Strange Discord Raid Method that Bans Servers

[@turtleman5889]

Discord can’t fix their app even if they were threatened with a nuclear weapon.

[@LunarLiIy]

Honestly. I said “I’m 12 (to discord staff this is a joke, I am 18 years old)” in a server and I still got disabled. They requested my photo ID with DOB, face and discord tag. I provided everything necessary and fully visible and got ignored for two weeks. A week later I sent another. Got ignored. Another week (right after they said “if you don’t provide the necessary requirements we will delete your account”) I sent 2 more. Ignored again. And then they deleted my account of FIVE YEARS. Nearly 600$ and 5 years of communication with people down the drain because these incompetent fucks can’t fix the easiest problems. They don’t even have a support number for god’s sake. Only emails. Easily abused TOS + a guaranteed deletion because moderation staff DO NOT respond to emails.

[@spectrestaff]

Wrong, they would have made it just barely fixed and lock it behind nitro.

[@atsizbalik]

yea like discord on android was bad now its trash

[@youtube_name_125.]

Roblox too. They have so many issues with their game and website and yet they won’t even get to it.

[@integre23]

They wouldn't fix it even if aliens threatened to destroy the whole solar system.

[@hooting-ton5215]

So instead of discord, just deleting the message and banning the account. They delete the server and let the account carry on? Wow... just... wow

[@scientificallyaccuratespino]

Discord moment

[@zehoudini]

Y'know Discord Staff is only bots nowdays

[@hooting-ton5215]

@@scientificallyaccuratespino I know Discord is bad but holy shit, they keep suprising me

[@david-rf7tf]

correction:discord bans the server for allowing such content (even though they cant use their heads to realize the message was edited just recently and the message was sent several months ago), basically its a kick in the balls to the server owner for allowing that message for that long on the server

[@nanopi]

Well, nuking the whole server also bans the individual account that sent the bad content along with everyone else on the server.

[@MooseDaMuffin]

Solution: remove the chat feature from discord. The platform would be better off without it....

[@seamali4383]

😂L😂M😂A😂O😂 BRUH

[@electrifiedwits]

nah but thats the point of discord

[@qkyouko]

@@electrifiedwits thats the joke...

[@sp4c1fy82]

youre giving them ideas 😰

[@Exoblade2.0]

Yeah since calls can deal with that

[@CyberKnight1]

One solution would be for Discord to take different action on reported messages that were edited and/or older than a certain time frame. In other words, if reported messages are a week old and edited, just delete the message instead of banishing the server as a whole. But again, that's on Discord.

[@erkinalp]

When they do single out a certain user, they ban that user instead.

[@MissInformer]

For all that effort, they should just ban the user instead. It makes the most sense and honestly should be how discord operates. The only time a server should go down is if those running it are the ones engaging in the banned behavior and are in turn banned as users, since it's safe to assume that if the creator engages with banned content, they allow their users to do the same and replacing them at that point won't change the server behavior. Plus, shutting down the server without banning the offending users just encourages server ban evasion, and the problem will only get worse as people come up with these insane ways to bypass moderation efforts.

[@kuruuka1730]

Actually you can set up a bot and link it to a channel only accessible to staff and it can view edited messages and see if it goes against the rules and then they can go straight to the message and delete it as well as ban them

[@wumwum42]

Or send reports notices directly to a staff channel and only investigate if the message doesn't get deleted or if there are suspiciously many/ regular reports.

[@klaus6091]

well it's not just the server, you also get a warning or your account deleted if it's fairly new just because of one person posting stuff, overall a trash platform and it needs a competitor

[@Liggliluff]

Discord really need to take contest into account: - If the message was edited, then that wasn't the original content. - If the message is older than 25 messages in that channel or older than a week, it's not moderated anymore. - If it's a single message, it's an exception, not the norm of the server. - If it's a single user with multiple messages, it's a single user and not the server. - If it's from multiple people who has joined the last week or month, but the server is over a year old, these people are raiders. People can probably come up with more contexts to take into account.

