NRA: To See Where Gun Licensing Leads, Look To Great Britain

[@andreaandyoakleelee5494]

May we never forget what Britain and Australia learned. Never Stand down.

[@Seb0495-y3f]

I can't stress enough how important it is to not give a single inch to these gun control initiatives.

[@JohnSmith-ge7dw]

My friend, I feel so bad for you and others in your situation. In America, we might not have complete gun rights, but we have most of them. I can go out and buy a dozen AR-15s with no problem. 30 round mags, no problem. Hell I once bought 100 of those magazines in one purchase. One of the long distance ranges I go to is run by a former British sniper who now lives here. I asked him what he thought about the gun control back in the UK and he said it was a crying shame. The reason he lives over here now is for the gun rights. I feel for you man. There's a lot about America that I don't like, but I still love this country and the 2nd Amendment is at the top of the list on reasons why!

[@Seb0495-y3f]

+John Smith I appreciate it John; It's incredibly frustrating, and to be honest I can only see it getting worse.

[@robertl4152]

Of the people and By the People!!!!! NOT OF THE FEW BUT BY THE MANY!!!! So Sad the many didn't stand against the few.😥. United We Stand, Divided We Fall. May GOD Bless America,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

[@MaskedMumblr]

And most of those guns floating around will be hidden, refused to turn in, or claimed "lost" to the police. At least 1/4 of guns in the U.S. are unregistered anyway, so the police won't even know if someone's keeping their guns after they're banned.

[@marcdenen6160]

Bet the royal family kept all of their guns.

[@jbranch1111]

NO IT'S NOT!!!! I LIVE HERE AND FEEL INTIMIDATED ALL THE TIME. I WISH I HAD THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS SO I COULD PROTECT ME AND MY MUM FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THEIR COMMIE SPIES

[@spencerpayne2464]

Sarah Everard, and the other names read out in Parliament a day ago, no guns required......... violence is the problem and the fear of the threat of government violence was all that was needed for it to come to this.

[@MarineAqua45]

It isn't nearly impossible to own an Enfield rifle.It requires a Section 1 application form to be completed,returned to the forces firearms department & a review of the dwelling security,at the police forces discretion & then the license arrives in the post.Before this,a candidate must have been a probationer at a gun club,which uses Section 1 weapons for at least 6 months.Its quite easy to get,once a club member.The near impossible license is a Section 7.3 variation for classic pistols on Sec1.

[@patrickkraemer8905]

Then why do they want to ban assault rifles the most when the percentage is less even than rifles and personal weapons. And why are you way more likely to die from an auto accident and no one is crying for a ban or increase in regs.

[@hoah]

What statistics? I didn't suggest removing anyone's rights. What are you even complaining about? If you really want to shoot something, and can prove yourself responsible you can. Guns are legal here, but they are tightly controlled. Why would you want to risk the safety of others, even marginally, by changing that?

[@GarySellars]

These people didn't understand that this was to keep people from resisting tyranny. How can anyone resist tyranny with the tyrants are armed and you're not?

[@GarySellars]

667Gullin You should believe the Bible and not the liars to whom you listen. You're brainwashed with lies. *_Truly_* believing in Jesus is life transforming. It's a personal commitment to the One who was hung on a tree because of His love for you. It's a decision of the heart, not the mind but when the heart changes, the mind will follow.

[@GarySellars]

667Gullin Ignorant and stupid.

[@GarySellars]

667Gullin It's not time you lack; it's honesty, integrity and critical thinking skills. Your arguments are empty and your stupidity is apparent. You're too stupid to know that the flood is known in every corner of the world? No, you don't know that because you're too stupid to make the connection that you should have found that fact out before you opened your stupid mouth and advertised your ignorance. Fools like you mouth off your stupidity and expect people with normal intelligence to hold our tongues while ignorant fools like you infest people with lies because you're too dishonest and lazy to do your homework. The evidence for the flood is everywhere but you're too stupid to engage your brain and recognize the truth of Scripture or to examine the motives of the evil people who you allow to deceive you. You have the Internet and you're using it for all the wrong reasons. If you don't want to be insulted, stop your stupid mouth from inviting insults.

