@b0rtion In Degrassi

[@LyricAiLove]

This might be an out of left field theory. But, I think Craig might have also been going through a manic episode when he made the decision to raise that baby with Manny. I don't know if the writers intended that but his behavior and the overly excited demeanor seems to be hinting at it.

[@NotAVampyre]

It could be. It's one of those instances that could be that or a case of poor forethought. Hard to tell, but cool to think about

[@dalaciaj]

Wasn’t it first hinted at when he tried to run away with Angela and then stood in front of a train??

[@NotAVampyre]

See, you can argue that too. I've always taken them as the desperate acts of someone in crisis because they can sometimes look the same.

[@uniraffesaur]

I was under the impression that was what was happening, considering the intensity of his expression of emotion

[@gm.8805]

craig had abandonment issues. his parents passed away, and growing up, he never received proper attention and instead was abused, until he was under joey’s custody. i think his need for wanting a family to love and raise, plus an undiagnosed disorder explains his behaviour.

[@GG1Productions]

I just finished my rewatch of the entirety of TNG/NC and I loved seeing Lola as a "we've come a long way, baby" story. Both Erica and Manny had very heavy two parters when they ended their pregnancies but Lola made her choice and went through with it all in the first act unedited. We even see the procedure being performed which is the first time I ever saw one on TV.

[@NotAVampyre]

Exactly. I also love how it gave Degrassi a chance to show that it's not always a decision people agonize over. Sometimes you just know

[@tesorodelao6792]

Ashley’s poem is the best to describe the situation..... “It happens to other people, you say, how sad, you say, poor thing... but when it’s you, it’s EVERYTHING!

[@bestabothworldz2766]

I always thought the poem was about sa ,but I guess it fits to others.

[@JP-pp2tn]

i always liked goth ashley

[@xxcnb1234]

Ashley’s the worst for several reasons but announcing Mannys pregnancy to the cafeteria just to spite Craig is the thing that sent me over the edge personally. Manny had no idea he was still with Ashley either and her pettiness towards a very serious issue is pathetic and I judge Craig for getting back together with Ashley shortly after

[@NotAVampyre]

I can kinda see why she felt justified though. Yesterday Manny was apologizing and trying to make amends claiming Craig played her too. The all of a sudden they're lovey dovey in the hall AND they slept together?! It make Manny seem like a Grade A liar. Not to say it was the right thing, but I get why Ashley made that decision.

[@chaosspy6723]

It wasn't too spite Craig. It was too hurt Manny. Notice how Craig gets forgiven but Ashley never forgave Manny.

[@YoongisSeesaw97]

@@chaosspy6723 yeah she literally forgave Manny YEARS later and Manny was never her friend or anything to her so I never understood her hatred for Manny 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@tesorodelao6792]

Well, for one, I’m glad they both didn’t fight one another for Craig, they both caught him lying! Shit, even Ashley slapping him in front of the whole school was cool with me. Cus usually the side girl will fight the main girl when in fact is the guy to blame. Oh, and Ashley announcing it, ha ha was epic!

[@cheshirerose2001]

Even though it was low for her to do that I could understand why she did. Granted I do think she should’ve apologized to Manny because at the end of the day it was Craig’s fault However Manny isn’t exactly a victim in that situation, she should’ve known better than to be sleeping with an already taken guy and the consequences she was going to have to deal with . Though it did annoy me how the school was madder at Manny than at Craig even though he was the one who cheated but everyone seem to have praised him for it (like how Spinner was praising him for getting a girl pregnant) Ashley did seem to forgive Manny later because they were on good terms in season 7

[@jjthepikazard212]

erica's storyline was interesting. they do the thing where her & heather are on opposite sides of something & that's always a good story angle. i also appreciated how heather supported her

[@eva_art_0533]

Lola's abortion story is by far my favorite in degrassi. I loved how she knew what she wanted before she even confirmed she was pregnant. I know that if I was pregnant young than I would abort cuz for me kids are an option at all. I don't hate kids I just don't any of my own. And I loved how supportive yael was throughout it.