[@hexinmajor3934]

This can be critical for blocking scammers who tries to send out links to scam sites. Real question is, does it also affect Discord’s ability to invite users to servers? We all know some servers can also be scams :/

[@kaiduwu]

You can allow list discord server invites

[@ignatcristian3036]

Meanwhile I reported a blackpill discord server with actual racists that encouraged others to harm themselves, filled with the most horrible human beings and nothing happened to that server. Not only I reported racist messages from the owners, co-owners,admins and normal members but I also sent a support ticket asking for the server to be taken down as it is extremely dangerous and nothing happened. I didnt even get a reply.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

Skill issue

[@DragonCanyon]

​@@My_Old_YT_AccountBlud really just said Skill issue to someone who wanted to report a harmful server💀

[@StreetDawg55]

​@@My_Old_YT_Accountdiscord skill issue

[@trashfireblog5147]

oh noes not the racismss so dangerous

[@soleymansakha8582]

this you irl 🤓 LMAOAO 😭💀🤫

[@nanopi]

The simplest solution would be Discord no longer bans servers for that. The second simplest, bot reports every edit to an offsite audit log, also continuously scan every past link for changes.

[@jerrywinstrom]

Discord needs to ban very very quickly or else their entire platform is at risk of a very terrible legal battle. Having any chance of specific bad content on their platform for an extended period of time is extremely bad so usually they will ban and restore servers once an appeal is made. Unfortunately that is what they have to do and the best solution for discord is simply hiring more moderation.

[@Dini]

Bots already can log every single edited message. I use dyno bot for edited messages in my server

[@jerrywinstrom]

@@PlavorSeol Unfortunately this issue becomes legal as some of the content that may be sent by the attacker is not taken lightly, from the eyes of the government discord's servers are now hosting very very illegal imagery which could get them in quite a lot of trouble.

[@jerrywinstrom]

they restore false bans quite quickly.

[@K1rby_4771]

As someone who's made a server myself this is a really helpful, thanks for making this :>

[@serpenz]

we the same :fire:

[@Archimedes.5000]

It would be helpful if it worked You have to count on raiders being stupid

[@sniperglaceon]

kiirrrrrby

[@Xudmud]

A very simple thing would be if Discord had an audit log that actually functioned like a proper audit log. Meaning show the content of messages that are edited (the before and after), show the content of deleted messages and if someone deletes their own message (last I checked it only shows if someone *else* deletes the message), and particularly if a message is reported check if it was edited and what the before/after was.

[@Aderon]

I think a good solution would be a server option that makes it so that posts older than 'x' days, and/or further than 'y' posts back in a chat can't be edited by non-mods. In general there's very few ligitimate reasons to edit a post older than a week unless you're managing something like a rules chat as a server moderator/admin.

[@KontainerKurtain]

i aint readin allat.

[@Corruptick]

This would be an effective solution. Alternatively they could make it so you can’t edit *links* in your posts after a certain amount of ‘x’ time or further than ‘y’ posts back without administrator perms. They could also allow you to tap on an edited message to see what it showed before (links and all) and if the previous message displayed no bad content it wouldn’t be counted and instead the message would be deleted.

[@bowldawg4394]

Discord really needs to add an in-house "disable message editing" feature for servers to make issues like this less atrocious

[@SerialElfYT]

@@robertplayz9157 Disable message deletion becomes a privacy violation fast. But disabling editing? Ez, and should already exist

[@Mister.madman]

@@robertplayz9157 who even uses slack?

[@Kechioma]

Bots aren't a good solution to this either, Discord API won't let bots read messages that are over 14 days old. If somebody really wanted to fuck with your server, they'd send a message, wait two weeks or a month or so, edit their messages, and nothing would catch it or notice it besides maybe the server's audit log. Say you ever piss somebody off that's a longtime member? They could edit some of their earliest messages or possibly edit a message that's somewhere in the middle of old and new so people couldn't find it easily, then boom, server terminated because they edited a buried message that's old enough that a bot won't catch it.

[@ベース-l1f]

The only real way to deal with issue is for Discord to actually do something doing anything in describe in this video just degrades the server experience.

[@Azuriian]

That was really helpful and well explained, like always, great content, and thank you so much!

