I do not think farmers built these stone walls & will tell you why

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Not Thursday

Күн бұрын

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@johnk1529
@johnk1529 Күн бұрын
There is a video here on KZbin by New England Forests titled "Tom Wessels: Reading the Forested Landscape, Part 1" that goes into these walls in some detail. Wessels attributes the Merino Sheep Mania of the early 19th Century as the reason the walls were built. He is a go to authoritative expert on NE Forests and makes a compelling case.
@TheVerbiousOne
@TheVerbiousOne 6 күн бұрын
When I was a kid I was tasked with gathering stones and rocks in buckets from my grandfather's freshly plowed garden. Most times he would dump the buckets along the edge of a creek that wasn't far from the garden. I think about the hours of labor and the buckets of stones I collected. I can imagine the intense amount of labor that went into keeping the land clean in the 17 and 1800s just to grow food. There are several organizations dedicated to the history of the amazing stone walls in your area. They are fascinating and certainly provide you with many wonderful detecting spots. I'm sure there are old maps and historic aerial imagery that would show the locations of the homestead/farmsteads. Watching your videos has me wanting to blow the dust off the Minelab and get back out to a mid 1800s homestead that I hit pretty hard several years ago. Thank you for the inspiring videos!
@gregbowden1552
@gregbowden1552 8 күн бұрын
Considering where the rocks come from in the first place, and then stacking them for miles plus tending the fields of crops . Absolutely back breaking work.
@__Tazzzo
@__Tazzzo 2 күн бұрын
I mean you have to realize there was nothing else to do
@richardross7219
@richardross7219 8 күн бұрын
Interesting video. As I recall, the magnetic declanation around 1815 was 6* in eastern CT. Last I checked, 20 years ago, it was about 14*. You have to keep in mind that 200 years ago, there really weren't good standards for surveyors. Just like the variations in stonewall quality. Anytime I see something that wasn't finished and was from the early 1800s, I wonder if it was a victim of the summer that never was or one of the epidemics from that time. Many of the town clerks just let things slide when a family was wiped out by disease and nothing happened to the land for decades. Around 1985, we discovered a 100+ acre parcel that the owner died in the 1890s. The land was just ignored for about 90 years. Wishing all of you guys a Happy and Healthy New Year. Good Luck, Rick
@steveclark4291
@steveclark4291 8 күн бұрын
Thank you Charlie for the adventure and listening to your thoughts about the walls !
@graystonegardens1642
@graystonegardens1642 Сағат бұрын
Glad to see you're still at it Charlie. This is Tom G from TEAM UGLY
@WildInNewEngland
@WildInNewEngland 8 күн бұрын
A thinking man’s episode of Not Thursday. A “Stealth Diggers” video years ago where you were diagraming some stonewalls was what got this SE New Hampshire boy watching you all, was great seeing and hearing your opinions today regarding your walls.
@deborahflello2316
@deborahflello2316 8 күн бұрын
Charile you are so right! ""Building walls is an antique art that has endured for thousands of years. Extant dry-stone walls, built without the use of mortar or any binding agent, can be dated as far back as 3500 BCE. In the UK, the Celts developed boundary walls or field walls as they transitioned from nomadic pastoralism to settled farming."" This is taken from "If walls could talk" 2018 If it took Derbyshire that long to build these walls then who on earth was doing it in North America? And who was doing it before the Romans even came to Britain. So that is nearly five and half thousand years ago that they got started building these walls in the UK. We know that native Americans didn"t do stone wall building on that massive scale .......so who did it?
@NYRelicHunters
@NYRelicHunters 8 күн бұрын
My thought is we know very little about native culture before we arrived in america. They prob did alot of things we wouldn't expect
@ericcoleman288
@ericcoleman288 3 күн бұрын
I am in Upstate NY, to the north of Rome these walls are all over the place, didnt know NH had them too, fascinating, that was the story I always heard
@aaronsanborn4291
@aaronsanborn4291 Күн бұрын
Maine and New Hampshire have them all over the place. I've seen some 30 miles from the nearest paved road built to hold livestock for old logging camps
@philipvecchio3292
@philipvecchio3292 Күн бұрын
I'm near Albany, we have some here. There were millions of miles of walls built in the North East US.
