SHOT Show NEW Laser Aiming Modules

[@bmlw1197]

Hop looks like he’s the type of lesbian that would run a McDonald’s like a navy ship ❤

[@Space_Racer]

The fact that this is currently the ONLY comment on this video is amazing.

[@natsuccubus]

if he was short and fat absolutely

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

Why is the stereo type of LGBT people in the Navy a thing? Just because it's true doesn't mean we have to speak actual facts.

[@legendsneverdie25]

Bet you still would though

[@99cobra2881]

This comment wins the internet today 🤣

[@texasranger24]

As expected, the secret ingredient to a good laser is crime.

[@IndianaMan44]

Legend for getting this put together. Thank you BF and Hop. Edit - Not Hop

[@novagroup2]

just me. I did this all, shun hop

[@CheeseBurgerXJ]

@@novagroup2Mountain Dew *sippppp*

[@Space_Racer]

Honestly the Zbolt might be my choice. Form factor seems really nice. I do hope we can get some solid answers out of holosun for their LAM. Odd that no one on their team seems to know anything about it.

[@DZ4295DBW]

Meh fuck Holosun.

[@NvwaAqoKy2kg]

Same. I've been liking their Surefire tail cap crane connector conversions. Solidly made, work well, no visible loss. The fact the laser has a vis override like a DBAL is something I really want on more units. Hopefully it gets produced, is in stock, and not a billion dollars. Fingers crossed

[@DZ4295DBW]

@@NvwaAqoKy2kg The spokesperson gave a Q3 Release Date. Emphasis on civ variant first and foremost with pricing. A few years ago they probably ran into hurdles when constructing it but manufacturing back then was also a tad tedious as well. So, this time around it should be good to go but as always... Take initial release dates with a grain of salt. I'm definitely looking forward to it, that's for sure...but til then I'll just keep saving up money for a Raid XE.

[@wildcat8598]

ARFcom just did a video with one of their reps explaining it in detail as well as other products of theirs

[@zbolt_e_optics]

@@DZ4295DBW not happy with initial design, replaced team, complete overhaul.

[@HeinousinAppearance]

As a poor I have copium for the IRIS.

[@Scads_In_Space]

Glad atleast 1 youtuber isnt just covering the new flavours of ar15s at shotshow. Doing the lawds work Brassfacts ❣

[@Darkside540]

I still don't understand why laser aiming modules cost so fucking much. Laser and IR technology are decades old yet we still pay a hefty premium. And I don't want to hear anything about materials and machining. Aluminum is one of the cheapest materials to buy in bulk and one of the easiest and cheapest to machine with minimal overhead.

[@brucetucker4847]

My guess is they get away with it because NV is such an expensive field to enter. The market for LAMs is pretty much restricted to people who've already spent $5k + on NODs, so there's not much market pressure for budget LAMs the way there is for red dots or LPVOs.

[@ameritus9041]

That sweet, sweet government money doesn't help either. All the nicer ones are made to take advantage of military contracts, and why would they sell it to you or me for less than what the government is paying for it? And the government doesn't care about 1000% markups.

[@billdberger7407]

I'm certain mass manufacturing ruggedized optical chassis that need to be able to handle recoil and rough handling yet remain in a repeatable zeroed state for a service life of at least a year or two isn't cheap or simple. The Chinese don't care about market perception they want to dominate every market they can, if they could sell us lams that people want to use for >$500 I'm positive they would. I've only done minor work with Javelin & TOW optical systems and even that wasn't my main job so I really don't know what it takes to miniaturize and production/cost optimize these ruggedized optical chassis, though I have a feeling it's a real engineering challenge.

[@desk_pop_operator]

its do to all the federal regulations they have to meet and alot of the testing is expensive and they need to make their money back that’s why the china market sells 3d printed boxes with more potency than the sun for like 15.99

[@gruntymunky4082]

All of those previous comments are wrong. Military acquisitions infantryman here, the lasers are governed and heavily regulated by the FDA. the theory behind the cost is to make it as cost prohibitive as possible for a normal civilian user. In the old days the feds were really scared of the population getting military combat capabilities, so with regulation comes cost. They destroyed our economy and intentionally makes the regulations add fees to licensing products. Their fear was a populist uprising that would undo their Jewish control of the usury system we are enslaved by today. Making costs high is their way of throttling your accessibility, without unconstitutionally banning them outright or they would have. Time to wake up water heads.