[@GarySellars]

667Gullin Listen halfwit and I'll give you *JUST ONE* irrefutable proof of the flood. There are many more and if you weren't such a dolt, you'd know that. Although idiots dispute it, it's irrefutable to intelligent, thinking men. The simple, evidentiary facts I present will demonstrate whether you're too stupid to think or not. All over the world there are petrified trees standing upright *THROUGH the "strata"* which is really the sedimentary layers that settled as the worldwide flood receded and caused the collective "fossil graveyards. Or did you think all the animals walked across the earth to the same place and laid down and died and for each death, circumstances were perfect for fossilization? There is another place where you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed and didn't even think enough to say, "Wait a minute! How is it all these animals died and were preserved _in the same place_? Playing you for the fool you are, they didn't say anything to provoke a thinking question from you! The same flood deposited these trees throughout the world and they petrified because they were encased reasonably quickly (a few weeks to months) which fulfills the requirements for petrifaction. It is a fact that these trees *ARE throughout the world standing upright through the "strata"*. That they are petrified and that they do run right through all the sedimentary layers that the lying evolutionists claim are the strata of the fabricated "geologic column" is irrefutable truth that Noah's flood covered the earth. Unless you want to claim aliens came and planted these petrified trees without disturbing the strata? Now, the mere fact that you're thinking and wondering about the massive attempt at brainwashing that you're being confronted with should serve to alert you to a wicked mastermind behind the deception and the Bible tells you that his name is satan, but you thought you were too smart to believe in him. Yet you were too stupid to see how gullible you've been for how many years! These liars are evolutionists solely to despise the Word of God for there is not one single fact of science that proves any aspect of evolution and you'd know that if you used your brain and the Internet for honest research! These trees *PROVE* that the liars who preach evolution are _lying through their teeth_ and it also proves the media is owned by the wicked because they won't tell you the truth. If you're not too stupid to open a KZbin account, then you can see that the flood was the only way to get these trees in their positions. If you're not too stupid to breathe, then you can see why the media won't tell you about these trees that prove evolution is a stupid man's stupid idea and the entire agenda is to brainwash the world so that you will be their fools and allow them to take over all the governments with their financial power and make you their serfs. What have you just learned, halfwit? That both those who "educate" you and "inform" you are both evil liars who have brainwashed you. The biggest question for a halfwit like you is "Why?" The answer is that Christians don't take to servitude well, because they understand the power of prayer, the power of God, the power of godliness and righteousness and *they don't make good serfs!* But, being the pawn and fool you are, you've never bothered to suspect that the wicked have long been working on making you their servant. It's way past time to wake up. You have the Internet and no excuses. Now, if you're a fool, you'll run to talk.origins or some other idiot's site to attempt to find a plausible excuse to continue justifying your rebellion against God because you love your sin. It's all plain as day.

[@GarySellars]

+667Gullin Just imagine if you had either intelligence or knowledge of the facts on your side. As it is, you're left as an ignorant idiot.

[@skat5268]

And now Britain has a big issue with knives and knife attacks...

[@cardiffpicker1]

Not as bad as America ,yet

[@your_waifu_hates_you]

@@cardiffpicker1 not as bad as the us because crime usually correlate with big cities and the us had more big cities per capita then the UK also remember most homicide 80% of it in the us are drugs and gang related

[@cardiffpicker1]

@@your_waifu_hates_you that isn't true though

[@Finch-lh6lk]

@@cardiffpicker1 no. It's worse.

[@cardiffpicker1]

@@Finch-lh6lk America still has more people per capita killed by stabbings than the UK

[@goneaway6291]

From my cold dead hands! Enough said. Love the NRA.

[@noahway13]

It will be easy to take it from your cold dead hands with a tank sitting on your body.

[@xfiles9302]

“Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks,” Lott told me. “A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned.”

