Destiny 2 - What Happened to Raid Loot?

[@NovemberHotel]

I forgot to mention great Vanity Items like rare ships, sparrows, ornaments, and top tier shaders that would drop from raids. But alas, Eververse has destroyed loot for items like those.

[@theventureguy2479]

NovemberHotel I’m pretty sure that Bungie confirmed in a previous article on Bungie.net they will have at least one exotic level vanity item in end game content including raids going forward

[@chanboy2524]

Should have been in the game day 1 of the raid launch tho

[@theventureguy2479]

Chan Boy well it’s too late for that now, better late than never

[@sea4524]

I do have to say, no offense to like 75% of the Destiny community, but they are snowflakes. They just want things to be given to them and it makes the experience worse as a result. For example, the buffs to raid drop rates. Why?! Exotics are supposed to be rare! We don't need a hand holding mechanism all the time. Now if you've done the raid 100 times and still haven't gotten it, than ya it makes sense. But the fact that Bungie made it easier for kindergaudians to get some of the best weapons in the game, that aint right.

[@okdowke7027]

"It's too hard to make content" LMAO

[@Lok3t3]

i was literally thinking about his while playing destiny 1. Its just so good to play it after all of this solstice of farming thing

[@chanboy2524]

Solstice of big gay. I didn’t even do it lol

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

@@chanboy2524 haha hilarious, you said gay 🙄

[@madduloc]

Has issues with completing simple objectives 🤦‍♀️, goes to show how lazy the destiny 2 community is getting.

[@Lok3t3]

@@madduloc Lazy? The objectives are not hard. The problems are 1. The rewards, 2. No one wants to play fucking gambit

[@Akiihito]

@@Lok3t3 i wanna play gambit

[@DemetriusPooleJr]

I played every raid with my friends and new people. Sometimes we'll pick up a random and if they didn't know how to do the raid we'll teach them the ropes. Man so many memories the glory days!!! The day I finally got gjallarhorn to finally drop.

[@Agent_Nick_5000]

Bruh wdym they gave it a quest, and I was even there when xur sold g horn for the 2nd time I asked my cousin the person who shaped me into the god player I am now if it was worth it and he kicked me off ( his house) and I didn't get to buy g horn 😋

[@KryXOXO]

@@Agent_Nick_5000 Yeah the dlc version of the gjally was post nerfed version which wasnt like its old glory days.

[@One_of_Many750]

Agreed. D1 Is Where It Was At.

[@Lichtboys]

I actually like the mod system tbh. Really let’s you customize how you play. But I don’t like that people play raids for mods. They should be a bonus, not the main chase.

[@Agent_Nick_5000]

Lichtboys you really gonna tell me it not worth farming for fallen mods when the next raid is fallen

[@conjonsilver_]

I like it but it needs some changes deffo

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

I like the D1 system better but that's my opinion

[@Lichtboys]

Agent_nick _5000 it’s worth it. Mods just shouldn’t be the main chase in raids, it should be the loot

[@Kuhmodo]

@@Agent_Nick_5000 again, it should be a bonus.... Not the main appeal of a raid.

[@yopwor]

The only raid with perk combos that were unique was scourge, so sad.

[@onyonrong9244]

The no feelings scout rifle with box breathing is insane for PvP. 3 tapping people from across the map is so satisfying. I have 500+ kills on it and I didn’t even get it that long ago. One of my favorite raid weapons. Other raid weapons kinda suck except for maybe the nation of beasts with the fatebringer roll.

[@ryanmattioli9790]

Bloomin Onion that scout rifle sucks supremacy the curated threat level and curated crown shotgun are the best raid weapkns

[@nileboy5055]

Proto Pinnacles

[@MrCubassss]

that's just flat out wrong - I can't actually think of any raid legendary without unique combinations - yall are just a bunch of bitter assholes imo, stop lying to make yourself feel better

[@seanliu1311]

Omniscient Eye from GoS was amazing, one of the only sniper rifles that had 40 zoom, probably the only energy sniper to replace beloved.

[@xinpa]

I feel like you make good points about things d1 did better than d2, most of the time anyways, but then it always devolves into a ”destiny 2 bad, destiny 1 good”- circlejerk lmao

[@TheMostWickedThey.veEverSeen]

Ikr

[@Ray-fm7yf]

He start with a good point and devolves into a nostolga circle jerk

[@jackdaddypfc]

But it's true to a point.

[@Ray-fm7yf]

@@jackdaddypfc to a point yes. But almost all of these videos are tainted with huge bias

[@xinpa]

Father Mark he has good points about thing d1 does well, thats for sure. I feel like he unfairly misrepresents d2 and its systems by either glossing over them quickly, not mentioning them at all or just saying that theyre bad with no explanation.

[@goodguyben6716]

i do agree with you that there should be an exclusive perk inside of a raid but when it comes to weapons you have very similar weapons from D1 but called something else like fatebringer 2.0. there are many weapons which are good its just currently the archetypes of weapons from the raid aren't 600 rpm atuo rifles. the supremacy is a great crucible weapon as well as omniscient eye, nation of beats has a great curated stat and chattering bone/sacred provenience are great pulse rifle but these weapons are currently not meta in the current sandbox. in terms of armour there is many mods which effect each race like taken/fallen/hive armaments/invigoration/barrier/repurposing as well as other like the leviathan effecting ones or the dreaming city effects. and on top of the ,mods EXCLUSIVE to the raids the armour also come as a high roll in the 60s-70s (excluding the free chests) TLDR: the guns are similar to D1 with similar perks but most aren't meta currently (although they should have exclusive perks) and armour has exclusive mods which help a lot anywhere but especially in high end nightfalls, raids and dungeons.