[@snekky1315]

I liked the pestily reference

[@BorkNom]

Some non-fudd shot shot coverage. Niceeee

[@michaelnyden8056]

I do like that the zbolt has a vis override port. $1500 is still steep for me considering I have two platforms to outfit, this the Holosun may be the route I have to go

[@caseysmith8831]

My same thoughts

[@zbolt_e_optics]

It's not possible to build a LAM in the US at Holosun prices. Factory workers are 15x the cost in the US for instance. We are delivering to a wider market that requires us to satisfy certain design functions and features. (civilian, US and Allied militaries, LE) I hope the Iris works out for your budget and particular laser requirements. 👍

[@PolymerLad]

I'm just glad there's more options for LAMs coming to the civilian market.

[@grangelaser1]

D2 was my best design and I had the best team help me make it real, “in-terms of illumination” 15 years ago. VCSEL and LEP IR is now.

[@magnusskipton7067]

I’m honestly surprised no company makes a “user serviceable” ir laser that is coincidentally very easy to swap the .7mw or whatever regulated laser with a “.7mw” (full power) laser from eBay or temu or something. They just want the user to be able to tinker with the unit if it gets damaged or whatever excuse, it’s not their fault the user stuck a powerful laser in it. Seems like it would sell like hot cakes to me.

[@zbolt_e_optics]

Maybe jail?

[@depthcharge126]

Sigh, what a letdown. Was hoping for OGL, or at least a mulligan with the IRIS. AGM just reselling lasersneeds is hilarious

[@joker747A]

Great to hear from you.. was beginning to think you had been rolled up in Vegas

[@rpnvg]

Sweet Jesus, this is the video I’ve really been waiting for. Thanks for posting this.

[@TheOVprodigy]

Even if the the illuminator power on the holosun is mid, which I’m assuming it probably is, the size, weight and beam dial make it extremely appealing to me.

[@senorFrog2032]

There footage of it. Looks like an atpial-c

[@meatsmudge5349]

@@senorFrog2032 That was, in fact, addressed directly in this video. Did you watch the video? Or did you just skip straight to the comments?

[@JackTagar]

Iris sounds promising, though aestheticly I prefer the LE321 body. And I wish they'd stripped out some of the adjustment features and just gave us a more barebones version (like the i2 is to the D2) and had this one be the premium version

[@zbolt_e_optics]

We've designed for capability, overall value, and broad market appeal, which includes price. Military and LE customers need the adjustment features. Not interested in being the low cost LAM on the market.

[@dylankroll]

Spoke to the owner of Zbolt. Production is already tooled up. Release is q1, I even preordered one. They’re delivering at 1500 as well. The others I cannot confirm.

[@zbolt_e_optics]

3QTR 2024

[@meatsmudge5349]

@@zbolt_e_optics Thank you for responding directly to quash disinformation that would frustrate customers. As someone who wanted an ACAL badly all last year, I appreciate this.

[@rammaychannel]

Q2 2025

[@nurse-dude]

Call me cautiously optimistic with the prospects of the civi market here in 2024

[@scottmartin1811]

The video I’ve been waiting for! Appreciate the content

[@HedgeMaster26]

Went to a range day that my local LGS had this past summer and spoke to the EOTech rep, he said it should be available before the end of the year; last year end of year. It's sad that a small company like Z Bolt can make a LAM device before EOTech can.

[@afwaller]

Small companies always move faster. Big companies always move slower. Once big companies move they are hard to stop however. Inertia. Think of a hare compared to an elephant.

[@zbolt_e_optics]

EOTech is selling 1,000's of OGLs to government customers. Big volume, the CIV market will be 10% the size, so . . .

[@gammatheta491]

Year of the lever action but I have yet to see a tube fed 9mm. I don’t get how they’ve dodged the most common caliber

[@LRRPFco52]

You see the culmination of over a century of public schooling bounce off the most efficient and progressive engineering firearms solutions developed in the 1950s, regress through 1800s-era rifle actions going backwards from bolt guns to lever guns. Next up: revolver rifles, followed by harmonica feed systems. It’s nauseating.

[@gammatheta491]

@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd interesting… I get 556 not working because they’re pointy, but a regular fmj 9 is pretty well rounded

[@Enjoyer.762]

If they're pushing Fudd lever actions, it's because they're anticipating more AWBs and 2A infringements coming in 2024 after Trump & Republicans lose the election.

[@toddinfl]

Hop with that butch-cut in the beginning....

