Now Super Etendards for Ukraine!

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[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

I was just thinking about doing a Forgotten Aircraft on this as well!

[@davidellis2021]

That would be good to see, especially after the navalised Jaguar.

[@maciek_k.cichon]

@@davidellis2021 My thought exactly!

[@hullutsuhna]

this just in: half of the World is donating 'slightly used' F-5s to Ukraine! "sure, the plane may be a bit long in the tooth, but Ukraine is about to get three hundred of them, that has to count for something!" (I am joking of course)

[@emaheiwa8174]

It would be nice, this one and the Jaguar

[@doolittlegeorge]

Russia basically still has zero Air Force having been forced to launch from great distances glide bombs and the like. In the meantime Ukraine continues to build an absolutely lethal Air Force that operates inside Ukraine and has proven an ability to strike anywhere in Western Russia that they want at any time and with incredible accuracy. Sending in an Aircraft designed for work off of an aircraft carrier which to my knowledge Argentina never had the latter...if this report be true and not part of a disinformation campaign as there is no source noted in the report...but again if true this is a very robust built is used as land based...and a fairly straightforward single engine design delta wing. Definitely made to carry an advanced payload and has shown effectiveness in the past too absolutely. Still standing up F-16 work for all of Eastern Europe remains a game changer as indeed there are so many of them and still an in production Air frame engine load out etc. "By the book" this will be the combat debut of the F-16 as well so certainly Lockheed Martin has an interest in seeing great success...as do all those who employ the F-16 in their work. Great Britain and Germany have Tornado Fighter Bombers as well...an even more proven platform for war fighting and certainly more proven than anything all of Russia has although #irony in the hands of Ukraine near all former USSR equipment has proven incredibly effective actually. If this "Jerry Rigged" approach continues to work as so far has been beyond belief true then next up after this would be combat helicopters for Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe. US Vietnam War Era equipment has proven itself very well in this conflict two Years running now but of course the UH-1 Iroquois still has yet to make an appearance...and that has a "Viper" variant just like the F-16 as well/too.

[@8ballentertainment.885]

The Ukrainian tech tree in war thunder gonna be wild

[@thiagoemotta]

Underrated comment. LMAO

[@hullutsuhna]

here's a thought: Gaijin could make the Ukrainian tech tree an all-premium craft -one & donate half of the income from each purchased plane/tank to Ukraine.

[@festungkurland9804]

lol

[@emaheiwa8174]

😂😂

[@thiagoemotta]

@@hullutsuhna HALF? Gaijin? Lol

[@traumgeist]

The war in Ukraine is slowly becoming indistinguishable from a Mad Max movie.

[@Decoy0527]

How right you are !! And, I will add, it's all a bit scary.

[@J-M-F-8]

This will be the Area 88 anime Air Force eventually.

[@emaheiwa8174]

😎👌🏼

[@wlpaul4]

This comment has a very narrow target audience. But within that target audience: it absolutely slays.

[@米空軍パイロット]

​@@wlpaul4The venn diagram between Ed Nash and Area 88 fans may overlap quite a bit

[@Tigershark_3082]

Damn, was about to make a joke about that myself but was beaten to the punch

[@autofox1744]

F-8s for Ukraine when

[@admiraltiberius1989]

The Ukrainian supply, logistics department must be an utter hellscape to work in right now. But beggars can't be choosers.

[@bigblue6917]

Ukrainian Supply Logistics: What! Their sending what!? When's the WW1 biplanes arriving?

[@cz1589]

@@bigblue6917 Sold out. I guess Moscow got their hands on those first. As precaution after losing a Su-57. Their forces tend do downgrade during years of war , while UA seems to upgrade.

[@jlvfr]

Go check the Indian Air force... they are _down_ to 7 diferent fighters and 11 diferent transports...

[@admiraltiberius1989]

@@jlvfr that's freaking amazing and absolutely terrifying at the same time.

[@jlvfr]

@@admiraltiberius1989 yeah, specially when you see the mix of countries of origin and generations...

[@MrHws5mp]

If these are the same five aircraft that Argentine received in 2017, then they aren't as dated as they look. They're Super Etendard Modernisés with Anemone radar, INS/GPS, targeting pod and laser-guided bombs. Argentine could never operate them properly because they couldn't get UK-built spares for the Martin-Baker ejection seats.

