesn't even know how to open the command prompt.

[@joshjlmgproductions3313]

To be fair, this is an enthusiast-level CPU, which will primarily be bought by PC enthusiasts who will be able to do that without issue (they're already updating drivers, BIOSes and installing programs to control fan speed and/or RGB). It would be a much bigger issue if that were the case with a budget chip. That being said, it would definitely be much better if all of that wasn't required.

[@finneogan]

@@joshjlmgproductions3313 How many PC enthusiasts of that stripe are not gamers though? Are there people outside of a handful of content creators who get their rocks off compressing and decompressing zips for hours? Because on the side of professional productive use I see even less motivation, capability, energy and time to jump through those hoops.

[@doggSMK]

This CPU is NOT for avarage users lol

[@erkinalp]

@@finneogan it doesn't require those hoops on linux

[@jamesm568]

Believe it or not Intel still looks good with a little risk involved, but nothing a warranty can't handle.

[@theftking]

This game bar stuff is super stupid and a huge turn off. They need to just figure this out the way Intel did with the efficiency cores (but without being Intel CPUs). They need a way to inherently determine when a process would benefit from less cores at higher clocks and just _do it,_ Nike style, no crazy configs required. It should be built into Windows.

[@-Ninnux-]

The thing is that only Microsoft can really solve this problem. Just look at the steps required to make these CPUs run the way they should. AMD had to develop all these things simply because Microsoft is too lazy to develop decent support for multiple CCDs CPUs.

[@erkinalp]

except such an algorithm would be superlinear (taking more time to operate than to actually run the process and see, and more than linearly so)

[@theftking]

@@-Ninnux-not saying it's AMD's fault, but it _is_ their problem.

[@-Ninnux-]

@@theftking then I misunderstood you, sorry. Of course you’re right then.

[@HellPedre]

WOOORRDDD

[@zt_zane2552]

AMD's ability to keep releasing new cpus to advertise for the 5800x3d and 7800x3d is impressive

[@TheSapphireflyer]

when will people understand that not everyone uses these cpus for gaming. No one in their right mind would buy a X3D CPU for design, simulations, rendering. The 9950x tops the charts (not by a lot) in a lot of the productive tests. If you dont care about gaming, why buy a 7800X3D, which is worse in almost all productive tests?

[@chy.0190]

@@TheSapphireflyer the 7950x exists and is not a lot worse (actually similar performance in some productivity tasks) than the 9950x. After price drops it will be even more appealing over 9950x.

[@majkosk8x]

@@TheSapphireflyer lets see... maybe 9800x3d or 9900x3d won't be a routine.. changes can happen

[@saltedllama2759]

You mean like when Intel would arbitrarily change their socket on an annual basis and raise the price of their newly named chips despite getting no better performance? Yeah, welcome to the dominant brand in a space doing nothing with their time and money.

[@tilapiadave3234]

5800X3D ,, worlds MOST overhyped , wasted of sand

[@Raika63]

I feel like it's wild that core parking as a solution made it through to a production part. Anything that requires even that much user intervention just feels like it is going to have a dicey success rate.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

Core parking is absolutely fine for the dual CCD X3D parts (proper scheduling is a software issue that Microsoft *should* have solved by now with how long heterogenous x86 systems have been around but in the absence of the Windows scheduler being up to snuff chipset drivers are a fine solution). What's got me beat though is why a solution intended for a fairly niche product like the dual CCD X3D parts is suddenly necessary on Zen 5 even when both CCDs are symmetrical. Zen 4 never needed core parking for any configuration with matched cores, only for the mixed chiplet parts.

[@mikezappulla4092]

@@bosstowndynamics5488so you agree it’s still a problem to have this much intervention. Got it.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@mikezappulla4092 At this stage, sure, but it's a problem with the Windows scheduler that AMD is having to work around. Of note - core parking is not required to get maximum performance on Linux because the Linux scheduler handles CCDs properly

[@Zebraman-]

There's a thread on Reddit saying the 9950x has unusually large cross-CCD latency compared to the 7950x. Maybe the scheduling is required on the 9950x because of this? Just my thoughts

[@ms3862]

@@bosstowndynamics5488it's needed for zen5 because Amandtech has shown core to core latency is 3x higher on Zen5 vs Zen4, so with Zen5 you lose a lot of gaming performance if the game goes across CCDs

[@ToastyCubes]

I love that one of your benchmarks is testing how long it takes to render your logo animation. That's really cool

[@terabit.]

I'm still a happy owner of the 5950X beast ! (Since Jun2 2022). 4 x sticks of 32GB = 128GB RAM (3600MHz at 16-16-16-39) ASRock RX 6900 XT OC Formula ! Mobo: Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master ! (not for gaming - i hate games) I'm a professional programmer and it is my precious Workstation !!!

[@leechburglights]

Still on the 5950x But looking to upgrade now. Asrock x370 Taichi 64gb RAM GTX 1060 3GB (no gaming only programming and rendering). Still on Windows 10. PC was compiled from 2017-2018 and finally started using summer 2018. Upgraded from the 1800x to the 3900x in July 2020, then to the 5950x in July 2022. Good system, buy I'm ready for AM5. I got every bit of juice squeezed from AM4 😂

[@terabit.]

@@leechburglights Good for you ! You definitely deserve an upgrade !!! ❤ But wait a little bit to see how the X870E chipset "binds" with the new 9950X before you upgrade !

[@stelar9999]

Pretty much same rig just got nvidia 3090 ti and 64 gbs 5000 mhz for gaming

[@tonygeddes9558]

Very happy with my 7800X3D. No need to change it anytime soon!

[@gezimlimoni2319]

Same same

[@jemborg]

Ditto. -30mV undervolt, PBO too 🤘

[@Bubby91]

if you were really expecting this to be anywhere close to being better than the 7800x3d, than i dont know what to say lol...

[@iLegionaire3755]

Agreed as a Ryzen 7 7800X3D owner, 7800X3D>>>9950X currently. I'm waiting for CES 2025 when the 9800X3D and 9950X3D launch!

[@DrakesMOD-ii4qf]

You will not be disappointed with this year's disappointment T-shirt

[@GamersNexus]

There are going to be a lot of options.

