HAM People VS GMRS People - Who Uses GMRS & Who Uses HAM? Whats The Difference Between HAM & GMRS?

[@MichaelOfRohan]

You hide your like counts because they suck. You suck.

[@TheNotaRubicon]

I fixed that for you.. Now you can see for yourself that 1,600 people disagree with you.

[@sethrothompson]

@@TheNotaRubicon 😂 sad ham alert

[@aarononeal1462]

You did actually pin it😂😂😂

[@DanielGBenesScienceShows]

I also have my own “secret Like counter” I’ll be happy to reveal. (These Likes were directly inspired by NotaRubicon’s entertaining video, so they count as additional Likes)… • I liked this video = 1 Like. • I liked NotaRubicon’s (the “Pinner’s”) response to Micheal’s (the “Pinnee’s”) comment = 1 Like. • I like seeing people using technology to actively enjoy life = 1 Like. • I like when people use their experience to teach, inspire and enrich, and not tear down, belittle and harass others = 1 Like. • I like happy hams = 1 Like. • I like green eggs and ham = 1 childhood Like. • I like when people are respectful to each other = 1 Like. This unfortunately meant disliking Micheal’s comment = -1 Like (oh snap). • I like long walks on short beaches = 1 Like. • I like short dogs with long tails = 1 Like, long dogs with shorts tails = 1 Like, and cats who identify as dogs = 1 Like. • My dog identifies as a bird = 1 Like. I could do this all day = 10,000+ Likes. So this video actually has over 11,750 Likes as of now that disagree with “the Pinnee”.

[@polykarposz]

@@TheNotaRubicon he got destroyed

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

HAH! That Background!!!

[@wushock92]

You noticed that too, huh? LOL

[@saltyshellback]

I didn't know he was a fan ;-)

[@wdsracer]

Josh he must envy you lol..

[@forgetyourlife]

Sad Ham merch cross over opportunity.

[@eddiecollins459]

Have that guy pay you royalties for using your picture on his background!

[@ChrisZwolinski]

I actually met a sad ham at my General exam. After I passed the test, they offered and I took the extra exam. I failed the second test pretty nicely. Sad ham chastised me for not studying for the extra exam. He said he’s been a ham for over 60 years. I offered him my name and address for addition to his will so he can leave me his radio gear. For some reason he was NOT amused. Everyone else (not sad hams) were very amused.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

😅😅

[@MCGrassblock210]

I’m a Ham Radio operator, got my tech license back in April. I love radios in general, so whether it’s GMRS, HAM, FRS, or anything else, I don’t care. If it gets you on the air, it’s good to me!

[@blackhawk65589]

Exactly! We need to foster more people to go on the air ways and off the cell phones :)

[@stephentaylor280]

Amen.I agree with you. KK7T.

[@mrmustachio6297]

Me too

[@Barracuda48082]

@@blackhawk65589 Need more cat whisker transceivers..😝👍🏼..yeah .cells are okay while life is quietly simple but during a major power grid outage .NOT ! Grab your entry level solar panel, battery and charger, hook em up, get on the universal channels . Organize a bbq, tools, tents and where.

[@mr.h4646]

Right there with ya! Radio in general is awesome!

[@K1STG-Fred]

My Sad Ham story: While out hiking I had my radio tuned to a nearby repeater. I listen to about 20 minutes of dead air so I keyed up with my call sign and that I was monitoring. What I got back was a rant about how they were in the middle of an emergency drill and I was ruining everything. I responded with an apology, and closing out properly with my call sign and received another diatribe in response. So I deleted that repeater entry from my radio and moved on. 😆

[@lukepippin4781]

Oh wow. That’s lovely 😂

[@Robbie-sk6vc]

I'm sorry that happened to you! I met someone once that said they don't talk to people on air that they haven't FIRST met in person! Very sad!

[@davidkermes376]

*gasp!* .how DARE you! .you could have started world war three, or spoiled somebody's hide-and seek game!

[@brewtarski1]

Great video. I got a uv-5r a couple of years ago, then a Gmrs license, then a Tech license. Primarily interested in emergency communication. I figured that the ham license would open up a wider range of communication in the event of a wildfire here in the Colorado mountains. Plus there are no GMRS repeaters near me. Most hams are nice folks. Some, however, are authoritarian personality types…aka, Sad Hams. There’s also a bit of competition among them regarding technical knowledge. Some clearly either were or wanted to be President of the Science Club in High School. That’s okay. Not my thing. GMRS is great for most average humans most of the time.

[@Bob814u]

When someone gets mad when you tell them to leave their name badges and titles at home before they come to an event, you know they won't be there.

[@beekeeper8474]

Lots of sad angry little hams in Colorado

[@jimhunt3661]

you should market "sad ham" t-shirts and thanks for not wasting our time. :)

[@FosterFarmsOk]

fried sad ham and eggs is a great breakfast before going out GMRSing

[@joemartinez4591]

1500 Watts Max KM6MNS , WREL563 yes I also enjoy GMRS along with CB and Ham . I use all three ..

[@tadatarot2904]

I didn't let these types keep me from experiencing ham radio and it was brutal in the 90s in my local community, but I also met some of nicest people. It was cb or ham then and coming from cb I can say that, even coming from 'sad hams' (we knew them as radio police), I did probably learn a thing or two that helped me to become a 'better operator'. I also learned that I didn't need to be accepted by a clique to enjoy amateur radio. Don't be thin skinned and don't allow anyone to steal your sunshine if you have an interest in ham radio. You don't need anyone's approval.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

I am a ham operator in Australia and I've got to say I both laughed and cried watching this. "Sad hams" are indeed a phenomenon but fortunately, from my experience at least, they are in the minority. Honestly, most hams that I know don't have much time for these types at all. If you're interested in radio as a hobby, don't let people like that put you off. Yes, there is required learning for using amateur appliances and I dare say in the context of this video, with good reason. Licensing is a multi tiered, you don't need to be a "brainiac" to get involved. I certainly wasn't one and found some of the learning a real challenge but it's also one of the reasons I wanted to engage in the hobby. The entry level license is no struggle at all. Class licensed radio and ham radio both have their place. Both have pros and cons that the other doesn't. It's horses for courses. Pick the type that is right for your needs at the time. You can always move sideways at a later date. Regardless of yours or others choices, please, live and let live.