[@1BigBen]

cherrypicked of the Standard 5 (last update that they got) planes numbers 1, 31, 41, 44 and 51 with rest left at EAR 279 and most likely tasted in 2022 from the little info I can find in the last hours except of used it as trainer and bubby tankers with only 5 maybe with a new "Standard 6" "F110-GE-100/400" swap in *** Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.18 in) DEFA 552 cannons with 125 point 1 2xY-pylon AIM-9 Sidewinder point 2 Barracuda jammer point 3 Terma Archange ** point 4 scalp/storm shadow 1300kg point 5 Terma Terma Archange point 6 Barracuda jammer ** point 7 2xY-pylon AIM-9 Sidewinder Archange ** Modular Aircraft Survivability Equipment The system consists of a Terma ALQ-213 Electronics Warfare Management System (EWMS), the Missile Warning System (MWS), and the Countermeasures Dispensing System (CMDS) ***5,900 mm long Atar 9C engine

[@bruno89245]

The new Is false, there were never plans abot the etedard to Ukraine. And the entendard has More problems not only the SEAT, the explosives are expired and i Heard about 3 etendard with damaged ¿Hull?

[@cabanford]

The Argentine president looks like he's straight from a 70s UK sitcom.

[@vascoribeiro69]

Faulty Towers 🤣

[@cabanford]

@@vascoribeiro69 Am I wrong? Even the colours on the video look 50 years old...

[@vascoribeiro69]

@@cabanford you are right. Or even from a Monty Python scketch

[@cabanford]

@@vascoribeiro69 he has to prove his utter silliness before I shall even consider adding The Mark of the Python to this man...

[@ALV694]

He does take advice from his dead dog

[@tachikomakusanagi3744]

I had to double check it wasn't April 1st.

[@benholroyd5221]

0:33 They certainly have some amazing hair in Argentina

[@tareksaleh3259]

The guy in the left is Milei (president) but the guy in the right is Bayly, a peruvian political commentator. Hope that helps.

[@benholroyd5221]

@@tareksaleh3259 I'd rather know who their hair stylists are.

[@yes_head]

@@benholroyd5221 They HAVE hair sylists? 😳

[@sarkybugger5009]

@@tareksaleh3259 The Peruvian equivalent of Michael Fabricant.

[@davidpope3943]

What on earth is the point? The amount of work required to get these airworthy and remotely suitable for the modern battlefield plus all the extraneous agencies necessary input is ludicrous. All for 5 obsolete planes ‘in storage’. Sheesh…..

[@paulosabib]

@@toqtoq3361 He is offering a deal, stupid is who accepts it if it's that bad, being it Macron or Ukraine...

[@chefchaudard3580]

@@pierauspitz there ARE SEM : it is in fact 5 aircrafts that were sold to Argentina in 2018. They could not use them because they lacked the ejection seats (Martin Baker, British embargo)

[@pierauspitz]

@@chefchaudard3580 Yep, I removed my comment as I wrote it before I had the full picture. ;)

[@MrBao-yt7bk]

​@@toqtoq3361it's not an instead/or deal though, using your example Ukraine would get the Ford AND the Volvo.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

The point is Argentina trying to get some new, useful aircraft for free from the west in exchange for the west dealing with their old junk airframes. It's a scam.

[@jlvfr]

The SE is old but, by the time it was retired, it was fully capable of flying by night and dropping guided weapons... so maybe not that useless...

[@alan-sk7ky]

But I suspect not the Argentinian airframes.

[@GregStachowski]

@@alan-sk7ky If they're offering 5 these are could be the 5 modernised M variants which they received in 2017.

[@jlvfr]

@@alan-sk7ky no, definetly not. Those would be spare sources, I think.

[@salemsaberhagen8926]

@@GregStachowski Yes, they are the modernized airframes bought from France in 2017.

[@PasleyAviationPhotography]

This is like when my neighbor revealed they had no food, so I dug through the fridge and cabinets giving them all the extra stuff I had. They left with a bunch of cream corn and pumpkin pie filling and while it technically is food its not exactly what they need.

[@米空軍パイロット]

Those kinds of people are bad at taking care of themselves in every conceivable fashion. Bad finances, starving, yet overweight. A cheap house on wheels and 5 rusting cars on bricks. And their messy ass house always smells of cigarettes and sweat.