[@Archimedes.5000]

Except his methods don't really work

[@max_wav]

@@Archimedes.5000 How so?

[@Archimedes.5000]

@@max_wavoh wow my comment got deleted lmao First of all, the filter can completely be bypassed by adding "?=://youtube•com/", at the end of the link ("." substituted with "•" cause YT keeps deleting my comment but you know what I mean). Also the whole filter doesn't work for hostnames with non-alphanumeric characters, so literally every punycode domain.

[@bitslightlydifferent]

I think that maybe a good solution would be to make report button also send edit history of the message so that discord staff can maybe sense what's goin on, if they would even care that is

[@lavarsch]

That's actually a smart solution, the problem is that it's just more moderation, they already struggle with standard stuff. Best would be to have a bot that checks for edited messages and send them in a channel only mods can see with a ping, to check if it's harmful.

[@Lone55345]

That removes the point of editing the message.

[@integre23]

Bold of you to assume discord even tries to solve issues

[@bitslightlydifferent]

@@Lone55345 it doesnt need to be public, it can be sent just only via report button to discord

[@silentspy_]

​@@lavarschwell there is Dyno and arcane who snipe edited messages but not messages that are sent days/months/years ago

[@midoutheboss]

He just exposed a whole community's method

[@BusterBrown1217]

If your server isn't too large you can also setup bots like carlbot or dyno or sapphire etc. to log every time a message is edited into a channel that moderators can see.

[@spider_sf]

This works for huge servers too, message edits arent common enough for bots to get overwhelmed.

[@PinkFreakCrystal]

I just set this up, didn't realize you could do that. Tysm!

[@BusterBrown1217]

@@spider_sf I wasn't really worried about the bots getting overwhelmed, more the moderators watching it.

[@Venompapa]

as a mod on one community server a can confirm this works perfectly.

[@notsam2270]

i feel like a counter to this could be botting so that after the ToS breaking edit happens, a bunch of bots who had already messaged at random times in the day would spam edits to flood the logs, and then the mods would only think somebody randomly raided the server logs for fun or something after taking care of the editing spam this sort of gets countered by verification systems but im sure there could be people petty enough to get all of those bots verified to carry on with the task

[@efendigibi]

0:24 "this person must have brain damage"

[@certifiedcertification7868]

💀 bro i saw it

[@certifiedcertification7868]

This is wild

[@itsyaboivoid]

​@@certifiedcertification7868you have a dpy server image

[@Ghosty_YT307]

They do and there is no treatment

[@GxldenVexii]

@@certifiedcertification7868no way this guy has a discord pfp ur found on google

[@overcheats4518]

knew this method existed is some form its being used actively to attack certain servers that sell stuff glad that you made a video about it and i hope discord will come with an update that will allow server owners to for example make it impossible for certain roles to edit there message, maybe even with an added time limit for edits that would be perfect that way you only have to check it for a certain time period or not at all

[@Liggliluff]

Yes, seems reasonable that you can't edit a message that is over an hour old, or 15 messages old, whichever happens first.

[@overcheats4518]

@@Liggliluff we need some thing like this asap

[@SyncronedStuff]

Missed opportunity to put a Minecraft mining gif when the word "Minor" dropped

[@naisshdll]

He did it in his own server I got banned for sending a anime girl that is smol and knocking iron

[@anwthon111]

​@@naisshdllexcuse me... WHAT?

[@_ish]

Discord yet again not doing anything to improve their platform :/

[@kuroodo_]

5:00 RIP people trying to edit their messages when they mess up the URL or have a better URL

[@xVngi]

I was in a server that got terminated, I was an admin I lost my account from 2016, contacted support got auto response by a bot, then I reached out on twitter they " attempted to help " until I showed them why I was banned and boom got ignored, ghosted no response and now my account is delete, got to love discord!

[@CEmpty2044]

Discord needs to add a Function to set a time for how long you can edit a message in servers. This would also be a good feature.

[@SillyCreatureOwO]

Discord should just keep track of edited messages for this exact reason

[@WickerBasket9]

As a person who's made a wiki server for a show that doesn't exist over here, this'll come in mighty handy over here! Thanks for the video!