[@danp129]

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson Allowing the government to infringe on the right to bear arms is allowing tyranny. This has been proven time and time again throughout history.

[@johanisnotagamer]

But they're never used against the government. We've been convinced to use them against eachother.

[@noahway13]

They believe they are holding the government and the top military in the world at bay with an AR-15 and a 4x4... @@johanisnotagamer

[@boblobjok]

Come on uk! Fight for your God given rights!

[@3558035580]

***** What crap this is. Who wants to have a weekly massacre in a school, workplace or movie theatre, only US idiots.

[@ourorboros2]

Hiram Hackenbacker who wants to have 9000+ gun murders a year, who wants to have every pathetic thug has a handgun, who wants to have that loud drunk twat at the pub causing a scene have a handgun?

[@boblobjok]

None of that would happen if more good citizens conceal carried a firearm to protect themselves and other people.

[@ourorboros2]

boblobjok it doesn't happen in countries with strict gun laws and no carry rights. it does happen in america, with more guns than people, very relaxed gun laws and lots of concealed carry permit holders. its only americans who can look at that these two facts and automatically claim that more guns will solve the issue...

[@3558035580]

boblobjok Yeah we can all walk around like the wild west and kids should have their own weapons at school. that would make things safer. How about we all drive tanks that would make it safer still according to your deluded logic.

[@ldkusa71]

Gun rights must have looked real good to both the unarmed police officers and the innocent bystanders who helplessly watched while two crazy Muslims nearly decapitated that poor British soldier on the street while waiting for the armed police unit. (Rolling eyes)

[@quagmire475]

Well no, The decapitated the man, then ran at the police, who shot both of them. The police on the scene having very inaccurate pistols wouldn't have changed a thing. Except probably killed them,

[@nathaniel2026]

Keeping the guns must look real good to the us whilst they watched their children slaughter by one man with an assault rifle. Not forgetting all of the others. Yeh guns did you a HUGE favour. Over 30 children dead. I think 30+ kids to 1 man is on another level. R.I.P lee rigby. And all the victems of mass shootings.

[@thomasdaily4363]

ME - You've come to get my guns? Sorry, lost them in a boating accident

[@warriorpatriotcl]

Why surrender your guns? I don't understand. Just like in Connecticut, where they stood in line to register their guns! There has to be a line drawn in the sand, or they will keep rolling over you and your rights!

[@MarineAqua45]

Because if they were stupid & didn't the police would take it by force from them & jail & or fine that's why & they would probably be barred for life from ever owning a gun again, if they got put inside for 3 years or more.No private gun in Britain or in Australia is permitted, without a license.

[@warriorpatriotcl]

+MarineAqua45 how about the people join together and fight to keep their rights. i would assume there was more armed people then there are police! fight now with guns, or fight later without them? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson

[@warriorpatriotcl]

+667Gullin I have no idea what anatomy has to do with the argument. if we didn't have our God given right of self preservation, that's confirmed by our Bill of Rights we would be under complete tyranny, instead of soft tyranny

[@warriorpatriotcl]

+667Gullin you may not know if there is a God or not, but I doubt that you don't believe in God. if we was under complete tyranny, we wouldn't be having this conversation. why get a license? the anti gun crowd will not quit until we are completely unarmed.

[@Focus-jh5wn]

Jesus Christ, you paranoid fuck. No one is trying to fuck with your way of life nor your rights. The republicans aka the right, literally gave away *ALL* American citizens rights and privacy through the nsa and internet surveillance and wiretapping and phone surveillance laws, and loopholes around warrants and persecution the US government has passed,. If I sound paranoid, at least I'm worried about something that *ACTUALLY and ALREADY* happened. Whereas the right is paranoid over something that hasnt happened, losing their rights. No one is attempting to take them for you. The left and right are both united and benefit from their rights and liberties, together. But no one *needs* assault rifles and automatic weapons. The constitution was written when they did not exist and the weapons then shot slower than a God damn turtle fucking.

[@strikevipermkII]

We almost have this in the US, right now. Just look at California.