[@kyro9763]

Finally someone said it thanks u

[@goodguyben6716]

@@aj_darkblade he just wants to shit on the game and gives it no recognition for all the good it has

[@thechillmusicstation]

D2 is better, i dont wanna change my mind✌️🙂

[@ryanmattioli9790]

Ben Marquis have you seen his d1 new character play through he can’t go one minute without taking some shit in d2 it’s like I’m not here for this

[@Twenty-uz1dp]

I think the problem isn’t that Raid weapons are bad, it’s the lack of loot hierarchy. If we look back to d1 Raid weapons seemed godly, despite being truthfully average. This illusion is created by the fact that everything outside of the raid was shit, so average guns looked god tier compared to garbage. In d2, you can get weapons in the tower that are equal to raid weapons, making it look like the raid weapons are shit. However, this does seem like something bungie is going to fix. They cited sunsetting as something that will allow them to make guns better, since the guns will cycle out. So if bungie release a raid gun that is broken, it’s ok bc it will be gone in the future. His point about d2 raid loot being useless is valid though, just for different reasons than he gave. D2 raid loot is bad because of their relative power to other guns in the game, not because of their absolute power

[@jackdoran1329]

Finally someone brought it up lol In d1 you grinded to get to the raid and get great loot. In d2 you don’t even have to bother, because 90% of the raid loot is awful or overshadowed by weapons outside of the activity. It no longer feels like the “pinnacle” activity and just something there for the hardcore. There’s no point if the loot is terrible

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

U can get better stuff from strikes HAHA

[@Ghost88320]

Easiest fix for this, make raid loot the best loot obtainable.

[@Agent_Nick_5000]

Ghost 7132 but then Reddit will cry because they are too shit to get good It's happened before, example raid exotic and year 1 tirials loot

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

At the same time, you can't make the weapons overpowered. I think it could make for a pretty good balance if raid loot focused primarily on PvE perks.

[@thewok4131]

@@Agent_Nick_5000 yeah😂

[@conjonsilver_]

@@trickytreyperfected1482 they should be similar level to d1 weapons make them the best but other options are still decent. Look at chaos dogma, vision of confluence and hung jury. All good and all usable. Good for different situations

[@Kuhmodo]

@@Agent_Nick_5000 and that's the issue... If they REALLY want the gun they should be playing the game instead of crying in a thread. I think it's a bad idea to appeal to people like. It waters the game down for everyone.

[@osiris1828]

I think part of this includes Bungie’s need to appeal to casual players. If all of the good weapons were in raids, casuals would complain.

[@tomwhite7022]

Osiris but there should still be decent weapons for casuals to use in world drops,

[@chief6163]

Casuals ruin every game

[@funkyrealcat2054]

@@chief6163 however casuals is what keeps games like this alive

[@theguywiththegrasses2467]

Is it too much to ask to be able to rub my deep stone crypt weapons in a casual's face

[@osiris1828]

Tom White That’s my point. All of the good weapons aside from exotics are available to casuals. The point is that the dedicated player won’t have a major advantage over the casual player because the dedicated player doesn’t have access to loot that is significantly better than what the casual player has access to.

[@sidoboi]

Why does no one talk about how white nail has been in the game on 3 different weapons in two different games and for some reason Everytime It was getting ammo from no where then it was nerfed to take from reserves

[@theventureguy2479]

I like the armour 2.0 system but I agree with the raid mods, not only should they be intrinsic perks on the armour but they should actually be useful in the raid. In Garden of salvation the only useful raid mod is relay defender and having intrinsic perks would not only incentivise wearing raid armour in the raid, but it will also not force you to waste armour energy

[@blazmatic1216]

you do realise only the raid armour can put the mods on right?

[@theventureguy2479]

Nexopatoor yeah that’s not entirely correct, you can equip Garden of Salvation mods on Shadowkeep, Season of the Undying and Season of Dawn armour

[@w0ffl]

@@theventureguy2479 thats why raid armor isnt special anymore, its all about the look of the armor at this point instead of the way it performs

[@slackstarfish8133]

0:44 YES BRO this is what I’ve been trying to explain to people

[@manwich_enjoyer]

I really am tired of it too

[@Forcer69]

Raid legendaries? Worse Raid armor cosmetic? Comparing default looks, they look about the same (besides EoW and SoS, maybe Garden aswell) Exotics? Far better, like way better

[@NovemberHotel]

Raid armor looks are important, but raid armor perks like the increased armor with Siva charges, and perks like vex breaker on vault of Glass gear. Definitely a downgrade

[@Forcer69]

NovemberHotel I was just referring to the look, their are the mods, but why would I take off charged with light for it

[@lZacox]

@@Forcer69 i mean... I would definitely prefer a taken barrier mod in the prophecy dungeon instead of a charge of light build lol

[@varunrajesh1028]

Z4C0X 16 yea that’s what I would think

[@txmako]

D2 has been disappointing since launch. I remember the very 1st time I actually saw a fireteam in raid armor in D1. I was picked up in the tower cuz they needed a titan bubble for crota. When I spawned in and saw everybody for the 1st in their raid armor, I was like these guys look badass!!! You knew immediately in D1 when you saw someone in raid armor....not so much in D2. Disappointing to say the least...

[@elasiaval904]

Confused ngl, supremacy, omniscient eye, chattering bone, nation of beasts, tyranny of heaven and accrued redemption are some of the best of there type of weapon, post sunset at least.

[@inFamous_Izanagi]

Agreed. The unique perk combinations, or lack thereof, is a problem though. They just drop normal weapons that can be good or complete shit. Nothing unique about them except for how they look, which is still nice, but a perk that would do more damage to say... vex, fallen, hive, or taken would be nice. It would have to be a third trait though. No replacing perks for those.