[@hinz1]

Switzerland might have a few Hawker Hunters in some museum, somewhere....

[@GaryJohnWalker1]

Will 'Exocet' return as a near everyday term as was in the mid 80s?

[@JZsBFF]

Sure it's only that it's now translated as "STORM SHADOW".

[@pissoffcake]

@@JZsBFF exocet is a medium weight sea skimming anti-ship missile, storm shadow is a heavy cruise missile. The equivalent of the exocet would rather be the sea eagle, although they have significantly different ranges and explosive charges

[@trevortrevortsr2]

The Brits have 27 Spitfires!

[@caracallaavg]

They'd make mince out of all the shahed and orlan drones

[@chriscunnane7596]

What about SPADS

[@EffequalsMA]

Getting to be a bit like the Chinese air force in the 1930s. A bunch of random types in small quantities, with all the headaches for maintenance, training, deployment that brings.

[@TheLAGopher]

I would say more like the Israeli airforce of the late 1960s through mid 1970s which flew both US and French jets.

[@EffequalsMA]

@@TheLAGopher ....or the Israeli Air Force in 1948, flying Spits, Czech 109s, Beufighters, P51s and Mosquitos. Also them making knock-off Mirages in the 60s and 70s, the Nesher and Kfir as well.

[@kkang2828]

@@EffequalsMA Or the Finns in the Winter War and Continuation War.

[@EffequalsMA]

@@kkang2828 Yeah, making the Brewster Buffalo bad ass....

[@AndrewTubbiolo]

If there's a stock of Exocet missiles this will be worth it. Also the SE could augment the Su-24 as a platform for super sonic bomb tossing for long range.

[@chefchaudard3580]

Thé SE is subsonic only…

[@AndrewTubbiolo]

@@chefchaudard3580 Ohhh, thanks. I assumed with that huge wing sweep, it being cold war era and small that it could make mach speeds.

[@chefchaudard3580]

@@AndrewTubbiolo now, a strike aircraft does not need to be supersonic : most aircrafts, even modern multi role ones, are not when used in that role. That’s the reason why the SE was not. But we talk of 5 aircraft’s only…

[@Tod_oMal]

Bad memories for the Royal Navy...

[@jetaddicted]

Frenchman’s take: Five SEMs won’t do much. They’re specialized (sort of) in anti ship warfare and the black sea fleet is already pretty much toast. It will add maintenance struggles (micro fleet of aging birds having had only two users (plus Irak but these were loaned) therefore few spares to find.

[@pierauspitz]

Argentina bought 5, freshly retired, latest models from France in 2017, and you seem to forget its precision ammunition capability when using the DAMOCLES pod... It's a pretty competent attack aircraft on its own. As far as spare parts are concerned, there are still plentiful in France, and 5 aircrafts may not be such an enormous logistical burden to sustain (especially when you consider those Argentinian aircrafts are still virtually "in the wrapper" as they could not use them due to lack of ejector seat parts ( the seats are British Martin-Baker, and a British embargo blocked them from acquiring ejector charges. Silly isn't it?), and came with 10 spare engines...

[@gwtpictgwtpict4214]

@@pierauspitz It's a brand new (to Ukraine) aircraft type which will require it's own logistics chain, specially trained ground crews, type conversion training for pilots, the list just goes on. It is an enormous logistical burden and it's just not worth it for five obsolete airframes.

[@pierauspitz]

​@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Well... yes, BUT: -Ukrainian pilots (and I guess mechanics) are already in training in France... Pilots are not starting on Mirage 2000 right away, and do follow standard French cursus. Diverting some of these folks to SEM is not as difficult as one may imagine. -Mirage 2000-5 is an air superiority (or air defence, as you prefer) fighter. In France, their pilots are the best of the best, and train enormously. I cannot imagine Ukrainian pilots receiving degraded training for it, it's a question of national prestige. On the other hand, while very involved too, making a non-naval, SEM pilot for anti-ship and ground strikes is probably much less time and resource-demanding. -"five obsolete airframes" we are not talking about Falkland war era planes here. These planes are 5 former French Navy aircrafts of the latest update (mid-2000s), with very capable avionics and ECM. Much more survivable in a modern battlefield than the soviet-era SU-25 the ukrainians operate.

[@aaronlopez492]

The Super Etendard although a bit long in the tooth it's still an excellent platform.