@ericcoleman288
@ericcoleman288 Күн бұрын
@@philipvecchio3292 wow, thats cool, I see them all over my area but didnt know the extent of them , thanks for sharing🙂
@saltpeter7429
@saltpeter7429 7 сағат бұрын
Grafton county New Hampshire. We have walls all over out here. Apparently the population in my rural town was almost twice what it is now 150 years ago. Crazy huh? The industrial revolution happened and the farmers split for the cities, the pastures grew up into forests. You can be way the heck out and have stone heaps and walls around.
@Qingeaton
@Qingeaton 2 күн бұрын
It would be really helpful to get LIDAR readings done over sites like this. Everything can be set against everything else in layers with computer accuracy. I'm not in the field or anything but have seen it find hidden sites.
@martinmoore1821
@martinmoore1821 8 күн бұрын
And we love every minute of it Charlie.
@kathysenn7664
@kathysenn7664 8 күн бұрын
love the sound of the wind through the trees! and the sun sparkling off the leaves!! it smells delightful! 🎁 lightbulb went off in my head.. there are similar stone walls in Ireland..more food for thought. 21:00ish timestamp -- could the small cellar holes have been bases for lookout towers🤷 or ritual/ceremonial fire pits?
@BigDan7114
@BigDan7114 7 күн бұрын
Ok so we have been on the same farm since 1843 in NY edge of Lake Ontario. Daily farm diaries. Tells of our stone walls being built . Many are dug 3 feet down for perimeter draining and boundary. Much of the interior has subterranean stone ditches filled with cobblestone and capped with flagstone to keep sediment out. All by hand and horses. Literally every tree cut on every property except roadsides and boundary lines. Across the north east states. Pictures of this now vastly forested areas were barren of all trees used in lunmber firewood and Biochar for the ground minerals. Chestnut and elms mostly here. You scratch the surface you find rocks. And they keep coming up every year . Especially in glacial sediment areas. You would be astonished at what poor ground that was farmed in 1800’s that have been abandoned due to accessibility and terrain erosion. Our state lands in ny are mostly abandoned farms acquired for preservation. Land left fallow 50 years has full trees and buildings pummeled by rain and snow rotted to the ground. No trace but metal and glass. Horses “ bill “ and “ grey” moved huge amounts of stone on stone boats for the walls and hauled grain hay cider to the city to sell. The neighbors all worked together clearing planting harvesting. Shared teams of horses. Custom plowing leasing teams and men working. Most of it is now residential housing swallowing up the less fertile farmland.
@frankmonroe8320
@frankmonroe8320 6 күн бұрын
Love armchair experts.
@BigDan7114
@BigDan7114 6 күн бұрын
@@frankmonroe8320 you mean our family history commissioned by the king of England in 1600’s to establish colony here and start surveying from the east to the west. And tells of building them and the men commissioned to build them.
@kickjack8874
@kickjack8874 2 күн бұрын
Hey, do you have the original diary books? That would be very cool. ​@@BigDan7114
@dust1ification
@dust1ification 8 күн бұрын
OK...that explanation of what has been going on, or your questions about what has been going on there, in relation to the walls etc., is fascinating!!
@CA-lf7jt
@CA-lf7jt 3 күн бұрын
Growing up in CT they are everywhere - I loved seeing them growing up and more fascinated now that I am older
@buddyhenson2559
@buddyhenson2559 8 күн бұрын
What a beautiful & intriguing video! Thanks for posting
@RandyBacorn
@RandyBacorn 8 күн бұрын
Marino sheep farmers started building stone walls after 1810 and booming by 1840. Huge rocks moved by teams of of oxen. They are strong critters and you have their shoes.
@MNpicker
@MNpicker 8 күн бұрын
Merino wool is very good stuff!! If you live is a colder climate.. I highly recommend investing 👌🏻😁🥶
@krockpotbroccoli65
@krockpotbroccoli65 8 күн бұрын
​@@MNpickermerino wool is great but when it comes to good socks I'm a shill for Alpacas. Those things make the wool of wools
@Wearespurstv
@Wearespurstv 7 күн бұрын
The sheep pen theory does not explain all the walls AT ALL and does not make sense to anyone whose spent alot of time in the woods looking at them.
