The Future of eBikes - P-51 Review

The p 51 bullet isn’t an average ebike. The quality, suspension, and craftsmanship is next level. However the power isn’t anything special and the price isn’t cheap, just under $4,000. Here is my honest review of this unique ebike.
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[@MiceliCreations]

60V should be the new standard.

[@Murillos1]

The Vitilan i7 Pro has phenomenal rorque at 48v for $1500

[@TheCrusher72]

AT LEAST 52V and a legit 1000w these days…

[@ashpunting]

I love those forks. I've got them on my Mario 1000w bafang mid-drive cafe racer style bike. I usually see those forks on the Sur-Rons but I'm very pleased with them and like the P51 it's a good looking bike and i can't wait to see what you do to it 👌🏾

[@Dus306]

hey Rory, the exact model number he mentioned? kke bf-34 ? thank you

[@p51bikes]

Great video, we can’t wait to see what you do with your Bullet! We do want to mention that we are not trying to compete with Sur Ron or Talaria, as we are strictly a Class 2 bike, which limits us on power and speed. Our goal here is to have a bike that’s got the suspension you want, while being able to ride it almost everywhere 🤘⚡️

[@MrSpolaR]

Way too overpriced for a 48v system with that battery. Margins have to be absurd even for an American company

[@Calthecool]

Buying one of these and upgrading it to 3000+ watts would be a dream build of mine. There's so much space in the triangle frame for a powerful custom battery, and the build quality means the bike could take the extra power without breaking. Maybe in a few years when people start to get tired of the ones they bought now and I could buy a used one for less than $2k. EDIT: Just noticed you did upgrade it, I would've probably done it a bit differently but I can't argue with a 30 minute build time.

[@cerebrix]

"The performance is not what i would expect for $3850 bucks" If you only equate price to top speed..... CA just introduced a law (currently making it's way through their legislature on the way to the Governor's office) that will ban anyone under age 12 from riding an ebike of any kind and require some kind of drivers license to be on the road. For those age 12-16 they will have an online training course as well as an online test to get an ebike license. This bike, is fine within those legal limits. This law will also put anything above the moronic class system (which makes zero sense, we don't prevent SUV's from being on city streets that have a 35mph top speed just because they can do 100mph) into a scooter/motorcycle class and require a real motorcycle endorsement license, insurance, and registration. The P-51 was built, according to it's designer, to be a street legal Surron. That's why it uses literally and exactly the same front forks as the light bee. This bike can be jumped at a bmx course and land with zero problems. An Engwie or Dad Power Bike would snap in half trying to do something like that and be merciless on how the shock gets transferred into your body. The P-51 frames are hand welded by American hands with frames made of Steel. Most ebikes frames are made of chineseium. Go look at the Super73 FB groups to see all the cracked or snapped frames S2 and RX owners have been dealing with. This is a good bike. People that know good bikes know this. Also, a 72v version of this bike already exists. It's a Surron. You should return those components you ordered. You'll spend more than a surron on those mods plus the cost of the bike, without it being anywhere near as good as a Surron. The designer of this bike, got his start, you guessed it. Running a business that modified Surrons. Unless he wanted to go through the DOT stuff to issue moped vins and coa's since he's located in Huntington Beach. This is the most you'll see any CA based business makes power wise going forward. edit: to summarize both points im trying to make here is this. 1) super powered ebikes are in July 2023 in the USA, a thing we used to see get sold in America. Regulation isn't coming, it's already here and these companies are not going to make bikes that nearly all their customers will get into legal trouble with. But #2, I think you totally misunderstood whoever told you "they compare this to a surron". What they meant to say was, this bike, according to it's designer was meant to be nothing more than the Surron's front fork andd rear suspension and geometry in a street legal ebike. He literally built it purposefully to be a "slow surron". That was literally it's design goal and you talk about it like it's a flaw in the design. It's not. It's the center of it.

[@thomasfodor3495]

Great points! Hadn't thought of it this way!

[@itsmike9227]

Thanks for the information, I hope this bike comes to the UK

[@JerseyStyle7]

Well said 👍🏽👍🏽 i’m gonna get one very soon

[@YaTuChavez]

Glad to see another creator riding around with a bullet! I'm also looking to customize mine but I'm excited to see your 72v build process and mods!

[@bretburt7317]

They should definitely offer options like you are suggesting. A dual motor version would be awesome.