[@Nicolas-kd5ni]

Nope, it's an ugly, underperformed french crap, nobody wants it

[@pierauspitz]

Well... The last version in service in France (the SEM, retired in 2016) is not comparable to Falkland War-era Super-Etendards. It received an extensive suite of upgrades in the 90's and 2000's, with a much improved radar (doubled range and improved capabilities), updated cockpit (HOTAS, MFD), upgraded NAV, modern ECM, and compatibility with the DAMOCLES targeting pod. Nothing to sneeze at. It seems that Argentina bought 5 of those in 2017 (delivered in 2019), but could not use them, due to British embargo on ejection seat components. Could these be the ones concerned? And in a context where they would receive cover from late F-16 blocks and/or Mirage 2000-5, there are definitely reasons to increase the Russian Navy's pucker factor.

[@chefchaudard3580]

Good point!. But there are only five of them…

[@pierauspitz]

@@chefchaudard3580 Each one armed with an Exocet, and ready to go... The Argentine Navy did not have more available in 1982, and look what they did to the British Navy. If you were a Russian sailor, would you even consider going out of port anymore?

[@blitzpelirrojo]

👍

[@ulfosterberg9116]

​@@chefchaudard3580and how many serviceable planes does Russia have?

[@LIONIQ-foxhound]

Iraq had leased the super etender and did not acquire, it was merely a temporary arrangement until the full arrival of the mirage F1 F1EQ-5 aircraft: capable of launching AM39 missiles... the aircraft is slow and poorly manoeuvrable, with a very limited combat useful payload and a low service ceiling, and therefore will constitute very easy air targets for Russian air defense systems deployed along the western coast of the Crimean Peninsula, supported with air superiority aircrafts like su35 and the fast interceptor MiG-31... Its slight preference is divided between: 1- the aircraft is considered a specialized in anti ships combat roles, but with avionics and the radar systems dating back to the Cold War era and therefore very obsolete to give a stand-off engagement capabilities, and I doubt its radars capable of firing the latest blocks of the AM39... 2- Having the ability to fly at low altitudes or skimming the sea... In anti-ship combat duties and roles in the Black Sea, the Ukrainian advantage lies in suicidal naval drones and not in anti-ship missiles ASMs, which still offer very low percentage successful rates...

[@nullterm]

At this rate, Ukrainians will be flying F-86s by Christmas

[@emaheiwa8174]

F102’s and A5 Vigilante please 😂

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

Spads are being cut as I post! 😳

[@chefchaudard3580]

In fact, the SEM is not older than the F-16 and Mirage 2000-5 Ukraine is supposed to receive. It first flew in 1974 and was modernized in the 90s. That’s comparable to the F-16 block 50/52.

[@nigellawson8610]

The Ukrainians will be flying updated Bristol FE 2b pusher biplanes?

[@SoufianeSitli]

And ov10 bronco

[@sdkfz2519]

Why not?!? SEs and any other jet fighter can be lunch platforms for JDAM, JDAM ER, AGMs, and other standoff airlunched weapons.

[@peterroberts505]

F4's for Ukraine!

[@sdkfz2519]

Actually, F4 is a decent lunch platform for JDAM, JDAM-ER, and any other air to ground ammunition with ranges in excess of 30 miles (to avoid all Russian SAM systems except S300 and S400)

[@bboxx069]

Japan has a bunch of F-4 s they just retired.

[@johnforrester9120]

Don’t joke Greece still has some

[@ClarkGallendez]

@@johnforrester9120 South korea and turkey still uses the f4 phantom. South korean phantoms can actually fire Taurus cruise missile and other modern munitions.

[@Gabedudley1]

The people of Ukraine hate you

[@Suojeluninja]

These can be equipped with air refuelling pods so they could be used as Ad Hoc tankers for F-16:s and other planes.

[@gnaruto7769]

SEs are decent low flyers, and it should be easier to interface western long range munitions with the Etendard for precision strikes. Considering how few aircraft the Ukrainians have right now, the SE might actually be semi valuable

[@Ob1sdarkside]

Milei has entered the melee

[@EdwardRLyons]

About the only practical use for such an old aircraft as the Super Etendard would be for anti-shipping strikes in the Black Sea. With only five aircraft, they would have limited if any utility on the land battlefield, apart from launching stand-off missiles, probably against fixed targets. But, such a limited number of aircraft could be very useful in extending the range of Ukraine's strike capability in the Black Sea. But would they still use Exocets, or a different anti-ship missile? 🤔

[@PTFM-v9m]

Given the situation with the Gripen I doubt it. Sweden claim to be happy to transfer, but holding back to allow for focus on the F-16s first.

