NOTHING Is Actually Being Fixed and I Think I'm DONE

[@BigDucks]

I don't want to be the doom and gloom guy, I genuinely really don't... but I cannot in good conscience continue to say that things are not the worst they have ever been. This is the worst set of changes that PoE has ever received and it genuinely does not look like they have any intentions of changing course here. Not only are the changes completely ignoring EVERYTHING meaningful, but they are being sneaky and deceitful about them as well. In 3.15 they were completely up front about the nerfs and made them front and center, people were obviously upset, but we didn't have to question GGGs motives, it seemed like they genuinely thought these changes were good and needed to happen. This time around they hid the MOST IMPACTFUL CHANGE TO LOOT WE HAVE EVER SEEN from us until people had bought supporter packs and mystery boxes. GGG is cashing in every single bit of good will that the community has left and unless we get an absolutely 180 degree turn around from this current stance of theirs I don't see a meaningful future in Path of Exile, for the game itself, or for me playing it. The ball is in your court GGG, I hope you do the right thing.

[@jockmonsieur7272]

idk im alch n go t14-16s and getting a shitload of drops now. Whatever they did in the very last patch made a big difference.

[@thunderwarrior2459]

As if your the only one feeling this it’s okay to be down and out seems like 90% of players feel the same

[@Shiroco]

Well, good luck in another game. GGG is doing fine and I'm having fun (even before the current patch). The patch improved the drops noticeably. I'm honestly glad that GGG is not like most other companies who cave instantly because they make unpopular changes. Every time they nerf something people freak out but in the end the game is still good and fun. Having more and more isn't always good but it takes longer to realize that getting everything you want will utimately make it mean less.

[@dinho178]

I just leveled my heist build. Minions suck balls right now.

[@Razahoo7]

Good riddance to you honestly. Your kind are the worst for this game and humankind in general. Like to throw around clever words and fallacy's that you learn from a quick wikipedia article making you think you are now some psychology master. You are a nobody asking a top tier dev to do what you think is best. I wonder who truly knows better hmmmm.

[@IceTax69]

Around a year ago, Chris said that they wanted to make every build viable, but with archnemesis mods and overall difficulty increase, i suppose that was a big lie. Im frustrated because PoE is not a game anymore that i can pick up and play for fun, its like having a second job

[@raulansbach5238]

it's funny that they did that in ritual, where you could do most builds and then proceeded to remove all of those possibilities

[@Kasumi69118]

Whoah now hold your horses, every build with enough investment can beat Kitava, what else do you expect???

[@luisfernandomendozaperez5314]

@@Kasumi69118 ..... 4 real.......(hope it was sarcastic)

[@Seymour101]

poe has never been anything else than a second job , the game was never intended to be played casually . I dare anybody that isn't extremely good with arpgs or video games in general , to finish the poe campaign without dying like 100 times. The game has just been getting harder & harder over the leagues with very little in the way of help for new players , you can't play the game without having to check the wiki every five minutes, and the fact that most of the game mechanics are not explicit ( like the chance of getting a 5 link from a fusing , or the fact that you need a relatively rare currency to undo the changes to your passive tree) means that new players will systematically brick their build and have to start over. As an experiences player I don't mind that but to suggest that poe is a fun casual game that you can play 1 hour of and feel like you've accomplished something is foolish.

[@NathanCassidy721]

The problem with that mentality is that in order to make all builds viable, it requires them to make the game easier. Which is the exact opposite of what they want to do. And there are some builds that are just not fun to play mostly because they aren’t efficient enough to get through maps. Which is why people go for the top builds in the first place.

[@rawrproductions5963]

the reason they removed that massive quant bonus is probably so that the touched mods of the arch nemesis dont drop 50 alchs or 35 maps and so on, which then again results in archnemesis being the sole reason, every thing wents to shit. its ironic because thats actually the meaning of the word "archnemesis" . your worst enemy to encounter.

[@willbrock2670]

Removing few mob's mods or making them insanely rare? No. Screwing up the whole game? YESSIR.

[@dadeee7776]

It was busted in parties I mean most things are but yes this makes sense 🤣

[@adalos1953]

Like 75% of my AN loot explosions are flasks or crappy armors. Wish I had some currency or 6L ones.

[@gureteun9563]

Yeah I definetely feel like they deleted the historic quant and quality out of fear for it stacking up to much with the changes to arch nemesis loot.

[@INeedANewHandle]

Chris wilson is just a terrible game designer, who is willing to kill a perfectly fine game by being extremely stubborn. Someone get a community fork going asap

[@sinnlos229]

7:13 I feel like you should've finished that hypothetical, some people don't have a hand for math and probability and I don't want them to get the wrong idea. 12.5 items. If you start at an imaginary 100 items, then nerf it by 90% to 10 items and then buff it by 25%, that doesn't leave you at 35, it leaves you at 12.5 items. That's how hard we've been shafted.

[@leraidnrop9927]

Yeeeep

[@BigDucks]

Agreed, my bad on that. Definitely an important part and I skimped a bit.

[@PlsDontReadThis123]

@@BigDucks all good, you are still shining a light on a community issue. Thank you!

[@sinnlos229]

@@BigDucks the idea of making the percentage buffs more tangible with an example like that was really good nonetheless. Great video Duck, thank you for covering this

[@Mystical_Goddess]

Amazing explanation.

[@samosvatov]

They have been so greedy with the loot like we are picking real money from their pockets. I really don't understand why they are doing that.

[@eraman7]

Yeah for fucking 3 month league.