[@mattrogers6646]

​@@GamersNexusPlease make a Fearless Leader / Box Tester Snowflake shirt. I will buy the hell out of it.

[@masterluckyluke]

@@GamersNexus You need two T-Shirts this year. One Intel exclusive and one for the rest.^^

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

@@GamersNexus I hope there's enough room for "9950X requires Microsoft game bar" lol

[@TheRogueWolf]

At this rate it's gonna be a smock.

[@williamcll]

I would rather wait for the X3D model

[@GamersNexus]

Very curious to see how that does!

[@Tobiasliese]

Nah I hate the idea of having diffrent cores. Especially when it comes to linux support. So the non 3d version should be less error prone.

[@Aquaquake]

Either that or just wait for Arrow Lake, it's hard to imagine it not being significantly better than Zen 5 at this point, the bar is so low they would have to crawl to get under it.

[@Voyajer.]

​@@TobiaslieseI haven't run into any issues with my 7950X3D in Linux, but maybe I just hadn't noticed

[@aphleesegurtra2820]

@@Voyajer. I was thinking this, then I read your comment, Cheers!

[@Kknewkles]

I swear to God. How many times had AMD screwed up situations when both Intel and Nvidia were exposed to them?... Basically every goddamn time the opportunity is not taken advantage of.

[@Zapdos0145]

literally too many to count

[@Demonkingx5]

AMD is the democrats of PC industry. Always gotta find a way to screw up a good opportunity 🤡

[@LeConseilDuRap]

Because they are friends. Everything is rigged

[@eddieliao1500]

Literally every single time 🤣

[@remo7846]

in this case its more AMD vs AMD(x3d) these new cpus are just insentivising people to buy an x3d instead lol. idk if this is what AMD wants but money is money i guess 🤣

[@Choralone422]

So to sum up the video & entire AMD Zen 5 reviews quickly: Buy the 9950X is you focus on workstation/production/rendering and be sure to enable core parking. Buy the 7950X if you are more budget conscious. Buy any 6 or 8 core X3D CPU if you focus on gaming. For those using a CPU for heavy workstation type work the price becomes less important. Time is money in those situations and the price difference of $100-200 dollars doesn't mean as much. It was also nice to see a clear performance uplift in that use case between Zen 4 and Zen 5. Much as Steve said the performance uplift is similar to between Zen 2 and Zen 3. Much of the uplift between Zen 3 and Zen 4 was due to the platform change in addition to CPU architecture improvements.

[@orbedus2542]

Why is the 7950x3D missing from almost every single comparison chart??

[@rumenstoynev3888]

Because other than efficiency and gaming performance it's a 7950x but a weaker productivity score. I suspect that's why. And you need to park the cores

[@darkfeeels]

Hey Steve, regarding the Financial Services test, those are very useful for investment firms and hedge funds and portfolio managers. Those models need to run on massive scale of statistical data for analysis. The result provides the ballpark estimate of the results for the tested variable like interest rates, option prices etc. I hope that helps a bit :)

[@adriancioroianu1704]

From a gamer's POV When i see differences between 1 and 15 fps, tested with a 4090 at 1080p, for basically all the cpu's in the last 3-4 gens i wonder why i even watch reviews anymore since all cpu's perform basically the same if you are a normal user with a balanced pc.

[@RadialSeeker113]

Seen the 7800x3d or 5800x3d in launch?

[@kendragon2827]

Lol. Good joke, but 4090 loves 7800x3d at 1080p, 1440p, and 3440x1440. It's way more than 1 to 15 fps.

[@adriancioroianu1704]

@@RadialSeeker113 Yes, and they are in line with what i said and with all cpu's in the last 3 gens at least (for both amd and intel) IF you have a balanced pc (doesn't even matter the tier level - 1080p, 1440p or 4k and anything inbetween - as long as it isn't hugely disproportionate like a 4090 at 1080p). There is a lot of hype that doesn't translate to anything irl for most gamers, regarding cpu's. The differences are insignificant. Notice that they don't even do other type of cpu comparisons anymore in the reviews other than with a 4090 at 1080p because you won't see anything if they take actual normal gaming usecases. Cpu's are hugely overhyped for gamers. Not even power usage is interesting since even a 14900k uses less than 100w in games if you know how to use it. And i don't care if my cpu consumes 95w rather than 45w, literally couldn't care less. In conclusion, as a gamer you can skip all the hype with cpu's for like 5 years at a time, not losing anything except if you want to reach 500fps to match a 500hz refresh rate as an e-sports player, which amounts to probably 0,000001% of the gamers.

[@pedro.alcatra]

Then you are wrong. Unfortunately

[@holdenhodgdon3756]

I have an R7 2700 & a 4070 super (recently upgraded from a 1080): I get 4k / 120 with ultra on most everything & 1440p / 120 with ultra on modern AAA like First Decendant & Cyberpunk. I spent $366 for the CPU + MB + 8gb ram + a 500gb m.2 in 2018 ... Hard to argue with that value.

[@hotwings6918]

I always buy last gen stuff regardless and encourage people as well. Cheaper, same performance, most if not all issues/bugs ironed out and gone.

[@m8x425]

we certainly have come full circle to where there is very little performance between last Gen's stuff and the current Gen.

[@hotwings6918]

@@m8x425 id say we already have came to the point where cpus are too powerful. There just simply isnt a good reason if you have a rig with the flagship parts within 3 years to upgrade within another 7 or more years.

[@MrEcksDeah]

Loving your videos recently, total side note you smiled a lot more in your older videos! Why no 7950X3D in your gaming benchmarks?

[@theodegioanni]

I think you are neglecting many use cases when you recommend avoiding the 7950X3D. I run one in my main computer that I use both for large compile jobs and occasional gaming. The 7950X3D is excellent in that setting as it is equivalent to the 7950X when compiling (with saner power defaults!) and performs amazingly when playing Factorio, like any computer engineer should. I do not know of a CPU better suited for this.

[@janlat]

Seconding this. 7950X3D seems like a really good combination for people that like doing both. Looking at tests done by JayzTwoCents and Hardware Unboxed it's essentially an i9 alternative with half the power draw (and less BSODs!)

[@zivzulander]

There might be "many use cases" but it's still a smaller segment of even the Gamers Nexus audience. And that segment tends to already know if they'd benefit from using that type of jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type of CPU.