[@SW3D3N_]

Easiest solution is just to add logs to ur server. It will show when the message was sent and when it was edited. Hopefully it's enough for discord to understand that it was changed later on when no one realised

[@xTl0]

Important to note, if you do the regex thing you might want to additionally add an alternative thing for http too since http links can be sent in discord Edit: Sorry, the replies to this comment are correct. I dont really know regex that well but I just saw it contain https so I assumed it only matched on https urls, so sorry for any confusion I caused

[@IotaBlack]

the question mark after the s makes it match with or without that s

[@BryanLu0]

* matches any character, so http is covered

[@IotaBlack]

@@BryanLu0 in regex a * means "match the previous item 0 or more times". secondly, the * in the regex is in the middle and does not affect the matching of the protocol.

[@ArtByAhri]

i always say discord can’t be worse than this, but then ntts uploads a new video proving me wrong

[@Levantris]

Thank you a lot, NTTS! I manage a server of nearly 700 people so this came in very handy.

[@AliAvali]

Yup. Glad that I'm not using Discord anymore for my community. So much of Discord is ran and moderated by AI which hurts good people instead of the bad actors. Been using Guilded for 2 years now and at least they track things back and review edit history.

[@floams]

as someone who scrolls up and reads older messages for some reason i see this as an absolute win

[@just_iblue]

dyno has logs for message edits, so could be controlled a bit

[@MissInformer]

That feeling when you're so quick to the draw, you forgot about the recoil lmao

[@MrRoxAlot]

8:34 more NoTextToSpeech whimper audio please

[@GorastMK]

Wow this was very professional, it's interesting hearing these experiences & tactics from an experienced Discord mod, very cool.

[@Esiv0_]

"experienced discord mod" ☠

[@skylarkblue1]

Fun fact: YAG is actually part of the crypto scam ring of discord bots.

[@tomsterbg8130]

Pro tip: make a mod logs channel for edited messages and make your mods look through not only the active channels, but also through the logs of edited messages That should be enough, but if it isn't you can setup a reaction system and filter content better so the log channel would show only relevant content and it would require modsto react to a message in order to ensure it won't get deleted in the next few hours.

[@djxijcnfnmsmdi]

This is why your server needs to be moderated and use a bot to check edited messages

[@Akel-di4kx]

Yeah we use Dyno for logs and edited messages, it's pretty useful for that type of things

[@djxijcnfnmsmdi]

@@Akel-di4kx and arcane

[@supersillysammy272]

Yep, we use Carl-Bot for logs and deleted messages, it helps a lot

[@bangedmybro]

​​​@@Akel-di4kxu will check every edited message and check if it contains _bad stuff_ ?

[@djxijcnfnmsmdi]

@qbcd logs every message that gets deleted or edited

[@46620]

as someones whos worked on link embedding for their own site, replacing the image that gets embedded from the link (if it's set up like in 5:32 and not a direct link to the image), the image won't update unless the message itself is updated/reposted. It's a fun quirk of the caching setup discord has

[@epocguy2070]

2:13 that's oddly specific

[@lancergameing]

thanks man, ill use this information to not get my server banned by these type of raiders also fire content as usual, keep up the great work

[@ourladypeace3]

You could just check for edited messages in logs, or you could delete your own server before any raid can happen

[@loco_chicken]

Stuff isnt logged after 14 days. Same reason purge doesn’t work after 14 days

[@moseschong33]

funny thing is, if you look up live leak accidents on youtube, some are still floating around. It's still gore

[@agentallegator]

"level systems are a big pain in the rear end" (ntts using a level system in his server)

[@StarSkies-]

As someone who just watched one ad from the beginning, I can confirm this is an amazing video.

[@dark_shadow6000]

Hear me out. What if you don't make a level list, but just give image perms to people you trust? Ofc it still has some holes, but its better than a level system where the raiders can grind to get it, bc if someone is gonna get your server terminated you can usually tell ahead of time

[@theepicduck6922]

Yep that's basically the lowest level solution.