[@skyler1469]

@Stefan Rial more loot more shit to keep and sell, nice

[@jerklord23]

this was a league of nerfs with the drops and even skills were nerfed what do we get nothing

[@Jaykeefer625]

imagine making a huge change like the atlas passive tree where it was one of the biggest and most popular leagues as people finally got to play the content that they enjoy...GGG probably made a killing by how high the retention rate compared to other leagues were.... THEN they make a huge change nerfing everything that everyone plays this game for...loot...and now you will have one of the worst retention rates ever. period...and lost a lot of future players, and some players have lost all hope and will never come back.....tsktskts. who woulda thought...make good changes you make community happy...we give oyu money... you make awful changes and dont tell us what kinda nor how much......fk you we keep our money now

[@Hateful_Bug]

Next i will say counted as Meme through whole PoE community but now that's feels like truth: "They don't know what they doing" - - - I wouldn't accept the fact that they know what they doing and doing it properly, i didn't accept this shit...

[@panayiotismarkou6068]

The thing is that a normal player with a normal build cannot progress at this point. Anything with AN mods has too much life and hits like a nuclear bomb. That plus the fact that loot is nerfed you end up getting almost nothing from each map. Constant deaths and limited loot means no upgrades, means stuck at the same spot for too long, means boredom, means not having fun. I understand loot nerfs but why the pinata has to made out of titanium while Im being handed a stick?

[@Demortixx]

This is me

[@eabe_7397]

A pinata? Nah more like a bag of dog shit. Left at your door and put on fire.

[@iaxyz]

I can't make it beyond T2 maps because (a) I don't drop T3 and (b) even T2 are kind of rippy.

[@Shindo13371]

I'm a returning player coming back after Ultimatum league and just hit my first map. Had zero issues with campaign and cleared in in reasonable time. But when I go into the first map despite everything else up to this point being fairly trivial a random archnemesis mob insta-one-shots me. Nothing to dodge as far as I could tell. Just a tier 1 fucking white map and I couldn't complete it because a random mob is harder than act and map bosses. My motivation is just gone, I feel like. It's like the designers are just saying, "Go pick one of a handful of hyper-optimized build guides and follow it perfectly or get fucked." Perfect builds or get one-shot in t1 white maps. Ridiculous.

[@xYo4hix]

@@Shindo13371 it feels like they want you to play tank instead of glasscannon, SC talking.

[@mongobaracuda]

Wish everyone would just stop playing so they have no other choice but to fully revert the changes.

[@Midnah8]

Stopped playing for this reason, its the best way to send GGG a message of disapproval. Surely everyone can find something else to do until GGG fixes poe.

[@bl1nder898]

The SOLE reason I'm still palying is because I took a week off work, had I know this will happen I obviously wouldn't have. I took a week off work and I'm still playing, but I can guarantee this is the last time I do this. This whole fiasco is just insulting

[@nitescuvalentin6872]

I took a week off too. You know what i am gonna do? I'm gonna take my family somewhere nice for the weekend.

[@zerophyx7902]

you took a week off to play a game? xD

[@musicwelikemang]

@@nitescuvalentin6872 you sir have beaten the game. Congratulations. Enjoy your family time

[@nitescuvalentin6872]

@@musicwelikemang yes , i will.

[@g76agi]

@@zerophyx7902 they took a week off to do something they enjoy... What are you supposed to use it for?

[@johnmuir8878]

It's almost like when gas goes up 100% over a year or so, then when it drops by 18%, you expect "credit" while entirely ignoring how it's still a crap price....

[@dieterschneegans1850]

I don't understand their 'vision' for the game. Kill everything that made it popular in the first place? Disappointing, because I once believed GGG was different than other companies. But their arrogance and out of touch-ness is starting to become their downfall

[@XxgoodbudsxX]

Different? Have you seen the price of their micro transactions? Some of the worst I've ever seen. This company is greedy as fuck.

[@haraldgutzinger6099]

Made it popular? It was popular in the beta, it was never unpopular. And the current state of candy crush of exiles has nothing to do with the beta - which made the game popular.

[@suzakucsgo]

@@XxgoodbudsxX i don’t think you should blame that, they are a free game after all

[@TilveranWrites]

@@XxgoodbudsxX The supporter packs aren't too bad, but those standalone microtransactions, yeah, crazy high.

[@michaelkeha]

A company gets this way because their fans let them get this way I've noticed the players of this community will fight tooth and nail to keep GGG from doing thing things like explaining themselves properly in game with their systems just shooting more and more links at a new players just to they can play the game

[@SavageTriple7]

Been plying PoE more or less casually on and off for the last 6 years and this new league is the most frustrating and boring experience I've had so far. There's just so many things that went in the wrong direction the last 1-2 years which just completely killed the fun for the average player. Sad to see the game go like that. The new loot changes are the absolute cherry on top though.

[@arjunratnadev]

GGG proving they can be just as incompetent and corrupted scumbags as other bad game devs

[@rayd7964]

did you not hear what Chris said? this game is NOT for the average player. they do not care about you. this game is only targeted for the "PROPER GAMERS"

[@1nekrus]

@@rayd7964 then Chris should add hard mode to appease "HaRd cORe PLaYeRs" ad leave avrage players happy

[@iaxyz]

I've been a casual player for "just" 3 years now and I had fun in the last couple of leagues and have been able to reach some of my goals e.g. kill a pinnacle boss. This league I can't make it beyond T2 maps. (a) because there are no maps dropping and (b) because my character does nothing. It's so frustrating to kill a map boss in 1s but need 5s for a random blue pack that ended up with crazy res and I don't even want to start with rares. I think I'll end the league at this point.

[@fang_xianfu]

It's sad because in some ways the game is in the best shape it's ever been. I loved that they killed watchstones, leapfrog, all that. And before that, elder and shaper influence, the elder ring, sextant blocking. That all sucked. It's never been easier to be a casual player who just wants to progress their atlas and have some fun in maps. The atlas passive tree is so good! And build diversity has been getting better and better! I remember leagues where 40% of the playerbase were playing the most meta build. Nowadays a build gets 10% of the playerbase if it's top-tier. Great work there tbh. At the same time the actual content when you open the map is so... meh. At all really comes down to the way Archnemesis has been shoehorned into every aspect of the game instead of going core as its own league and being treated with the seriousness that that required.