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

We need Factorio benchmarks added!

[@HellPedre]

Im so with you it hurts. Ive been researching for months now, and I found that *when taking power consumption into consideration*, for a creator that also likes to play whats better than the x3d version? also, no one literally is benchmarking Unreal, which is both a production software and a game engine so taking it into account too, the x3d is just basically a no brainer

[@AdamChalmers]

Ok the Chromium compile bench is the only one i care about, and that one was good news.

[@complete-mayhem-x64]

Wow! What a super power efficient CPU!!! I think I'll just keep my 5950x for awhile longer.

[@MrHeHim]

This is a nice boat we're on 👍 Have you had stability issues at idle? I've had to turn off c-states and Cool n' Quiet as a precaution recently. It's been getting hard locks with no blue screen and apparently tons of people have the same issue. Otherwise 100% stable now PBO -25 all cores, +200MHz, +0.095v Benchmarks and temps are the same from day one about 3 years ago

[@rustler08]

Ew, imagine.

[@notmyfaultthisishappening3795]

@@rustler08losah

[@complete-mayhem-x64]

@@MrHeHim mine has been rock solid. Haven't had to make any changes from stock. It's my workstation so I haven't undervolted or overclocked this one.

[@ContemptuousCornbread]

​​​@@MrHeHim Your PBO negative offset may be too aggressive. I was getting random reboots (only during idle) when my 5950X's PBO offset for Core 7 was anywhere below -2. Other cores of mine could do -10, or possibly lower but I've never bothered to lower them. I had a somwhat similar issue with a 2700X when the Core voltage negative offset was a little too aggressive, causing system lockups only during idle.

[@vexmyth0clast]

My 7800X3D will hold me down for a long time. Definitely passing on all of these new CPUs.

[@bublybublybubly]

When is the last time a PC / CPU generational upgrade made any sense? 20 years ago? These aren't for you and were never meant for you. Thanks for sharing! 🙄

[@sourish_sanju]

If you play valorant by any chance, what is the cpu render time? If u also use a amd gpu (please mention) what is the gpu render time. Would appreciate it, I am trying to build one soon

[@vexmyth0clast]

@@bublybublybubly thanks for sharing your pointless comment 🤷 goes both ways lol

[@gman9552]

You definitely don't upgrade each generation, unless you like throwing money away. I am maybe considering the 9800X3D and I am on 5800X3D.

[@N4CR]

@@gman9552 only gpus matter to generationally upgrade if 4k

[@svenriedel6696]

Hey Steve, any plans on a crossover episode with Project Farm? "And the intel cpu can melt the ice black in 2 minutes 33 seconds. Impressive. And the intel cpu is made in the US." ;)

[@Tystros]

Thanks for including comparisons against the 7950X, 5950X and 3950X and highlighting them in every chart! That't really the important ones. I would be curious to also see some benchmark results without doing the correct core parking configuration? I have the feeling most people will not know they have to manually do those steps. It would be very good to know how much performance is lost then. In productivity it should still be the same, just games would be worse, right?

[@OzMuGu]

Hey Steve, I always wondered what would modern cpu's achieve in combined workloads like gaming + streaming, gaming + file compression/decompresion etc. I think we can agree to know that higher the thread count better the result would be, but what kind of difference would be there is something to look for. Hope you can do this kind of stuff in the future.

[@GamersNexus]

Did those tests a long time ago! Haven't in a while. Maybe can try to revive them.

[@teo20515]

I'm also very interested to see that when running a client + server on the same machine. Being the tech savvy one I'm always hosting servers for friends and I'm curious to see what helps the most in this situation

[@peterers3]

@@GamersNexus pls just take some rest Steve, you work too much!

[@flamestoyershadowkill]

​@@GamersNexusalso ps3 emulation would be a good test for intensive gaming.

[@alexandre.leites]

​@@GamersNexusI would love to see these combined workload tests when the X3D variants arrive. It is common to gamers run the game, streaming tools, discord and chrome in background. For someone staying on 8700K and in need of an upgrade, I would love to know if I ahould go with 9800X3D or 9950X3D in the future to accommodate my background tasks, or if this is worthy

[@sagehero]

Am I crazy for just going with the 7950x3d anyways? It sounds to me like if you have a mixed workload, you're gaming + streaming and video editing the clips, it might make sense?

[@kylelucero5306]

I would say no you’re not crazy. I use 7950x3D for 3D modeling and some gaming on the side. A lot of people over exaggerate the performance increases in multicore for the 7950x and the core parking situations on the x3D really hasn’t been an issue for me when gaming. People are always looking for the “optimal” cpu and for whatever reason say you can’t or shouldn’t purchase a certain CPU because it’s for “gaming” or it’s for “productivity” only.

[@BigMan7o0]

Nope thats the best choice imo. I'm on a 5950x so if I wasn't happy and wanted an upgrade I would ABSOLUTELY be going 7950x3D.

[@xXEPIKgamerXx]

You are literally just buying the best workhorse consumer CPU and the best gaming consumer CPU and sticking them together to use either as you please in 1 system, for the same cost of both CPUs. If you need both, its the most efficient option. Its not like bonkers crazy more efficient, but it is a no brainer.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

Honestly the only reason you would be crazy is if you went with a 14900k for anything other than a free chip for a secondary gaming PC. Even if the 9950x were a lot faster than the 7950x3d, the latter is still a very fast CPU for anything that a consumer platform should be used for. If it does what you need it to do in a timely manner without cooking itself then it's a good choice, and the 7950x3d should do that very easily in your case (tbh the 7800x3d probably would too but the 7950 might render out videos faster)

[@shootingstar7896]

Much less crazy than 14900k users who are still defensive after instability issue exposed.

[@mz1929]

"Thanks Steve"

[@microwaveoven2]

Back to you Steve

[@antontaylor4530]

This meme must never die. Our descendants must carry on the legacy.

[@metatech1428]

Gamers Nexus should create user guides for popular MOBO and CPU combos. Best BIOS settings, OS settings etc.