[@1BigBen]

that was a friendly "look into" last year as only 30 of 71 Gripen C/D was to be upgraded to E and only 30 E would go pass 2030, leaving 41 Gripen C/D that could maybe be sent. today all 71 Gripen C/D are being upgraded to E and staying in services until between 2035 to 2040. no decision will be take on F-35 nor next Gen SAAB plane until 2030 with newly build Gripen E flying to 2040+, Gripen will most likely not be in Ukraine until way after 2028 and if ever.

[@PTFM-v9m]

@@1BigBen The E airframe is way bigger, the "upgrade" would mean slaughtering C/D frames for a few components that could be resused. Economic insanity if you ask me, the C/D got many fligh hours left in them.

[@yaki_ebiko]

I thought I was reading something wrong when I read the title. I still thought I must have misread something. HUH?

[@FAMUCHOLLY]

Anything to defeat putin... ANYTHING!!!

[@Tod_oMal]

They have been trying hard but they guy get's stronger by the minute...

[@sfertonoc]

They also were famous in Lybia, carrying the bombs or the optics for the Rafale booming missions, I forget which.

[@peterkin1010]

IMHO not quite as mad as it sounds. If the airframes are in good condition they could be adapted to fire the indigenous Ukrainian anti ship missile known as the Neptune. At the moment the only aircraft the Ukrainians have capable of that is the Sukhoi Su-24 . 5 Super Etandards are unlikely to win the war on their own but I could see Ukraine using them to pull off a serious blow to Russia. And they're an awful lot better than nothing.

[@mathewkelly9968]

The Falklands War would like its attack aircraft back , geez and people mock the MiG-29 😅

[@SIXITHS]

These aircraft were modernised in the late 1990s and were only retired in 2016.

[@maciek_k.cichon]

Hey, Super Etendards if not in manned role could be a nice drone and SAM magnet. Not to mention a proper benefactor to the Muscovite underwear laundry division.

[@JZsBFF]

Not a bad idea. Pretty expensive though when one considers what's currently being done with cheap prop planes. Perhaps interesting for Moskva type targets although those are running thin since most joined the silent service.

[@rogerpennel1798]

The key to an Etendard transfer would be the ability to fire the Exocet. If Etendard could fire modernized Exocets they could clear the Black Sea. Any other mission would be a stretch,

[@exploringtheplanetsn]

Everybody is kinda of trashing the super etendard right now. But you have to consider that Ukraine doesn’t have an infinite amount of Soviet aircraft. It’s entirely possible they have more pilots than planes right now. And as Soviet planes continue decrease in number, these could be used as a backup. Ukraine doesn’t have to necessarily use them, they could serve as a political bargaining chip to get other countries to donate there aircraft. Plus it’s easier to maintain a fleet of 5 aircraft versus 80. Further more the su-25’s Ukraine uses aren’t any better then the etendards.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Sweet, if it happens! These bad boys carry a lot more than an F-16 & give the Su fleet a break too. As long as they stay away from the front, these planes will be super useful. I've loved these planes since high school in 1982, thanks from an icy Canberra Ed.

[@smellysam]

Ah, Neptune range extenders - formerly know as Super Etendard.

[@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe]

French is Cool! Beautiful aircraft.

[@rob5944]

I've worked with many Eastern Europeans. They're smart people and just get on with things.

[@cesaravegah3787]

Exocet armed and adequatly upgraded those planes could be formidable antiship planes.

[@roykliffen9674]

The Swiss might still have some NF-5's and Hawker Hunters in storage.

[@1337flite]

I can't imagine why Ukraine would take Etenards, when they've turned down relatively modern F/A-18s from the RAAF.

[@Philistine47]

The RAAF Legacy Hornets are in really bad shape. Like, "not flyable, and fixing them would cost as much as buying new aircraft" bad - what the Aussies have left is the scraps the RCAF didn't even think were hauling off to provide spare parts for their own Legacy Hornet fleet.