[@Koncura]

Tbh this league has killed any enthusiasm I have in playing PoE. I'm an extremely casual player that only plays a league a few weeks then stops, but I'm not even going to do that this league. I mean when I can't even get basic currency to enable my build by buying skill gems so I need to trudge through doing a quarter or even half of what my build is attempting to do. It's horrible, I think I'm done unless something changes massively.

[@ThanhLai5]

I think I'm done as well. I've never felt this disappointed since I joined PoE (2018). GGG is willing to die on the hill for Archnemesis for no particular reason it's just ridiculous. I just can't understand Chris's and his team's obsession for PoE to go the way of Diablo 2. Even after they have successfully built a ARPG with a deep (and interesting) crafting system.

[@RayBros]

I'd love for last epoch to just drop multiplayer rn and take the money I would have used for boxes or supporter packs.

[@saffira35]

path of matth also left the league. GGG seems not interested to save the Kalandra league. I really wonder, how their investors may think about this....

[@TheJockwa]

I agree that the "loot explosion" is a problem but If they want us to pick up rare items, where is the smart loot?

[@robertg7249]

if they did smart loot for rares, rares would be rarer than most uniques. and then crafting would go down the fucking drain, because u can just pick up semi perfect items from the floor.

[@HadesCannotBeBothered]

YES FUCKING I HAVE SAID THIS 50 TIMES.I. ssf so just give me map rolling currency at a decent rate and drop 50percent less items but smart loot everything

[@Goulou_]

@@robertg7249 but that's what they literally want, at the state the game is rn nobody will pickup random rares to id them and then get an endgame tier crafted item with the current state of loot so either go one route or the other, rn the game doesn't make any sense

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@robertg7249 I mean you can't have it both ways. Either you have lots of loot and thus most of it has to be pretty mediocre so that people will craft most of their gear rather than being more likely to find a good drop on average, or you reduce the amount of loot and raise the quality of loot being dropped by a fair amount to offset the reduction in loot. Both methods achieve the same goal but instead what GGG did was reduce the drop rates without giving any meaningful increase to the quality (or rarity) of items being dropped. What the players are left with is less loot i.e. less chances to roll good drops out of the hundreds of items that drop in a map. I agree loot explosion is a problem but if you are going to reduce the amount of items that drop in the game substantially then you have to increase the quality/rarity of the items that are dropping. Either that or make crafting orbs more common on the drop pool and redirect the game to be more about finding item bases with the right item level and then crafting on those bases with the increased amount of item crafting orbs that would now be dropping.

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@robertg7249 Also smart loot doesn't mean they have to turn the knobs up to 100 and make rares/bosses drop near-mirror tier gear. That's a pretty big exaggeration. They nerfed the quantity of loot but didn't change crafting orb drop rates nor the quality of loot that drops so you are still left with 99% shit rares that aren't even worth identifying because you know they will have trash mods.

[@yule8176]

i wonder how those 33%/25% drop rate increases are done. Like, if we go with the 100% reduced to 10% example; is it 43%/35%, or 13.3%/12.5%. Like, additive or multiplicative increasing? edit: also the arcanist strongbox bug happened to me yesterday. so glad to have it fixed today, I don't know what I would've done without the single glassblower's bauble. :)

[@matejbosela9093]

Its 12.5% in the end. Just had 2 map runs, dropped nearly nothing (even though I got an ex-salt)

[@blakebell8533]

It's not 12.5% though, the loot nerf came from reducing quant from league specific monsters while the 25% Quant for currency is GLOBAL. the math just isn't the same

[@richdaigle1031]

I was running maps for about 5 hours tonight… had 3c drop. The worst part? When the first one dropped I was actually excited. As I log off for bed, I recall that feeling and I’m sitting here thinking I won’t be logging back in. Excited 1c dropped… seriously….

[@MrMruzi177]

GGG on their way to kill the game, the league definitely dead already. ''Get your MF characters ready'' is the new ''You don't have phones'' moment. It's sad to see.

[@senzosanjuro1769]

After 300 maps I found 'zero' divine orb, nothing worth to be crafted and sold , I won 2 chaos and several lower currencies in a Lake of Kalandra map lvl 83 😑 while this time I could have done 5 maps and make a lot of chaos recipes, I cannot even kill Essence > 4, I put atlas passive points in Rituals : only crap... Harbingers give bread crumbs, so after that I can't afford better gear, my Dps is too low for voidstone bosses, I'm stuck and I really don't know what to do 😓

[@realandimaginedxyz]

The problem is player expectations to be honest, which they created. It does need to be reshaped. PoE has become a massive loot pinata and its slowly being undone. For reference, 2 chaos orbs used to be a really exciting, good drop. Now if you arent given 10-20 by the league mechanic you just go "meh". Thats exactly the problem they dug themselves into.

[@joosttijsen3559]

@@realandimaginedxyz its also not the same game as back when you looked at every yellow and a good map got actually mirrored rofl... its kill or be killed now, especially with the archnem rares. if they want to make it more slow and impactfull, its possible in this state

[@TilveranWrites]

Just yesterday I had a Divine Orb drop out of a chest or smashed pot or something random like that in Uber Lab. Think over the years I've had more drop like that than from mobs, ever. Same with random exalts. No idea if it's supposed to be that way or what. Must be why I have OCD for pot-smashing.

[@Blagax]

Feelsbad... already threw a reaction out myself for my little german community.. It just feels horrible to play poe right now. Im just sad that there is no community interaction from GGG they even censor critique on their forums.. I love this game but i cant play it anymore even for my community it just feels like wasting our times...