[@NotAVampyre]

Agreed!

[@HenshinHeroesMedia]

I did like how the doctors weren't judgmental

[@NotAVampyre]

Same. The only judgement we ever got from them was just reiterating that they needed to be more careful

[@theintuitivetaurus5454]

Personally I wouldn't choose abortion. However I think everyone needs to understand that having an abortion is a personal decision. There are life or death instances where an abortion is needed. Everyone is different . u don't have to like the idea or agree with someone doing it, but at the end of the day, it's the woman's body and she should have that right to end her pregnancy if she chooses.

[@Queerbookwitch]

Like this video says: You don’t know until it happens to you. You just don’t.

[@pacemason714]

I hate that all the pregnancy storylines weren't mentioned again after the episode, I definitely understand someone not wanting to talk about getting an abortion bc that's a sensitive and controversial topic but it's almost like degrassi is one and done with most situations like after a situation happens it's almost stuck in the episode and never spoken of again unless it's an addiction. Claire's break down above the dot was the only situation that no one really let go of until she had graduated basically.

[@YoongisSeesaw97]

Manny's was mentioned when Emma was having her rebellious days and Manny was trynna tell her she was making a mistake and Emma was like really you're the one to talk about mistakes at least I'm not getting pregnant or when she was about to date jT and Craig went to check on her after the abortion

[@sailorsister211]

Honestly, I wish we could have seen more of Tessa's side of the abortion, if you think about it she was the only one who went through it alone. Every character in Degrassi who had an abortion had someone be by their side. Erica had Heather, Manny had her mom, while Lola had Yael. While Tessa was on her only, I do believe it is pretty depressing to have an abortion, alone even if you are for sure that is the best for you, since no one likes abortion. No one is happy to get pregnant so they can abortion. Being in a similar situation as Tessa. My ex had a double life and ended up dumping me when I find out I was the side chick. I had pregnancy scary. I told him I might be pregnant and I will get an abortion. He was happy but never offer to accompany me or if I need financial help. Even if he didn't want to have this baby, anymore more than I did. Despite the fact he broke my heart, I still wanted him to be there since the thought of me going through this alone was just depressing even if I wanted to have an abortion. I am glad it was just a scare.

[@NotAVampyre]

Thanks for sharing your story! I also wish we could've seen more of Tessa's side too, especially with how different it was to everyone else's case as you point out.

[@ChristineTheHippie]

My favorite scene with Manny's pregnancy was the conversation with Spinner and Craig. Craig wanted the baby for understandable reasons but wasn't think about Manny or the baby and Spinner was trying to get her to see reason.

[@sailorsister211]

I really like Erica's storyline it was a whole pro-life and pro-choice battle. How does Liz assume Erica had an abortion, just bc she went to the clinic. My friend goes to Planned Parenthood for her yearly physical, that is the only place she can afford and trust. She always gets harassed by protesters even if she isn't getting an abortion. However, IDK if it's just me but I felt that storyline was random. Like the writers pull a name out of the hat, we never even got to see the type of relationship Erica had with Jason or how it ended. However, my fave storyline is between Lola and Manny. Lola knew what she wanted right away. She didn't feel bad about it, she felt bad that she didn't feel bad. Plus Miles has to be the first guy who was supportive of Lola getting an abortion. Craig and Dave were against abortion, while Joey and Jason never found out. Miles was only upset bc he felt like he should have been there to support her, not that she got an abortion. Then there is Manny, deep down I felt like she knew she wanted an abortion but was pushed into having the baby. Emma and Craig wanted her to go through with the pregnancy, even referring to the fetus as Maude, she didn't have a support system at home to ask for help. Her talking to Spike is made her stay true to what she wanted since she was the only person to ask if that what she wants. The moment Spike encourage her to decide what right for her, she had the courage to tell her mom she was pregnant and wanted an abortion. Manny was haunted by her abortion bc she didn't have the same support system as Lola. I'm sure once Manny got an abortion, her mother acted as if nothing happened. Emma and Craig gave her the cold shoulder. Manny was still the talk of the school, and the only person who actually talked to her with no judgement was JT. Lola even if she also had a strict dad, but she had a support system with her friends. The moment Yael found out about her having an abortion, they drop everything to be there for Lola, so she wouldn't go throught the abortion alone. Yael was there when Lola needed to talk. Before Yael, Lola was scared to go throught the abortion alone. Miles supported her decision and apology for not being there. Shay and Frank supported her decision 100%. So Lola was able to cope what happened unlike Manny.