[@blastfurnace3095]

I don’t like he said the armor just looks cool the weapons are bad even though d2 raid exotics and some weapons are better then d1 weapons the armor has the highest stat rolls in the game that’s the appeal that’s what they are

[@greensloth9671]

Emphasis on post sunset. They’ll only be good because all the good weapons are going 😂

[@steelkreel5742]

Julien Flores are you saying raid armor in D2 drops with the highest stat rolls? Because if so that’s not true at all.

[@greensloth9671]

Julien Flores ha, no

[@jeremiahjohns5258]

Looks like they're bring back the intrinsic perks for the weapons, even if they're different it's great. But we need them on the armor pieces too, having to slot in a mod isda shitty and doesn't feel satisfying at all. Also, maybe we could get armor set bonuses alongside armor piece intrinsic perks. - 2/5 equipped Kings Fall armor pieces could give a +20 reload speed after killing taken - 3/5 equipped Kings Fall armor pieces could give a +15% damage resistence to taken melee attacks - 4/5 equipped Kings Fall armor pieces could give a +40 mobility after being melee'd by a taken - 5/5 equipped Kings Fall armor pieces could give an effect that's comparable to an exotic armor piece (which is balanced, because obviously you can't equip one) Then you's have an intricsic perk unique to each specific piece (like increased speed while torn between dimensions on boots) on top of that. Obviously you'd have to balance it between things that help with in raid mechanics and things that can be handy everywhere else. There could even be multiple sets and intrinsic perk options per raid, and the hard mode gear could have enhanced perks so it's worth going for them.

[@jeremiahjohns5258]

Oh yeah, it;d be pretty cool if weapon mods were expanded on too. Maybe we could have 3 slots instead of one. Then we could have the option of increasing stats , increasing utility (full auto/radar stuff), improving perks (rampage/surrounded spec stuff), damage perks, mods that change the scopes/sights, and maybe even changing elements or even giving elements to our kinetic weapons.

[@Batuatron]

Sacred provenance, omniscient eye, ancient gospel, prophet of doom, nation of beasts, chattering bone and supremacy are all top tier raid weapons (from the raids that are relevant). I get that there’s no raid specific perk or anything but these weapons are good enough on there own. I’d like the return of the WoTM perk system because that was really unique and effective, Armor is no comparison tho

[@greensloth9671]

You missed the point of the video

[@Batuatron]

filthy weeb my point is the people that are willing to do raids week in and week out for loot are the same people that want best in class weapons and the ones I named are whether that be pvp or pve

[@Ascadex]

@@Batuatron Only few of those raid weapons have a slight edge over their non raid counterparts and in most cases it's only in pvp.

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

Chattering Bone is my favorite pulse rifle and I’ve been using it since Forsaken. Probably the only raid weapon I love in D2 and I got it without actually playing the Last Wish raid.

[@sunshotwithanornament2475]

I’m really glad this is actually finally getting addressed by bungie cause now raid loot from Deep stone crypt and the reprised VOG is actually worth getting and some of the best weapons in the game are there

[@Shifty2319]

I feel like destiny has downgraded since they released destiny two

[@rustyshackleford7271]

They made destiny 2 way to complicated. The best Destiny's ever been was the rise of iron days.

[@indianerjoners1533]

The only raid legendary I actually use regularly is Reckless Oracle, that thing is a beast.

[@beefboss4203]

recently the vow of the disciple weapons all seem pretty good apart from the exotic

[@Sumiori]

Laughs in DSC raid loot. But any other raid sucks hard

[@Forcer69]

Look on the bright side, all the D2 raid loot is atleast on par with the kingsfall loot. ;)

[@varunrajesh1028]

Yup

[@funny.gon-12]

Yhea there raid loot should be better but the vog loot was straight up bs overpowerd I dont want that again the plot should be balanced but maybe some perks should be pinnacle and raid exclusive.

[@nickmacias00]

@Qwerty Bastard except No D2 armor even compares to Kings fall armor, D2 raids don’t even compare to D1 raids in every aspect besides complexity

[@dgamelion3478]

@@nickmacias00 that's the nestolga talking

[@makaveliba4243]

Qwerty Bastard not really, D1 raid loot was miles ahead of D2 raid loot but to be honest Kings Fall and WOTM were kinda bad

[@baxtermike5093]

I think a problem is that bungie adjusted the difficulty to casual players to almost an extreme. In D1, raids were a must if you wanted to reach max power and light, not the case anymore. With the game being free to play, its almost like the game took a step away from its loyal fanbase to appeal to a larger audience. It’s hard to say. Destiny one was near perfect toward the end of its life cycle. And maybe that’s glamorizing it, but there really was just a different feel to the game. It had its issues-RNG used to be cruel, exotics were elusive and mysterious, and the difficulty was stacked against you. And maybe the problem isn’t that bungie changed the game, it’s that we kept asking them to. People got lazy, which is understandable, life happens and managing to pull together a Fireteam every week just isn’t feasible anymore. Maybe the game changed because we changed, and we kept bugging bungie to do it.

[@conjonsilver_]

Trials and crucible needed changing at the end of d1. Special system was boring. Pve wise, it was great. Farmable raid with ornaments from the actual raid in wotm and rotating raid playlist. Just minor changes were needed and here we are in y3 still wanting those changes becuase d2 is still worse than d1

[@TheRevsReturn]

>It had its issues- ...., exotics were elusive and mysterious Yea like they should be. It's literally in the name, *exotic.* It always felt amazing getting a super rare exotic drop in D1, but in D2 they feel so easy to obtain. The main reasons being Xur's fated engrams + stock + lack of strange coins as the currency, and also exotic quests are way more simple. I guess I'm alone here, but the easy accessibility to exotics in D2 is a huge part of why I don't play the game often anymore.

[@solenyamusic]

i like this.