@MNpicker
@MNpicker 6 күн бұрын
@krockpotbroccoli65 yes!! I have Alpaca socks and glove liners
@heavymetalpermaculture
@heavymetalpermaculture 6 күн бұрын
Those walls were here long before any sheep were imported by invaders from Europe.
@daisymay4183
@daisymay4183 8 күн бұрын
It's amazing how they ( human and animals ) cleared moved stacked those heavy rocks to make walls. Astoundingly beautiful. Love the video and the knowledge you have bestowed upon us😊
@AlexPletcherPhoto
@AlexPletcherPhoto 8 күн бұрын
That's not how it went
@BigDan7114
@BigDan7114 6 күн бұрын
@@AlexPletcherPhoto so they levitated there ? Please show your documentation of such.
@bobdores8503
@bobdores8503 8 күн бұрын
Thank you for the history lessons and the beautiful scenery.
@jamesbrooks5442
@jamesbrooks5442 4 күн бұрын
I picked up rocks for grandpa in the 60s its a never ending process its always been done in farming land
@TheodoreIosifidis-gx4qb
@TheodoreIosifidis-gx4qb Күн бұрын
I live by the little known 350 year old Woodbury path and there are some crazy stone structures in this area David Humphrey the guy who imported the first merino sheep came from walking distance away.
@MNpicker
@MNpicker 8 күн бұрын
.... I always "keep thinking about it" 😁👍🏻
@MattJohns-z2i
@MattJohns-z2i 8 күн бұрын
That is an awesome view!
@imanutnur7
@imanutnur7 7 күн бұрын
You met some very out-there people. I have been around this old world for a while and I understand some live in their own world.
@kena8539
@kena8539 8 күн бұрын
Interesting, Thank you!!
@permaculturehealingph1805
@permaculturehealingph1805 7 күн бұрын
The entire Eastern seaboard of the US has been clear it several times for livestock starting with the colonists....rocks get stacked.
@heavymetalpermaculture
@heavymetalpermaculture 6 күн бұрын
There were clear areas thousands of years before any tourists from Europe came over.
@tomduke1150
@tomduke1150 6 күн бұрын
I love your videos, you're doing real field work on these old walls. Ancient people didn't use a compass, they used the North Star for true north and the rising sun on the equinoxes for east and west. There are many things in the woods of New England to explore! Tom Duke
@triggerMB
@triggerMB 2 күн бұрын
I've piled many rocks pulled out of the garden. But in any extremely rocky area probably the best way to get them out of the way would be pile them in a straight line-a wall
@TerryArchibald-w5r
@TerryArchibald-w5r 8 күн бұрын
Do you have a drone? Areal view of the degrees of separation may show a Giant Timepiece.
@KernowekTim
@KernowekTim 8 күн бұрын
We have granite stone walls that mark out small meadow boundaries in the far South-Western reaches of Penwith in Kernow that are over 4,000 years old. There is a book called 'Walls'. I think that it is, "worth it's weight". It is written by David Frye.
@TheReal-HeeHaw
@TheReal-HeeHaw 8 күн бұрын
Enjoyed 👍
@samfinn487
@samfinn487 6 күн бұрын
INFO ON READING OLD NEW ENGLAND ROCK WALLS AND FORESTS: On KZbin at : Tom Wessels: Reading the Forested Landscape, Part 1
@gregcook7883
@gregcook7883 8 күн бұрын
Great vid!
@ecotangokeithfugittrkkf733
@ecotangokeithfugittrkkf733 7 күн бұрын
Thank you very much. I love everything that you’re sharing.❤
@StandingStones1776
@StandingStones1776 5 күн бұрын
i read Barry Pell's "America B.C." about 30 years ago and i have looked into this stuff and can't get enough. Been to some Solar sites places in New England
@jortimant
@jortimant Күн бұрын
Do you ever use any of the NH stone wall mapping project sites as a resource for your hikes? (I'm new here- sorry if this has already been discussed)
@PariahThistledowne
@PariahThistledowne 6 күн бұрын
There are tons of these dry stone walls here in Arkansas as well.
@rmsavig2204
@rmsavig2204 8 күн бұрын
You might be able to find rock walls with Lidar. Give it a try.
@habaristra6248
@habaristra6248 Күн бұрын
All the rocks in that wall had flat sides. There was also a lot of open space between them. That's why ice hasn't moved them out of place for centuries. To puzzle up random rocks into a tightly knitted structure takes a lot of time and patience. The question is...Are there rounded rocks nearby that the builder rejected and didn't use?