[@roberttennant3577]

All manufacturers choose to concentrate cost on many different features. 48 volt battery and 750 watt motor is for old people.

[@electrifiedlatina6871]

YESSSS!!! 48V so outdated!

[@roberttennant3577]

@@electrifiedlatina6871 I like your energy and the direction you are bringing to your channel. Wishing you the best!

[@roberttennant3577]

Good morning EL! I had a question for you. What are the current watt limits for e-bike trail riding in Colorado? I was considering bringing my Kepler when visiting Durango.

[@electrifiedlatina6871]

@@roberttennant3577 I’m just realizing that this comment was meant for me yay! Thanks so much, this means a lot and gets me even more pumped!

[@electrifiedlatina6871]

@@roberttennant3577 Good morning Robert! I love Durango, and you will have a blast with you’re Kepler! The watt limit here is 750W, and who’s gonna know the distinction between nominal and peak you know? 😉

[@pascalj4331]

If you have a friend who's good at mtb, take it on a technical trail with you filming points, that would be cool.

[@YottaByte22]

Can you please record the build process of the 72v monster it will be. Love the content bro

[@marktanemura3015]

I like your direction your going with this . I agree with torque acceleration over top speed . I have the lyric graffiti that lacks the starting torque and has okay top speed and no rear suspension 😢. What gps app do you use ? Cheers

[@zadraking]

I was extremely close to ordering the Lyric Graffiti as I was super excited about the bike and it's power. I still absolutely love the look/design of the bike, one of the Best, it really is unfortunate about the power and how long it took to deliver to customers

[@FreakyT333]

They should have at least gone with 52v, easy to stay street legal most places and you’ll get a decent kick above 48v. Look at Magicycle, great example of this vs the basically identical Himiway options at 48v. Both class 2 or 3 legal but the Magicycle offers a much more enjoyable power delivery with the 52v.

[@EBikeBuilder_]

I’m having trouble making sense of it. 8” travel fork on a 750w fat ebike? 😂 Thing should be 2k

[@bobbybecker80]

Good review. The SurRon and Talaria aren't competitors IMO since neither has pedals (forget the funny add ons). It would be interesting to see if the company would sell the frame suspension and wheels only.

[@TurtleKingzxz]

The bike has some outstanding parts minus the brakes and battery. I don't believe the arguments for street legality In terms of specs are fair because this bike is riding on its suspension. Almosy every piece of promotional material highlights how great it is for jumps and trails but it doesn't have an unlockable offroad mode for more torque or power. It also doesn't have gears for pedaling, I know it's moped style bike which aren't usually great for pedaling but it's also missing features a solid moped style ebike should have to stand out at $4k like a built in alarm/security, turn signals, or a horn. Like you said it's a great base to start on for upgrading, but a 72v30Ah battery alone can be about 2k. It doesn't seem worth it to spend $4k on something only to invest thousands in it virtually immediately to alter its performance. As an influencer I'm sure it would be a great video for you but I don't think this bike is worth it. Once you pay that much you start getting into motorcycle and car prices.

[@JerseyStyle7]

I love this bike, but I have a through axle on my$1400 E Bike bigniu bgx- but i do want a P-51, I like the idea of staying legal and I love the quality parts. It’s just so tough to get around that price.

[@ex0stasis72]

What is the design called where the seat height is not adjustable like on this bike? I'm looking for a video that compares with pros and cons about that design vs having and adjustable height for the seat because to me, this looks like it would feel more like a motorcycle than a bicycle, and it would encourage me to just throttle everywhere instead of pedal.

[@twistedexistence3603]

Great review! I'd love to see the upgrade.

[@sambryant2150]

In the future, would you add more than 1 72v battery?

[@thomasfodor3495]

The birkenstocks killed me XD

[@Wabsy1]

Talaria xxx for that

[@pascalj4331]

"torque is more important", but you are obsessed with top speed. 35a controller with 48v is going to give you the torque with much less motor heat than 72v. Would appreciate the test of the grin controller with your existing battery/voltage if you have time. Comparing to 72v eventually. Comparing heat too.