[@tarawood-bradley2119]

As a fellow Aussie, thank you

[@tedkay1048]

Well, you are Aussie, so...

[@LanceZ99]

I came to see whose comment got pinned

[@TwoFeatherChannel]

Don't let the (Sour Hams) get you down. A (Sour Ham) Operator is a (C.B.) Operator with More Money. I'm a licensed amateur radio operator and a member to a local radio club. The things I see and hear from these Sour Hams, is the same things I saw and heard back in the 1960's to 1970's from CB Radio operators. Little boys with expensive toys.

[@FreemanWithrow]

Amen !

[@jerroldshelton9367]

There is a certain "personality type" I see in amateur radio that I also see in fly fishing. Now, I enjoy both both hobbies, but this "exclusively special" attitude that some particular personalities bring to both is a bit off-putting. In amateur radio, there's the person who says "We do Field Day in a public park to be ambassadors for the hobby" out of one side of their mouth. If they can be bothered to answer public questions at all, the other side of their mouth is very condescending on makes it sound like amateur radio is uber-difficult to participate in; that you have to have the brain of Marconi and Ohm to even think about testing for a license. It's radio. It's not brain surgery or rocket science. The material covered in a Technician-Class amateur license is not beyond the capacity of the average person to understand, and making it out like it is seems little more to me than an expression of narcissism to me. They're like the people who make casting a fly rod out to be some kind exclusive art form that the average person can't ever master well enough to have fun and catch some fish, when the absolute truth is that anybody who has ever flicked excess paint off a brush or driven a nail into a wall to hang a picture already knows how to cast a fly rod. They just don't know they know. The long winded point is that both of these hobbies I enjoy have their more than fair share of grumpy old men who act as participation barriers rather than inclusion-minded ambassadors. And frankly, I think that's stupid. Fly fishing is a licensed privilege just as much as amateur radio is. More public involvement in a pursuit of privilege means more allies to stand up to those who might want to see such privileges revoked, for whatever reason. But some don't see the thing that way. The Sad Hams and the Sad Fly Fishers have a lot in common, in that they give the appearance that the main attraction to their hobby is, for them, the sense of superiority over other people that participation gives them.

[@ChristopherGilmore]

So, I myself am a ham operator. I recently got my general license. But I started in the wild west of radio; CB. My dad had one, and a while ago I got one in my truck. I'm looking into CB and learning I came across GMRS. I said hey lemme get that too. And went on further to get my ham license. I feel like regardless of what radio you use, what band you're on, if you're not causing problems, it's really whatever. Sure, I understand getting licensed and only using certain bands with a plan. But honestly if it's not causing interference or unwanted operation, I don't think the radio you use matters.

[@anonymousbastard2981]

So, it's not the size of your radio, it's how you use it?

[@jwcummer]

Amen to this. I second this opinion.

[@richlovin2173]

Yes, I am a Ham, but I see GMRS as a very useful tool that enables comms between normal people, not sad hams. I think more Hams need to embrace the very useful GMRS environment. Your postings are GREAT. Keep it up!

[@CAtripper]

You Sir are the Grand Master of Radio Sensibility.

[@Unklethebob]

I recently had a sad ham moment and heres the story: I live in an area where I can easily connect and receive transmissions from a repeater in British Colombia. (I live in WA) I connected to the Canadian repeater when I was taking a hike at the park. I recited my callsign and started talking about where I was connecting from and the area in which I live. there were two farmers on the channel who both said they had GMRS setups in their tractors. one of the farmers asked me what my setup was and I said it was a UV5r with the Nagoya extended range antenna. I dont know why but that fact made one of the farmers really mad. as if saying I had a UV5R was some kind of personal attack on his character. The farmer then started saying stuff like "Oh the uv5r isnt registered to the FCC and you will get a 5 billion dollar fine and how his setup is some $700 box and is much better than the cheap baofengs and blah blah blah." I just turned my radio off at that point and sat at my favorite bench and had some wafer cookies.

[@anleekij]

Hopefully you thought long and hard about your choice to talk to canadians

[@extreme978]

The term for these guys used to be HAMMY hams. There is nothing wrong with a baofeng radio. Ive owned one for 6 years, and the battery still holds charge. most people that hate a baofeng aren't smart enough to program it with the supplied cable. (you must change your dot net framework to 2007 driver on your pc)

[@andrewyoung-n8ary]

Our local club gives Baofengs away to new hams. Muahahahaaaaaaa.

[@ThePyleDriver]

When the first (or only) thing someone wants to talk about is your radio choice it's a clue you may be in an attempted measuring-contest with a sad ham. I have both ham and gmrs licences and enjoy them equally.

[@VA2DXR]

@@anleekij Being a CANADIAN ham radio operator I personally do not care what radio anyone uses, I personally own and operate several budget friendly radiosk, I am active on GMRS, Ham and 11 meters, his sad story would have happened to many places and with many people in the US and Canada

[@W3DRE]

I was a prepped before I became a Ham. Dude you are hysterically funny! I have GMRS also. I got it for my wife and mother so we can all talk in case of emergency. Keep doing what you do! There is room for everyone!

[@LibertyRox]

GMRS is a Gateway drug... lol lol frickin love it!

[@jim6682]

I totally agree with you. I have both a GMRS and a Ham license. I use my Ham radios as a fun hobby, however, I belong to several off-road clubs and for that we use GMRS which like you said, is just a tool to communicate while on the trail. Love your videos.

[@doombringer1505]

I'm a HAM. Just got a GMRS Lic. Back story....I was at work and got into an accident. I was in the hospital for months. When I finally got to go home, had to sell off all my Ham equipment to help with hospital bills. Over 3 years later, I was better, and bough some more stuff. (C4FM). Seems the bands had "dried up", and a week would pass before I heard anything. Did the MARS/ CAP mod on my Yaesu and found out many of my old chat buddies were on GMRS. But the "sad hams" still on the ham bands talked about the EXACT SAME THING as 3 years prior. "Bigger, better, faster, more" and how much they spend is the only topic. I'm a chatterbox by nature and will QSO about anything BUT radio equipment. OK a breif discussion, but that's it. How many logs your tractor can pull is more interesting.

[@byrondaniels421]

Thank you for another understandable GMRS Tutorial. You're doing a great service for a new GMRS Licensee.