@HughDuszaPastor
@HughDuszaPastor 8 күн бұрын
I thought the King ordered soldiers to make those 1st walls and square out his territory so income could be calculated. No matter if land was good or bad. You got what you were allotted
@BigDan7114
@BigDan7114 6 күн бұрын
@@HughDuszaPastor you are correct . My mother’s side of the family was given a fair amount of land in 1600’s. It’s now called Boston . Sam Cole of Cole Hill.
@heavymetalpermaculture
@heavymetalpermaculture 6 күн бұрын
Native people didn't have kings...nor income.
@samfinn487
@samfinn487 6 күн бұрын
INFO ON READING OLD NEW ENGLAND ROCK WALLS AND FORESTS: On KZbin at : Tom Wessels: Reading the Forested Landscape, Part 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJSvgq1jpLdpqdk
@iviewthetube
@iviewthetube 17 сағат бұрын
Surveyors eventually scrapped the magnetic compass (too unreliable) in favor of the solar compass.
@stevenmarkeveys864
@stevenmarkeveys864 3 күн бұрын
Tom wessels is a great source to learn to read a forest.
@nicolasrossi5978
@nicolasrossi5978 8 күн бұрын
Many commentors speculated below about oxen, and mules/other draft equines, and block and tackle,folcrums and wedges etc. on and on. I don't think the techniques that may have been employed are nearly as important (or mysterious or really in question) as the who and the why (?) to what purpose. Which I think is what you are getting at. Yes all those methods undoubtably could have been employed in the wall building, I don't think any of that is even in question for me, they are kind of a given, as we know other walls were built elsewhere in various eras that way. But the who and why, and by extension the 'when' seems to be the bigger conundrum. No... sheep farmers and row croppers as the builders seem highly unlikely in many instances and areas, as you've pointed out.
@BigDan7114
@BigDan7114 7 күн бұрын
We have farm diaries of ours being built by two men hired to build them. Forty acres boundary. They are three feet subterranean as they are perimeter ditches for draining land and running the interior stone ditches filled with cobble stone and capped with flagstone under sometimes 4-5 feet of topsoil. I have to repair one interior line this week it failed and now a foot wide 6 inches deep stream is flowing straight up out of the middle of our field like it’s magic ….. But it’s just a broken ditch line . The sheer amount of immigrants in early 1800’s was huge and every tree cut and land cleared for farming . And our area the elms and chestnut were shipbuilding port and the tall masts for ships across the world were harvested and built here. The shipping spurred the growth and expansion then the canals then the trains.
@Wearespurstv
@Wearespurstv 7 күн бұрын
Exactly and if you've spent alot of time exploring the woods of connecticut they are there as well and the whole live stock pen theory doesn't make sense as an explanation for ALL of them.
@BigDan7114
@BigDan7114 7 күн бұрын
@@Wearespurstvit’s not livestock pens it is boundary lines of properties when clearing it is permanent markers for boundary OR. It’s as far as you could drag them. There are giant piles of rock that have grown over with big trees. Many of the stone piles were taken in the 1950’s to use as fill for many town , city , and highway projects in road building. The amount of subterranean stone ditches built would blow your mind. 98 percent unnoticed. Unless clay tile pipe was put in in 1900’s or newer plastic tile line.
@Wearespurstv
@Wearespurstv 6 күн бұрын
It's not boundary markers as well. I was aware of the boundary marker hypothesis before I wrote my first comment. NO IT WAS 100% not live stock pens or boundary markers like you want to make it out to be
@BigDan7114
@BigDan7114 6 күн бұрын
@@Wearespurstv well do you have written records and relatives that were commissioned by the king of England to come here in the 1600’s that actually tell you what , how and , why they were built. Consider opening a book that tells you. Not internet hypothesis. I’ve worked in major universities and inquired about them and the vast geological history of the north east and ice age movement of rock and strata. My father even testified for environmental status permit hearings concerning them and the drainage they provide.