[@mariotheundying]

Some manipulation master gonna bring some trust issues to people

[@bowldawg4394]

closed community servers really are the safest way to keep things safe, if you aren't looking to make a big server that is. moderate who can make invites, only have them handed out to those you trust, and make sure to routinely invalidate any stray invite links

[@Luna5829]

another useful thing is using probot, because it has a logs feature, which shows you whenever a message is edited/deleted or anything like that, including when probot removes a message for example

[@lolxdlolmfaololxdd8879]

discord is no longer a small indie company yet they still act like one

[@Shido-kun.]

Wow, I never knew automod could be THIS big of a powerhouse. I have almost 5 years of moderation experience and this is just chef's kiss.

[@ciach0_]

5:40 You can't do that, Discord caches embeds with the images for us so nothing like this happens

[@davr1]

Media caching can be disabled using a http header, and discord will actually create a new cdn entry for the image when the message is loaded again.

[@ciach0_]

@@davr1 Thanks for correction!

[@Noperison]

1:18 the worst case probably would be gore because that stuff really fricks you up

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

4:54 das hawt 🔥

[@H0ttabych]

The only issue is that if messages are really old/far behind, bot won't see edits on them

[@antikommunistischaktion]

Mox's server was actually targeted with this, luckily he was able to mitigate it. You know, Discord could fix this right now but given the leanings of Discord admins they never will. Make it so that messages are only reportable for a certain amount of time after they're sent. Say 24 hours. After that reports against that message are automatically ignored. That would destroy this raiding method and prevent other forms of false flagging.

[@someoneelse5350]

But if a server really is sharing bad images, they would post a basic message, pin it, then after a day they can edit it and even do multiple messages a day ahead/multiple images per message. It would only slow them down

[@fabiofanf3e813]

​@@someoneelse5350good, better having 1 cp being distributed per hour than the copious amount of 39999823846826e+ Yottabites they get per second Does it solve it? No, but it solves another problem while helping fight back

[@BearUmbrella]

Thank you for this, I have a discord server for a school club and I’m scared that there are raiders going to make my school’s channel banned

[@Totally_a_Simp]

I have a kind of solution to prevent this happen You can use carl-bot to do this Use the /log channel command and select a staff only channel (preferably a new channel) and you can see all the message changes that everyone made This works best with smaller server because the amount of messages being send out is easier to check daily

[@christopherrogers532]

It should help solo acts as well but I'd need to check. :)

[@canable]

your content is so limited yet you still make banger after banger

[@snowycon]

mom im in an NTTS vid 0:53

[@PreviouslyEldritch]

it’s sad how bad discord moderation is but I have to admit, props for the pretty smart way to get a server banned

[@setrastuff2]

2:18 how did bro get that image 💀

[@jamalhillegass2232]

he did some "Research"

[@internetaddict1642]

thanks for the tutorial! this is very useful for me since i regularly visit plenty of servers. your tutorial just made my job so much easier!

[@Feintik]

7:47 is this a cry for help? 🤔

[@meeplymoon8391]

You are so organized and such a good problem solver. I love you! Nohomo.

[@Vince-HD]

Nice dude! Keep up the good work, hopefully you'll have even more subscribers soon!

[@WhoAppeared]

I've been waiting for a while for you to make a video about server guide. It'd be great if you make one.

[@kaibr]

if you wanted to take the time and resources, you could make a discord bot that stores the hashes of every piece of media sent in the server along with what message they were sent with, and you could periodically check all the messages with media in them agains th elist of what should be there

[@Firelight7118]

YAGPDB is also one of my favorite bots! I trust it more than Mantaro. And Mantaro is my longest used bot in my 8yrs being on Discord

[@4pii4]

6:47 'every single links' bro the regex is [a-z] and it doesn't know about unicode

[@tercmd]

Although, Unicode can't easily be used in a regex. What would be nicer is if AutoMod converted URLs into Punycode (using regular characters and starting with "xn--")

[@chesterchub]

Thank you NTTS! Hey guys, wanna hang out in MEE6 server?