[@MrBao-yt7bk]

The thing is these super Etendards are relatively fresh in comparison to the Hornets. They are the Super Etendards Modernizé Argentina bought in 2018 and never flew due to lack of ejector seats.

[@DiceStrike]

Ukraine turned down F/A 18? While still asking for money Beggars can’t be choosers and I’m starting to think your man’s is being spoiled if he can just refuse F18s…

[@Philistine47]

@DiceStrike First, nobody was seriously offering Ukraine the ancient, unflyable F/A-18A/Bs from the RAAF boneyard, it was just ignorant speculation that the Ukrainians (quite properly) shut down. Second, describing those old, busted Legacy Hornets as "flying garbage" is extremely charitable, as the only those aircraft will ever fly again is as cargo - what's left in the RAAF boneyard is, as stated, the scraps the RCAF didn't even want to cut up for _parts._

[@ampinstein]

Super Etendards Chalmers 😀

[@GaryJohnWalker1]

Are cheap wigs big business in Argentina?

[@benholroyd5221]

I would guess this is just political? Argentina are choosing the side of the west, which presumably is a good thing vis a vis them getting their economy sorted.

[@SIXITHS]

These aircraft were modernised in the 1990s/2000s and 5 were sold to Argentina, who couldn't use them as the UK embargo on their military meant they couldn't get any more spares for the Martin Baker ejection seats. The aircraft type was only retired in 2016.

[@Scott-fj9uf]

This is so bizarre. Strange times.

[@edwinbruckner4752]

It's telling enough that they are scraping all the old stuff to beat Russia. It's pure desperation, false hope en sheer stupidity. They should have talked years or months ago, they can't and won't beat Russia. Not with the old stuff, and not with the new stuff.

[@TheMangeGrain]

Mirage 2000-5 planes were used exclusively by the French Air Force for air interception missions. With a dozen of them I guess you could protect a city like Kharkiv. SEM planes are more multirole, they were used by the French Navy for a variety of missions until the Rafale became an able platform.

[@rmcdudmk212]

The SE could probably make for good ground trainers if they just refurb the cockpits.

[@dcanmore]

more than likely these are the upgraded SEM variants purchased by Argentina from France in 2017 and remain in storage because of spare parts embargo.

[@ryansta]

Seems like a deal where there's more in it for Argentina than useful for Ukraine. They've managed really well with Naval threats so far, so wouldn't need the plane for that tasking, and for other uses they're better off with more modern alternatives. Drones seem to be where it'll be decided on.

[@Hypernefelos]

These are modernized Super Etendards, bought from France in 2017. But they're been in storage ever since then, because they're missing some spare parts that require British approval, which the British have not given and are unlikely to ever give.

[@Bruno-zg4cx]

Massimo D'Alema on cover! Fantastic!

[@verysurvival]

Thanks 🙏 for learning the correct pronunciation of Entendard since your video about it hen

[@Zoydian]

Very bad decision by Milei. Very bad optics!!

[@emaheiwa8174]

Its not bad at all, planes are ancient and the free space is always good

[@tomlobos2871]

funny enough, i saw that coming and i won a sixpack beer from that bid. mostly because nobody had the SE on mind. but it's logic, france should have spares in stock and i bet it still does a good job in replacing SU-25 or types that launch weapons with a long standoff distance. then i think that ukraine is doing well on crippling air defence, so local air superiority might give it a great chance to shine. same if someone would send a bunch of A-4 skyhawks. yes the sports car steals the show but the truck is doing the work at the end of the day. the other bet is about a "tornado alliance" btw. it's on the way out as well.

[@TheMangeGrain]

If these are SEM ("Super Etendard Modernisé") planes, they're still a very decent addition for the Ukainians and it should be easier to train pilots on them. Logistics and maintenance for only 5 planes, though... If these are older Falklands-war era planes, they're also still useful : as decoys.

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

😂😂😂.... Don't get me wrong. The SE is one my favorite planes & the world is a dumpster fire.....but Many thanx Ed 👍👍

[@tiberiusgracchus4222]

I know somebody out there has some F-86 Sabres in storage.