[@solenyamusic]

Double Stubble agree finding an exotic in d1 used to make my week now it’s just a daily oh cool

[@baxtermike5093]

Double Stubble I agree. I liked destiny better when exotics were hidden, not everything was datamined weeks in advance, and when an exotic dropped, even when it was a duplicate, it felt exciting. But the whole reason bungie made them so easy to get was because people kept complaining about how annoying it was. Hindsight is always twenty twenty.

[@Pugular]

Destiny 2 exposed destiny’s biggest problem the gameplay loop and quality of content isn’t fun, people only play if the loot is good. And as soon as people have the loot they want they stop playing. This is why destiny always seems to have “content droughts” it’s because the content is only “fun” if it drops good loot.

[@arandomelite5448]

The thing that bugs me is bungie doesn't even need to add new perks to raid weapons we got good perks that arnt even being used aka pinnicle weapon perks. Imagine the breakneck 2.0 just add the rampage onslaight perks to a raid auto, or better yet mix and match the perks to other guns for unique rewards. imagine onslaught rampage pulse rifle, subsistence(the after kill auto reload from reserves perk) and the loaded question perk( if full magazine killed enemy explodes) to a shotgun, outlaw desperato to a scout rifle, the wendigos picking up orbs of light increase damage to ×6 except to a single shot of a rocket launcher, etc bungie just need to do it since let's face it if its op in a year it'll be unusable anyway.

[@angrytoaster4805]

Thing is, aside from looks, there is absolutely nothing that sets apart raid legendaries from regular legendaries. You can get the exact same rolls on both. Some curated rolls are good, but still not Remarkable. This has lead to running raids becoming shallow because the weapons aren’t worth going after. Because of this people only care about the raid exotic and exclusive items (SoTP sparrow, Luxurious toast, you get what I mean). I don’t feel hyped when I get a nation of beasts or a Transfiguration because it’s not “oh my god I know this weapon is amazing!” Instead it’s “is this alright or is this utter trash?”

[@NovemberHotel]

EXACTLY!

[@inFamous_Izanagi]

Great comment.

[@GrEEnF1Re1]

Nostalgia glasses are something amazing right NovemberHotel?

[@NovemberHotel]

Lmao another "nOsTaLgiA" argument 😂

[@dgamelion3478]

@Its Danny adventures are for new players to do not people who has everything.

[@diegopimentel4712]

November is my spirit animal lol. I haven't felt so identified with all my D2 frustrations but November...you really do nail every single one of them man. I went back to D1 a few weeks ago and ran a King's fall raid for the harrowed set pieces with ornaments, man it was so much fun. The detail that went in for the perks for those sets, it's not huge but the fact that they even thought about those to "ease" future raid runs for raiders was great!! I would rather have people at Bungie "REPLAY" D1 from top to bottom. Only then will they remember what made that game great. I never ever once forced myself to play D1 to catch up or to avoid "missing an event", but on D2...the power grind was just annoying. Or even scaling tiers of the Season pass to get the loot, not good times 🙃. Keep going man, love your videos and the effort you put into them. You really are a Destiny fan and I hope people at Bungo get your message, cause you my friend need to be heard ASAP .

[@NovemberHotel]

Thank you dude. I appreciate the support and kind words. I truly love this game and I'm saddened to see how far it's fallen

[@jasonj5292]

I literally got the 1k on my first ever run like a year ago so i never did that raid again lol

[@onyonrong9244]

I think an interesting weapon perk combo would be demolitionist and osmosis. Essentially turns your kinetic weapon into an elemental weapon with higher grenade uptime.

[@mixxur]

I personally like the idea of being able to apply raid mods on whatever armor I already have, so I don't feel "forced" to wear an outfit I don't like for a particular engagement! I want my Guardian to always look like *my* Guardian.

[@benjaminkorhum5068]

The only point I disagree with you is with regard to the mods. I love this mod system as it offers great flexibility and allows us to built our character in a really personal way. And I do not mind farming for mods. Apart of that, as I said, I agree with everything else, especially the part about the best gear should come from the raids (although I rarely do raids as I do not have often the time to spend on gaming).

[@stealthhunter6998]

Threat level, ancient gospel, GoS pulse and sniper r good for different things, supremacy.

[@conjonsilver_]

No one uses them over mountaintop and relcuse thats why they are getting sunsetted. If they had perks that were useful for their raids, they would actually be used

[@stealthhunter6998]

@@conjonsilver_ Yeah Ik. Mountaintop recluse r guns that take the difficulty out of any game mode thank God they're going. It makes the game so boring.

[@allanard5804]

There have been a very selecet few of raid weapons with "unique" perks. As far as I know the scourge scout is still the only one to roll box breathing.

[@onyonrong9244]

And that scout happens to be one of my favorite weapons in PvP because of box breathing lol

[@Agent_Nick_5000]

Can't lie I've had a rapid hit rampage scout and it's a tool wepon only used during 1st soto and cheese gate lord nick nightmare and it's been a very good service, more than I give credit but just can never get it to drop, had 2 season of just fusion but I wanted rapid kill with armour

[@helix7398]

Don't forget the GoS Pulse is the only Pulse rifle with rapid hit

[@atheon-]

for me, it should be a mix between mods and perks, like weapon and armor combinations do different stuff, like, every raid armor can deop with a specific symbol, if you have a fullset of a raid armor it would give a perk that is directly based on the symbol that the other peices have, like, if you get a certain combination with GoS armor, it could slowly generate a overshield wile pressing the trigger with divinity, or the chance of dropping ammo for the GoS weapons equipped is higher, like giving exotic rolls to fullsets of raids, that would be cool

[@Titaneiko]

I only hear about Nation of Beasts and Sacred Provenance. Edit: Dont forget that Sacred Provenance is the only pulse rifle that can roll with rapid hit!