[@SleepyTom2165]

Was just on AGM’s site, it is indeed the Laserspeed in all its glory

[@michaelnyden8056]

I hope next years shot show will have a Elcan knock off that is lighter weight from primary arms or Holosun at around a $600 price point!

[@zbolt_e_optics]

ACAL Class 3R VCSEL Illuminator 45mW, 4 to 25 degree variable zoom

[@josiahb55]

Any updates on eta of acal?

[@TheMsdos25]

​@@josiahb55sometime between the release of Elder Scrolls VI and Star Citizen.

[@josiahb55]

@@TheMsdos25 Lol

[@cjsherry234]

For what it’s worth Brock, this was the first video I’ve seen about the iris. I’ve seen a lot of pictures on insta but this was the first video

[@novagroup2]

huh, neat.

[@highdesertdrew1844]

I've been at SHOT all this week, feet sore, mexican food eaten. Nice to see some coverage that reflects the kind of cynicism I've come to respect from the Nova Group. It's been a fantastic year though. Great things, it looks like my 2024 is going to either be full of good paying work, or completely derailed by election year CW2 politics.

[@touge242]

This is the only channel where I'd watch an NV gear video start to finish, with no desire to sell my kidney to afford NV. I also lack a battle buddy to run NV with.

[@stevenkraus1679]

I would definitely consider a zbolt. But I'm interested to see how good the holosun really is

[@phillipk1258]

Lever actions and pistol comps

[@CollKill2]

Laser tism activated

[@Spanishproject123100]

You mean to tell me BrassFacts that you aren't excited about the pistol that was so good the company went out of business like five years ago? That's the new hotness. That's what everyone wants to talk about.

[@veldin25]

Funny but if you consider they went out of business because they early announced the aluminum frame, so everyone stopped buying the steel one, then yes this is actually exciting

[@meatsmudge5349]

@@veldin25 Tell me that gun didn't have a number of problems with a straight face.

[@michaelnyden8056]

Like everything at shot show we will be lucky if it’s commercially available six months from now unfortunately. If the Holosun is vcsel, it’s specs show it being lighter than current comparative/equivalent ls321 which is a win! It would seems somogear needs to make a true vcsel ngal model next since you can actually get them unlike the invisible sight ones and they would have a winner but then they may need to go legal and nerf it’s power.

[@Spanishproject123100]

It’ll be interesting to see what people think of the EG NGAL when it pops up.

[@jaymob2748]

Thanks hop. What is your favorite NVG at shot show this year

[@OpieInTheSmokies]

Damn just found this channel. Night complete

[@stefens3135]

Where do you recommend buying. Night vision from? So many companies not sure where to go

[@brucetucker4847]

Darq Industries (used to be Goonin Gear) has a pretty solid rep. I got an L3 Harris PVS-14 from them and was very happy with the device and the service.

[@benjamingibson8458]

Thank you for your service

[@thewiezman]

praying for close out deals on the holosun 321 i’ve been putting off buying for three years

[@asteriskman]

came here directly from a Pestily vid and I get a "Let's crack straight into it". 🤯

[@novagroup2]

he's everywhere.

[@jonahkolell]

Did, you ask the manufacturers if they considered selling a kit so that we can make lasers that have more then 5ma

[@Enjoyer.762]

Definitely test these once they become available

[@ryanweiss1721]

I desperately hope the IRIS doesn't suck. I don't want to spend MAWL money and Phantom Hill is perpetually out of stock.

[@zbolt_e_optics]

Buy American 🇺🇸

[@styxrf]

"Lets Crack straight into it" ... someone is a pestily fan

[@tylerz28]

I want an illuminator adjustment that takes you from 40 degrees to 10. Not 10 to 1 degree. You have to use NV exactly one time to realize you aren't shooting past 200 yards in perfect conditions. I dont need an illuminator to be optimized for a sniper rifle.

[@Maximus98351]

The version 2 laser speed peq 15 knock off is legit other than the knobs still feel a bit flimsy. If AGM sells it at full power then yeah worth it probably, but if it's neutered no thanks.

[@NDSTRUCTIBLE1]

The EOTECH OGL is now in production for the military, and at the end of 2024, the civilian model should be in production.

[@novagroup2]

they said that last year.

[@CrewExpendable2007]

We’ve had these for 10 years or more. They’re just now becoming public knowledge.

[@novagroup2]

no, these are 3 new models. LAM? Yes we've had these forever, but not in configurations that are affordable or powerful to the civ market.