[@DRUBIN1986]

You are completely right about the anchoring. 90% nerf to give us 25 buff percent back takes us from 10% to 12%

[@matasurbonas7901]

Im with you ducks. It feels like after everything, every problem we adress they just stick to their guts and dont wanna change much. Gonna play something else until poe is playable again

[@skyler1469]

Even elden ring feels better with drops than poe rn

[@GnsistyleMusik]

Drops are good im already full build in 2 days, some thinks need to be fix but not much more.

[@combustinbug973]

In fact, the interview of Josh, Chris said that the economy of the game relies heavily on the players, meaning that the prices of items are the doing of the players and the market would automatically balance itself out if there is a new item or new way to craft The fact that this update brings down everything is saying that the market is destroyed, the economy is ruined I do not think that saying the economy relies on players and then just underhandedly removes the ability to farm for more items and currency is something that should be done I love the game to death and I actually love the concept of Lake of Kalandra but this is just fucked up

[@chrishayes5755]

GGG controls the economy and build meta. Don't get it twisted.

[@combustinbug973]

@@chrishayes5755 Yes, it is true that GGG controls the actual value of items, being their use and drop rate, like how they switched place of Divine and Exalt But the value at which the items are on display and purchased by players are defined and set up by players

[@DirtyWizard334]

“I think I’m DONE” this comes off as a crying baby, just don’t play, sometimes it’s ok to take a break from a game, come back when they actually fix the issues

[@titogeesoon]

At this point, I don't think I will bother coming back this league even if they revert it back to 3.18 loot drops

[@chrishayes5755]

GGG can lie, use deception and manipulation and people still support and trust them. shows how good of a game they made.

[@smithsmith6402]

I've played on and off since the beta. I play off meta SSF these days, because I just want to fight monsters and get stronger _inside_ the game instead of constantly tabbing out and reading guides or whatever. The game has never been balanced around me, but ever since 3.14 it feels like it's gotten worse and worse. The most aggravating part is that they've had system and mechanics that I love in this game. Old harvest letting you craft your gear before you even reach maps, giving tons of power to players before they even get their ilvl 80 stuff that all the currency needs to be saved for. Recombinators were awesome. The atlas tree is an amazing endgame system, but I can't enjoy it now because they've crippled all the league mechanics except heist, blight and expedition. And even those are infected by the archnem stuff creating uber boss rares in content that is ruined by it. These changes are of most benefit to me, but even so, they're bringing me maybe close to 3.18 which was also rough for me. I need to be brought up to where meta/trade league was, not have them brought down to suffer along with me. Why are they terrified of someone reaching normal shaper with a bad build? There are like 20 levels worth of content past that now.

[@nyhtfall5260]

I stopped playing after 3.15 - was infuriated with what GGG did to flasks + minions. Clicked on this video bc I wasn’t willing to believe the feed hype + was curious about the state of minions, spectres in particular. ROFL. Yeah, I’ll stick with Lost Ark.

[@riveteye93]

Idk, I played since beta too, I play on small private leagues and I love the changes.

[@mrturtle3531]

you whats the worst part about Archnemesis mods? My build runs t16 with decent mods fine but the second one Rare with 2 Archnemesis mods come by i just instantly die. I also cant increase my damage much because id need some crafted gear which is not possible rn. Sure i could farm lower maps for days and hope someone puts good spellsuppression gear on the market and also max my chaos resistance but doing that before T16 maps is near impossible

[@YuYuYuna_]

The issue is the game, for better or worse, is designed around the hardcore playerbase. It's not designed around the player who takes 3-4 days to get to maps and then they sit in white maps for the next week to 2 weeks. The hardcore playerbase has figured the game out down to a science. Take a look at minion builds. They were basically free rides through most of the content in the game and GGG gutted them this league. Why? Because a TON of people would league start with minions and farm free currency with less than an 50-60 chaos investment. Honestly I don't know why GGG is focusing entirely on making the game harder for the 1% of players rather than making the game more enjoyable and fun for the rest of their players. Maybe 1% are the primary ones supporting their game financially through supporter packs and consistent spending of money on the shop? Either way this seems like a weird way to make the game harder by arbitrarily making loot shittier hoping that people will grind longer and player longer thus spending more...?

[@mrturtle3531]

@@YuYuYuna_ tbh the changes only make sense if the game was pay2win. Put exclusive shop items in that double your loot for example. But for a f2p game like poe it makes no sense

[@K3ogh1989]

This whole patch screams Tencent to me, I would not be surprised if they're ramping difficulty and nerfing drops to segwe into some pay to win mechanics in the future because the reality is that you can absolutely blitz this game without spending a cent - stash tabs notwithstanding. Watch this space.

[@slickrickwillyjames]

Probably so

[@laraquibadr1172]

There is also the fact that they are trying to artificially extend your playtime on the League by making it more difficult across the board.

[@NightfallGemini]

ding ding ding, we have a winner. tencent always pulls this shit in the end.

[@aeperez94]

thing is if u guys balanced this game, all characters would be insanely fast, clear screens in 1 sec, loot showers would be common ground and harvest would have a craft to make your own hero editor character LOL

[@cozmocozminsky3811]

the issue with "slay the beyond boss" was that they changed something and the map didn't spawn the boss

[@mdgraller]

11:50 this is purely psychological. Going from past leagues of loot explosions into a league where you have mechanics giving you literally 0 rewards (chance to get no lifeforce, chance to get no items from a strongbox), that has to have an unbelievable impact on the efficacy of the Skinner boxes that make up this game

[@pacomak2010]

Douglas is not in the camera for this video, we know this is serious. Such a sad time at the moment. :(

[@devinayaz9210]

holy fuck

[@SpecShadow]

@@devinayaz9210 *holy duck

[@tamassendulast]

If they want to push item rarity this much, it would be so much better if the rarity increase not only affected if it drops a rare or unique item, but the affixis of the rare items as well. So the more rarity you have, the better the chance that dropped items actually matter. It wont fix the issues with elevated modifiers, but would still make more sense than just getting more 1 alc uniques

[@fdg6760]

They've needed to make higher level bases impossible to roll bad tiers for a very, very long time

[@Schnorzel1337]

@@fdg6760 that is a fantastic idea, just slowly drop the lowest tier of mods off with more rarity ilvl. That should be trivial to implement and keeps the randomness of loot alive. Great idea.