[@d.b.cooper]

Ham radio started approximately 4 billion years ago! “Allegedly”

[@curtstacy779]

Ham radio started when radio operators interfered with the sinking Titanic. There is a cool video about the news article on KZbin. Radio operators were born to take abuse. It started when radio began. Do you think Ham was a good name? Interesting stuff!

[@irvinyoung9947]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lummoxoverlandadventures1072]

A true story: I was tuned into another youtubers Camp Talk live one Sunday evening and the subject of offroad comunication and gmrs came up. He actually had a a few UV5R's he briefly showed and for reasons we all know its the obvious choice for most people just starting out who need to talk on the trail. It generated a lot of interest in gmrs in the live chat. BUT you wouldn't belive all of the dickheads that that discouraged total novices in the chat from even getting into gmrs and went so far as to scare them into believing they would be raided for buying the beloved UV5R! It was insane. I immediately started calling out the 's and combating the false information, scare tactics, and "just study for the test" arguments the 's were pushing. But the truth is we are few and they are many. We may never know how many people they discouraged in that chat, but I know of atleast one. She ended up with FRS radios from Walmart (and that bundle of lies) because she thought GMRS was no good. Im happy to say after reading to her from the book of first Notarubiconians 10:100 she is now a lic GMRS user.

[@jay-by1se]

Ham radio is like a filter trap that collects the creepiest losers possible as well as some good people. But the creepy losers have nothing in their life but the fact that they have a stupid license to operate a radio, so they run around trying to hurt anybody who doesn’t have their stupid license.

[@panchopistola8298]

@@jay-by1se I am on MeWe as a facebook variant. And I joined a group that said Ham radio for beginners. It was very slow and etc... Then yesterday someone came on and started some shit. And you would never believe how unprofessional and low these people stooped to go to kick him out and call him out. It wasn't just telling him what for and kicking him they really belittled him and etc. And I called them out for it and was made fun of for it. And then, one of them said " I have been in radio since 1964...." Oh okay lol.... Bye. I won't get my ham radio license for a while cause of that. Ill go ahead and get my GMRS

[@Wheelabarraback]

I studied for a year to get mine and then found out the types of people that are on Ham radio and left . I made a few mistakes when I first got on air and the self appointed radio police came down hard . I also said my call sign every 10 minutes or whatever it’s supposed to be and not every bloody time I let go of the mic . This upset them too ! No such stress on freeband radio . Old farts with one foot in the grave and nothing else in their lives .

[@deadreckoning4132]

That applies to all hobbies man. You have people that use it for practical purpose and others that eat, sleep and breathe it. The problem with ham is that since an exam is involved and some knowledge of the radio, you typically only attract people that do that as a full-time hobby. However, I can appreciate that. When I was studying for my ham license, I learned a lot from people that were very skilled in the art. Years ago when I was getting into CB before the days of youtube, your CB radio guys were the go to guys to learn how to adjust swr, get everything tuned up properly have a good radio experience. Without those guys, I wouldn't have known what in the world I was doing. My point, while I'm probably not going to hang out with a lot of those guys, those are the ones that I go to when I have questions.

[@forrestlibby9456]

Got GMRS first, ham second and you're right. Sad Hams turned me off. I will still renew my license, why not, already bought the equipment. Like your channel!

[@appalachianunderground8474]

I’m GMRS and CB all the way…my main problem with Ham is that the FEDS are too involved… the websites that allow you to enter someone’s call sign and it gives you their exact address and location. Is that necessary?

[@macadameane]

I'm a Ham operator. Some of my kids are interested, particularly my daughter. I didn't want men to be able to look her up and know where to find her (easily anyway). The solution was to use a "General Delivery" address at the post office. Most post offices support it. This way you don't have to pay for a PO Box but get the same benefits. They just throw away your mail after 30 days. Since we aren't using it for mail anyway, it works out. They can only pinpoint you to a zipcode.

[@GOBRAGH2]

He has the perfect voice for narration, radio, news, and relaxation CD's.

[@NickConteSC]

Still love the slapstick with the Sad ham! Still comic gold!

[@billtaylor292]

"Sad ham syndrome" is no different from: Sad Harley owner Sad private pilot Sad electrician Sad auto mechanic Sad computer hacker Sad Jeep owner And any other person that identifies with their occupation or hobby as a "part of who they are". When you spend years learning about anything, it becomes second nature. It's easy to forget what it's like to be a noob. Thus the "sad" syndrome.

[@CoolOldBiker]

True !! Many years motorcycles - I love Harley's and others ...the sad Harley guy is like sad ham , and alot of Mens hobby's when lifestyle is involved

[@jay-by1se]

I respectfully disagree in one way. Weird people who are lonely having a hobby is universal. But only the ham operators create their own law-enforcement branch or they hunt people down and tournament to the federal government to be punished. That makes them a level of low life scum that is unique.

[@ronv6360]

@@jay-by1se They like to be the good guy to the government not you unless your the same as them..always quoting rules and regulations when it isn't a normal person who buys this stuff would even act like they describe I've never heard in the 40yrs I've been in this hobby and I'm in a very active city where gmrs is everywhere and hams also who talk on cb frequency with their 100w radio don't sound legal to me either rules smh..

[@aiexzs]

>Sad computer hacker sad linux users

[@GoogleDoesEvil]

Sad Linux users are a big one too

[@TwstedTV]

12:56 Here is a pure example of what you mentioned (SAD HAM). 2 guys got into it on the radio while using a repeater. They got into a heated argument for about 2 hours cursing at each other and really bashing each other in a very bad way. THEN threats started happening. A few ham operators then chimed in to tell them to stop and ppl were trying to get them to stop, it just kept going on. Until one of the guys said "Hey fkr I know where you live" and the other kept cursing & yelling even more. Well as they were yelling at each other, one of the guys was already making his way to the other guys house. about 40 minutes later you hear one of the guys scream in the radio. "This fkr is at my front door threatening me and he just threaten my wife when she answered the door" and as they are still yelling at each other on the radio, you can hear a child crying in the background and the wife screaming to the top of her lungs about this guy making threats in front of their house. ALL this because the FCC made peoples private home address readily available for anyone to get right on the FCC's website. THIS is why many people don't get their ham license. And in many cities it cost a lot of money to get a PO Box. its around $75 every 3 months in my city. This city has experienced a few of these types of issues a year. Which has become extremely dangerous for families. Specially with the amount of crazies out there in the world. And that social security number you have to enter when applying, got only knows where that is posted on their website for anyone to grab by web scraping their server. Just wanted to point that out. I wish Ham radio operator protested the FCC to get them to stop posting peoples private home addresses & make is readily available for anyone online. But, a man can only wish. Maybe one day Ham operators will do it in my lifetime. 🤷‍♂

[@Riverbend1752]

I am a university student and have an amateur license. I use my campus address when I'm at university because my building is restricted access. Only residents and guests accompanied by residents are allowed, and you have to swipe an ID card to get into the building and again to access the residential area. The building is secure enough I'm not worried about my address being known. When I moved home for summer, though, I got a PO box so I wouldn't reveal my home address.