[@speaker1264]

JayzTwoCents actually put a great video out yesterday on how to get core parking to work without reinstalling windows and test that it is working. But, I also read in the comments about someone who has it set in the bios to always prefer the higher frequency CCD and then use process lasso to make sure games are on the higher cache CCD to avoid core parking entirely, which sounds like a good idea too.

[@whatwelearned]

I had a 3700x until a week ago. Saw the weak AM5 reviews and got a 5700x3d instead. Happy.

[@rustler08]

So, instead of getting the vastly superior 7800X3D and being able to upgrade to a 9000-series and 11000-series, you got an AM4? Oof.

[@whatwelearned]

@@rustler08 There's a £125 delta between those things, and my needs aren't great, so yes. Glad you're happy with my decision.

[@KAMS-r3s]

I'm on 1st zen 1800x , lol , was gonna build new pc with zen5 but now I'm gonna go with zen4 7800x3d , in gaming it's beast over 20% faster than zen5 , also zen4 stuff is cheaper . Gonna have 3x faster pc soon , oh yeahhhhhhh so excited 😊

[@MarioCRO]

Love the qoutes from the script 😀😀

[@wohnai]

2:36 missed a chance to say "it's got a cut corner without cutting corners"

[@joshm7401]

Awesome review. Thank you for including the older 3950x in this!

[@TechGuyBeau]

Laughs in 7950x bought for $400 CAD ($291 usd). The best thing about these new AMD CPUs is how they dropped the price of “last gen” so much. Slapped on eco mode 105 watts for that massive temp drop with no impact to performance (ala GN eco mode video). Efficient, powerful, and cost effective

[@Qwickxilver]

Am confused in 7950x and 9950x 😓

[@l3xforever]

Honestly, 9950x looks about what I’ve expected it to be: significant mt performance uplift with full-width avx-512 support. Makes it worth to upgrade from 5950x. Now I’m just waiting for 9800x3d benchmarks to see if I want to sacrifice the compile times a bit for better gaming performance.

[@trevorbarney1796]

gaming performance will be negligible compared to whats already available on the market. Gaming CPUs have kind of flatlined, it's more about the gains of inches there.

[@fleurdewin7958]

@@trevorbarney1796 You won't know for sure. The thing about 9800X3D is that AMD enable OC support which previous generations X3D chips are all locked. With that kind of IPC for purely gaming workload , clockspeed increase will give you a bigger boost in performance.

[@teknologyguy5638]

@5:40 - Steps 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7 core parking procedure.

[@Insert_Screename_Here]

Recently buying a 7800x3d still seems like it was the best choice... Also, I'm old enough to remember when Steve didn't have gray hair. 😂😂😂

[@juanmacias4854]

Thanks for the update! Waiting for the 9950X review and RTX5080. This puts to rest the CPU questions, definitively going with 7800X3D, I use it for financial analysis (mostly stock graphs analysis), search engine routines and definitively gaming. Lay back retired work, lol. Appreciate the in depth review and flag of needing to make changes to Windows for the 9950X.

[@UnluckyNewbie]

I change my 14600k kit for 7800x3d - And im loving it ! It spend 16w on CPU in horizon zero dawn 2k ultra/75fps cap ! It's insane!

[@haakoflo]

7800X3D is power limited due to the cache. With the new architecture, power consumption is lower. I expect the 9800X3D to get very good reviews.

[@haukionkannel]

True... But those are just rumours that 3d cache can run with higher power.... So will wait tests. But there seems to be good chance that 9800x3d will be better jump than 9700x is.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

That's a good point, might be able to get higher clocks if there's no other issues at play

[@lunawense6288]

It's not as efficient as your thinking. The non x parts were basically identical in efficiency to the zen 5 x parts. And gaming power usage is nearly identical. Hardware unboxed and some others have clarified this. It only looks good in certain benchmarks.

[@mellowthm566]

Thr real difference will be in its ability to overclock like rumors and announcements claim. Since PBO on the 7700 vs 9700 are about 5-10% I'd expect at most a similar improvement in gaming maybe more if it clocks higher than 7800. And perhaps the 9700x and 9800 3d will be closer in performance benchmarks. Unless the 3-cache is hugely upgraded it'll be small gains like all of 9000. This is like ryzen 2000 not Zen 3.

[@haakoflo]

@@mellowthm566 The 7700X is clocked at 400Mhz more than the 7800X3D. The 9800X3D could perhaps be clocked the same as the 7700, maybe even have some kind of PBO enabled.

[@schnitz5450]

Thanks Steve! Back to you Steve!

[@CMak3r]

Thanks for detailed review and your hard work! The thing is that there’s not so many channels that do reviews specifically for production related applications, but your reviews are accurate and on point

[@fardin_sama4620]

dear Steve , thank you and your team for all of works you have done in days / weeks and years ago . im about to buy a pc after years of saving ( yeah its hard to save money in my country ) , and after all of these years of being a GN follower , now i can proudly say that im gonna go and buy my pc parts , hand picked wisely all because i know every thing i had to know cus i've learned all of them from you thank you , love you and your team from iran

[@chrisvandijk99]

Cheers Steve and Team great data! doing a new build for office pc just ordered the 9950X coming from a 8700K i feel like it is a mega update.

[@sbrader97]

AMD fumbled so hard why didnt they just launch X3D straight away this time

[@Xyler94]

Better question: Why would they need to? If you know, you'll wait. If you need the cores more than the Cache, you'll buy these. It ain't that difficult. Intel isn't exactly giving them a reason to launch an x3D part right now. Not being an AMD Apologist... but people need to be reminded that AMD's a business.

[@mariuspuiu9555]

at least this time they are launching the x3D chips faster. it should be around nov/dec 2024. intel is also expected to launch around oct/dec 2024 (the "leaks" have it either oct or dec)

[@ariffinsetya]

it was very similar when 7000 series comes out, 5800x3d so good that they was on par at best. they also don't gaslight people to buy now, as most people know that they will release x3d version later and if you're gamer who wants the top performance, you can wait for that. for most without top gpu, these are fine, we will be gpu bound most of the time for gaming, but if you need cpu power these parts still upgrade, especially for workstation usecase, these parts sip power.

[@ChrisLightbulb]

Seems like they need some time to iron out the performance issues before releasing the X3D.

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

most likely because the architecture or the manufacturing is not ready. The X3D chips are always released later.