@bobbyshort1222
@bobbyshort1222 8 күн бұрын
Nice video of wander lust and wonder lust. Thanks again
@swampfizz
@swampfizz 8 күн бұрын
well since you guys find so many oxen and horse shoes I'm leaning on farmers...but that Roswell crash incident sticks in my head too
@Wearespurstv
@Wearespurstv 7 күн бұрын
Live stock pens doesn't explain all of them and I've seen walls that just go up an almost vertical hill. No european immigrant farmer would have spent to time and effort to make that. Some walls go and go and go and just end and another wall completely not connected to that will will parallel the wall and go off in a completely random direction. I think the walls used to be much taller and after thousands of years what your left with is 3-5 foot tall stone walls.
@mariabengtssonviking
@mariabengtssonviking 3 күн бұрын
You might find someone who has a drone with LIDAR, to do I flyover with it and you can get a complete map of whatever you are looking at.
@robfortunato1349
@robfortunato1349 6 күн бұрын
Awesome video
@docfax
@docfax 8 күн бұрын
Block &tackle & an ox to pick up those big ones ?
@WattsElectronics
@WattsElectronics 4 күн бұрын
Nice hunt!
@tracyellen3519
@tracyellen3519 8 күн бұрын
I enjoyed this video. I have wondered about different styles of stone wall building here in New England. If you can teach us something about that in a future video, I’d appreciate it. There’s a lot of controversy about whether the native population built stone walls. But those who think they did say the walls were ceremonial- not used to create borders. That was my first thought when you encountered a wall that ended. I’ve never noticed a wall where the base stones were buried. But I never looked. Dang if I won’t be checking every last wall now. But WHY would they go to such trouble for a border wall? Tx for interesting vids! I always wish I could tag along! Just like all your viewers.
@MrTonyPiscatelle
@MrTonyPiscatelle 8 күн бұрын
I would sure like to hear your ideas on what you have found !
@stevenmarkeveys864
@stevenmarkeveys864 3 күн бұрын
As a farmer who has de stoned his share of fields id have to say you are right that farmers did not build stone walls. Unless it were something retaining, foundational or, decorative we only tossed stone to the side of the fields making stone pile rows around the fields.
@iviewthetube
@iviewthetube 17 сағат бұрын
Those farmers were out standing in their fields.
@dongummowjrsasquatchresear9586
@dongummowjrsasquatchresear9586 7 күн бұрын
Those ancient walls have a function Charlie.. See if you notice sections quartz incorporated in those walls
@Wearespurstv
@Wearespurstv 7 күн бұрын
Exactly the people saying they are sheep pens are just taking a semi plausible explanation and running with it. I think the mound culture built them
@johnharms6178
@johnharms6178 7 күн бұрын
Those walls are amazing-
@nickydepalma739
@nickydepalma739 8 күн бұрын
High Angel Sat , appeared on a Bucket Loader Tractor . It was the year , 501 .
@johndodson4527
@johndodson4527 8 күн бұрын
Beautiful
@richardwarren4879
@richardwarren4879 8 күн бұрын
Well done. On average, About how many miles mountain hiking do you hike? Mountain hiking is difficult.
@bcbconklin
@bcbconklin 8 күн бұрын
I think there is precedent for homesteaders to have been granted 180 acre plots (200?), free if they settled and improved the property.
@heavymetalpermaculture
@heavymetalpermaculture 6 күн бұрын
How so? Most of the area is completely unceded Abenaki and Penobscot territory..stolen land!
@bcbconklin
@bcbconklin 5 күн бұрын
@@heavymetalpermaculture possession is 90% of the law; they'll have a tough time in court!
@heavymetalpermaculture
@heavymetalpermaculture 4 күн бұрын
@@bcbconklin 10,000 years vs. a few hundred?
@bcbconklin
@bcbconklin 4 күн бұрын
@@heavymetalpermaculture it's a kangaroo court, you can't win there. Save your money; build another casino.
@HeirOfNothingInParticular
@HeirOfNothingInParticular 6 сағат бұрын
@@bcbconklin don’t be so rude.
@JamesChubbyDamron
@JamesChubbyDamron 8 күн бұрын
Farmers didn’t climb up there to build those walls, there would be a wagon road leading to it not a bushwhacking expedition These rocks have been exposed to the elements for a long time per the pitting and obvious erosion and the lichen and moss growth is older compared to similar structures in other places that have known dates of construction
@rapiddog1491
@rapiddog1491 8 күн бұрын
At 11:46 upper left hand corner looks like an old piece of steel pipe.