[@NotAVampyre]

I actually think it made sense that Erica would get pregnant. In season 2 of DJH, we learn how excited she is to French kiss a guy and how much she wants sensual and romantic experiences. It makes sense she might be willing to have sex with a guy who seems to love her even if she didn't think she was ready because "that's what you're supposed to do."

[@ranii7895]

Could you do a video on addiction in degrassi? Also love your videos glad your doing more vids on the show

[@NotAVampyre]

Thanks! At some point I might, but it's not something I can commit to at this time

[@AndreeCynthia]

I really wish TNG or even NC went deeper in to the teen pregnancy like it was done in DJH. I feel like the raw power and emotion Spike and Erica were dealing with wasn't something we really saw in TNG/NC. Did a teen pregnancy happen? Yeah. But it didn't go as deep as it did before. And sure it probably was because we've seen the storyline happen enough for those who have watched all the Degrassi variants -- but not everyone has. Like i wish we saw Liberty break down a little more, I wish we saw Jenna have flashbacks of Ty but remind herself he's in a better place. I feel like for NC with Lola's, it was there, but could have gone further.

[@mckaylaarroyo]

I’m glad this was the first video i watched by you. YOUR BODY YOUR CHOICE

[@orangexylem]

Didn't realize you were a Hoosier. Hi from Tennessee! Our abortion laws are about to get prehistoric too.

[@NotAVampyre]

Hello from the north! Yup, an adopted Hoosier. Right now Indiana doesn't have a trigger law, but the state congress is pushing to hold a special session if Roe V Wade is overturned. I wish this wasn't reality.

[@uniraffesaur]

*cries in repealed Roe v Wade*

[@samirascarlett]

I was so angry with the girl effin with Erica I wanted to travel back in time to fight her myself lol. New sub here. Love the speech and the end you really get it.

[@NotAVampyre]

Thanks! I understand why Liz felt the way she did, but unfortunately she projected her feelings to override the autonomy of people like Erica.

[@dylanjohnson3346]

Yeah i cant wait to move out of this country

[@NotAVampyre]

understand that

[@dylanjohnson3346]

@@NotAVampyre btw love you videos degrassi fan girls 4 life

[@NotAVampyre]

Thanks! But id call myself just Degrassi fan minus the girl part

[@dylanjohnson3346]

@@NotAVampyre oh yeah im so sorry i forgot for a sec lol

[@NotAVampyre]

Haha all good!

[@loveremy2928]

When I was younger I always hated the thought of an abortion but as I grew older I realized that I didn’t want kids and if it happened by accident then I would absolutely get one because I don’t have one maternal bone in me 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@NotAVampyre]

Haha I'm kinda similar. I couldn't handle having kids because I value my free time too much and don't feel like I'll have the patience a good parent needs

[@ellagoreyshorrorstories7524]

The solution? Vote. The right to bodily autonomy was hard won, and it sux that America vaulted back into the Dark Ages with the overturn of Roe V. Wade, but remember, you won it once. You can win again. Don't give up.

[@terieber]

The first half of Manny's 2-parter was shown in the US but not the second, which means that Manny and Craig had unprotected sex with no consequences. It would have been better to skip the episode all together rather than cut part 2.