[@lucassmith2332]

Wow 😲. Thanks didn't know that. Makes me not want to get a license.

[@hitekredneck109]

One big reason I don't get my license is that I don't need the government knowing even more about me. I am respectful when I'm on the air and don't really think I need a piece of paper to talk to my buds or do some dx'ing.

[@Riverbend1752]

@@hitekredneck109 What information will the government gain from you getting a license? All the information involved in the process is stuff the government has known about me ever since they issued my Social Security number.

[@ChadForquer]

Simple way to avoid all of that. Don’t argue with anyone over the radio. If someone started trying to argue with me I would just change channels and move on. Not worth my time or effort. Also you wouldn’t want to come to my house acting like that. I am also a licensed firearms instructor.

[@go2douglasvamateurradioandmore]

I've never heard gmrs called a toy. Maybe i don't hang out with those that do. I know many hams that have the gmrs license. I use cb, gmrs, ham and occasionally murs. RF is RF.

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

I'm an extra class ham and been licensed for about 20 years and I enjoy your videos. Really love your style and sense of humor. Different radio services for different purposes. I appreciate them all. Even 27mhz. We're lucky to have so many options. People take it for granted.

[@jpillera]

Oh yes ... the 11 meter crowd (CB). Very "back 40" mindset. I'm an Extra ham too...small world.

[@rkaag99]

I like your shirt! If you really wanna make a sad-ham forehead pop... mention how great it was when the fcc dropped the morse code requirement for testing. (be very careful with this one) (I MEAN IT, BE CAREFUL) You could also casually introduce the topic of 'internet-connected' DMR and how sweet it sounds half-way around the world without a $10M ultra-quad array antenna from Asgard.

[@dayllarsen1521]

i am kinda glad they did even though i had to learn morse code when i got my tech plus you needed to recieve 5 wpm. now i am a general class.

[@W2IRT]

What's making heads explode more today is the war on FT8. As for the know-code/no-code debate. I'm old school myself and I thought it was a decent gatekeeper for the hobby for a time, but now I find CW more fun where people are doing it voluntarily. I used to hate it, now it's my favourite way to communicate on HF for DXing and contesting.

[@stephentaylor280]

I am laughing ! How true ! KK7T

[@rkaag99]

@@dayllarsen1521 yep... i went the no-code then tech-plus route. went tone-deaf at about 10 wpm. once dropped. flew through the technical (and IMHumbleO) more important tests.

[@jerroldshelton9367]

KC6TIF laughing my arse off here. Proof that the key to good comedy is truth, I reckon. I exploded a few heads at the last Field Day I participated in by apparently taking the "wrong" side of the Know/No code debate. For maximum explosive impact, I recommend taking the "wrong" side while working a 40m C.W. setup during Field Day. ;) The irony of "One of the reasons we set up this stuff in a park is to introduce new people to the hobby" contrasted with the same people making "Knowing code was a great 'gatekeeper' to keep the '11-meter types' out of the hobby" comments wasn't lost on me. I had to call B.S. on that "We do this to introduce new people" crap from the dreaded Sad Hams. They don't want new people in the amateur radio hobby. If more people were Technician Class operators, and went on to General or Extra class, then the Sad Hams would be less "exclusively special." Some of those folks are Sad Hams for that very reason: it's an outlet to feel superior to other people.

[@TractorsNStuff]

I actually just had a Sad Ham experience on a forum. I asked a general question about what system people who live out in the country use for alternate communications. I did mention, briefly, that I ordered a Baofeng UV-5R for scanning of emergency fire since I live in a fire danger zone. One particular person started talking about sun spots and how 'filthy' the baofeng is and he wont chastise me for using, he went on to chastise me for using it and other products made in China.

[@deadreckoning4132]

With the baofengs, it's one of those situations where it's a good radio until you get a good radio. If that makes sense. If you don't know what you're missing, you never know how bad it is. Having said that, I can definitely appreciate the low cost of Chinese radios and they have came a long way. It's made it possible for people to get into radios without having to spend a fortune.

[@Factory400]

I do ham radio for fun, education, and engineering challenges. It's just a weird hobby. I do GMRS for practical daily communications with normal people.

[@anthonyfmoss]

That’s a darn good comment. That sums it up perfectly.

[@paulmitchell4421]

There are "normal" people on gmrs?

[@mrmustachio6297]

Paul the troll lol

[@greyshadow9498]

You find them all over Radio Reference and for some reason they have to infiltrate the MYGMRS community too. Always crying that GMRS doesn't need DMR, or linked repeaters, or APRS. That us "non-hams" are lucky to get what we got already. I use GMRS mainly for necessity. But I also enjoy just chatting with randos on the local repeaters too, and that does make me WANT to seek out a ham license, but the elitest mentality of many (not all by any means) hams is very off putting. In answer to the sad ham age old question: yes... I AM too stupid to pass the test. I know radios, and antennas, and propagation, and watts ERP etc... But I have never been good at "testing" for some reason. I suppose that means I am not worthy of chatting on 2m/70cm with an off the shelf radio/antenna combo... And that is what makes me a "sad non-ham" I don't want 1000w broadcasting over a 100ft antenna with a mile of shielded coax. I don't want to hit the ISS I don't want to broadcast TV I don't need access to microwave bands... I just want to chat at 5W on my UV5R, and 25W on my DB25 with my antenna mounted on my balcony. That's what really keeps ME out of the hobby.