@WileyAudis
@WileyAudis 8 күн бұрын
Noticed that too. Retired now but surveyed for over40 years. I am guessing that those 200 acre parcels were put in with a compass to be that square. Declination may be off but it was repeated over and over again. I live and worked in Arizona most of my life and not sure what your original surveys were based on but was wondering if old survey maps might help in someway. Just throwing out some ideas, probably not relevant but food for thought. Really like the way you drew the map in the dirt to help show what you are dealing with. Wish I had a dollar for every map I drew the same way. Love your channel and your dedication to providing all of us with lots of interesting finds and your love for the history of your area.
@blur9953
@blur9953 8 күн бұрын
The Roman army had marching camps in Europe. From Greece to Scotland. With the amount of British troop movements in the north/west New England area from the forts in Canada and into the colonies, the walls could very well be opportunely occupied defensive structures.
@rockywooton2614
@rockywooton2614 8 күн бұрын
In the last trek I saw the view. That is going to attract ancient peoples. Then the ancient tree that must've been left for reason. Previous centuries may have shown ceremonial remnants. Then the unusual wall immediately made me think of "Moon People" ancient ruins of northwest Georgia. Something to keep in mind, or Norse creating an observation retreat. I find this more likely. I really could not know though.
@grandmakellymcdonald
@grandmakellymcdonald 8 күн бұрын
boom let's go let's go treasure and adventure ✌👵
@heavymetalpermaculture
@heavymetalpermaculture 6 күн бұрын
? The stone walls in 'New England' were mostly built by the Abenaki, Penobscot, Massachusett, Narragansett, etc. Alot are fire breaks, snake effigies, hunting grounds.
@BrianRandolph-jt5vp
@BrianRandolph-jt5vp 8 күн бұрын
I believe these areas walls were developed and erected a good hundred years before you think.
@AlexPletcherPhoto
@AlexPletcherPhoto 8 күн бұрын
They were brick but got cataclysmically damaged
@BrianRandolph-jt5vp
@BrianRandolph-jt5vp 8 күн бұрын
You need to read up on the historical facts of England and land grants in New England and how they were “granted”. You first needed a noble that held land in England. Then you pledged servitude in an amount of time. After that you worked the land. When your servitude was up then you could work as a hired hand and buy land from the lord and pay him while working to build on your property.
@AlexPletcherPhoto
@AlexPletcherPhoto 8 күн бұрын
Awesome
@mixtaperadio
@mixtaperadio 7 күн бұрын
imagine if there was a way to mark these walls every 100 ft with an electronic beacon and digitally map out the walls. to bad drones can can't be used due to the trees. maybe using an app like ONx which can track your steps on a map
@jeanmarcforcier383
@jeanmarcforcier383 3 күн бұрын
Ask how old are most trees in that area?
@granvillewooster7673
@granvillewooster7673 8 күн бұрын
Yes at least a hundred years before 👍👍❤️
@michaelcharley8384
@michaelcharley8384 2 күн бұрын
I would hazard the individuals who settled along the wall were likely the least economically well-off European migrants (as well as offspring) and probably collectively lacked the array of skills/equipment necessary to successfully make a sustaining community. They may also have been conned/scammed into some venture leaving them unable to build modest wealth. Going a little further out on speculation if they were scammed they may have been offered up plots of property along the wall.
@Mountlougallops
@Mountlougallops 8 күн бұрын
The style of building looks different to me. All flat rocks, balanced. The settlers' walls are more like European dry stone walls.
@craig67
@craig67 4 күн бұрын
That very large flat stone appears to create a niche. Natives would use stone niches to place offerings. There is stonework in New England that predates European arrival.
@James-hd4ms
@James-hd4ms 4 күн бұрын
Wow. Who knew they had granite in New Hampshire?
@henryknox4511
@henryknox4511 4 күн бұрын
HAHA!
@joyceclark8476
@joyceclark8476 8 күн бұрын
I hear you Charlie. After 20 years you have experience. Unless some have walked in your shoes and trails, they can only speculate. My first impression, others were there before our early colonists. We have rock formations in Connecticut that no one can explain. They look like Druids, Celtics or even Vikings early natives could have easily built. Thank you for your hiking and observations. ❤️🙏🇺🇸. P.S. some of Connecticut ‘s oldest stones are in Western Connecticut.