[@conjonsilver_]

Not even a good weapon in current sandbox tho and hasn't been since it came out and that is the issue. It needs more to be good

[@Titaneiko]

Conjon Silver What? I love my rapid hit sacred provenance more than my god roll blast furnace. It does really well!

[@conjonsilver_]

@@Titaneiko last hope, recluse, ikelos smg, ikelos sidearm are better but use what you like to use

[@chrisn3819]

2 points; 1) my curated nation of beasts is a monster. 2) raid mods absolutely shit on destiny 1 raid perks because most of those raid perks were only useful in that raid. The D2 mods are useful in any activity with those mods equipped. Taken/fallen/hive - barrier - pretty damn useful. - invigoration - ok this one is meh - armaments - shits on all D1 raid perks - repurposing - awesome...you could literally build a load out around this mod. - Spec (taken) - amazing mod. You’re pretending these perks are non existent because why? You like D1 better? That’s fine bro...but you don’t have to misinform.

[@Agent_Nick_5000]

I'm just saying try solo flawless prophecy without taken mods or outbreak, or pit , or shattered Gone are the nightmare of my past where I genuinely had a better chance FOR A FUCKING EXOTIC NOT DUPLICATING than getting a single God daym heavy brick for my whisper last week before forsaken doing a solo carry whilst 20 light below and having double primary in the og wisper quest

[@Agent_Nick_5000]

The Leaprachaun because his brand is nostalgia and as d1 has better parts d2 has far out grow d1 We have a better armour system, fantastically rewarding night nightfalls better visuals, more platform, custom controls allowing me to change my slide and crouch literally gave me an extra 1.0 kd and so many more things even infusion

[@chrisn3819]

Agent_nick _5000 who said I haven’t? Who said I didn’t? Cus I have...except for the year one whisper solo. Your statement doesn’t invalidate my point, nor does it strengthen his.

[@slayye5677]

The Leaprachaun ikr

[@slayye5677]

Agent_nick _5000 yup it’s pretty sad

[@LilSpookyyy]

Ffs I wish bungie saw this

[@ANGERINSIDE]

I played Destiny 1 from year 1 till year 3 and did everything and loved doing the Raids weekly to get all the armor sets and weapons cause not only did they look cool they were strong and had good perks. I started Destiny 2 about 2 months ago when I saw it was free and I gotta say I had no motivation to play anything high end more then once cause the armor and weapons didn’t wow me at all so instead of the armor or weapons be the motivation of grinding I decided to try and platinum the game which I did in less then a month. I did all the Raids and after the first clear of each I saw no motivation to start it again unless it was to help a friend or maybe cause of a weapon quest like Divinity where I had to do Garden Of Salvation again. But there are just no cool weapons or armor in Raids like it was in D1

[@breadpitto9688]

Well technically raid armor do have certain unique traits that makes them different from other raid/world drop armor the. For example only opulent/leviatan armor allows u to use opulent mods (giving hand/hive mods). Which makes leviathan much easier. Same can be said with armor from garden, scourge and last wish. So in other words they do not have unique intrinsic bonuses initially. But u can add the bonuses through the specialized mods for the corresponding armor. But i do agree with raid weapons being boring and pretty much no different to world drops. TLDR: raid armor dont have unique initial traits. But u can add these unique traits through mods

[@conjonsilver_]

Intrinsic perks>mods. The only mods fromraids that actually are good and important for the raids are the armaments mods and enhanced relay defender. No other mod matters bevuase the raids are too easy. Even armaments isn't needed but is nice to spam heavy everywhere

[@simonlarsson1828]

The issue with d1 raid weapons atleast is when you recive a weapon with a fixed roll thats basicly it. So when you got all the guns why keep running it? But I dont understand why d2 raid weapons doesnt have something extra for the raid they come from.

[@thegymteachersgrandma]

ok the loot isn't the best. But those little thinks from d1 aren't the best too tho. I mean it's better then nothing, ngl but I wouldn't grind hard just to get this tiny little buff. Raid loot should be endgame loot, for example in nightfalls, lost sectors and so on maybe you get another mod slot in which you can always put any damage resistance mod. Weapon wise for example all raid weapons come with interruption/shield piercing and so on. While not used against champions those weapons would have a chance of slowing down an enemy for a moment dunno. somethin like that

[@Frankymack1]

When I try to tell these things a lot people think I sound like a hater because I tell them a lot of the problems in D2 is from big streamer feedback. For example raid mods and comp pinnacle weapons were two pvp streamers ideas in the first bungie summit. There’s a reason why we got armor 2.0

[@tomanderson3707]

Tbh though... armour system is a lot better in D2. Plus mods make it easier to make all armour good

[@windmill4581]

Yeah and that’s the point raids are useless in d2 becuase you can get good loot and max power from literally playing strikes

[@raularellanes4101]

I disagree, I used to have multiple top tier sets of armor for multiple play styles at the end of d1. How many perfect sets do you have in d2.

[@valzicplayz3845]

I don't do raids in Destiny 2 unless someone needs help and till this day I still delete every gear or weapon unless it has good stats (rare)...or high light level

[@jobapplication7110]

I feel like bungie started downgrading the raids because they’re so blinded by puzzles that it makes the the raid boring. the raids in destiny 2 is just puzzles with some mini bosses but the only raids with multiple bosses is last wish and gos hopefully they start making the raids more fun and have more fun mechanics just like vog or ce or kings fall and wotm

[@Gotexan]

Loved the vid, though I do disagree on the mods point. The armor 2.0 grind and raid mods system is fun to me, but that's just personal preference

[@mightbeahumanmaybe247]

I agree with you but I do think that raid armour needs to look a Bit cooler. Maybe a trials like aura if you've done the raid that week

[@brandonhill9494]

Counterpoint to "why run the raid" is once you got Fatebringer... you had Fatebringer. No other rolls. So same as Midnight Coup. To me best solution is one dope/unique curated roll (like WotM weapons) while also having random rolls. Way more replayability imo. Definitely would like to see an intrinsic raid perk (oracle disruptor, will of light) *in addition to mods* as well.