[@frankieraymond]

Randy i"m an OLD ham. started out in CB when i got married the 2nd time to keep me home, then HAM in the early 70's,and now GMRS. Why? because when i take my long walks i can talk to my wife about ANYTHING and also communicate around the house,so i am using it the way i want to and enjoy it! Frankie Cee P.S. NOT A SAD HAM.

[@bluegoldgr]

I started out with Ham, then I moved up to GMRS 😂🤣

[@awparrish]

I bought a Chinese walkie talkie (boofwang) and I programmed it to several of my local pork repeaters. Every single porky pine on the repeater inquired about "my call sign bro". Afterwards, I programmed my radio to the only GMRS repeater in my area and a lovely conversation was ensuing with just about every party involved stating "fuck Karen". Drawing a conclusion, I have found my people

[@chrissewell1608]

I have been a ham for 25 + years now. And it just pisses me off, to see these nerdy Ham Nazi's, try and bully new hams off their repeaters. Like it is their own equipment!? Some act like their Extra class license is uber special. Or they are better than most people, because they stay up late, every night, talking to some tropical fruit, named Giermo, from Guatamala! (On 20 Mhz?) They are ruining the hobby!

[@loctite222ms]

Isn't it more likely to be on 7 Mhz ? Especially late at night?

[@curtstacy779]

I was just thinking, if you've been a ham for 25 years. How many more years is it going to take for you to start using the ham bands? 20mhz? lol have a good day

[@dougpoulton5544]

In Arizona most county sheriffs, fish and game, lake patrols, the National Park service and the offroad recovery services monitor channel 16 on the VHF marine band. FCC license is not required for 'pleasure craft', so I carry a Baofeng BF-F8HP as a backup for my KG-905G. The Baofeng allows me to monitor NOAA, FM radio and 156.8 MHz.

[@GruntProof]

HAMers would have gladly joined the Gestapo, there, I said it.

[@Power-Ads]

I'm a Ham, I enjoy your videos! I agree that a small minority of Ham operators sometimes give Ham Radio a bad reputation. I got my Ham license in 1991 K8CNN and just this year got my GMRS license WRKT687 I put up a GMRS repeater in Brunswick Ohio as GMRS has been getting more popular! and plan to put up a second repeater in Lakewood Ohio (should be on the air in 3 weeks!) I agree with your video, BOTH HAM Radio and GMRS both have a place! it just depends on what your needs and wants are from radio! I would encourage you to eventually get your Ham license, and talk on the local repeaters, I bet you will meet a lot of nice people, and as a popular KZbin creator, you can relate actual experiences you had using both! "Ham Radio 2.0" is another KZbin creator who explores and likes both GMRS and Ham Radio. I just think both are worth having. This is my first comment on your channel, Keep up the nice work!

[@TheNotaRubicon]

Based on today's comment that you left on my other video it seems that you've had a change of heart since this post.. I also see that you've cancelled your ham license. Life comes at you fast!

[@Power-Ads]

ABSOLUTELY I changed my opinion over the past 2 years, You USED to give ham radio operators credit for being mostly good and helpful people with a few exceptions, Now your commantary is almost 100% bashing ham radio and you just get on a soapbox ranting about negative comments "That you now delete" if you don't like the comment (Like mine) you have found bashing ham radio = Subs , thats why people watch

[@TheNotaRubicon]

You obviously have trouble paying attention. I don't bash ham radio or ham radio operators.. I bash self-important, condescending, non-helpful sad-hams.. If you are incapable of understanding the difference, then you are likely one of the sad-hams that myself, and everyone else, not only cant stand, but also are laughing at. Whats even more funny is that as much as you claim to hate my videos, not only do you keep coming back, you also take the time to leave comments instead of just going away and watching something else like a grownup would do. So, I hate to break it to you, but that makes you a fan. Thanks for watchiing!

[@bhi7165]

It's ok to swing both ways. The radio world... It ain't all strippers and burritos

[@d.b.cooper]

As a Cheeto stained fingered basement dwelling sad ham I love being choked out by RF… 😂

[@bluefishbeagle1]

Could you do a video comparing CB with GMRS CB has been around a long time and is (some say) pretty much dead as far as usefulness. Would you say that CB was the forerunner of GMRS. Did CBer's kill the band by the use of, well lets say not family orientated language or are there other factors. GMRS is free and open will it stay a true family band that "little ears" can listen too or will GMRS over time self destruct like CB. Not any repeaters in my area for to monitor. What's your experience. It is true that if you don't like what you hear just turn it off, and that's exactly in my opinion what many have done with CB throwing their radio in the trash bin. What's your take...

[@bailbonspolicedispatchtmag9746]

Good your realizing your mistakes because we all make mistakes and I made a mistake by giving out my old password for Roblox so there you go that I’m not even good at remembering some shit but even though I’m not good at remembering some stuff I’m really good at remembering all my walkie-talkie shit and all my ham License and shit so I’m proud of u telling us that because before that we new better then that because I’m a proud owner of a ham lincences so yea good job :)

[@Leonarco333]

Ham started in the 1920’s in an intermediate sized town in Germany. Their salted pork fed the people through some tough times an people decided to name it after their town of Hamburg. Oh that’s not what we’re talking about?

[@brook61]

Sad hams can be spotted working at Ham Radio Outlet in San Diego. I’ll never go back, Amazon has all my needs

[@dangerhellbender3245]

The best product from today's show was the word "why", spoken as "ho-wwwhhhy"! Thank you. 10-4.

[@rahtorenripcore1699]

We need get FCC shut up regs with crazy fines. Hams the ones made fcc be butts built radios and transmitters that Jamed job local channels trying build ultimate reach out radios.

[@christophersmith1155]

your best video. it is a life style. just like Jay Leno and his cool cars. I got my first CB in 1974 and HAM license in 1977. I enjoy GMRS/FRS and MURS as well. My daily carry is a BTECH UV82-HP for both HAM and GMRS

[@CoolOldBiker]

Be careful on Facebook groups or other forums - .if you mention the the u v 82 used on gmrs - At least one " radio cop / sad ham will let you know it's not "certified " for gmrs ...lol N3AFA Wrmz889

[@craigdavidson5463]

Randy was being kind when he said 'lifestyle'. Its really an addiction. I've become addicted so bad I got my baofeng radio out doing cheap tricks in the alley so I can buy more baofengs.