@mansize6622
@mansize6622 8 күн бұрын
Older than what other stone ?
@ronaldbrown5745
@ronaldbrown5745 7 күн бұрын
In mid west farms didn’t build stone walls they just piled them up.
@BigDan7114
@BigDan7114 6 күн бұрын
@@ronaldbrown5745 thankfully they don’t have the sheer amount we have in the North east the glacial retreat deposited thick layers of stone in many areas. My grandmother said the devil untied his apron springs to drop all the rocks on our farm.
@HeirOfNothingInParticular
@HeirOfNothingInParticular 6 сағат бұрын
My Midwestern county has numerous stacked stone walls. They’re everywhere.
@henryknox4511
@henryknox4511 4 күн бұрын
North pole has moved 1400 miles towards Siberia since 1850~
@richardwarren4879
@richardwarren4879 8 күн бұрын
OK, you said 2 miles back. That's alot of hiking
@AlbertKnesal-e2q
@AlbertKnesal-e2q 8 күн бұрын
First Persons in the Columbia River Gorge, built stone walls.
@robinkhan7468
@robinkhan7468 8 күн бұрын
I wonder if there were ever stone thieves. 😁 Walls with heavier rocks would stay in place.
@donnarouse9432
@donnarouse9432 8 күн бұрын
The pioneers toiled and had to have a place to throw the rocks
@AlexPletcherPhoto
@AlexPletcherPhoto 8 күн бұрын
In perfect grid patterns?
@Wearespurstv
@Wearespurstv 7 күн бұрын
I grew up in Southbury connecticut and we had the same stone walls as well. I don't believe farmers made ALL of them either. The explanation they used to be sheep/pig pens or vegetable gardens doesn't make sense to anyone whose spent alot of time in the woods. I can see why people who just read books think it's plausible farmers made them but there's no way in my opinion. Before refrigeration people had to maximize the spring and summer especially in the north east and there were some walls that would just go up an extremely steep hill. Why would they waste their time to do that. Some walls went on and on and would just end another wall that wasn't connected in any way would just run in another direction. I believe the people who made all the ancient mounds that got bulldozed and vandalized and destroyed also made the walls. Through out the mid west farmers would find these ancient mounds on their land and the Smithsonian as well as other government agencies would tell them to bulldoze it. The people who lived here before the native Americans and before the younger dryas flood 12,000 years ago had a huge city that spanded the east coast and they built them and the natives and colonist also built some as property borders or live stock pens.
@charleschapman2428
@charleschapman2428 3 күн бұрын
I always thought it was the Indian people that made the walls along with names of towns.
@stevenhistory
@stevenhistory 7 күн бұрын
John levy
@mylife6453
@mylife6453 3 сағат бұрын
Maybe Vikings.
@russell7489
@russell7489 3 күн бұрын
There's ample proof of people in Americas, from the West and East, long before it's 'accepted'. Some is suppressed by organizations who would have land title debated. Nearly all of it is avoided by archeologists after sexier digs to better their carrers. I'm sure you're aware of vast copper digs as far inland as the great lakes, with some evidence it went out via water ways towards Europe. I have to wonder if there aren't fingerprints to the copper extracted, exact compositions, that might not be compared to Europeans ancient copper work, bronze work too maybe? to confirm this. A massive effort to do that though, who would when there are ruins of entire cities left to dig up. Who plotted out the land in the squares that don't line up to later boundries? Earliest land grantee, well, the desperate wretch he hired to run the land grant, draw in shills to work the land, etc.. That could easily be 100, 200 years before major settlement of area resulted in late colonial terraformation, gettting rid of old growth forests often via variations of slash and burn. Why might that area over the cliff edge been so marked out so early, maybe a forest fire cleared that whole valley making it so much easier to settle? That cliff would have made a great fire break. It is hard that far inland from ocean and St Lawrence sea way to imaging Early Europeans setting up shop there. It is possible natives seeing how white man divided the land, planted, exploited it might have thought to use same method, with hope of being able to out produce whites, keep their cultures strong against invaders. Also possible they fled here within a few years of white man hitting the coast, after it became apparent that the disease they brought was going to destroy them all. Why adopt white mans idea to measure out land then? maybe proto defensive idea? Who