[@BoringPet]

Comments are missing a key role these aircraft could play: right now Ukraine has no airborne tanker aircraft. Etendard can function as a buddy tanker to extend the range of proper fighter/attack aircraft. Also, these aircraft can be equipped with modern French stand-off weapons with little modification. With the abundance of spare parts available from France, and a shortage of capable aircraft, the value of this jet for Ukraine is nothing to laugh at

[@ivan1450]

France gives mirages to ukraine...can you see the joke? Mirages ...

[@mattheweagles5123]

I'm not convinced that the cost of making them slightly viable and the logistics chain required to keep them that way is worth it really. Unless they are useful as unmanned drones or decoys.

[@jnx4803]

The Mirage 2000-5 is even better than the MLU F-16 UA was offered, but SE is basically a jump and a backflip backward in what Ukraine needs.

[@fooman2108]

The S-E no longer has viable ship to fly off of. Part of the deal they are making over parts is to put them in storage.

[@charlesmullenax4448]

Everyone laughs till you lose a ship.

[@theoccupier1652]

Entendardly ... anything that can fire weapons is a bonus for Ukrain ... the Entendard certainly effed up the Royal Navy even if it was back in 82

[@Tod_oMal]

Argentina just bought a bunch of old F-16's, so they need space in the garage, that's the reason behind...

[@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca]

Five planes. Planes Argentina themselves couldn’t source parts for. Argentina wants someone else to handle the training and delivery. I got to admit it must take some guts to ask for compensation with a straight face for planes like this. This is one tier above offering empty bottles as build materials for molotov cocktails. If Europe needs retired planes for training purposes, we can find them easily. Likely this is not done as they would still need active maintanance for training use. For training pilots I seriously doubt getting the planes to train with is even an obstacle to begin with, if the training happens outside of Ukraine. These planes aren’t just worthless. Even calling them an opportunity to waste resources is too generous. We already could waste the resources in the exact same manner without fetching the planes from Argentina. These planes are a reduntant opportunity to waste resources.

[@NDR-hn3ue]

Lets try this opening Lyric from the song : Spinning Wheels by Blood ,Sweat, & Tears and see if it's applicable to Ukraine "What goes UP must come DOWN"

[@1BigBen]

well Argentina is getting 18 Danish F-16A that are mix from Block-1 x3, Block-5 x12 and Block-15 x3 and 6 F-16B two seater trainers, so mostly likely the Uk wouldn't block this and it get them cash or a few coupon. In 2015 Argentina had 11 active and the French Navy had 26 active, with "MLU-ish" in the 90's we could have use for them as buddy tankers for aero refuelling and as Ukraniain use the SU-24, that launches the storm shadow/scalp takes a U turn and gets cover from its two escort fighters France has only 6 Mirage 2000B-S5, so 5 Super Étendard could help speed up training speaking of Super, how about we use the training time to upgrade the Mirage 2000 5F/MKII/GE by doing a hornet engine style swap give the Mirage the F110-GE-129 and call it Super Mirage 5000

[@Nimboid-20]

I'm just/still a bit peeved that the Cameron government didn't leave us (the UK) in a position to trump this story with a gift of Harriers. No worries about cratered runways with those!

[@innerlight7018]

UK announced to deliver several Gloster Meteors from old stocks!

[@gj1234567899999]

Could these planes be turned into suicide drone fighters? Like one way attack mission to sink some Russian ships? Three guided missile frigates are still present in the Black Sea. Could be juicy targets.

[@martindice5424]

😂😂👍Nice one Ed. Oh wait.. It’s not April 1st… 😳

[@englishpassport6590]

The DH Mosquito could be handy its made out of wood so its miniscule radar signal would be useful

[@Ares-jx4ep]

This just in, France offers to send new production SPAD S.XIII's to Ukraine. (To be honest Ukraine would likely figure out a way to turn a SPAD into a big slow drone and wipe out what little remains of the RU Black Sea fleet.)

[@jg3000]

The SPAD might be hard to see on radar.

[@yes_head]

The SE would probably not be a huge lift in terms of pilot conversion, but yeah -- serious thought would be needed re: how best to be used and survivability. If I were Ukraine I'd be like "Any offer is welcome, but how much more manpower and support services would be needed for these when we're already challenged to support the F-16?"

[@dreaminknight]

This is a political move only. These birds are obsolete even against Russian modern tactical jets. Further, we are talking about 5 jets... Ok, we also have to consider that Argentina does not have much and is hoping to get 2nd / 3rd hand F-16s...