[@briann2704]

Indulge me for a moment. Your wife answers the door, friends over for the evening. Where’s Randy they ask? Wife: He’s in the basement. Friends: I’ll go see him. Hmmmmm, door is locked. What is he doing? Wife: All I know is he has a laptop and a microphone and doesn’t come out for hours. Friends: Is that a new couch???

[@TheNotaRubicon]

TBH.. Thats pretty much how it goes down.

[@lrobie123]

using GMRS, HF, and DMR (hotspot). there is no us vs them anymore....

[@TH-oh8cw]

When I got into the Ham world I started going to a local repeater lunch that was held every week at a fast food restaurant. I found a couple of people I liked and learned from. Unfortunately the bulk of the group was made up of very sad hams. Most all of the people were very well versed in radio and electronics some with 50 plus years experience. Real hard core techs that were truly impressive but were still sad hams. I remember asking why I shouldn't I have my roger beeper on. You would have thought the place was on fire. Gnashing of teeth, exorsist style of convulsing in the aisles, cats sleeping with dogs, on and on. They lost their minds. I asked this question because Randy made the suggestion in one of his videos. I kept a straight face the whole time. What made my sad ham group even worse than the normal group was that it was 98% made up of a certain religious group and the ham part of the meeting was secondary to their church activites that centered around radio. The three or so people, including myself, that were not members were treated as outsiders. So cross a sad ham with a bunch of bicycle riding lunatics and you get a really messed up lunch meeting.

[@harrymarsh8477]

Ha ha, that's the funniest thing I've heard all day! "gnashing of teeth', ha ha! 👍

[@chrisjohnston1989]

I just ran across this video. Yes, I am a ham radio operator. But I really enjoyed your explanation and the humorbits that you threw in there. Actually, it is a very good discussion of GMRS. Keep up the good work! I’ll be following your feed

[@nickytembo4572]

Hi randy I think you’re a very intelligent guy I think you do excellent reviews on equipment and conduct good testing on products. But as Charles Emerson Winchester said why give creedance to those cretinous yahoo’s that you call sad hams? Even hams hate sad hams. Nobody likes a insufferable little know it all! Lol. So keep doing what you’re doing ignore the sad ham he’s not worth your you tube time. What you do is a service just like your hero josh who I also watch and others that he hangs out with. They like you are the true heroes of you tube that helps his fellow radio enthusiast. You say ham is a hobby that is true. GMRS is a service.that’s the key difference. A hobby is supposed to be enjoyable a service is supposed to be useful but can be enjoyable too. So too sum it up I enjoy both had GMRS since the 90’s with my radio shack 19-903 walkie talkie still have it one of the best at the time. And I enjoy the ham radio hobby as well. By the way on your recommendation I purchased a radioddity gm-30 love it also a pofung p52uv love it and I have Motorola frs. Keep up the good work and forget those sad hams they ain’t worth your effort. 73’s good buddy keep rockin.

[@glenstrecker55]

I love your comedy but what you say is true. There are sad hams in the world. A ham who enjoys assisting others in learning and growing in the hobby is referred to as an "Elmer". In contrast, the sad hams, those who tend to chase people off like a grumpy old man yelling at kids to get off their lawn, their frequency, their repeater, etc. we refer to as Fudds. So we encourage those licensed radio amateurs in all levels to be an Elmer, not a Fudd. I have both a GMRS and a General Class Amateur Radio license. I have an emergency service background and can see value in both and in CB and FRS. I live in Southeast Louisiana where we seem to be a hurricane magnet, so most years we can count on some sort of major devastation to hit the area where we lose all landline and cell phone services, electrical service and the Internet. Our radios become a lifeline for many. Several of us served as volunteers in the city and parish (county to the rest of the country) Emergency Operations Centers (EOC) in order to maintain communications for the government agencies during disasters. I'm sorry you live in an area with so much flying pork around. Keep your head down and keep these videos coming!

[@GWGMJ]

Long live CB Radio, F%$k ham radio and other licence requiring services

[@daniebiermann5361]

Time to make a T-Shirt: "I See Sad Hams".

[@JohnMackay-kn3rl]

I started on CB 60 years ago. Ham operator for more than 40 years. 73 from a not sad ham.

[@photolabguy]

I had a sad ham turn me away from the hobby. I wanted to get into amateur radio a few years back. I emailed a local radio club looking for some guidance, and I got a condescending reply back. That gave me a bad taste in my mouth and I now refuse to get in the hobby. GMRS is all I need. Have my family and a few of my friends involved in GMRS now.

[@chrissewell1608]

That is a shame. My local ham club is the same way. I just dropped my membership, and started again in the neighboring county. Its a great group of folks! So, don't give up. There are pricks in every hobby. Even the nerds are pricks too! That is all they have... 😩

[@mewster1]

Yeah, I like how when you are first considering the hobby, you hear about how welcoming and helpful the ham community is, but once you actually take the plunge, the reality is far, far from that. Bordering on hostile, even. I'm still involved for my own sake (I love learning and all radio), but I don't involve myself with this toxic group.

[@mtnbike4522]

Same reason I decided to not get into ham. local guys were all a bunch of tools and were too good to answer some basic questions I had.

[@wassman27]

All too common in most clubs, I believe it also is due to the average age of a ham. So "grumpy old man" syndrome also contributes. If you like to learn how radio works ham is for you and there are several hams around that will help you learn. I find most of these hams on the internet.

[@ARUSApacecarHAMPTON]

I’m so glad that the club I’m a member of is so open to new members and hold free classes open to the public to get their license. We have grown from less than 50 members to over a 100 in less than two years. Our older Hams are some of the best things about our club. They want new blood , because they know they won’t be around much longer and want to keep what we have built going.

[@luismaldonado707]

I like your approach! Yes! Sad Hams like to humilliate others. Specially GMRS people. The have trobles with their egos. That's the way I define them...In Puerto Rico we have a lot of Sad Hams... And they fight against each other. Im really happy with my GMRS systems and get the most of them specially for emergency communications. After Hurricane Maria GMRS radios got my family communicated. We were in advantage among other people.

[@Sniffyboy]

I love how we live in a world where old dudes fight over GMRS and HAM...

[@NickG]

Me love GMRS radio. Ham radio Is complicated and make my brain hurt.