[@Lynxdefense]

Love the info dump. Keep it up!

[@chromosomehoarder6927]

Finally Brass uploads

[@grantchristensen9995]

I waited a year thinking Eotech would release their laser. Ended up going with Wilcox Raid Xe hopefully its worth it

[@shaneciccarelli-palmer2962]

“The great ones (LAMs) cost more than your night vision” - the guy that didn’t even know the ACAL was a thing until months after it being announced

[@novagroup2]

we talked about the ACAL 2 years ago. the ACAL also doesn't exist.

[@stephenurban9880]

The AGM could be a full power unit, that they restrict to LEO sales on Dept letterhead.

[@novagroup2]

that's even worse :(

[@stihl888]

Pretty sure the Zbolt creater also created the DBAL2?

[@reaper9297]

Any plans to review the laserspeed m6tr?

[@novagroup2]

wip

[@kajhelin6822]

Laserspeed just announced a new 3 in 1 laser. Hopefully it´s great.

[@novagroup2]

they're sending me one, so tbd

[@kajhelin6822]

Awesome.@@novagroup2

[@stampede720]

"Let's crack straight into it" Tell me you play Tarkov without telling me.

[@michaelnyden8056]

I like the concept of the zbolt but some of us want to put irons in front of the lam so that center bore design has advantages and disadvantages made they will make a mountable leaf sight on it?

[@GearWithGabe]

I believe they already have plans to make it leaf sight mountable

[@zbolt_e_optics]

The housing has predrilled holes for a flip-up BUIS.

[@gavindooly2375]

You say you're a lefty on a lot of your videos. I have a lower receiver suggestion for you. Try the Sharps Bros livewire lower receiver for your AR. The only proprietary piece is the bolt release on the right side and the extended bolt release transfer bar inside of it. Besides that it's 100% mil spec parts kit compatible with an aggressively flared magwell and an oversized trigger guard all in a forged package. You can buy one for about $136 on a good day.

[@brandon4383.]

Im not lefty but i do like ambo lowers and this one is pretty cool looking

[@gavindooly2375]

@@brandon4383. it's 100% worth the money. And the ergos are pretty good.

[@HypeBeast764]

It’s not illegal for us companies to sell. They just refuse😊 to and prefer getting government contracts rather than selling commercial to civilians.

[@novagroup2]

yeah it is. You're confusing it with owner ship. It's not illegal to own a restricted device, but it is illegal to sell it.

[@gattosquad2241]

Colourblind, its a very colourblind design..... you dropped the ball on that one man.

[@novagroup2]

but wouldn't a colorblind person want a tactile button (like how everyone else does it) instead of two very similar shades on a tiny pin prick LED?

[@cartertufts0401]

I told you the OGL for civilians was something they wanted to produce lol and they called me a madman

[@CombatBuckee]

So you mean to say is there’s actually hope that the OGL is obtanium Holy shit

[@MoonMoon-gu2ge]

1500 is still too rich for my blood, probably gonna be the holosun. Although enough leds attached to a lipo bank to light up the entire valley would probably still be a little cheaper

[@mobeus5019]

Hope you get a refund on that hotel room for no AC. No way would I allow them to charge full price. REALLY interested in the Holosun. I like my current LE and LS 117, but simply was not interested in the weaksauce illuminators they are handicapped with on the 3/4 series.

[@joejoeseesingtons]

Good stuff

[@TexanApollyon]

Holosun is promising, but I'm not gonna hold my breath

[@D.M.Luiz.]

Brassfacts are you going to get that new and improved flux raider?

[@novagroup2]

if I can, yeah

[@DieseNuesse]

whats with the strike industries laser?

[@Gunbrah]

What about the new LS MI6? It’s an improved FL5 without the white light

[@TheMsdos25]

Does it still have a proprietary remote switch?

[@eaglesblades]

Yes ​@@TheMsdos25

[@BratacOfChulak]

About time

[@mcleod_aka_doom1961]

Did u see the cake on that man in the blue pants? I know we aren't supposed to say things like that, but the man put in the work and I feel like we should appreciate it. I'm jealous af bro.

[@JamesMelton]

Beefcake looks to have some enormous side delts, which is typically a sign of stack usage. And where he's juiced to the gills or a natty god doesn't change his work ethic or diminish the worthy call out. All I'm saying is don't be jealous of his end result in physique and just hustle on your own to its potential. If he's juiced and you're natty, you know?