[@paulhendershott667]

When I got back into flying as a Private Pilot in 2017 after a 15 year hiatus, I purchased 2 Chinese knock-off GoPro's to mount inside and outside the aircraft to capture my wife and my adventures. I think one was 1080p and the other was $45 and 2.7K. I never lost a second of footage, never had them freeze or turn off due to heat or firmware issues. I did all the stabilization in Premier Pro and that was always good enough. Then I decided to splurge and picked up a GoPro Hero 5 Black and Hero 6 Black to enjoy the 4K footage. Looking back I wish I had just run out into moving-traffic, or poured Ghost pepper sauce in my eyes instead. There was seldom a day where they worked flawlessly and many days when they both froze, or turned off unexpectedly for no reason. I think the President of the company was a huckster and was just making a cash and stock grab until he could sell off this albatross. I fly 11 different DJI Drones commercially along with 3 Autel EVO Pro Drones and they are both rock solid companies and I have never had an issue with over 1,160 operations under my belt. The quality control at GoPro is virtually non-existent.

[@obeii1805]

Plz I’ll never pay 3k for any bike with 750 w 😂😂😂😂

[@buffalomind6838]

I agree for the price it should’ve come with a battery with more capacity as well as bigger amp controller. They missed the market with this one. Hopefully for their sake, and our enjoyment they fix these mistakes in the first batch/bike to selves a leader in the industry.

[@Campfussell]

I have same forks and rear suspension on my CS20 Cyclone. Best suspension I've ever had on an ebike.

[@zadraking]

How are you enjoying that bike? I'm very interested in it, it was you and your bike on citizen's channel correct? You got it from estrapz? Would you recommend I order from them?

[@Campfussell]

@@zadraking Yes, I got it from Estrapz. I'm torn because the bike is so heavy and kinda tall for me. But other than that I love the bike. I tried to sell it at a $500 loss, but was getting offers at the $1000 loss rate. So, I'm in the process of getting the seat and seat frame totally modified/fabricated to fit me more like my Spark Bandit. In fact it is being modified to have a Spark Bandit seat.

[@Icenova20]

I appreciate your build man. Cant wait to see you put 72v in it. There arent any really good value 72v bikes out there that i can find.

[@bogusbahemoth]

Hey NPL, I want to get one of these but I need some things to ask before. Is this e-bike good for hills, I'm talking bout San Francisco type hills. Also, how's the power, does it feel week or does it feel strong, compared to a Super73 ZX. Is this a good e-bike, or if it's not what's a good reccomendation?

[@theoreticalonetime4479]

When would you be interested in reviewing some of Juiced Bikes higher end bikes like the HyperScrambler and HyperScorpion? They have very compelling prices while being a 52v system with added bells and whistles for street use, horn, turn signals, etc. And as far as I know, they use a exclusive hub motor which is interesting. None the less, I would love to see the P 51 Bullet upgraded for its price tag.

[@spootnik00]

4K plus another 2k to upgrade the battery and motor... not worth it... it has a 750watt motor 48v battery the bike is way overprice

[@maximumchargeEV]

how many watts do you think that motor can handle? I'm about to do a shunt mod to the wired ebike

[@g00fysmiley]

seems odd that they do not have at least one of their models or an ad on option for a normal bicycle seat. Depends on your area and law enforcements expectations of bicycles. but if you either do not have pedals, or have a moped style seat they will give you a hard time. Its why my next bike is likely the wired freedom, though I would prefer that is 27.5 x 2.1-2.5 inch tires

[@slimdunkin117]

Can u link to the mirror u have

[@jfly2249]

Complete waste of money with only 48v. Slow, overpriced, ugly and will get you pulled over by the police. What a rip off! Assembled in America using 100% Chinese parts, what’s the difference? $2000!

[@Statesguard]

Can you link me all the upgrade components you talked about? Thanks!

[@austinschaller5688]

Hey, really enjoy your channel. I'm putting on a group ebike ride rolling out of Eagle Rock Reservation(1 Crest Drive, West Orange) on Saturday, July 29th at 7:00PM. It's gonna be a 25 mile ride with a few stops at scenic locations. Hope you can make it🙏

[@CarsandCats]

I want an Ebike that will power wheelie. Any suggestions?

[@RandomMotoThings]

What mirror is that?

[@jasonjenkins4213]

Leaning front because of the seat is a terrible design for the price.

[@goingoutotheparty1]

Don't forget an even bigger Controller and DD Motor so it's a wheelie machine

[@TheSeth]

The frame seems great. The way I see it, that’s what really matters, as it’s much easier to upgrade everything else. Problem is, I want a mid drive hill climbing machine, ideally one that can also carry a passenger. Should I buy this and then modify it or is that too crazy? Not a very efficient use of money, but my options seem limited.