[@TylerB-my1kr]

Benjamin Schroeder don’t comply

[@tyree9055]

Move! Run away from the Left Coast! ✌😄

[@workingjoe5599]

@@tyree9055 not the entire left coast, Florida got rid of firearms restrictions

[@tyree9055]

@@workingjoe5599 How 'bout Georgia? It used to be you could openly (?) carry from Virginia to Florida, but not in GA. Once I-95 reaches D.C. and places north, you're just f'ed and have to follow the Federal guidelines to travel with a firearm through "safe zone central." 🙄

[@xhag1x]

Little did they know that 11 years form then they would ban butter knives

[@smoothoperator6507]

Liberty once gone is gone forever. 😢

[@Planet-Bertie]

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” - George Orwell

[@MrLawman82]

Never register - Never.

[@zygguy]

Great video! I hope the Americans get the message and fight for their right to bear firearms.

[@apachewolf1132]

I remember when this happened and it was a crime against not only the citizens of Great Britain but also a crime against the world.

[@aadrianlee]

FaceBook .. England Wants its guns back .. Join the fight ( ;

[@wteuscher85]

Pro Gun is pro responsibility, pro private ownership, pro liberty...

[@yourredcomrade717]

If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

[@tyree9055]

Amen! 🙏

[@nickshuler6633]

They gave up their freedom, so they deserve nothing,

[@jamesh1758]

Mate we can still do everything you Americans can. The majority of people here just don’t like guns the same as Americans

[@qasimmir7117]

JamesH17 That doesn’t mean the government should make the decision for us by enacting it into law.

[@MarineAqua45]

Have you heard of a bolt-action rifle? Heard of a Lee Enfield .303 & a Steyr SSG69? Both are bolt-actions, both are legal in OZ & in the UK & one is a sniper rifle & both could be used by a crazy sniper, like Scorpio out of Dirty Harry.Results,the '96 ban hasn't changed anything. Killers use whatever they prefer to use. Cumbrian killer Derek Bird used an old double-barrelled shotgun & a .22 rifle, because,thats what he prefered. This my friend is the truth of the matter.

[@dustincochrane7981]

The united states should help the great people of england have their firearms back into their hands. I will put Mich effort and word around to see this happen

[@dustincochrane7981]

Dentures Ventures In the united states we have the NRA and its been a great organization fighting to keep our rights. I understand your feeling of lack of security to protect yourself and family I know how strictly england has become. If it comes to you having to leave england to become a U.S citizen I would. We have a very strong nation of gun owners and millions of us are willing to fight and die to keep them. If were you I would try to inform people about an organization or look for one and spread the message get as many people as possible to join and make donations for the organization. Just like our NRA they use our money to make cases at courts all over the nation and they have given us great firearm freedoms we have what you call concealed carry for handguns and its a permit to carry a concealed handgun. And we have open carry which does not require a permit at all. You have to take it to the politicians and let them know you will not vote for them NRA has their website of politicians with grades on gun laws they rate them from A to F and F mean failed no good to vote for them and it has put the fear of god in our politicians because they know if you have a bad reputation with the NRA grade approval they know the people will not vote for them and I think that would be a first step for England because I know by this point in their hearts they want a feeling of security

[@dustincochrane7981]

***** a bat won't do much good when you got a mob of 100 to 500 people or even thousand yeah why do you think the riots don't happen in the U.S where guns are in every hand of a citizen because they know they will get their ass shot so they behave

[@GarySellars]

667Gullin You're an idiot. It's that simple. That tells me that you're a fornicator too, because sexual sin invites demonic oppression and self-deception.

[@ldkusa71]

+Dustin Cochrane It would be better if the NRA gives British gun rights supporters advice on how to form a British version of the NRA and let the British citizens fight their own battle for gun rights.

Gunfags are so pathetic. Cowardly dunces trying to tell real people in civilisation how to live. Ridiculous.

[@xfiles9302]

Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances - from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. - where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.