[@brandonhill9494]

Ditto for armor. Intrinsic raid perk PLUS mods.

[@lefloch9983]

Terrabah is actually pretty good. It just got outclassed by other SMG's at the time of its release, 'cough cough' *Recluse*

[@Agent_Nick_5000]

The Meaty Clangles teraba is on par with risk runner and huckleberry, you can melt a boss in 50 bullets and it only a primary, just wish it would keep charge when stowed

[@evidant]

In my opinion, I think D2 armor should be like the Reckoning Gambit Prime armor where the more pieces of the set you equip, the more bonuses you get. Like let's say the Last Wish armor had 5 tiers, and here I'll list ideas. Tier 1, Awoken Grunt - You deal more damage to cannon fodder ads like Thrall, Acolytes, Goblins, etc. Tier 2, Queen's Guard - Picking up a Eye of Riven's ball will give you a 0.5x overshield. Tier 3, Fresh Start - Resetting Shuro Chi's song refills your special and primary ammo. Tier 4, Awoken Knight - You deal more damage to Taken Majors like Knights, Captains, Ogres, etc. Tier 5, Dragon's Will - After killing Riven and starting the Queenswalk encounter, your Heart of Riven timer will be increased to 20 seconds. Or one with Scourge of the Past. Tier 1, House Raiser - Picking up a Radiant Battery will grant a small speed and jump height boost. Tier 2, Shipwright - Your sparrow's cooldown is 25% faster. Tier 3, Electrician - The Ionized debuff is lowered by 15 seconds. Getting the Tether debuff by another player will let you take less damage. Tier 4, Lone Wolf - Breaking a Berserker's shield alone will give you a 1.5x overshield. Tier 5, Kellscatterer - Berserkers will never teleport around you.

[@s.jamesghee]

I think a fix to this COULD* be making all class of weapon matter; meaning common, uncommon, rare, legendary, exotic. I remember my VERY first NF in D1, I needed a single “purple” piece to either equip or dismantle or parts and Legendary items were relatively “difficult” to come by. Today, it RAINS loot.

[@SPAC3H3R0]

THANK YOU THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS

[@savvaman2335]

I thinks your caps lock is stuck

[@SPAC3H3R0]

Savvaman no I’m mobile

[@killadrill]

OOOO what happened to destiny? Destiny 1 good perfect

[@outlaw7286]

Wait the mod system is bad? I think it’s great

[@tuluppampam]

The mod system isn't great but allows lots of freedom You lose some capability but you get less grind

[@outlaw7286]

Yorkshire tea guardian, also brit I mean in my humble opinion it’s great, less grind but still think it’s good

[@shittydildo3939]

At first, I was overwhelmed by the nice graphics and awesome gun play. "This is triple a quality" I thought. I was very happy, because I was looking for an FPS that impresses me for a long time. Sadly, it got boring for me pretty fast. I'm now 8 hours in, but even after 4 hours I thought "hm, that's it?". I feel like I'm just going around and shoot those Aliens at this point. I mean, shooting aliens is fun, but only for so long. It got repetitive really fast and every time I play, it is less fun. But it's free, so it's worth the download.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

Do some strikes, black armory forges, Osiris campaign, or crucible.

[@plee8147]

I agree on most of ur opinions but I think for destiny 2 raid armour has an exclusive perk slot where u wont be able to otherwise equipped on other legendary drop. For example, last wish armour allows players to equip enemy mods (Taken barrier, taken repurposing, taken invigoration and taken arnaments ). These mods in my opinions are really good to use especially in end game activities. Different raid armor will allow different enemy mods to be used. So to the destiny 2 armour credit, they do have some purposes.

[@Adam.Clark.]

One of the D2 rate items that you forgot that can be pretty good is the garden pulse, because it's one of the few that can work with rapid hit

[@HowdyHowdy_]

I started playing in Shadowkeep, and it was clear then and clear now, that the best gear come from the season pass. Very disappointed.

[@kyro9763]

No, not really

[@HowdyHowdy_]

@@kyro9763 I mean this season is a great example. A really strong Pulse that can compete in the Age of Auto's, a kinetic blight grenade launcher that's infinitely easier to obtain than Anarchy, a sword that uprooted the pve power weapon meta that puts nearly all other swords to shame, and a full set of mid 60 stat armor with mod slots for Worthy, Arrival and next seasons mods, all obtained from bounty grinding to level up the season pass as guaranteed rewards without the rng of raid grinding or the challenge of a questline.

[@kyro9763]

@@HowdyHowdy_ yeah but the ways you said it you not only talk about the weapon in the pass which btw they suck hard but the armor are shit too is not becaue they are 63 they good you need to farm good one and the umbral armor are trash other then the sword nothing else is op

[@kyro9763]

@@HowdyHowdy_ that why im saying you're wrong if you want good armor stat you need to farm it same for the weapon (other then the exo)

[@Agent_Nick_5000]

HowdyHowdy idk what your on about but 60 stat is just passing trash, GOS has dropped the most POG stats ever Levi last wish and iron banner My Titan is a FUCKNG pvp nightmare for those who can't move

[@loganj2239]

The raid loot is overall pretty equivalent across D1 and D2. With the exception of VOG, all the other raids only had a couple good weapons and then fell off from there. I do agree on the uniqueness factor though, the raid weapons in D1 actually had more utilility in certain situations. But in terms of armor, D2 blows D1 out of the water, especially in raids. The armor mod system is extremely useful, and the rolls system makes it just a bit easier to get god roll armor. I never once found that raid armor in D1 changed my playing experience significantly. But in D2 it can make the raid significantly easier, as well as other activities in the case of the Hive and Taken mods. That being said, D1 was a better experience, and allowed a wider variety of weapons to be used across PvP and pve while maintaining the level of fun and not requiring too much setup. You could port the weapons from the D1 raids into D2 and they would almost certainly never be used with the exception of Fatebringer and Terminus.