[@Ultimatebubs]

Does anyone else find these separate NDA release dates for each chip super annoying?

[@rustler08]

They were likely delaying due to issues.

[@lqm_lastquartermoon]

100% annoyed. Yes, problem can and does happen right before launch day, but it still does not make the mess 'not a mess'.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@lqm_lastquartermoonAlso, let's be real, Nvidia does this all the damn time and it works for them by stretching the period of time they're in the headlines for, so inevitably AMD was going to have to start doing it too (it's annoying, but like many annoying marketing tricks it also works)

[@TheShadDrag]

Kinda glad they didn't release all 4 on the same day tbh, would have been even more hell for reviewers and would have been harder to watch all the content and digest it.

[@GamersNexus]

No, they're great. I'd be dead in the ground if we didn't have the time to work on these -- AMD only realistically gave us 4-5 days with each part. Everyone would have rushed reviews out with even less time per part. That efficiency testing would have never happened.

[@zero_udk]

For me making videos working in blender and playing games I'm super happy with my 7900x3d. Zero issues zero complaints

[@TFHavingFun]

Does the 3D version help in your blender workflow, such as geo nodes and eevee shader compilation stuff? Or should I just get a regular 7900x or 7950x?

[@TheSapphireflyer]

@@TFHavingFun the X3D CPUs are optimized for gaming. The added Cache does nothing for something like Blender. If you mainly focus on blender and only do gaming on the side, get a non X3D Version. So I would recommend (like in this video) to get a 7950x or 9950x if you need max productive performance. If you do more gaming then for example blender, get the X3D Version.

[@TFHavingFun]

@@TheSapphireflyer Thanks for the input. I mainly do blender and want to get into Unreal Engine a bit. So mostly productive stuff and occasionally gaming.

[@TheSapphireflyer]

@@TFHavingFun then please don't get a X3D CPU. Check the benchmarks in this video alone. The X3D is made for gaming. Get a 9950X or 7950X, or wait for a new Intel Cpu that matches these cpus.

[@squatch545]

@@TFHavingFun Yes, if you can, wait for Intel Arrow Lake. Then compare it to the 9950x or 9900x. Intel has Quick Sync which is much better for production/video work. But Arrow Lake may turn out to be a dud. So if you can, it would be best to wait and compare both. That's what I am doing.

[@proofofparadox1098]

Where is the 7950x3d comparisons? I was hoping to see how it holds up to zen5 i dont see it on the gaming charts.

[@JamesonHuddle]

I got a 7950x late 2022, always dread new parts making me feel like I have to upgrade or got a bad deal, so thanks AMD for making me feel really good about it! Maybe in a few more years they will have a compelling uplift. With intel making a mess of everything even if they pull something somewhat crazy with their new CPU's I don't think I'll be sad. The last question is if my 4090 from early 2023 gets put to shame by the 5090.

[@DinoFancellu]

I have a 7950x+4090 too. Run it in eco mode. Then powersaver, even in games, ultra everything, doesn't miss a beat

[@CGHW]

Having to screenshot GN videos to use my future CPU in 2024 is wild 😅

[@dil6969]

So far, it feels like a placeholder CPU launch. Obviously shareholders don't like this, but I'd rather let the engineers cook for another year or two and deliver something with a bigger uplift. I think the annual hardware launches we've grown accustomed to just don't jive with the much slower rate of silicon improvement we see these days. Plus, there's currently no consumer-grade software out there in need of more powerful hardware to run properly.

[@jloiben12]

It would be nice if you could include music production benchmarking too. I know us music folk aren’t the biggest chunk of the market but it would be super helpful for those of us nerdy enough to be into computers to get some type of test that is comparable to our workloads

[@GamersNexus]

Any specific requests or suggestions on this? Not familiar with audio applications.

[@fentonwinmill]

Reaper/Studio one/Protools

[@bublybublybubly]

@@GamersNexus Curious about this too. It would be incredibly hard to have any meaningful result when every single musician works differently and has different workloads. The software is also extremely volatile between updates, OS, DAWs, plugins, etc. There are also imaginary limitations to music production processes caused by the nature of its software's complexity. New CPU can run 200 instances of plugin XYZ, compared to the 180 instances of the precious gen. Ok, and why are you trying to run 200 instances of plugin XYZ? Are you begging for your session to crash at some point? Or for your DAW or plugin XYZ to have an unexpected bug and forget all of your 200 presets? And don't get me started on music software DRM. It would be a nightmare to deal with for this kind of work. "Sorry, you've used up all your activations. Contact support and we'll reactivate your license after ignoring you for 5 days." Don't do it Steve. It's not worth the pain 😆

[@jloiben12]