[@mcleod_aka_doom1961]

@@JamesMelton I just see beauty in that booty

[@mig1nc]

Vik-sell! Dang it, Vick!

[@rodneyharrison7107]

I still don't know what this is ?

[@michaelnyden8056]

I hope the Holosun decides to go to a traditional dial instead of the push button vis/IR

[@ep6727]

they did its the switch on the left side of the back he just got confused. Down is off 1 up is Vis laser 2 up is IR laser only 3 up is IR Laser + Illuminator

[@novagroup2]

nope. Unless there's two models floating around. The Rear button controls vis vs IR. its even stated in the brochure that it's like that.

[@ep6727]

@novagroup2 OK I stand corrected. There was some bad info being given out at the show, but there has been clarification given. The switch on the left is the power select with low/off/high and the button is the mode for Vis/IR and that is confirmed to be the final design.

[@richardharris5819]

Sorry, but what is considered full power wattage wise, is it 5.0 mW?

[@novagroup2]

for the illuminator about 20-50mw

[@richardharris5819]

@@novagroup2 Good to know. I've got the ZenitCo Perst-4 and it's crazy Brite😁

[@tfwwhennofitlitgf3300]

Hopefully the IRIS drives down the price of the Laserspeed M6 and forces them to start making them with Crane ports.

[@tonyv6815]

What does it say about the industry that seemingly the only companies eben trying to carry the price-to-performane baton are palmetto, primary arms, and fucking holosun

[@LRRPFco52]

It’s not the industry per se, but labor costs in the US plus inflation. If you run a machine shop, compliance with OSHA, EPA, State, and local regs can be a real witch. There are literally armies of mentally-retarded government employees whose job it is to tell you “NO”. We’re going to need to take an axe to those regulations and turn on the US energy production faucets even more to fix some of these barriers. The good news is that labor costs in China are now 1.5x that of Mexico, so more US companies are already moving their operations back to the Americas at least.

[@tonyv6815]

@@LRRPFco52 This is all 100% correct

[@novagroup2]

overseas manf like China cannot be bought by the DoD. Which ironically means they actually have to design a good product that isn't a slaved to military contract reqs

[@thomashoffman5745]

I don't understand the infatuation with IR laser modules. Why not just wear a big neon sign that says "here I am".

[@pounc3r782]

is the OGL metal or plastic?

[@AncientGloom]

Aluminum.

[@Kaotix_music]

aaaggghhh it was so obvious the OGL was stopped by L3. L3 like RED cameras and Compressed RAW video. Theyll sue literally everyone...even apple. L3 used to own EOtech. Im not at shot but im assuming they started the NGAL project together and when Eotech left L3, took some of those designs to the OGL and L3 said "no, no nooooo"

[@novagroup2]

they're selling OGLs time now. Just their focus is on military/LE

[@nipsy_lafett]

Welcome to where I shit, on everything 😂

[@martino7263]

AC in January?

[@GerardButIer]

only problem i have with holosun is their design aesthetic. they really need to hire a new art division

[@Kai-ky6tf]

you missed strike industries laser

[@darprdun8968]

I can buy a legal flamethrower and a legal bloop toob but god forbid we get a powerful civ laser

[@lovemydrums2002]

Are they only for night vision?

[@collinb.8542]

I think the holosun has a visible laser.

[@brucetucker4847]

@@collinb.8542 No reason to buy it if you don't have night vision, though. You can get just a vis laser for 1/4 the price.

[@snakebite210]

Brassfacts Friday 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@novagroup2]

there's more... give me 10 more min, just got home

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

But I have one very important question. Is Nova being a good girl today?

[@novagroup2]

i actually dont know, she's at my parents.

[@PureCountryof91]

You know. You undercut yourself. Youre a younger presenter. You have careful well thought out material and a fun time doing this. Keep it going. And bug DPMS.

[@SMACK1978]

Dual switch on the iris trash? If it’s even somewhat competent that saves a hondo 🤷🏽

[@DarkWolff.]

I need to start YT channel so i can get into shotshow

[@emperorbobarino]

As per usual, the Chinese are happy to deliver affordable and available tactical accessories to the American civilian market.

[@zbolt_e_optics]

They're also happy to pay employees $2 an hour 🙂

[@emperorbobarino]

@@zbolt_e_optics Which is lame. So, actually deliver on your laser and we can talk.