[@개굴-u3v]

I went through a huge Degrassi rewatch phase when I was 19. I ended up having an abortion around that time and remember sympathizing so much with Erica’s character every time I would watch those episode. Every single line she had about abortion hit so close to home.

[@bull705]

So a clear missed opportunity was any kind of backstory concerning Mia Jones. She gets introduced baby in tow and no sign of a baby daddy for a season and a half. Considering the burden she treats teen motherhood as I'm wondering if it was even her decision to have Isabella in the first place. Plus thanks to the actress' departure her character gets the best possible result. A fashion model career while Mia's mother raises Isabella. BTW, did Lucas or Jane inform her that grandpa Vallieri was a child molester?

[@NotAVampyre]

I think I'll have to rewatch Mia's story in those seasons and get back to you. Tbh that era of Degrassi is hard for me to recall sometimes

[@YoongisSeesaw97]

Mia was actually a great mother doing highschool and modeling making good money putting her daughter in ballet her mom doesn't "raise" her daughter for her she only probably takes care of her when she has gigs out of state Degrassi did a great job showing teen mom hood I like how they show how some teen moms consider getting back with the father when it's not always the best decision and how Lucas does eventually grow up and becomes a great father like when he found out his dad molested Jane and then saw him with his daughter and told him stay away from them both and leave go far away

[@michellesakura1]

revisiting this video today ahh

[@NotAVampyre]

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[@REDBONEPRODUCTIONS876]

Heather was a horrible sister she made everything about herself and even when she told her friends Erica lost her virginity that was so uncalled for and inappropriate.

[@NotAVampyre]

She still went with Erica to the clinic even though it went against her beliefs

[@REDBONEPRODUCTIONS876]

Erica's story was the most realistic

[@NotAVampyre]

How so? I found them all to be pretty realistic, and I don't see how one can be more real than another.

[@invadertifxiii]

emma was never mannys friend through the abortion, only at the end with craig.

[@NotAVampyre]

Id say she came around only at the end, but in a love the sinner hate the sin way

[@222daley]

Could you do a video on the Hollingsworth family as a whole

[@NotAVampyre]

I'm not really sure I'm interested in a video just talking about the Hollingsworths. If I were to do something, I'd probably break it up and tackle it from specific angles.

[@denisepellettier5524]

I think it a very personal decision and nobody should have the rights to ur body I’m glad I’m in Canada Toronto were Degrassi is filmed I was 18 when I got pregnant I didn’t even have intercourse the guy was running his private part over mine the sperm Swam up inside me thank god I had right to abort I was not finished school yet was on student welfare just trying to keep head above water already but I’ll tell u I was 16 weeks pregnant when they did it at morgantyler ( Not spelled right) and. they had protesters there like the ones Erika dealt with I was grateful when my mom offered and came with me then a school friend picked us both up drove me home mom took transit as she didn’t want to put friend out the staff was awesome one of the nurses held my hand through the whole procedure since mom was allowed which is one of reasons I asked her to come 2nd for her to deal with protesters I’m 50 now and even though I don’t have kids of my own due to another incident in my life I don’t regret doing it but do now and again think of what life would have been like had I decided to keep instead I met some older with 2 kids one 9 months old and the other 3 yrs old and I love them like they came out of me and have the sweetest granddaughter from my daughter the one that was 3 when I started caring for her and her bro their dad and I just clicked we been together 28 and 1/2 yrs now this was an awesome homage to the Degrassi alum I actually met Joey and went on date with him sweetest guy ever and did u know Neil hope died a lot of people who watched the show don’t RIP wheels

[@jacobbelow4136]