[@angusjohnston7172]

@@Schnorzel1337 also more incentive to get ilvl 100 gear!

[@razorz4947]

Dont feel bad for hyping up, we all have been tricked! My strategy is to go outside open my eyes, find something new to fokus on and take a break for myself.

[@CasDKK]

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[@robincormier9935]

After my last death (i only play HC) I decided I'm just gonna sit this league out. Normally I always try to at least complete the campaign every new league but not this time. After dying in the lake to a stupid crab explosion that killed me in 1 hit from 100% hp to 0 I realized that this game is just not balanced at all in any way shape or form for HC to be fair at all. When you can be stomping mobs and never seeing your HP go below 90% then out of no-where get instantly 1-shotted then you know the balance is out the window. So many of the HC deaths i've experienced and watched on youtube are all so un-fair. It's usually just going along like normal and everything's fine, then out of nowhere you just get instantly popped without even being able to tell what killed you unless you're recording and go back and watch in super slow mo... it's not like I feel that game is to fast pace....because it's not, it's just balanced for softcore and in such a way that they expect and almost guarentee that you die at some point from something you had no idea was coming and have no time at all to react to. Fuck this game. I don't even have much hope for PoE2 anymore. PS - the crab in the lake that killed me.... was just before Merveil act 1 - ...like for real GG?

[@atroce1922]

Balance is trash in current state, but if you can't easily get to red maps then that's not on the game. That's purely a matter of player skill and knowledge. I made 3x Lvl100 HCSSF chars last league.

[@robincormier9935]

@@atroce1922 admittedly I'm no pro at this game, but I have cleared the campaign on HCSSF for the past 4 leagues so I'm not entirely a noob. I never said that I couldn't do it again....but I just don't want to. The balance has been feeling more and more off each league

[@g76agi]

@@atroce1922 "I made 3 lvl 100SSFHC chars last league" woah there leave some women for the rest of us

[@atroce1922]

@@g76agi Don't worry hombre they're all yours. My 2d waifus are all I need.

[@Dewgma]

I feel so sorry for you going fulltime during this. I really respect you, your opinions and your content and seeing GGG treat their players and community members like this is absolutely alien. I have played since open beta, i used to write guides for HC builds, I even got a build of the week! (Burning Arrow trapper that was nerfed from 9 sides next patch, classic GGG!) That game, that time, that era feels so far away from what we have now. I don't know when exactly shit went off the rails, it feels like it has been a permanent mentality that has just gotten bigger and bigger, worse and worse. We all remember when they nerf things from 8 angles and leave those skills and mechanics to rot for decades. Its totally insane. I personally lost faith in GGG quite a few leagues ago, mostly due to low-performing skill and re-balance reasons. Only coming back to the game to play with my friends and guild. (BPL has also been a shining light for the game recently). But that's it. I would love to see that 6 months from now, you are alright and the game is similar enough to the game we used to love.

[@ThatRandomOldGuy]

This, exactly this.

[@brookowly7407]

When you played poe since beta, isnt the current poe more like old school poe than the seasons before?

[@benja9029]

@@brookowly7407 no because arcnemesis don't exist back then... of course some BS nemesis mods exist back then(some are even game breaking) but they're something you encounter sometimes and you can skip them to just engage with normal rares, try skipping arcnemesis this time around... right you can't cause they are everywhere

[@Dewgma]

@@brookowly7407 Not even remotely

[@DirtyWizard334]

Go outside

[@pettsson1143]

I dont mind nerfs of skills and dps. As they did in 3.15. But thet nerfs to loot and juice it make the end game so boring.

[@MyApophis]

I'm sad to see that all the best POE content creators are so demotivated and rightly so. I'm skipping this league but these type of videos keep me in the loop so thanks so much for making them.

[@daibaandtheghostmachine8952]

It's only the shitty reddit oriented content creators that left, the good ones are still playing.

[@nicholashon5519]

Any nice last epoch builds? Seems like a good time to ask.

[@MindGameArcade]

Took a lot of courage to make this video, stay strong man. I hope things get better, in this game, or the next :)

[@Eqnotalent]

Let's talk about the only change that GGG care about. From the perspective of GGG is “how do we slow down player progression by 100%-200% with least amount of work from us?” a league last 3 months. Most of the player base quit between the first 2-3week. They play a starter build, farm enough currency to play a 2nd build for 5-10days then quit. GGG want this 2-3wk progression Into a 2 month progression. What is the easiest way to do that? NERFS! We can't afford the man power to create content that player wants to play this game for 2months. 50% of our workforce is making POE2, other 40% is working on making MTX. That leaves 10% of our employees working on “new” content every 3 months. Let's just remove that 10000% drop bonus that was a “coding error” players will understand. -Chris

[@gkaskavelis]

I'm with you on everything BigD! Thank you for the video. I enjoy Heist and Expedition as well but I don't want to be forced to do them. What's more, this league I wasn't planning to do them. I wanted to focus on Legion and Harvest more, or Essences. However, now I'm forced to do Expedition and Heist, and I have also Harvest for crafting some of my gear. For me the game was always fun when I had one farming stragy with drops and one with crafting. And now, Harvest is difficult to craft something below average, while Essences are hard until I invest into my build more. Thank god that Rog exists still though (which brings me back to expedition). I'm not sure if it'll work, but I feel like it'd be better if they changed the Harvest recipes to the "more common", as well as bring back some of the removed ones, and make them more expensive than what they are, while balancing the lifeforce drops. I'll play more Harvest and craft properly. I hope they ask for Sushi's input on the matter and balance it out.