[@zbolt_e_optics]

@@emperorbobarino We are building the ACAL for many markets, (civilian, US and Allied militaries, LEO) and we talk to thousands of people. There is no way to satisfy end users that want us to sell a device at a price close to equal what it takes to build it in the United States. We have to eat! Holosun satisfies a particular market - good for them, and good for you. I hope it works out for your particular budget and laser requirements. 👍

[@emperorbobarino]

@@zbolt_e_optics So, this is your response to me agreeing with you, that paying people $2 an hour is lame and to show me a real product for sale (Not: join the waitlist to get notified)? 👍👍

[@ikemouser2580]

whats the weight on the Acal

[@novagroup2]

9oz

[@ikemouser2580]

@@novagroup2 with battery or without?

[@zbolt_e_optics]

@@ikemouser2580with battery

[@Loyal69]

Let me guess, all 3k overpriced, a MINIMAL gain, and mil/leo ordering

[@novagroup2]

well, just the OGL atm. the rest are half that.

[@jacksonmarshallkramer5087]

Hate that slide switch. That's stupid.

[@miasanmia2519]

Vcsel “Vic-sell”

[@rklkify]

i mean agm is pretty much just rebranded chinese made thermals.

[@USA_djhiggi77]

I'm struggling to see the point of the iris. If it doesnt have better performance than a LS321 the question has to be asked, wtf the point even is... Looks like theres a couple of creature comforts included, but the top slider looks like it has no detents and just a smooth slide design and its located right on the top of the f'ing thing which is bad, I'm gonna bump that into a different setting all the time and have to re adjust it, I just know it. Looks cooler than an LS321, but that's not saying much because everything looks cooler than a LS321, it has a rear activation button which I do like, probably the feature I like the most about it to be honest. I just struggle to see why Holosun would invest so much time and money into R&D of a product that I bet you has the exact same performance as a LS321. I predict theyll either stop making the LS321 or the Iris after awhile because the two just seem to have a lot of overlap and the costs of the two are so similar that it doesnt make sense to make both.

[@novagroup2]

if it's the same as the LS321, it's trash But it's vcel, which means they somewhat understand the FDA power dynamic, I would find it really weird if then ended up doing all that to just role with crap powered. also the slider is really stiff, and has light detents.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

@@novagroup2 LS321 is trash? Brock, I thought you liked the LS321.

[@USA_djhiggi77]

@@novagroup2 yeah fingers crossed that it has higher power. Its holosun so we probably wont see it for awhile and whenever it officially releases it will be Unobtanium for awhile if it's good. Hop made a good point about the power output, how some smaller companies, can get away with putting out full powered LAM's but I dont know if Holosun can get away with it or if the US federal government even gives enough of a shit if it was full powered. Better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

[@USA_djhiggi77]

@@FinalLugiaGuardian that's not exactly what he said. They covered the LS321 in their all inclusive comprehension of all US commercially available LAM's on the list. In the real world list the LS321 was on top with the DBAL D2, both at the top for different reasons. Why the LS321 is so good, is mainly because the US LAM market is so bad. Bad bad. Like really fucking bad. The LS321 is something you can buy where it wont loose its value, you'll be able to sell it for about just as much as you got it for. Performance is trash but so is the competition at the pricepoint it comes at. Holosun is a real company that will replace or fix your shit if it breaks and quicker than Steiner and that's saying something. For around 700 dollars you get VIS and IR laser plus illuminator at the cucked power output. You arent getting anything with those features for that price unless its airsoft. The LS321 is everything it needs to be and nothing it doesnt all for 700 dollars. They're durable, yes they are, at this point enough of them have been put to use and the ones that are bad are usually bad out of box and you just contact Holosun and theyll make it right and you get a LAM that works. The reason it's so weak is to comply with some BS federal regulation that says civilians are not to have lasers over a certain power level, not because makers are incompetent. As they put it, an LS321 will never loose its usefulness. It's a beginner LAM that you will want to upgrade for the sole purpose of "more powa", other than the power, the LS321 is pretty much perfect and more than adequate for the price you'll pay. Youll upgrade to a D2 and put it on your main rifle and the LS321 will then make it's way to a backup rifle you have that can be used by a friend. At closer distances the power of the LS321 is wholly adequate so there really isnt any need for anything extra on a PCC like a MPX or Scorpion. That's where my LS321 is on right now and it works out really well. So it's good because it's bad in a bad market but it's cheaper, it works, it's simple, and thats what makes it good at being bad.