[@1917VIL]

much better options that will come with both required power & better price. A surron lbx, a surron ultrabee, Talaria mx4, buy a ktm85 and get Electro & co. conversion kit, various other random options. Obviously, the requirement to carry a second rider is difficult to fully satisfy, and limits options pretty drastically...

[@atomwiley]

You should’ve got the talaria xxx, its awesome.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Bicycles with seats you can adjust the height are better. Plastic with steel overlayed gears. That bike looks ok for young people wanting to go off road or to hooligan .

[@outsideallday7097]

It’s different but it is more or less stronger in the frame than other e-bikes I’ve seen

[@plutobars7700]

Put a CYC gen3 on there. It would set this bike off, plus dual batteries is a must.

[@kevinmorrissey4132]

Have you thought about putting a new motor on it? QS 205 5T would be a lot of fun.

[@oldmanebikes8392]

I like that bike but it's way to much for like you said just 48v and small motor. I just sold my ebike that I just bought because I want a bike with range so I'm going to get the eahora Romeo and upgrade it down the road to 72v and 3000w with 80a controller. Why did u buy a battery that is 72v but only 15ah. I think that's what u said. You could have got a larger ah for prob less then u payed. Going off older vids of yours I think I know what battery you got and it was like 800$. For that u could ha got at least a 40ah and plenty of room on that frame. I might try to build my own frame like that bullet because it's a simple design. Great buy tho I do like it just way to much for me. We will have to go on a group ride when I get my Romeo.

[@DriverJ-N]

1:11 looks at my $1800 aostirmotor s17 🤔

[@ReVolt_e-Vlogs]

Between that & the Raev, I'd take the Raev, looks way better & 1/2 the price, I can add my own DNM shocks myself & add a 3kw motor & controller with thy extra money I saved, then just have to pay for a 72v battery, & you'd have a street missle for under $4k

[@khanrides]

This bike is disappointing. You can add your own suspension to any ebike that has stock suspension and save a ton of money. For 4000$, I expect dual batteries, 52V system, 4 piston hydraulic brakes, full fenders, comfortable seat and a 1000W nominal motor. If you look carefully, you can see that the battery is a Hailong battery which is a battery made in China and can contain brand name cells. This company didn’t even attempt to make their own unique battery case 🤦‍♂️

[@bobedwards6138]

Your explanation for the ripoff price is ridiculous..bull@$&×

[@julescorry3958]

Well. He has to justify his choices one way or another

[@EBikeBuilder_]

There’s no getting past that price 😂 sheesh

[@brentcollins9727]

Can a steel frame rust?

[@colinriches1519]

Yes.

[@horsepastedelish]

Why did they put the battery at the top like that. I would have put it low next to the cranks, better performance and more cleaner/stealth looking.

[@12321goofball]

For 3k my ebike has the same dnm suspension 72v 5000w 40ah battery and cycle anaylst v3

[@joshpointoh]

I think the price to performance is still out of whack. You have a frame and suspension that can handle 70mph with a performance of slow accelerating 30mph? You will never use the potential of all of that quality you are paying for. When this company goes out of business, these will sell off for 2k and be a great bargain for modders.

[@robertcornelius3514]

Does this company warranty against home destruction by battery fires?

[@handlworks]

P-51 has standout build quality and the suspension is leagues ahead of its competition. Great team.

[@JimyOfficial]

Did you buy this or they sent you it to review?

[@Timbodacious]

Yeah wholesale thats a $1,000.00 bike i have no clue why they are charging over 2k for it with such low specs. It does have a cool simplicity to it though.

[@brettairherdtcules]

Not bad. I'd look into Escapade E-Bikes if you want real power.

[@julescorry3958]

Why do u need all those suspensions when you mostly rude on smooth America road. Infact the suspension should be locked out. I ride no suspension in Africa's jagged road.🤣

[@InkDropFalls]

frame is horrible looking though ...

[@MrDeceptacon88]

Sure it fugly

[@colinriches1519]

I cant see why they'd put those forks on such a weak performing bike! They're less stealthy and pointless for that light, slow bicycle. The frame has potential, but its square tubing, not as strong as cylindrical yet weighs much more. Im guessing that it feels nice to ride though, which, for some wealthy people would make it worth it. But myself, I can build a similar, but lighter, quicker and more efficient ebike for less than half the price that will not atand out as much, while performing better. So for me it's not worth it.