[@irespectmuzik]

I’d use the weapons from the Crota raid/strike.

[@jyntrq]

Even though these are good points you kind of just sound like a gamer dad who just hates everything about Destiny 2 and just wants a full remaster of D1

[@conjonsilver_]

Well look at trials. D2 system has and is terrible since d2 launched. Everyone prefers d1 system. They try to not copy it but eventually they will because it is better. This should be the same for raids. Specific perks to them that make them better than other wrpaons from other activities

[@ryanmattioli9790]

Conjon Silver you don’t get it every good perk in d1 is on every weapon in d2 but it comes down to the sand box why use that on pve if I have mountaintop recluse or in pvp where I have suros spare thorn beloved etc that’s why sunsetting is a thing it’s hard to make raid loot better then some of this things without breaking the game look now every one wants a supremecy and omniscient eye to replace there revocker beloved people have to notice this

[@conjonsilver_]

@@ryanmattioli9790 if the weapons intrinsically was better Sotherton activity they come from, then they would be used more. Example, ex machina has 3 in mag and gets 4 when emptying the mag after reloading. Pretty bad perk. But it also does increased damage to fallen. But in d1 that is one of the best secondary snipers you can use. Chaos dogma. Triple tap but better and only that gun has it. Again, does more damage to fallen. So you use that over other random legendary scouts. D2 needs those kinds of perks to make them useful in their intended and specific activities

[@Robj4y]

I loved the suspension you got when you went to pick up your raid loot drops through engrams or a chest.

[@nat040496]

The Leviathan raid armor does have unique perks. But yeah, those are exclusive to a set that's basically worthless outside of the Leviathan.

[@kylenader7276]

Yes raid armor and weapons should have an intrinsic raid perk built into them, it would give them a lot more depth and meaning. It’s so underwhelming just getting armor or weapons that don’t have that, except for the mod but that armor should feel unique in the raid and out of the raid. They also need to bring hard mode raids

[@MoonHowler340]

Now I don't feel guilty because I avoided raids in D2.

[@owennorkett6670]

7:27 what gun is the titan holding? i don’t know if i’ve seen that one before...

[@rosypoppy1213]

Lord of Wolves with ornament

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

Yep thats what i am seeing as well. Finished wish raid. Got blue trash parts. I also keep getting screens when i start the game about me not getting not getting brite dust for solstice. One of the reason i ended up deleting the entire event. After seeing the helm and gauntlets it was all cheese. Fun game but the reward system is super weak.

[@somebody7205]

Weapons is one thing. But I really hate that raid armor didn't had raid perks specifically for that raid. I really loved that part in raid gear

[@venom74799]

I miss the vision of confluence so much. So many good times in VOG and the Crota raid. Every release just kept getting worse and worse with the nerfing of weapons and chasing items just to kill them off in a few months. I retired from the game about a year and a half ago hoping bungie restores some of the glory days, but they have completely lost there touch and I don’t plan to return.

[@thephoenix8892]

The modding system in destiny 2 is counterintuitive in my opinion, especially for armor. Adding a major spec to weapons is fine, but raid mods and such basically take away the whole point of getting raid loot, other than their appearance. I remember always switching to my raid armor for whatever raid I was running, whether it was the wrath gauntlets for increased heavy spawn or whatever.

[@e1iteyoshi998]

I should remind some that you can get raid loot from the Last Wish raid solo 3x a week by using one of the wishes to teleport to one of the encounters where you can find a hidden treasure chest. Granted you're relying on RNG to get this done but hey at least you got access to loot.

[@oldfredd3773]

....cries in threat level

[@houseofonion6959]

Year one d2 raid weapons had a bonus perk usually so that was a good step, but now with random rolls legendary raid weapons can’t really be special

[@s.jamesghee]

I would love if Bungo introduced elemental/non elemental versions of the same weapon in the primary and secondary slot.

[@txl420]

ive been tryna get omniscient eye, but whats the point. widows bite is good enough and much easier to get, plus theres a new beloved replacement called "the adored" coming next season anyway. i dont want to get a load of ancient gospels that im never going to use

[@AbsoluteAzure]

Fun the first few times but gets tedious later on, only 2 things I’m doin’ raids for now is a good roll on the pulse from Garden and Curated Nation from LW

[@tuluppampam]

The pulse is really good with rapid hit and (I think) kill clip Nation of beast isn't a must have and you could use something else now but with beyond light I think it's the best option

[@regicive]

I agree with the fact that raid weapons should be worth the title of raid weapons, but saying that raid armour just is not a viable point to make. Raid armour mods let's players extremely customize their loadouts to that which works for what they play. Ex: You want to try to solo the new dungeon and want to have an edge on the enemies. You can equip both taken And hive barrier while also equipping taken armaments. You want players to have options and not have a "MUST HAVE FATEBRINGER G-HORN"

[@Chris-iq5pr]

The only good raid loot in D2 is from Vog which says a lot

[@csnation]

Raid mods for armor imo are a good compromise since you still the armor and mods to equip them (like taken mods need great hunt armor to equip). But I agree raid weapons should also have rare perk combinations like how Pinnacles and Ritual weapons have. Though sadly Rituals and Pinnacles are going the way of the dodo, so I doubt we will see those combinations on raids weapons too.