[@therealwolfspidertoo]

First ham licence was issued in 1905 (source google)

[@briann2704]

Does your wife know you're doing this in your basement? I can't imagine what goes through her mind when or if she sees these.

[@Prep4SurvivingMe]

Amateur radio came into being after radio waves (proved to exist by Heinrich Rudolf Hertz in 1888) were adapted into a communication system in the 1890s by the Italian inventor Guglielmo Marconi. In the late 19th century there had been amateur wired telegraphers setting up their own interconnected telegraphic systems. so sayeth google.

[@groberts1980]

I have a HAM license and a GMRS license. I don't really get the "sad HAM" type of person, or the type to crap on GMRS users. I use HAM and GMRS and for completely different reasons. I put GMRS radios in two of my Jeeps so the wife and I can talk while on a trail or road trip. We just did a 3,300 mile road and camping trip with Midland MXT400's and they were perfect. HAM is more of a hobby for me. I play around with a 2m radio in my home office. All in all they both have great uses. There is no need for HAM and GMRS users to fight on the internets.

[@vindivergilio3482]

Why is it called a 'license'? It is more like a tax to use the air waves.

[@kenneychappuis1853]

Bottom line is two way radios are nothing more than a tool.

[@stevenpeterson8444]

every time you say “why” i immediately want to say “cool whip” like stewie

[@TheNotaRubicon]

🤣😂

[@stephenkolcinski3179]

I like your videos they are fun. I have meet a lot of the Sad HAMs, I have an Extra class license but kept my Novice call sign, the Sad HAMs keep telling me that I should upgrade.

[@franciskalil2870]

. 🇺🇸 T H A N X B R O ❗ L U V U R S T Y L E T E A C H E R ❗ .

[@nighthawk8773]

How about 38 channels now? No its not a stupid comment. If u have dual or quad monitoring, you can transmit on a rptr channel and monitor that 467 freq. In frequency mode.

[@W2IRT]

There are still only 22 GMRS channels (plus 8 repeater input frequencies). That's it. That's all there are. If you have a radio that will let you re-enter the same channels with different tones that's actually ideal. There could be a REV (reverse) button somewhere on the radio to monitor the repeater input, or you could program a memory allocation for that too. Some radios will let you, many won't.

[@chrish.3564]

Sad Ham's are the IT version of the computer nerd that fixes your computer at work and gives you the same attitude smothered in condescension. Always a joy to work with, if you get my drift.

[@KO4RXE-WRMR358]

@NotaRubicon received my GMRS license Brother Thank You , because of the education you provide simplifying to the understanding of( normal people) plus waiting on KGUV9GPRO with the NOTARUBICON discount code... 💯

[@dkillian33]

I have both GMRS and Ham. GMRS is great for family outings at State Parks camping etc. less formal and family can share. My Ham is enjoyable for long distance chats, nets etc. this was an excellent discussion. No sad ham here enjoy what meets needs.

[@shiftintohigh5564]

This was great. I see why you say GMRS is Ham for dummies. I have both. Not great at either. Not a Sad Ham. And I promise not become a.....dickhead! lol.👍👍😎🇺🇸

[@stevederjones7340]

Sad hams always resight the fcc rules

[@michaeleber4752]

HAM began in 1908 and got it's name from the 3 people that originally talked via HAM. The word “HAM” as applied to 1908 was the station CALL of the first amateur wireless station operated by some amateurs of the Harvard Radio Club. They were Albert S. Hyman, Bob Almy, and Poogie Murray. At first they called their station “HYMAN-ALMY-MURRAY”.

[@istbankodad]

GMRS has become very popular among the preppers. A sign of the times we live in. With GMRS you only need one license for the whole family. A throw back to the old CB days. Ham requires a license for each and every person who transmit, a huge disadvantage in my opinion.

[@skypilot0077]

I use both radio services. Honestly I never heard the term sad ham until I started watching your videos. So around here (Philly) we have sad hams and lids on ham radio and whackers on GMRS. Whackers are fun to listen too sometimes.

[@stlrsfan27]

My friend ....YOU ROCK!!! keep up the great videos and keep speaking the TRUTH... Be Excellent and ..Party on Dude.😎

[@Estakin]

The Radio Act of 1912 marked the beginning of U.S. federal licensing of amateur radio operators and stations ( thanks googles) the technology was made known sometime in the 1890's I think!!!! ( NOT A HAM OPPERATOR)

[@pupdaddymail]

Har! Excellent video. Right on the money too. As a ham that uses GMRS at least as much as ham repeaters I never bash GMRS, it's there for functionality only, not for technobating. I think that some older hams resent newer hams and GMRS users because their path to the hobby was a lot more difficult and expensive than it is today. They may resent the ease the new users are adopting the technology. And some of them have some pretty hateful thoughts and opinions about new Chinese radios on the market because they are more noisy than the expensive Ham radios that they hug and talk to every day. It is sad to see that kind of thing going on. GMRS is a great service and much better than CB radio in my opinion, it does the job it is intended to do very well. Keep up the good work, and I agree with you about Josh. Great guy. Jim WQXR840 KE0JQA

[@ernestrichardson40]

Sad hams talk very fast and knowledgeable and lack the LATER! SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY LACK THE SELF COMITTMENT IN FINNISHING A PROJECT!! IN OTHER WORDS THEY JUST LEARN WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW JUST TO GET BY!! Then they run to the reviews section, and here we go! THEY ARE NOW THE EXPERTS!! MAYBE IN THERE DREAMS!!! Like U said Randy It's Just a FEW, NOT ALL!! And finally if I don't know I ASK!! And I always hope it will be the truth and not basing it ON THEIR EGO!! *TELL ME THE TRUTH- NOT! WHAT I WANT TO HEAR!!! Thank U !! wrqy733 we are now out of HERE!!