[@bpora01]

One of those bits of news that makes you go "ummm"

[@omarrp14]

I think it’s worth the effort to train people on the platform. Especially if there are spare parts in stock. I wonder if they could be converted to work remotely to function as unmanned kamikaze. Like they’ve done with smaller Civ planes I assume Ukraine could spare a few dozen people to get trained for flying and maintenance. They fly the plane till spare parts run out, cannibalize the planes to keep them running.

[@CEOkiller]

At least they can say they are “combat proven “…. 40 years ago!!!

[@arofhoof]

Quite a few nice clip of the super etendart that video, thanks! I never quite understood that plane, to me it always looked somewhat hopelessly outdated (subsonic..). Was it any good.. did it good special feature that made it special or efficient at some specific missions?

[@chefchaudard3580]

Think of it as a strike aircraft. Even modern day multi role fighters are subsonic, when carrying ground pounding gear, drop tanks, air to ground, air to sea missiles and bombs, and they mostly fly low. There are supersonic only in the air to air role.

[@GARDENER42]

Methinks politely declining the offer would be the best response. At the same time, anything which pi$$es off Putin is a 100% good thing.

[@santoriniblue8413]

I wouldn't be surprised if these were the same 5 units that Argentine bought from France several years ago to replace its more older. Unfortunately the state of these was worse than expected, wich also spiked runours of corruption. Lacking the resources and the mentioned British veto on the Martin-Baker eject seats they ended also being shelved.

[@gunner678]

Mirage 2000 is a cracking aircraft, still a viable strike aircraft. Super Etandarte also oldie but goodie. Remote pilot them and use them as super kamikaze drones. Ukraine has the technical savvy.

[@minhthunguyendang9900]

Who can say which weapon is obsolete ? Weapons change. But the target hasn’t. Namely the human body. A club kills it as surely as a Hellfire missile.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

This one I did not see coming.

[@Itsjustme-Justme]

The required effort to get them operational makes no sense when only 5 can be delivered. Things would be very different if it was 50. The Super Etendard is not a bad design after all and it would be able to fill the biggest gap the Ukrainian Air Force has to fill: A technically rather simple attack aircraft that can use a much wider variety of NATO standard missiles and bombs than the crudely converted MiGs and Sus can use.

[@RobMcGinley81]

Ukraine to Australia: ‘We don’t want your flying trash’ (F/A 18) 🙄

[@1BigBen]

problem with the Aussie F/A-18A that were left were well pass the life of the frame like most of the F/A-18A that didn't frame rebuild. Aussie F/A-18A were EOL done. with no other sources for more of them

[@Philistine47]

It's true, calling the ex-RAAF F/A-18s "flying trash" _was_ a bit misleading - none of those tired old birds will ever fly again, unless it's in the cargo hold of a C-17 or other large airlifter.

[@ftc9258]

I wonder which ASM she will carry if she ever ends up flying against the Russian navy. Harpoon or Exocet?

[@mikepette4422]

OUCH ! it's not the planes I'm worried about I'm worried about the precious pilots that will be flying these.

[@emaheiwa8174]

Bring back the A5 Vigilante, B58 and Saab Draken 🙏🏼😅

[@richdurbin6146]

As nasalized airframes they’re probably robust enough to use Ukraine’s less improved runways.

[@guilledione1848]

I don't know where in Argentina the info comes from but it's not true. The rumor was already dismissed.

[@Tod_oMal]

Have they moved April 1st to June 13th?

[@franciscoduarteauthor]

Sometimes i think about settings like Battletech and Warhammer where centuries old kit is still being used in combat and think "how silly." Then real life comes and proves me wrong. What a curious development. What next? Piston engined yaks performing interceptions? Oh, right...

[@triscfs]

It is crazy. Why not a Spitfire proposal next time?

[@trplankowner3323]

I think the Royal Navy off the Falklands was better prepared to defend against Super Etendards with Exocets than the current Russian Black Sea Fleet is prepared to do the same job. So, if the Ukrainians want them, send them!

[@ricardokowalski1579]

Without early warning assets opposing, the SEttendard has a fighting chance. They have proven capable of sneaking under the radar.

[@tristan4777]

Not sure what the point would be for these. Upgrades and parts would be an issue, so why divert pilots to train on them? Useful as drones/decoys maybe?