[@RsRich420]

Ive actually really enjoyed this league. Playing a bane occultist and not having much of a problem with farming. Unfortunately it seems like GGG wants people to grind longer to get into the end game stuff...which is fine to me i dont mind....it just really sucks for the early end gamers.

[@nikolayliubomirov4261]

Content creators must leave this shitshow so GGG can realise that game is for players not for some selfish visioners.

[@roxtarw0w]

most of the content creators are fulltimers and lose like 80% of their viewers if they play something else. nobody of them will leave poe, no matter how bad it is. thats the sad truth. and also the people with 10k+ hours wont really have problems anyways, they can always adapt if they want. but for the casuals its getting more and more difficult and annoying to even gain the slightest amount of progress in this game

[@cmnossaw]

Melee strike skills main: "First time?" I haven't logged in, in over a year

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

i quit the first League in 9 years...... its the death of an era for me and i am not happy about it. It was just a matter of time tbh. The constant first week problems , the "claim" that they testplay the game (they are NOT),the Radio silence from a Conpany that was one of the most approchable, the Kirak vault Bullshit.....GGG is Blizzard now(not the Old version) and it seems they are happy with that.

[@Demortixx]

I'm sad I tried to come back and wanted to give this league a real shot. OH well

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

@@Demortixx i am sorry for our loss

[@sebastianholsclaw]

But if they are nerfing the drop rates of monsters *and that is intended* there is no way heist and blight chests survive in the current mode right?

[@katastrophe4869]

Hey big ducks i heard this is also ur first full time League i guess its also more scary to you now bc of that but let me say this people enjoy ur content bc its u! if u dont have fun just play something different we will still Support u and can go trough hard times like this together much love from germany

[@JHgamer101]

hi as a new player i did 3 days of infinite heist made like 1k chaos. now im doing maps got bored if i wanted to go make more money wit heist. should i be buying peoples maps for heist like lv90+ lock picking or?

[@slindimasq]

As a minion player i was gutted to see my minions destroyed by a rare, with decent defence mind you, i dont mind the reducing power and what not but to destroy an arch type is not forgivable

[@michaelwagner2791]

It happened before. Minions are now in nerf 3

[@TilveranWrites]

I went down the Divine Shield + Determination route with all the minion regen nodes and they did... better. Still a bit rippy for them, but, if I wanted to be a real try-hard at keeping them up I'd craft life flasks with suffixes that grant a % of the healing to minions. "of the Novice", "Conjurer", etc. Which may-or-may-not help, lol.

[@Ra1dMaX]

tbh this patch note feels like chris wilson is trying to fix an amputated leg with a spongebob band aid

[@thomasgrimm1664]

I was actually having fun playing at my own pace, despite the lack of currency like alchemy and vaal orbs. But after 4 days of negative news, I'm feeling slightly depressed now...

[@tygerlillee]

Aww don't let anyone else get you down. If you are having fun, that's all that counts.

[@SinfulGFX]

They should just add a modifier for Uniques into the game which guarantee you to get one once you kill lets say 5000 mobs and this goes down with item rarity/quantity based on how much you have. The issue I have with them increasing the drop rate by 33% is that 33% of 0 is still 0. I am getting nothing out of mobs and everything I am getting is from Heist chests.

[@CoffeeTheFreshmaker]

Personally I'd like drops to be in a place where they're not only plentiful, but also comparable to crafted items. I personally dislike both trading and crafting in the game and would love to be able to comfortably clear, with only benchcrafting and the odd casual crafting in ssf.

[@Mystical_Goddess]

Same, and it used to be like that, WHen i played back in 2017-2018 I had a blast, I only used what items I found, with a few miniscule crafts I dont trade I have anxiety and I just can't trade. They have Killed the game for me in the past few years, It's not playable for someone like me anymore, and it's sad, because I LOVED this game.

[@TheLuckymod13]

I've got 20 odd hours in this league, hit level 57. I have had decent orbs, about the average, and have had surprisingly decent chaos only a few alchs and regals. No divs or exalts. I've already purchased a 6l bow with ok stats, self crafted decent armors, sitting at 2k with an average of 60% elemental resists and maybe 10% chaos resist. **.my point is I'm not sure I'm seeing what's being said in regard to drops. Am I just super lucky this league so far? Or is the issue more noticed in the mapping, as in juicy mobs aren't making loot go up?

[@TheCnidarians]

I remember ultimatum and scourge being the most rewarding league for me despite me knowing next to nothing about crafting. To see ggg just butchered loot drops is so disappointing man. It means casual like me with almost 4k hours playing have no chance of getting to endgame..i was so excited to try eow miner inquis but when i get to mapping..my god its awful...tier 3 alchs arnt even dropping..

[@Kodiah-]

Figures. I started the middle of last league and was excited for my first league start. Even I notice I'm barley getting anything in maps

[@Votexforxme]

As expected. they want to stand witch the chnages, not admitting they are bad as they are now and dont revert them untill further tested and fixed. they lie to you, dont expect them to change anything anytime soon. i believe they want to slowly push ppl towards poe 2 so they can close Poe for good as soon as Poe2 comes out, this might sound crazy but regarding recent events, looks bad!

[@Pendergast891]

The 'slay the beyond boss' kirac mission tasked you with killing an enemy that is literally no longer in the game so it couldn't be completed

[@DeivixLV]

Also, changes like these just increase people buying currency and items with real money. Why farm hours and hours for a 50% chance for a good loot when you can go to job for a few hours and buy all you need? The game is just becoming unfun.