@@GamersNexus I think Puget does some audio benchmarking so reaching out to them may help with ideas and if I was smart, I’d continue this over email so we can have a more complete conversation. But to more directly answer your question, or at least to provide some ideas, there are really two main considerations audio professionals have when it comes to computers: recording latency and plugin latency. (1) In terms of recording latency, there will always be some latency between when a note is played, when it gets recorded in the computer, and when the computer sends that sound to the artist’s headphones. The goal is to minimize this roundtrip latency. This means one would want to lower the buffer size to the smallest size possible. However, the smaller the buffer size, the more CPU-intensive the process is. These are famous last words but I don’t think this should be too difficult to test. Most digital audio workstations (DAWs), when you go into the settings, will tell you what that roundtrip latency is. A factor in what this roundtrip latency is, is the audio interface itself. Luckily, there are a few major brands that cover most of the non-heavy duty studio market. Testing this with one Focusrite audio interface (ie - the 2i2) and one Universal Audio interface (ie - Apollo Twin Duo) should give more than enough coverage to be as useful as possible while not testing CPUs on literally every audio interface. This would also very much be an “idealized” latency. Under load, this number in practice could be different, but this is more of a function of what’s discussed below. (2) In terms of plugin latency, there are two main types of plugins. The first are more CPU-intensive plugins. These types of plugins are generally effects plugins (ie - most reverbs, delays, guitar amps, etc) and non-sampled virtual instruments such as synthesizers and drum machines. Then there are also more RAM-intensive plugins. These are primarily sample-based where instead of the computer generating the sound from 1s and 0s, the plugin plays an actual sample of the instrument. Sample-based plugins are generally of acoustic instruments (ie - orchestral instruments, pianos, guitars, etc). Before getting into some ideas for testing, I think going over the signal flow will be helpful. At a high level, the signal flow is the following: individual instrument track -> group busses -> master output. Individual instrument tracks are pretty straightforward. This is the recorded instrument or the virtual instrument. Then there are the group busses. These basically group together like sounds. For example, a drum kit may be recorded with 10 microphones. Those 10 individual tracks would be grouped together into a drum buss. There are generally different busses for each set of sounds. So a rock band, for example, may have a drum buss, an electric guitar buss, a bass buss, a lead vocal buss, and a background vocal buss, with each of those busses being fed multiple tracks into them. Then all those busses get sent out the master. I say all that because I think a proper benchmark needs to account both for the sequential part of getting an individual track through all the processing and also with how there is a lot of parallel processing going on. A way to do this would be to start a session with 10 virtual instruments (5 sample-based and 5 non-sampled-based). I’d have an EQ and compressor on each individual channel track. I would also group every pair of plugins into one group buss and add an eq and compressor to each buss as well. Then, I would add pairs of virtual instruments (one sample-based and one non-sample based) along with the associated group buss until you start to get latency. On the master output, I’d have from the start an EQ, compressor, and limiter. The limiter is really just there to keep the output from going over 0 DBFS. I’d put the ceiling and threshold at like -10 DBFS since the actual audio of the test doesn’t matter (the test is of the setup’s processing ability, not on if it sounds good coming out of the speakers) and this makes it so you don’t have to adjust levels every time. I would use Universal Audio’s effects plugins (the EQ and compressor) for this. UA has very high end plugins that are pretty resource intensive so this would provide a fairly good conservative benchmark. In terms of sample-based plugins, the orchestral plugins are a good place to look. Eastwest, Spitfire Audio, VSL, Orchestral Tools, they all have good sample-based libraries that film scorers actually use. The only thing is they tend to be expensive due to how many people are involved with making them. In terms of the non-sampled based instruments, the Arturia V collection has a bunch that can work. There is also the question of what DAW to use. In reality, any of the major DAWs (Pro Tools, Ableton, Reaper, Studio One, FL Studio, Cubase) are just fine for this. I would just stay away from Pro Tools because if you think Adobe’s subscription system is bad, Pro Tools is far worse. However, I have no idea how you can systematically measure that latency. I don’t know of any tool that does that well other than one’s ears and I’d hate to be the person who has to do that. That would be so painful.

[@bublybublybubly]

@@GamersNexus Was my comment removed? I refreshed the tab and it's gone. I'm inquiring because I've had similar issues like that lately and I'm trying to figure out what's going on. EDIT: Well seems this one is staying up. FYI, if the comment was removed, I've been chasing those ones and zeros since the 32bit XP days where music projects would run out of RAM all the time and you had to bounce everything to audio to save CPU to be able to do anything with plugins. You can trust me when I say this is a can of worms that is better worth left alone.

[@AG-xz7ne]

A lot of emulators use AVX512 Xenia, Vita3k, and RPCS3 could benefit the most since they are the hardest to run. Yuzu and Citra use AVX512 but run well enough already, IMO.

[@6St6Jimmy6]

Bought 7800X3D couple weeks ago. Only after building it I heard about the new Ryzen just coming. I was like dam I hit the market at the wrong time. But looks like I can be happy with the purchase.

[@gdadkins01]

Watching the first two-minute commentary and switching to 1.25x playback speed makes this particular video even better given the truckload of coffee likely consumed pre, post, and thermal haste.

[@andrewvirtue5048]

People had too high of expectations. This is why pessimism is the best option for thought process. Steve worded my thought process perfectly at 15:03. A generational refresh. Even though zen5 is officially a "new" architecture, I've fully expected it to be a _...refined_ and polished "refresh" of zen4 architecture. To me meaning increased stability and duration, and more efficient power draw. And zen5 is doing exactly that. YOUR mindsets are the issue; as I already stated "too high of expectations".

[@andrewvirtue5048]

And I'm on the 3800x so zen5 is a great option for people in the 3000 series still.

[@ChurpGaming]

my mindset is give me better products or im not buying it. simple as that

[@amelieoresky884]

This is supposed to be the biggest redesign since the introduction of RYZEN. Buying a Zen 4 is an even better option for someone on a 3000 series, because it's much cheaper and runs similarly depending on workload, the products don't suddenly get better based on an age gap when other products exist.

[@PineyJustice]

@@amelieoresky884 If you've got that poor olympics mindset sure, but I'd rather have the newer gen any day of the week. Pretty solid efficiency increase and speed increase in quite a few places. Gaming is disappointing, but x3d is what gamers should be waiting for. The efficiency increases will translate directly into higher 9800x3d clock speeds, in addition the big reason why zen 5 isn't much faster is due to the IMC, it's highly bandwidth starved, zen 4 was already bandwidth starved, that's why zen 6 is unlikely to be on AM5, as the platform just can't support faster speeds without some kind of major shift.

[@amelieoresky884]

@@PineyJusticeI would never tell someone what to do with their money, if you're upgrading very often and just sell your old parts then having the latest and greatest is totally fine, especially if you're working with it. But if you only upgrade every half a decade, then you're probably more budget oriented and the 9000 series doesn't suddenly become a better deal against discounted zen 4. (unless you're just lazy to switch the parts)

[@CrazyTechLab]

Completely agree GN. 7000 pricing is the real killer as is lackluster gains in a lot of situations

[@justinbroniszewski]

I was hesitant to buy a 7800X3D back in December for $320, but I'm glad I did! Gaming is insane, and productivity is absolutely fine for me and is much faster than with my old Intel chip.

[@Kapono5150]

As 7700X and 7800X3D owner, I’m feeling pretty confident

[@DELTA9XTC]

the opening for Intel with Arrow Lake desktop parts is MASSIVE now. waiting for the 9800x3D or whatever the Intel pendant is. May the best gaming CPU win

[@itsprod.472]

Intel needs Arrow Lake to a success so I’m hoping it is despite the whole drama going on with them

[@m8x425]

@@itsprod.472 +70% of the consumer CPU's Intel sells are laptop CPUs. Only a small portion of the desktop CPUs that Intel sells are retail boxed. Intel is (probably) going to skate on by with this one, which is why they're in no rush to take full blame. If Intel's problems do become well known, most anyone that's outside of the PC building space will relate those problems to Core i9 processors. Now that Intel is making a small change to the name, the general public will think their Core Ultra processors are completely different.