[@photosbymiketm2461]

If that price is in U.S dollar I would definitely not spend that kind of money since I live in Canada and the conversion difference would be way to expensive. If I'm gonna spend close to $4k u.s dollar the ebike better have a capable speed of 70km/h or more and have a battery range of at least 150km. If it only has a max speed of 32km/h and average battery range like every other ebike I ain't gonna spend more than $1200 u.s dollar. I could care less if it's assembled in U.S it's not an excuse for a higher price.

[@Londonbridge978]

Surron and P-51 are 2 different class of bikes. This bike is supposed to compete against Super73

[@georgekrpan3181]

Ordinary bolt on wheels are every bit as good as thru axles in terms of structural integrity. The trouble is that all high quality suspension forks are thru axle. Seems like there is a golden opportunity for someone to make high quality forks for ebikes with ordinary bolt on wheels. Surprised that the Chinese haven't capitalized on it.

[@kirkslayden834]

72 volts is much better and the higher you go the more power yeah power-to-the-people

[@AmpedgenX]

I think you can get this bike to where it needs to be for like $6000 all in.

[@plokmko0]

should be a 3 battery bike for that money

[@TheTexasDuke]

Engwe engine pro King 👑 $1400

[@johnnylong2049]

Would not buy an “average” bike as you stated for nearly $4000!

[@jimmyelliott7473]

This bike is way overpriced. the bike should have come with either dual motors front and rear. Or may be dual batteries or at least a 60 or 70 volt battery to justify this price. the problem for this company is their building the frames in the USA and they're located in Huntington Beach, not a cheap place to have a shop. I think before I started making e-bikes I would have tried selling a do-it-yourself kit where I'm only selling the frame wheels and and front suspension and of course you could modify everything else yourself😮

[@allenschmitz9644]

those gross 4' tires...

[@1917VIL]

huh? That bike seems like a piece of shit, no offense. KKE suspension? Shit. That hub motor? Shit. The dual piston generic Tektro brakes? Shit. The 48V battery system? Shit. There is literally nothing to even come close to justifying the $4K price. Let's face it: they're a wannabe super 73...and super 73s suck, too. They are simply trying to suck in money from young middle class dudes who are looking only at the aesthetics, just like Super 73 has done. The P-51 should be reduced in price to somewhere between$1,700-$1,900. That would make it a waaaaay more interesting idea

[@thinkintime1]

9:57 you've been warned by myself and others before on your riding behaviour near "door zones". Hitting a suddenly open door at even 10 or 15 mph can change your life. You were going about 27 or 28. Please don't learn the hard way!

[@NPLVentures]

I’m aware of this and try my best to see if people are in the cars

[@thinkintime1]

@NPLVentures Well, at least you make an effort, but sometimes that isn't quite enough to avoid a surprise full-flung out door courtesy of someone reaching down to grab their wallet (so you might not even see them) and then suddenly throwing their door all the way out without looking because they're in a hurry to get to the bank. I personally either slow way down or open wide enough to the left so that even if they open the door all the way I won't get hit. I have been doored twice in my maybe 10-12ish years of regular bicycle riding, and it took the second one being much more painful for me and damaging to my bike for it to really sink in. I was lucky in that I didn't have significant permanent damage to my body, but I've seen people break their collarbone, need shoulder surgery, etc just on leg powered bikes. Now when I see someone riding relatively fast in the door zone I immediately cringe a little and think "it's not IF but WHEN". Safe travels out there, friend - may you have over 100,000 accident/crash-free miles ahead of you!

[@emilioramirez-guanche2595]

I don't like the cafe racer style bikes

[@Billybritt-s4t]

1500 max you can build better for 1500

[@Mota_Editz]

Seems like a shit bike tbh I personally think the wired freedom is better like how he kinda mentioned

[@AEFisch]

So is "the future of ebikes" one's where pedaling is irrelevant? No adjustable seat too? What does it weigh? Also crap "not good at anything" tires (on or off road).

[@kingofstaten52]

Most over priced bike in 2023

[@nwmetalbug]

Not a motorcycle not a bicycle its a toy

[@MrDeceptacon88]

Just another Super 73 clone..borinnnnnggg

[@coolshariq]

That's stupidly for people these days you spent 4k on ugly looking garbage bike than upgrading to 72 volts system spending another 1500 plus components than you make a video justifying your purchase Unbelievable!! People stopped spending your hard earned money on this garbage bike there's way better options for way less.