[@carnov]

I think tencent who hold ggg also hold all the currency trading site so they can milk the player

[@DeivixLV]

@@carnov yeah, at this point it really seems like it

[@carnov]

@@DeivixLV yep the more i try to think why they nerf the loot drop the more it become clear

[@TheQoogle]

yeah the game is done. almost 6 years, it was a wild ride. Edit: also for people who are enjoying their expedition and heist money atm, you can be sure to be next in 3.20

[@LaserStorm117]

Super insightful, as always. I'm sorry things aren't working out, but things can change. I got done leagues ago because they keep taking and taking and making the game just not feel fun.

[@bobzeal]

You know I used to love this game. I couldn't wait to login. I've racked up 20,000 hours. Of got more than 20 builds some with as much is 15 to 20 exalts invested in them. But now, not one of those builds can make it above level 90. Even the really good ones that were already at level 91or 92 can't function because GGG targeted those builds, gutted the mechanic, increased the power of monsters while reducing overall player power and nerfing the great items that made those builds work at low cost. For me the fun in this game was never about getting to level 100, it was about building: mixing and matching the complicated interplay between items, game play, and skills. Now... it doesn't matter what you do, unless you've got 500 exalts to throw at something it's a waste of time and it's painful and it's time-consuming and it's frustrating. Big ducks is 150% right on the money and it's been going on for three or four years. I feel like a frog in a frying pan. I'm going back to civilisation.

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

I feel like they really need to do what Sirgog said and refund people's money they spent on supporter packs, and revert the changes to loot entirely/relaunch kalandra league.

[@advancedvinylrepair4319]

This feels like the mean kid taking the toys repeatedly from the smaller kid just to laugh at him crying.

[@chrisjie2127]

For better or worse the developers stick to their philosophies about how they want the game to be. And listening to the interviews with the developers they clearly do not want to cater to the reasons why I enjoy the game.

[@ThanhLai5]

Calling it now, I think GGG (especially Chris) have an obsession with Diablo 2 and want to make PoE as close to D2 as possible. Like returning to their "root". I notice this by watching an interview between Chris and the streamers, Mathil was in the interview too. A week after 3.17 was released if I remember correctly.

[@niklazz7037]

I like how the video progression bar is tagged with " PAIN " ---- very fitting!

[@lkuzmanov]

I can't imagine what it's like to have the drop rate of a game of this type you've played for years reduced this much in this way (I've only played POE casually over the past 6 months). On the other hand I think when people can reach the high 90s and kit out the character almost perfectly in 2-3 days GGG have a problem (with long term player engagement among other things) they will want to address at some point. There won't be a good time for this type of bad news, ever. It's their game, they are entitled to do it. The communication around it could've been handled a lot better, however. This should have started with a "folks, we need to talk" type of post well before the league started, explaining where they see issues, negotiating with the community, giving people time to absorb the idea, go through the stages, etc. Now, after the sneaky changes and the euphemisms, it's an ugly PR eff up I wouldn't want anything to do with either...

[@MDLEUA]

I'll give a try for the new patch. And see how it goes. Good point, when BIS items are crafts unless items with similar rolls drop (elevated Tailwind). Currently anything you pick from the floor is a raw a material and need to be refined.

[@Mythrandil]

Power creep had gone to far and now its being brought back. Harvest going core was a mistake. One shotting rares and playing a walking loot simulator was a problem. Now that theyre pulling back player power everyone is malding and acting as if Chris shot their dog. Im still playing the league, completed Atlas, doing just fine in maps, and its fun.

[@CarnageXtreme]

It's sad because CCP is ruining EVE Online, and GGG is ruining POE. I feel like the paradigm shifted somehow, somewhere, and now all these companies are running their games into the ground due to their own greed instead of creating value for their customers.

[@ThaGamingMisfit]

You are really overracting, especially about the loot. I barely notice any difference in loot as last league and I've been mapping all day, so maybe peopel should actually play and investigate more instead of jumping on the drama wagon based on some lines of text and their own doom scenario in their head. This drama bait is getting out of hand and is doing the game and players nothing good.

[@ZzZo6JIuH]

I stopped playing this game three years ago and now I'm feeling like Homer Simpson who said "Everyone is stupid except me!" while smoking a cigar :)

[@claus4461]

I've been thinking and wondering if this is the Loot 2.0 GGG envisioned for PoE 2? I can faintly remember Chris or another GGG Dev talk about the goal to reduce item clutter by creating bigger stacks and converting drops to less, but more meaningful items. My question now: is this it? Is this the change they thought was necessary in order to move on to PoE 2? Why don't they market it that way and why don't they communicate about it more?

[@miki97xde]

Or... Why not leave the new system for poe2 beta rather than do it in a league, where a ton of people were hyped for? A lot of unnecessary shit was dropping - maybe reducing it is a good idea to make drops more meaningful - but the communications failed, executions failed, there was no need to do what they did. Although I assume their intentions were good.

[@michaelblue4619]

The ironic thing is , the items that drop now aren't meaningful at all lol. Uniques drop a lot less, and when they do drop, they are garbage.

[@mohamedzahbi3645]

im getting normal drop rate for currency like all the previous league

[@waffleandchicken]

You’re 100% right about everything you said. GGG is one bad patch away from just being the new Blizzard.

[@AndragonLea]

It's also worth noting that a 5 to 11k increase means an increase to things that are actually worth picking up at all. As previously mentioned, any rares and almost any uniques you drop in a map are worthless. You need that massive a buff just to push some of the "aspirational" drops into the realm of not being statistical outliers. A 200% to 300 % buff to basic map mobs is highly unlikely to actually give you drops that deviate from this. At best you'll get substantially more currency from them, yes. But put next to the hordes of league-specific mobs that suddenly stopped dropping anything at all, you won't notice that. It's a drop in the bucket. It's throwing you out of your house, confiscating your clothes, car, tools of the trade and electronics and then handing you a potato sack to wear as a goodwill offering.