[@pascaldifolco4611]

I'm revolted my loved 7950X3D isn't anymore in the charts, that's discrimination ! Instead you show some cretacean CPU like Ryzen 1600 pfffff

[@kunka592]

I know, that's pretty dumb. The old CPUs are way more irrelevant than the 7950X3D.

[@HellPedre]

jesus finally someone said it... Im also BAFFLED, like, really?? maybe they thought we all know by now that the 7950x3d is just the same as the non 3d and faster in games and we should interpolate?? anyway, yeah, the absence of the7950x3d sucks fkng hard

[@Ultrajamz]

Unless 3D series is great, it seems like I will just hodl my 7700x until the 10950x3d comes, I am assuming that would be the last one in am5

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

As other commenters have pointed out, the efficiency improvements *may* result in a disproportionately large improvement for x3d as the higher efficiency will theoretically allow for higher clocks while still working within the more constrained thermal limits imposed by the extra cache die

[@DannySi]

I use game bar almost everyday even though I'm on Intel. Being able to kill tasks and manage audio from one place is great

[@mr.guillotine3766]

Man, I saw people claiming that you really tore into AMD for this review....seems pretty fair and even keeled to me...

[@leandromorais1584]

Between the 9950X and the 9900X for gaming, I'll go with the 5800X3D. 🤣

[@iLegionaire3755]

7800X3D is better, but the 5800X3D is still a legend for gaming.

[@cyberneticorganism.]

I do miss the 7950X3D in the gaming benchmarks. Because i am between that one, and the 9950X. And yes, i would prefer the 9950X3D, but as i wanna build a new PC this year it propably will be to late (or to long of a wait) for that one. I do a lot of gaming btw, but also productity work on my PC (some video editing, audio editing etc.) That's why i'm going for more cores and i want a good overall performance. Currenly the 3900X is my daily driver.

[@effyouceeekay]

7950x3d is your way to go

[@HellPedre]

same man... and the 7950x3d missing in the charts KILLS ME

[@starlightHT]

Parking Required? AMD please, STOP get some help, WTF?

[@sznikers]

Did they explain why on earth is it needed? These should be identical CCDs just like 7950X 🤨

[@trixniisama]

It's a Windows issue though, not AMD.

[@rustler08]

@@trixniisama It might be a Windows issue, but you need to design your products to work with the largest OS in the world.

[@StrikeWarlock]

I feel like this is a Windows issue more than AMD. Meanwhile Linux bros don't have to deal with this bs.

[@artorias89]

@@trixniisama why is it a windows issue? cant windows handle 16 cores?

[@GamingNightError]

Great comparison thank you. I got one tiny request. WIth AI being a prevalent hype in recent years we would appreciate if modern benchmarks included comparison how this new CPUs perform in AI related tasks like GPT, Stable Diffusion, Language Processing, machine learning and whatnot.

[@SonoraWolf]

I would love to see simulation benchmarks in blender ngl, like for example a hugely CPU bound situation would be working with stuff like Fluid SIMs, for example I use FLIP fluids ALOT and ultimately when picking a CPU thinking about simulation speed is a huge deciding factor for me personally.

[@kilnerdyne]

The 7950X3D was unfortunately missing from a lot of these charts, it is both a price & performance competitor to the 9950X. Very very very strange choice Steve & team. Weird almost.

[@Top_Weeb]

He talks about it at the end.

[@kilnerdyne]

Yes, Steve does talk about it very briefly at the end to say "We'd advise against the 7950X3D over the 7800X3D or 7950X...I don't know if it was in the charts or not for this one." Let us see why then Steve! Put the data up! That they don't think the 7950X3D is relevant is a huge oversight, in my opinion, for those who want a single PC build for both productivity & gaming. It should have been in every chart.

[@HellPedre]

@@kilnerdyne YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

[@3k3k3]

Will this TDP stand more than a week?? Tune in next week, where Steve comes back from another week in the studio...! Appreciate the work Steve!

[@MegaGasek]

For animators (some of us still have a job, AI didn't take them YET) , I can't see a better CPU right now and production in general. When you are trying to get your animation rendered as fast as possible and not overnight, I wonder if PBO and more power would have an impact, efficiency be damned. Adobe After Effects would be a great one to add to your charts.

[@grospoulpe951]

26:41 👌nice one 😉😁 Thanks for the review 👍

[@paultapper9300]

Thankyou, I guess as expected after seeing the 9700x review

[@maximilianmorse9697]

What are the odds prebuilt manufacturers will actually bother to enable core parking?

[@drewnewby]

Just waiting for this one to see how AMD priced the SKU, and no surprises there. They know the 5 nm production should wrap up in the near future, so we'll have to go Zen 5 (as a builder / repair). Glad Zen 3 and Alder Lake are still around, and will keep building Zen 4 as long as possible. Rents too damn high on Zen 5.

[@theshadowoftruth7561]

Now it is, You don't think AMD wants people to buyout their stock of 7000 CPUs? After which they will lower the price of the 9000 CPUs.

[@drewnewby]

Believe me I know, but don't have your expectations too high. This will not be a Zen 3 / 4 situation, with continued value of the previous gen bringing pricing in line.TSMC 5 nm was too expensive and Zen 4 isn't sticking around like Zen 3 has. The only hope is Intel will not completely botch their next launch, and AMD will need to lower those prices to current Zen 4 sanity.

[@mithrillis]

I hope one day, game engines would advance far enough that we no longer need silly workarounds like disabling half your CPU cores...

[@joe--cool]

None of that is needed on Linux.

[@ZboeC5]

It's because of consoles, they have 8 core CPUs so most games are optimized for 8 cores. Simple really.

[@pedro.alcatra]

​@@ZboeC5not the 8 core stuff. The 8cores at really low frequency but locked at 60fps. That's what games are made for this days

[@GoogleDoesEvil]

@@joe--cool Yeah, you just accept the performance hit instead.