I’m sorry I’m late to the discussion here. I was off on a much-needed week-long vacation, which I don’t get a lot of since my job doesn’t provide paid vacation/sick time. But now that I’m here... It truly is abhorrent how so many people in such status’ of power feel themselves fit to pass laws that prohibit same-sex/interracial marriages in this day and age, and especially over matters about individuals and their own personal physical needs, and thus robbing them over their own autonomy! On the surface, it just might seem like an easy solution to just not have sex (certainly not when still in high school), but then there are some factors of unplanned pregnancies that others (specifically men) tend to over look, like the reason as to why women need birth control medication. To assume that things are as easy as “Sex can wait” or “You don’t need sex to survive”, paints the situation in such a dangerous false dichotomy. I’m glad that shows like Degrassi have the grace and maturity to tackle this type of matter in a respectful way. For my end, I’ve decided when I was a kid, that I never planned to get married and have kids, and I’m still in that mindset. I’m happy being single as I still have a large circle of friends. But I think it should go without saying that you should never have kids unless you’re ready to go out of your way to prepare for the unexpected that always comes with raising a new human being (which is a whole other level apart from raising a pet). There are those who want children just to keep a family legacy going or other reasons that ultimately just seem more selfish and just completely dismissive of the needs of the child in question. Raising a family means putting the child first and recognize that they will grow up to be their own being, and that what worked for you won’t automatically work for them. (And if they are missing some essentials while growing up, it can impact them in heir later years that may make it harder/impossible to turn around!)

[@NotAVampyre]

And sorry I took so long to respond! I'm glad you got some well deserved time off! Yeah, the "just don't have sex" argument goes hand in hand with abstinence only birth control, which is bs. This stuff happens, even to people being careful. Hell, it happens to people who don't choose to have sex. Stealing this private right while claiming people don't need it if they make "the right choices" is utter bs. And like you state, no one should raise a child who isn't ready to. That's not some divine punishment to the parent (particularly the one who gave birth), but a punishment to the one born. Even if all of their financial needs are met, they're unlikely going to get the mental and emotional care needed to thrive because their parent(s) weren't ready to have them. So much can go wrong even with planned pregnancies. It's so stupid and I hate that we're very close to losing this fundamental right that affects everything. Well, of course except for the politicians who get to play morality police while helping their mistresses/partners get abortions.

[@oooh19]

@@NotAVampyre yea they are very hypocritical!

[@angelina9345]

I only ever watched next class, but through these videos I’ve gotten a sense of all of degrassi. I appreciate how they showcase different outcomes and motivation for these choices.

[@NotAVampyre]

I feel the same. People criticize the show for re-doing plot lines, but what the miss is how.different each is. They aren't a copy paste of the previous one. There's always another perspective or take to show.

[@HaleyNicole11]

Love your Degrassi videos. 😊 Hopefully there will be a lot more once the new Degrassi comes out. Anyone know where to find updates on that?

[@NotAVampyre]

Thank you!! I personally don't have a source (bad at being a Degrassi news person) but if anyone else knows, let us know!

[@invadertifxiii]

wow i didnt know this crap in indiana, scratch that off my moving list!!!!

[@NotAVampyre]

Yeah it really sucks on top of medicaid access getting gutted on top of stagnant wages with rising col. Wouldn't really recommend Indiana

[@iiamkee21]

I loved lola story , when I got an abortion my whole family was against it but I just knew I didn’t want to do it at that time ! I was in school and the guy and I had just broken up it would have been bad. I’m glad my dad and mom had my back despite there beliefs

[@cheshirerose2001]

I am thankful to live in Canada where we can still have rights of what to do with our bodies, my heartbreaks for women in the US

[@NotAVampyre]

There's a massive push to take away rights from anyone not cis, heterosexual, white, and male here unfortunately.

[@NotAVampyre]

No, we don't do that here bro.

[@MrBlockparty57]

Am I trippin...? I really thought you already did a video on this topic. Idk maybe this is technically the same topic but with different points I havent watched it yet lol

[@NotAVampyre]

I don't recall doing one on this before...then again, I often forget what I've said in my own videos once they're done

[@angelicareti5669]

I love it degrassi is my life

[@NotAVampyre]

^^

[@angelicareti5669]

@@NotAVampyre thank you for answered to my comment it realy means a lot for me good luck in life succes with youtube

[@NotAVampyre]

Thank you!!