[@deletedusr0000]

1:47 WHY WOULD U SHOW THIS. its actually a video on PH

[@GuyThatCREATESRandomStuff]

How do you know?

[@glorkish_james]

@@GuyThatCREATESRandomStuffgreat video

[@GuyThatCREATESRandomStuff]

@@glorkish_james HOW DO YOU KNOW?

[@glorkish_james]

@@GuyThatCREATESRandomStuff how do you think

[@zacharygrossman8316]

The fact that the videos you suggested for corn were real has me dying omg

[@EnBunk]

A naked man fears no pickpocket.

[@AquaQuokka]

Bro is still spamming the same comment on every vid

[@Liphyrus]

The fact that i actually searched “hot elf girl visited me in my dreams”

[@njo-]

Degenerate

[@mossley_]

Down bad

[@BlueBeardW]

gotta love the fact that all the comments on the 2nd certain video ntts named are all saying they came from this video (not like that) gotta love this community

[@Vexeronix]

or get a message logger, asked my friend to delete the image of my exact pinpoint location, and that's how i learned about message loggers.

[@simplysampletext1666]

Day whatever of mentioning how much I love the outro kiss

[@zlippity2080]

my favorite part of the video is the end not because he stops talking it’s because the ending is funny

[@Charisios10]

Thank you NTTS! Finally my server got banned for this and now i finally know why!

[@TOMATO.HEAD_]

thx for letting me know how to raid servers 🥰

[@eggstatus5824]

Ya know, I kinda feel bad for any server moderators. Obviously not all of them are complete degenerates, some of them just want to host a safe community. But the kind of shit they have to deal with is nuts

[@That_Puppet]

Its crazy how many dozens of exploits could be completely removed by just adding a timer to edits or removing edit altogether

[@TacticalAce1]

You could also log all edited messages in your server and have mods check them

[@wackymoder]

Even the final solution is easy to get around. You can have : in a url even in the middle, when you go to the website it gets decoded into a different character, but its message phrases. Same thing with // if you have a custom webserver that redirects everything to one single mp4 or gif file.

[@FireLock49YT]

Solution: Discord makes it to where when ever someone sends a message, rather it be in a server or in DMs, that message gets put on a invisible timer and when it runs out that message will no longer be editable. Maybe they can even make it to where you can change how long that timer is in a server if you are a server owner. I'm thinking 30 minutes is perfect.

[@Ie_Froggy]

This makes terminating scam servers way easier, they tend to have shitty moderation. This is great :)

[@ItsOmeyYT]

Discord: Finds a issue and waits a month to fix it Discord: Finds a issue regarding nitro abd fixes it in less than a second

[@devdoctor6351]

Love the ROBCO terminal theme. Thanks Vencord

[@finzard887]

'Hot elf girl visited me in my dream... nothing specific' 💀

[@Charlie59876]

now i'll just upload my gore to youtube and spam it on the server it's a competition between which gets banned first, the youtube video or the discord server

[@M3D1C2121]

Had this on in the background while working, heard the word regex and physically recoiled 😂

[@ODrGaming0]

Elf girl vid is actually good

[@scottbisco6793]

It's strange one of the oldest tricks in the book still works on discord lol I swear bro people were doing this on other platforms, am I the only one that remembers that shit?

[@christopherrogers532]

lol that sound he has going at the end about having to setup such things because he ended up talking about them. XD

[@BackWoodMaurice]

thanks for keeping us safe ntts bc if you didn't, no one else would :)

[@Nexit1337]

we litterally have a bot that has "recently edited messages" and "recently deleted messages" page in the discord mod pages here kek

[@XdekHckr]

0:40 bro I am literally using same theme on discord web, just setted it some days ago

[@1TheExpertGamer]

I will add this in my server straight away

[@kojiiarfell]

This is out of nowhere, but one thing I feel they should add a Birthday badge or something related to your birthday that appears on your profile ONLY when it's your birthday... It being my birthday today i got the thought of this, LOL.

[@emily1]

The thing with allowing websites and in the youtube example is; you can find child abuse and porn content on here and allowing youtube as a exception would just allow backdooring through official youtube links, no better fix than discord actually fixing moderation really