[@joe--cool]

@@GoogleDoesEvil Yeah, weird that people clinging to Windows will rather have less performance than upgrade.

[@darwinwimerjr2044]

Thanks Steve.... For pointing us towards the 7800x3D, instead of waiting around for all..... this..... Now waiting on price hikes for the 7800X3D because of it. 😕

[@DKP3000]

Have been waiting to buy the 9950x, AMD sure did drop the ball

[@Techcensorshipbot]

If I had to guess the 7800X3D's new counterpart will be very similar in performance at least for games. So it very well may make sense to just buy 7000 series if you're looking to upgrade now.

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

Nah, the 7800X3D is crippled in terms of frequency. The 9800X3D will have the architecture improvements, the thermal improvements will allow them to push the chip higher (because the 3D cache makes the cores harder to cool), and Zen 5 has more L1 cache. That alone will be a 10 to 20% improvement. If they don't neuter the frequency of the chip, it'll easily be 20% faster.

[@N1234-n8x]

​@@TiagoMorbusSa10% more than the 7800x3d at most

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

@@N1234-n8x 35%

[@N1234-n8x]

@@TiagoMorbusSa keep dreaming

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

@@N1234-n8x dreaming? I explained my logic, you just blurted out a number you're the one who's dreaming

[@edwinduisburg8138]

4:05 More Cash or More Cache?

[@jesuschrist711]

yes

[@TheSapphireflyer]

oh well.. I want to buy the 9950x but do I get this right? I will always have to have MS Gamebar enabled? Or can I turn it off after I did the core parking steps? I mean, at least it is doing ok in Blender, which I mainly work with. Not so sure about the gaming part though. Maybe I have to accept to either get good productive performance or good gaming performance. Lets wait for the European prices and hope they go down a bit in the end of 2024. Thank you for the video/work! Amazing!

[@zivzulander]

I believe you need Game Bar running essentially for game detection, switching on game mode so that the cores park correctly (only) when running games

[@TheSapphireflyer]

@@zivzulander got it, thanks for the clarification!

[@itsprod.472]

Yup sucks that nowadays we need to do more just to set up a PC 😂

[@joe--cool]

Alternatives would be: Linux or using Process Lasso to make Windows work properly.

[@o74769]

As someone who upgraded last year with 5600 non x.. it makes me happy i made the right decision... was the best choice for the money i had at that time. Very good CPU.

[@drigz206]

The Benjamin franklins under the 7800X3D was such a dope shot. Kudos to whoever added that to the video. 7800X3D is King!

[@RFC3514]

Performance per watt based only on CPU power consumption can be kind of misleading. For example, limiting a CPU to 70% its normal power draw might make it seem 40% more power efficient (at the cost of being, say, 20% slower)... but the _rest_ of the system is still drawing the same amount of power as it was before. So your actual power saving might actually be closer to 20% or 15%, which means the system as a whole is actually no more efficient (it might even be _less_ efficient).

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

The fixed power consumption of a motherboard, a couple of NVMe SSDs and some RGB lighting isn't really a big deal though, and anyone looking to buy based on efficiency who's using a GPU should already be aware that the GPU's power also matters

[@RFC3514]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 - Where would you say the threshold for "not really a big deal" lies? Try limiting your CPU to 50 watts, then measure the total system power consumption. I'm going to risk saying that it won't be under 65 watts. And the fact that people "should already be aware" doesn't really invalidate what I wrote. Real-world power efficiency is based on how much power you need to produce the work in question. Making your CPU "twice as efficient" (at the cost of making it slower) doesn't necessarily make your system more efficient at performing that task, because if the CPU takes 50% less power but also 40% more *time* to perform the task, all the other components will use 40% more energy. That means the real savings are never as good as they look when you look at the CPU alone, and in some cases the increased CPU power efficiency (at the cost of time) can actually result in a _decrease_ of overall power efficiency. So it would definitely be useful to see total system power consumption, especially in tests where CPU speed was reduced in the name of (CPU) power efficiency.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@RFC3514 This isn't a total system review though, it's a CPU review. Total system power introduces additional confounders because motherboards might vary in efficiency, and it doesn't add a lot of value to the discussion (your hypothetical of 15W non CPU power consumption is comically low, yeah sure the MB and SSD will probably use more than 15W but that's still not much when compared against 100-250W of CPU)

[@RFC3514]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 - It doesn't introduce any "confounders"; as long as the rest of the system remains the same, the difference you'll see in power draw (with and without the power limit enabled) will be from the CPU. What it does introduce is a sense of how much benefit there _really_ is in limiting the power. Because (most) people buy CPUs to do some work, not just to measure individual variables in isolation. And of course that's going to depend on which components you use, but that's already the case. RAM speed and amount, GPU speed, etc., influence several of these benchmarks. Simply using a different BIOS revision (or different chipset drivers) on the same hardware can produce different results. And that's why those variables are mentioned in the review.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@RFC3514 Good luck getting a 14900k to boot on an x670e board then, because until you do you can't run identical systems. As it stands, people who care about these figures are shopping for parts to assemble, not a prebuilt, so isolating each part's behaviour out makes sense. You're asking them to replace a direct measure of a part with an indirect and less well controlled measure of a part and a bunch of other stuff because you want it to provide some intuitive sense of system power consumption in general, but the result is that you're making it harder for people to actually compare the part that's being changed directly and providing no actual objective benefit. Other than the GPU the other system parts in most consumer builds are fairly fixed (in that they won't vary much over time with system load between idle and active) and overall very small contributors to total power, for the most part the most useful way of presenting it is part by part so those parts can be cross shopped separately. Side note, one of the most common situations to need high efficiency in a consumer desktop is to fit within colony constraints of SFF builds and such, for those settings the CPU and GPU are the only relevant power consumers anyway so it's even more important in this setting to focus on part power instead of total system power

[@markentwistle2158]

I like the 7950x3d for the value in supporting both gaming and for production tasks as a secondary use.

[@wasitacatisaw83]

Sad to see the 7950X3D missing from so many of these charts

[@leobelanger6183]

I've just upgraded last week from an i5-4690k to a 7800x3D. This confirms it was the best choice to make!