[@TacticalPatriot-hd7hl]

MOLON LABE!!!!!!!!

[@geebee3563]

Several years ago, I conversed with an Great Britain citizen, on line, about the state of the world. To make a long story short, he (or she) made a condemning retort about how much better Great Britain was vs the USA CAUSE GB had banned guns. I re-educated that person of the Lend Lease Doctrine. That the US rearmed the UK in their fight against Nazi Germany. This was because GB had banned firearms to be held the common citizen. That person's reply was that the Lend Lease Doctrine was unnecessary I countered that Churchill begged the USA for weapons support. That person had no idea what I was talking about. Once again, the uninformed, are victims not of their own history, but the trivial BS shoveled by political correctness. Durring our internet conversation, I finally advised her that guns were illegal in GB cause, an armed citizenry was a threat to The Crown. That an armed citizenry could rise up & demand change. That person then went off line.

+Gee Bee You should contact that person and apologise to them for your pathetic dumb lies. You stupid gullible types are a fucking curse. Propaganda isn't factual you mindless dupe.

+Michael Bond They're a nation of fucking morons. They get pre programmed with horseshit when they're in elementary and the dumb incurious bastards never bother figuring out the truth. The fucking nonsense they get taught instead of history would make Goebbels blush.

+Michael Bond For a bunch who claim to not trust the gubmint they have no problem accepting everything they're told in the gubmint history books. A history both republicans and democrats agree is true, so it must be true then.

+Michael Bond A) They have no clue because they just don't have enough fingers to count that high. and B) Indoctrination. The commies are going to nuke everyone worked for years and years, then the budget started to decline but now it's higher than it ever was. They abandoned NORAD and now they're moving back in. 26,000 is the number of PR consultants the Pentagon has on the payroll and they only work inside the US.

+Michael Bond They think they are an empire and they're going to conquer the world so you have to have a big military. They never stop to wonder why they are the only country still playing that game. Empire went the same way as dreadnoughts. The purpose of empire is to get raw materials from and produce value added finished goods for the colonies. The Chinese have that without bothering with a ridiculously expensive military and colonial administration. The last days of the US is copying the last days of Rome. A decadent lazy population and a huge budget for mercenaries draining the treasury.

[@millwallWeFearNoFoe]

America you have to fight don't give up like we did in the u.k otherwise we're all fucked.God bless you & NEVER GIVE UP

[@joegambino9792]

Thanks for the kind words of encouragement and I hope you guys can somehow overturn that gun control and get your guns back. If I ever become president, we'll invade and free you guys from that oppressive communistic regime.

[@millwallWeFearNoFoe]

jimmy johnson i fear its too late for us, no going back now they just keep taking our rights away bit by bit & all the sheeple think the gov will watch out for them ha ha it would be laughable if it were'nt a matter of life & death thats why it is very important that you stand together, watch out for the false flag thats needed for their next step but the power is with you all if you stick together & fight them every step of the way as they try to limit your ammo,take certain calibre guns each 1 another step towards disarmement, please america do what we could'nt or would'nt & maybe we might yet get to fire a gun with out it being a criminal offense,its funny as the criminals are the only 1's it seems with the right to bear arms now bs, i pray for you all & never take a backward step,stick together & don't be bs'd by gov puppets who don't give a shit about us the peasants/slaves but the american people can & will affect change.GOD BLESS YOU AMERICA

[@jimjackle2739]

Alan West Did your gun control keep the criminals from getting guns? There's more illegal guns in the UK than ever before. All it did was restrict guns from the law abiding people or the good people. Now you have a society where guns are controlled by the bad guys on the street and the bad guys in government.

[@millwallWeFearNoFoe]

wayne wilson Correct.