knows. or It was plotted out and distributed per 'abandoned' grid, and then new surveys ignoring them were done to document individual land grants. Up to civil war or so the lengths of measures varied, from time to time, from region to region. Around me ;you're best off trying to find the conversion factors for chains and links that best match what lore says the boundries are first, then running with that. It's obvoius more than one standard was used in the nearly 200 yrs from first land grant to late 1850's documentation of all the small individual property holdings the great grants were broken into by then. & The 'work' into those walls, are nothing. We have no idea what work is now a days. Not even a strong man like you. Outside of the mega rocks, which I assume were from local exposed ledges not far from wall, or wall was made to incorporate their spallings, 5 guys could have built 6 feet of wall an hour, easy. In my area walls are 3 x as thick, MIN, and made of vast array of sizes and shapes, requiring real effort to stack soundly, solidly. Some walls are two of these walls, 6 to 8 feet apart, filled to top, 4 feet and more, with rocks dumped in. VAST constructions compared to yours. KNOWN to have been built by landowners after first grant in 1700s. Though they followed land and whatever 'deal' was cut in parceling out land, were not rigid square boundries. You have a real puzzle there, and agreed, not neolithic monumental work. Maybe look into land grant history. Old boundry records of churches, really really old orig 'towns' which would have been a tavern, a black smilth, if lucky a church and school, shops were first unknown, if there's a shop, might be like 50 to 100 yrs after initial settlement.
@jjones8813
@jjones8813 Күн бұрын
Roger Spurr from Mudfossil University found giant body parts in his backyard in Middlesex County Connecticut. Check out the Sleeping Giant Park for other megaliths. I found a giant finger or toe I named it Digit (can you dig it?) on an old rock wall from the 400 acre Benson farm close by in Middlebury where my dad was from. My great uncles had to clear the fields and make walls to keep the cows in every time their mom Hannah Beena Hanson Benson bought more property from the natives who traded for her cakes, pies, and breads.
@chiefjoseph8154
@chiefjoseph8154 5 күн бұрын
So……indigenous people never stacked stones?
@henryknox4511
@henryknox4511 4 күн бұрын
There's stacked stone structures all over the SW of course they did.
@nickydepalma739
@nickydepalma739 8 күн бұрын
It was the Beginning .
@metal--babble346
@metal--babble346 7 күн бұрын
Revolutionary war relics ??
@donnarouse9432
@donnarouse9432 8 күн бұрын
Jk maybe the aliens were playing yahtzee.
@phillydisco11
@phillydisco11 4 күн бұрын
Maybe Vikings did
@edwardmiller9611
@edwardmiller9611 Күн бұрын
Who is the owner of this property? Are you trespassing?
@RC-qf3mp
@RC-qf3mp 2 күн бұрын
Not gonna say it’s aliens. But it’s aliens. 👽
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 Күн бұрын
There's no way primitive folk back I'm the old days coulda piled up stuff in straight lines - it was the little gray guys with the probes that did it
@RC-qf3mp
@RC-qf3mp Күн бұрын
@ not necessarily the gray aliens. There are four known species of aliens. Could’ve been any of them, or a fifth one.
@StripedBass617
@StripedBass617 8 күн бұрын
Native Americans
@Dani-n6y7m
@Dani-n6y7m Күн бұрын
Europeans allways Think their the first Somewhere..
@connorsrelicsandtreasures9862
@connorsrelicsandtreasures9862 8 күн бұрын
the only way they did this was the help of Oxen's. they were strong animals and moved a lot boulders around the property and place them in a direction of where a farm was settled.
@heavymetalpermaculture
@heavymetalpermaculture 6 күн бұрын
The natives didn't have oxen...
@southernvtgrown
@southernvtgrown 8 күн бұрын
✌🏻💚🙏🏻
@ShellCracker138
@ShellCracker138 4 күн бұрын
I just found your channel. I have a similar mindset it seems. My seeking has rewarded me beyond my prior imagination. I may be able to help you discover the truth about these walls. Finding answers in other areas is the only way. The answers I have found, coupled with what you know so far, could very well blow the lid off the mysteries of these walls. If you respond to this message, please leave some way for me to contact you. I will also check for contact information around your channel. If I find a means, I will email or write you. This can be figured out, but it will take a very open and willing mind. BTW, I live near NH.
That was absolutley crazy but i made an amazing discovery
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