[@hunterusa4039]

I really like your channel and have been watching a lot of your videos. I am both a Ham and a GRMS guy. In fact I even enjoy CB radio. My wife says I'm a radio whore lol! I like GRMS because I can outfit my whole family with emergency communications, and I even put up a Retevis repeater on GMRS Live and Repeater book after watching your videos. I recognize that I like radio which is why I have Ham liscence as a hobby but GMRS really is the best for using with your family and friends because I can hand my kids a radio, not break the bank account and know that if the towers go down we can communicate. I'm even exploring GMRS Live nodes which is a way cool national system for GMRS, just incredible. I've hit repeaters at nearly 20 miles with my raddioditty handhelds and I live in a small town that is only 5 square miles so for less than $500 I have a repeater, and all 5 of us have a handheld that does more than city wide communication. I think that is way cool. Of course, I do the radio nerd stuff too but I know some of my friends are 4 X 4 people so the radio is secondary to their actual hobby and that's cool too. There shouldn't be such hostility between GMRS and Ham. I think they both have their purpose and uses, and both are very important and awesome. I think CB is way cool too and I have some friends that I communicate with cb radio just as emergency communications in town. The bummer about cb is it is limited to 4 watts and I hope that someday they allow cb to have more watts because it is really a neat set of frequencies that is capable of so much more with more power! I am nostalgic for cb because my dad used one when I was a kids and we use to listen to the truckers on family trips. Keep the videos coming and take care WSBV341.

[@subiesojourner777]

Randy, screw the sad hams, don't let them run you off from getting your ham license. I'm an extra class ham and enjoy all of these radios.

[@TheNotaRubicon]

As soon as a ham license helps me talk better with my friends using their GMRS and FRS radios when i'm off-roading, i'll be first in line to get one.

[@subiesojourner777]

@@TheNotaRubicon I understand, but it is a blast, at least for me to make contacts in other countries. True, many of them give a signal report, talk about their rigs and such, but I still find it amazing that with a ground mounted vertical antenna and 100 watts I've talked into many countries. Now with some of the Chicom rigs it's a much cheaper hobby to get into. I'm an old fart now in y 60's and yes I've got some big bucks tied up in my ham shack. Anyway, I really enjoy your YT channel and especially your sense of humor. Sooo, if ham radio ain't your gig, do your gig which apparently you are. 😁

[@tgln]

The only reason why I am a ham is so I can have the same license plate on my cars.

[@RDavies126746]

I have had a GMRS license and a ham license for 4 years and actively use both. Where do I fit in??? WRCB803 KD2RFI Am I a sad HAM??? Why can't I be a Happy Ham??? I'm so confused....

[@toml.8210]

We used GMRS radios to talk at coffee shops during the Coronavirus lockout. We bought coffee & donuts for take-out, then sat in the car (dining room was closed) to eat & drink. We used the $10 eBoo radios to talk!

[@michaelvoorhees5978]

I'm gonna end up in prison because of this channel!!!!!

[@craigdavidson5463]

Not to worry... The FCC does not have the authority to bust down any doors or arrest anyone. They can only assess fines and that's after many warning letters. All the cases I have read where a "ham" was arrested, he was committing another serious felony such as interfering with police or jamming aircraft channels and in that case the FCC brought along a federal marshall to bust down the door and make the arrest. Federal marshalls do not care what is happening on GMRS frequencies.

[@pacayaoverland]

In the 1970's in Scandinavia the CB/27MHZ/11 Meters/ was good enough for me. My 27MHZ interest was the entry for my radar engineering degree. Today, living in Central America, GMRS looks like it will cover my needs of talking to my 4X4 friends while on the track/-s. - I don't see a need for an amateur/HAM radio, not for me. It's like you say, Randy, I just want to be able to talk to my 4X4 buddies, that's all.

[@josephjames259]

General class here. I thought I would have interesting conversations on the bands. Nope. Usually boring stuff about equipment, or political/religious crackpots. That is 80/40 meters. Sometimes it is far worse than the CB band. 2 meters and 70 cm can be interesting, but sometimes sad hams reside there, too. Most of them, however, don’t consider 2m/70 cm to be real amateur radio.

[@threatcore]

My sad ham story was when I told a local RACES group that I just got my technician license. Well that was a mistake. The "smart" guys basically laughed. You're right -- they're killing the hobby and chasing people away from it.

[@pacayaoverland]

On Sad-Ham's who has a massive urge to prove themselves to be smarter than most... How many of them are members of MENSA? - I'd say a vast/massive majority of them are not members of MENSA because they will not even come close to qualifying for a membership. What a surprise... ;-) Randy... Yes, you are right, Sad-Ham's are annoying. They are arrogant stupids. They are the ones who doesn't understand the difference of a good/long/teasing/69 compared to a 3 minute missionary, right? Meaning ... Sad-Ham's should be exposed as well as ignored at the same time. - Exposing them, making fun of them, is the best way of eliminating their attitude. I'm with you on this mission. Sad-Hams are best eliminated by words. - Let's keep it up! 🙂

[@ynot6473]

@ 9.45, good definition. amateur radio IS the hobby, GMRS radio HELPS other hobbies. and as a licenced amateur radio operator at foundation level (UK) i don't consider up to 50 watts as "toy" radio as my licence only allows me 10 watts!

[@mmcnew1]

As a ham radio licensee for 10 years I must give you the official and approved FCC regulation (per Part 90) of “sad ham” nomenclature for the “sad ham” affliction (or affectation as the case may be 😆). In the singular, as in ‘one’, the “sad ham” operator is called a “wanker”. In the plural, as in two or more, they are called “wankers”. When you encounter a condescending wanker on the air, the proper and effective disengagement technique is to raise their blood pressure significantly by verbalizing thusly, (but only if using any of the “phone modes” such as AM, FM or SSB, which is single sideband) by enunciating clearly and with proper modulation and with the microphone placed a perfect distance from your mouth, “Hey, buzz off wanker!”. This is the polite form. The impolite form is “f- -k off homes, and shove your 30 foot vertical antenna up the same rectal orifice your wanker head already occupies, it should fit just fine”. That is unless of course you are operating in CW mode using Morse code. Then you would send a very simple and abbreviated ..-. ..- which is the international and universally accepted “F U”. Now, I didn’t quite make it to the 10 paragraph book threshold like I wanted too, but it’s the best I could do. Hopefully this will help you and others dealing with “sad hams”. Basically, turn them into a “mad ham”.🤣😅🤣 (love your channel dude, keep em’ coming !)

[@mikeymouse4629]

Hmmm ... Did you forget to mention 'CW' communication in Amateur (Ham) Radio? That's where it all started, and has been responsible for more emergency communications than Voice (SSB or AM), or Packet. Unfortunately, learning CW also is the main reason for people not going for the Ham license. But, there is a relatively new Ham licence that does not require CW. Just thought you would want to know 🙂