[@millwallWeFearNoFoe]

Alan West This is about us the people against all the hypocritical corpgov puppets with their do as i say not as i do mentality whether it be in the guise of limiting ammo,calibre's all they want is to disarm us, we'll be easier to handle, all the while blowing 7 shades of shit out of people over a barrel of oil,killing over 3000 people (own people 911) & numerous other slaughters then got the cheek to want your guns!! wtf you need them to protect against depopulation .The police in london are in the process of trying to buy watercannon to help with civil disorder such as protests against themselves i.e the gov,banks,etc as the peasants get restless so lets not be divided we the people have the power if we stick together & learn from each other & never be divided knowledge=power

[@krishnan-resurrection714]

spot on ...Americans ..hang on to your guns . . . .You really dont want to see Britain now !!!

[@paramanicireland8199]

I know Brits don't want to hear this, but I fail to see the logic behind the gun ban. Even before the ban, the uk had some of the worlds strictest regulations on guns, it would be impossible for a criminal to legally aquire guns.

[@nathaniel2026]

What about a criminal who hadn't been caught. Also why would a criminal buy it legaly. Your comment was stupid and not thought through. Impossible my arse!

[@mikebreen2890]

4 eyed Killer He said it was impossible to buy it legally, you then say the could buy it illegally and so it's not impossible and so Panoramic is stupid?! Strange logic you are using there. And his point is valid. The gun ban effected certain types of weapons legally held by licenced shooting club members. The fact this would only effect a TINY proportion of the UK population (despite this video suggesting otherwise) of responsible gun owners was the very defence used to try and stop the regulation. So why did the regulation go through? Because one of those licence gun club members had just gone on a rampage through a school killing sixteen children and one teacher.

[@MarineAqua45]

+Mike Breen yes but Thomas Hamiltons mental state & his obsession with control over boys was questionable years before the massacre happened & he got his licence renewed because his friend was the Assistant chief constable. Anywhere else he would have been banned. Two of Hamiltons guns were illegal. There's more to this than what meets the eye. Most people in his club thought of him as a weirdo & complained about him to the police & even the police themselves made complaints to their superiors, with one constable referring to him as ' a fuckin nutter'& CID was investigating him. Someone's covered up something. With this amount of complaints it should have given the police good grounds to seize his guns, but they didn't & he had no reason to own over a thousand & a half rounds of ammo, as he didn't belong to a club- he got kicked out several.If he got kicked out, the club would have told the police & nothing happened.

[@mikebreen2890]

MarineAqua45 Your right of course. Hamilton should never have had his licence and what should have happened is some heads should have rolled for allowing the bloody weirdo to keep his licence and his guns. The system should have been tightened up and made to work as it should have been. That's what should have happened in 1997. The banning of one type of gun from the remaining licence holders achieved nothing other than some brownie points for politicians. If someone fancies going on a shooting spree today, he can. The US gun nuts who run around proclaiming that the gun ban increased crime or did not work are completely full of shit, frankly. The ban did what it was intended to do. If other people thought it was meant to achieve something g else that it never could, that's their problem.

[@perfectplay11]

They've failed to interview any Australians with a healthy complement of chromosomes

[@webdesignerguy]

For people saying UK citizens are being oppressed, the cops here don't carry guns either. Last year we had just 1 police shooting, and the year before that none at all.

[@webdesignerguy]

***** The murder rate in America is roughly 4 times higher than in Britain.

[@webdesignerguy]

***** Those statistics have been debunked a million times. The confusion is due to the fact that the legal definition of "violent crime" is wildly different in each country. In the U.S, it refers to four specific crimes: "murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault". The UK definition covers all "crimes against the person". This includes "assault without injury, harassment, causing public fear, alarm, or distress" and numerous other minor offenses. Those are the official FBI and Home Office definitions. Do you really think it makes sense that America would have a far higher murder rate, and yet be a much less violent society?

[@webdesignerguy]

***** PS The murder rate statistic takes into account the different population sizes. The UK has a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000. The US has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000.

[@11B30Inf]

webdesignerguy UNITED KINGDOM CASE STUDY “Most violent country in EU” POSSESSION OF HANDGUNS IS ILLEGAL 2,034 VIOLENT CRIMES PER 100,000 PEOPLE IN UK vs 466 VIOLENT CRIMES PER 100,000 PEOPLE IN USA In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!