[@legoman81020]

My friend keeps on doing nothing but raids and invites me to help. Everytime I ask him "Why should I do a raid there is nothing to get out of it." He never fails to reply with "But the pinnacle drop" and nothing else. The only raid I an willing to run is Scourge and that's only cuz i dont have anarchy. They're no longer worth unless you're going for the raid exotics. Its boring.

[@Sage16226]

The omniscient eye is the only raid weapon that's hot in PVP now because of beloved sunsetting.

[@nicksocci2178]

What about supremacy

[@Sage16226]

@@nicksocci2178 Yup that too

[@niekvanderkam]

problem with D2 raid loot is, the weapons are randomly rolled. You can complete a raid getting trash rolls only. Not very memorable and only unique by the looks of them, not by their function or power. The best solution is exactly how they did it with trials weapons and Kings Fall weapons: make the last perk a random one between 4~6 very useful perks

[@Super-Soldiers]

The kings fall lmg had the most unique perk for a legendary as in that you can have a healing peak, something exclusive to an exotic.

[@surosregime7777]

I think the raid hand cannon has that perk (life leech) as well.

[@TimelostInTheSauce]

6:07 oi oi oi hey the year 1 levi gear actually has Special perks that aren't mods and come with the armor and trigger in the leviathan like Striking Hand and others i can't remember at the moment

[@MegaInsaneMC]

Unfortunately Y1 levi armour isn't good stats wise and it's perks are all mods now

[@TimelostInTheSauce]

@@MegaInsaneMC they are? Oof..

[@DoubleOFourtyThree]

Recently with origin perks and adepts this problem is getting a lot easier to stomach. It’s also good to remember that raids aren’t the only difficult endgame activity anymore, there’s trials and grandmaster nightfalls too. And hell, nightfalls had some pretty busted loot that overshadowed raid loot back in D1 too. That game isn’t as perfect as people remember it being

[@freitasmano1]

100% agree, it’s stupid that someone that does 3 strikes gets the same powerful gear as someone that done the raid

[@bigcornstarch5378]

I think we may be getting a new social space on Europa with the Stranger, Eris, and the Drifter, similar to what the Vestian Outpost was. Also, would love a season where we rebuild the old tower, and even expand it. Also, what if they brought back the Red Death as a Festival of the Lost Exotic, but it came in a Blood Red Engram!

[@rorybanks2223]

There are still some (not enough) really good raid weapons. Supremacy, nation of beasts, sacred provenance, tyranny of heaven (for a bow), midnight coup, inaugural address. And the raid exotics which are all amazing, in design and functionality (except maybe tarraba). All these weapons were either top tier or very solid at some point in the game

[@Tesla7]

I agree 100%, I also wish that world legendaries were more rare. It would give rares an actual reason to exist

[@kazkenobi5658]

It was a different time, I would like to see a return of raid perks but I'm not bothered about primary burns. There is still the issue of what now? Once you get the god gun, if the raid if fun then it doesn't matter

[@Falcon5698]

I agree that raid weapons are lacking. BUT Levi weapons were made a lil different and better than normal weapons. They had 2 good perks while most legendaries would only roll with one. So like the inaugural address and midnight coup. They could run with rampage/Killclip with outlaw while most normal legendary at the time would only come with just outlaw or just rampage and were still static rolls not random. So durning year 1 some of the raid weapons were really good compared to normal legendaries. During one of the year 1 updates they also added raid mods that would boost certain abilities or damage if you were doing any Levi raid. So that 1st year or 2 the armor and weapons were worth the grind. You'd be correct with the latest raids, not much of note has come from them

[@mbkillertv6369]

Issue is it’s not just that the raid loot sucks... The issue that ANNOYS ME is that the Loot pool is Massive Which causes people to be frustrated since the weapon they want barely ever drops. BUNGIE NEEDS TO MAKE A HEROIC RAID “Not Prestige” in which the other half of the raid loot goes to the heroic raid same way as people try grinding for Ex machina on Heroic WOTM not on the Normal WOTM since it didn’t dropped there on top of that the armor had a different style on both counter parts which made raiding for me more intriguing.

[@djdyls3101]

1:45. I mean scourge guns have that thing for radiance but that’s only a damage buff in forges :(

[@zacharykyffin4770]

Another point from me personally: Raids in D2 feel significantly easier; I play with friends in D2 and almost every time we do, someone is always able to do 2 things at once while telling another person to just sit in the corner doing nothing. In D1 I felt that every raid had everyone fill out an extremely vital role for the encounters and left no one out at all but nowadays they just feel like something you'd do in the background.

[@kyuro64]

Did you ever do Riven legit?

[@zacharykyffin4770]

@@kyuro64 oh hell yeah, Last wish is the exception

[@brucehc4975]

I just realised something with the WoTM weapons. Their already existing weapons covered in SIVA right, and their perks are already existing ones but made better right. The perks have been [PERFECTED]. How could we not see this before, there was this metaphor and no one saw it.

[@julianquintana400]

I hoped for real raid armor when garden happened but it was destroyed by being able to slot a mod instead of it being part of the armor. They could've just put Enhanced/normal relay defender on a single piece of armor and the rest of the mods in other pieces or armor as well.

[@007TheLife]

Raid loot got dumbed down because most people never run them. Way back in Destiny Year 1, you could only hit max light level if you run the raid. The only way to get elemental primaries like Fatebringer was to run the raid. Now you can reach max power and get good loot without ever stepping foot in the Raid. I'll run the Raid once for the hell of it and move on. Why waste time on LFG when I can sill reach max power and get good loot without doing the Raid?

[@boozlebam7383]

Didn’t notice you uploaded and I’m 2 hours late :( _29th August 2020_

[@NovemberHotel]

welcome my friend