[@YoongisSeesaw97]

I just realized Manny and Emma are the same age is there any possibility that Manny's mom was a teen mom aswell? I think so 🤔 could that be why her mom was so understanding ❤️

[@amyxmay3677]

No she wasn’t, Manny’s parents are older than spike.

[@kelsey1467]

i believe with the right support a teenager can be a good mother i don't know if manny had that support and i do think that abortion is wrong but i wonder if theres some guilt for people that decsion what could of been even if you have children afterwards

[@NotAVampyre]

Manny definitely didn't have that support. I trust her when she worried about being sent away if she decided to give birth, and it would have been really hard for her to lean on Emma and her family or even Craig and Joey. It was a hard decision, and ultimately it was right for her. Some people may feel guilt, but others don't. Even if they feel guilty, they still made the right choice for them.

[@kelsey1467]

@@NotAVampyre and also craig excited now but i really doubt that would of lasted you can correct me if im wrong but it does seem like most people who get a teenager pregent don't stick aroud or are involved lucas vaughn case and point in a way

[@NotAVampyre]

@kelsey1467 it's hard to say. I don't have any data, but I wouldn't be surprised if Craig ended up like KC eventually

[@bestabothworldz2766]

I would have loved to seen one of them actually keep the kid ..

[@NotAVampyre]

Spike did, and Jenna tried.

[@barbarina012]

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[@erincochran1887]

I’ve recently discovered this channel and I love it because I feel like you and I could be best friends. I agree with all you have to say

[@NotAVampyre]

Thank you!! ^^

[@ElectroLyghtnyn20]

NotAVampyre you're one of my favorite youtubers since day one, and i hope u reach 10K subs in the future, i love you. However, the fact when Manny is my favorite character It's because she's the most beautiful girl I ever met but Lola on the other hand can be annoying unless she did a right thing about her body. Its their body it's their choice.

[@NotAVampyre]

Thanks!

[@jjthepikazard212]

i love lola so much

[@NotAVampyre]

she's great

[@Shycrochetqueen]

My opinion is I don’t agree with abortion after 15 weeks unless it is in the best interests of the mother health wise. I do feel abortion isn’t right for me but I don’t feel it is my right as a Christian to condemn someone who does I mentioned Christian because too many people use that as a way to justify hate.

[@jessinthecomments]

Very good video, especially the commentary at the end.

[@NotAVampyre]

Thank you!

[@invadertifxiii]

that is the exact response these men in higher power need to hear, "why should a fetus have more rights than the woman"

[@CutterHistorical]

Well thought of, I salute ur videos, it wasnt easy to talk about Im sure

[@NotAVampyre]

Sadly it got easier the angrier I got

[@CutterHistorical]

@@NotAVampyre but sometimes anger can lead to good videos

[@NotAVampyre]

True, but I dislike being angry. Not really fun for me

[@pamelaroldan8384]

thank you for using your voice to make this video

[@NotAVampyre]

^^

[@madij6163]

So sad that if I/someone I care about we’re in this situation there is nothing that can be done

[@NotAVampyre]

I hate that being so

[@nanalove1903]

I really enjoyed your video

[@NotAVampyre]

Thanks!

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

I am glad you mentioned all those characters and i hope everyone who gets pregnant to have a right to get an abortion if they want to.

[@NotAVampyre]

I hope that's the case someday. Unfortunately, it's not a right people have in many states in the US.

[@MartiErtel]

@@NotAVampyre You have done a great job on this issue!

[@NotAVampyre]

Thank you!

[@MartiErtel]

@@NotAVampyre Keep it up girl. I live in Ontario, so this is covered by our healthcare system. The US is going backwards, and women will die and children will suffer. No man has the right to even comment on this issue yet make decisions.

[@NotAVampyre]

I wish those with power felt the same