[@JahJahRiddim]

LAKE OF CRYLANDIA

[@xYo4hix]

I'll probably wait a little bit more or for another patch to play, and only if it gets better. I may not understand fully im new, but I really have trouble fixing my gear with no currency drop.

[@docbilliam]

They need accountability or they’ll keep sabotaging their own game. Thank you for being willing to hold them accountable. Idk if they’re trying to push us to be OK with less-than-ideal rates for PoE2 launch, but losing half the player base or more will guaranteed hurt the launch.. apparently they also nerfed common sense 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@TheRealTrucido]

Excited for the league, installed after being away for 2-3 leagues, and im gonna uninstall after day 3. Really after day 1.

[@uidokolene]

Dude you just forced me to unsubscribe ... talk about negativity and overreaction.

[@db7610]

I can't even craft a 5/6 link item I got no currency apart from alteratios. I end up farming and picking up any 6 links I can get my hands on or lucky vendor (I got x2 so far and am level 63) I am hoping for fusings to use which are really few and far between. Remember it takes around 1500 fusing to successfully craft a 6 link using crafting table. Most the time by level 70 I will have enough money to buy a 6 linked chest on the trade and proceed into higher maps. I cannot see how it's possible to do anything other than farm forever which is not fun you want some positive progress but that's impossible we got no currency, no loot, nothing. It's bad.

[@isabellaveldhuys2040]

Dear Big duck's and all other players out here.....its sad to say but i must totally agree on your opinion......let me show you another example of how absolutely they have pushed this new game breaking update, giving me the impression again they did a full no brainer like when they nerfed all awakened support gems killing almost all build diversity in 3.15. So since Exalted orbs always were the way to go, they build alot in the game around it. I mean look at how many div cards there are that will land you a exalted orb if you complete the set, and the way harbingers can drops shards for your exalted orb.......they have done absolutly nothing and i mean not even the slightes bit! To do anything to make the divine orb drop in an decent rate or in any way possible for players to get there hands on them now.....it is just so much bull........it really sad to see from a gaming studio with so much experience and years of development that they just seems to not give a damn about at all.......so i came to the conclusion if i keep playing this league, i will not buy anything from the MTX deffo 100% its sad but its all true!

[@martinmystery4610]

the mud whimping article REALLY helped me understand all this situation A LOT

[@DeivixLV]

So apparently they want fewer people to play the game and get less income from it. What a weird business model...

[@lokkingng943]

So that they don't need to handle so many complains. Nice work GGG

[@RishabhJani]

Finally, with this amount of anchoring, we can finally get our desired BOAT League!

[@thunderwarrior2459]

Ggg what are you doing …

[@giuseppeworthington7062]

I'm normally a 40/40 player by the end of the first month. My build (PC Occultist) is strong enough to kill Guardians, but I'm stuck on T12 maps because I can't sustain high maps, even with an Atlas dedicated to it. I can't remember the last time that map sustain was this bad.

[@MrKnightDefender]

I don't think you need to feel like a clown Ducks, everyone got played. The hype you built was warranted, the league looked great but GGG decided to lie to everyone and attempted and get away with it by hiding it from our eyes. All we can do is try and hold them accountable for ruining the game this community so dearly loves.

[@elLooto]

We got lulled into a false expectation based on how well sentinel was going. I did a few late league ssf runs to practice league start for kalandra. deliberatley not doing sentenal to get a reminder of early league loot and progression. the campaign experience was similar in loot. early atlas was a totally different story. Archnem went from a bit annoying to outright brutal. I can cope with the less loot, its stopping for 30 seconds to make sure the bastard AN dies so I dont accidentally kite it into another AN mob or two that compounds the less loot with less XP that is the massive downer for the league. Oh and the tablets bit was so underwhelming that I did 3 and said 'fuck it' and have ignored them ever since.

[@MrKnightDefender]

@@elLooto Much like you I was so hyped that I did a practice runs in standard making it to act 5 every time and getting better and better times. Yet unlike you I skip sentinel league so I found even 1 or 2 mod AN mobs so brutal I think even with all my practice at league launch I died 20+ times on my way to endless heist. GGG played on our good faith and we all feel for it.

[@tylermcdonald4138]

I dont think anyone is even tempted to come back to try and see if its ok

[@obamanizer1463]

Ggg lost their damn minds

[@anthonyg6083]

4:10-4:15 Truth "There will never be a time where loot from the ground matters, you will never be equipping these items over stuff that you could craft" - Big Ducks 2022

[@simonargent62]

You may have to do a 12 hour shift like the rest of us now

[@akirohitan4698]

My progression is only like 20% slower than normal. Sure I have no currency and I’m having to buy maps from Kiric but I don’t feel much different

[@Kluaos]

Just ran some maps and its def better. Not perfect, not great but def playable. Lets hope it keeps going uphill from here on out.

[@tms012493]

I fought a wild bristle matron that was 4 mod kitava touched yesterday. Took probably 5 to 10 minutes. Got nothing except some harvest power. Later randomly killed a rare I didn't see any got like 12 fractured items. Like wtf.

[@SirChigurh]

If you actually think the average person doing maps is seeing 10x less loot, IDK what to tell you. I don't care what the math says with Empy group. Just play the game and its not 10x. I have played 40 hours and yes there is/was less loot, but at the very very very very very most, x2.5 less loot. I would guess closer to x1 less loot.

[@RedDragonFlayer]

If your not having fun, then don't play Isn't that the advice every PoE streamer gives new players, it was when I started.