[@webdesignerguy]

***** I'm getting so bored of debunking that misleading statistic. The title "Most violent country in EU" and the statistics you cite come from a British tabloid newspaper (the Daily Mail), not any official source. The US FBI definition of "violent crime" is: "murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault." The UK Home Office definition is: "Violent crimes are those where the victim is intentionally stabbed, punched, kicked, pushed, jostled, etc. or threatened with violence whether or not there is any injury." Clearly these statistics refer to different categories of crimes. Furthermore, the murder rate in the US is 4 times higher than in the UK (4.8 per 100,000 per year, vs 1.2 per 100,000 per year). You can see a full comparison of specific violent crimes like murder and rape in the US and UK here: rayrayallday.com/2013/01/11/the-difference-between-us-uk-violent-crime-rates-depends-on-definition-of-violent-crime/ Every time I hear a gun rights activist trotting out these false statistics about the UK, I loose a little more respect for the movement.

[@trikstari7687]

The problem here is that you complied with this irrational and amoral legislation. No one should have turned their guns in, what would the government do? whine about no one complying with the law?

[@zaqtoorthemighty]

A pro-gunner from the UK? Glad to have you on board.

[@tbwil]

I see a lot of agitated Brits leave comments on threads like this one accusing the NRA of lies and deception. They lament "oi, those demonstrations didnt happen in 1997" as if that is the premise of the vid. The title lays it out perfectly clear, this vid highlights the events that happened to British folks when their society became conditioned over the years to accept limits on their ability to own firearms and thus became apathetic about their rights. The ground work for changing the paradigm regarding British gun ownership began in the 1920's in small steps that progressed in increments throughout the 1900's, not in 1997 when it was practically over, which is why by '97 there was nothing left but apathy and a willing public. Gun control doesnt work, it only changes the method of the carnage, and conditions the public to want more of it as a solution when it doesnt stop the next horrific event ...like those 5 people stabbed last week.

[@marcdenen6160]

Church of England now calling for a ban on pointy knives. Subjects of the queen.

[@---wl3bi]

America arrests people for jaywalking, yeah the lack of perspective is staggering

[@murraymarshall5865]

Many of the people interviewed are Australian not British, the majority in Britain wanted the firearm laws tightened, isn’t that democracy in action?

[@iewnauq7]

did you guys have the Cumbria shootings about 2 years ago?

[@kroyweb4140]

The Tree Of Liberty Must Be Refreshed …………..

[@davidhughes4302]

And I bet they didn’t pay you shit they just took them from you and you let them

[@Trainiac8492]

strange how quiet you get when presented with facts

[@donaldkjenstad1129]

Such a far right expression is not a way to argue a position.

[@thedarkdestroyer5063]

Please NRA come help us in England.

[@shownowt]

Never, never, never give up (your guns) : Winston Churchill

[@johnathanberyllium8760]

I want to see what happens if they pull something like that in Switzerland.

[@thomaswilson7655]

What many people are unaware of is that the NRA has equivocated previously in my own lifetime. In 1968, then President LBJ among the last things which he did before leaving office was to sign into law the Firearms Control Act of 1968 and the NRA had a "place-at-the-table" then making suggestions and rendering opinions as if our Second Amendment Rights were a bargaining chip to negotiate with the Federal Government about. This was where the BATF came from. This is where the NRA let us all down and it has done it before this back in the 1930's and '40's. I belong to Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. This historical inconsistency about NRA was what made me switch to an organization which reflected my values as a Gun Owner.

[@thomaswilson7655]

How incredibly obtuse their liberal gun control people are! Criminals will always have access to guns, they don't abide by any known rule of law! DUH!

[@donaldkjenstad1129]

We don't let you torture others either.

[@jeroendesterke9739]

OK, which one of you recognized Jan Stevenson - Editor of "Handgunner" and writer extraordinaire?

[@MarineAqua45]

Yes,I certainly am & thanks for the comment.Im enjoying whats left of shooting sports in the UK.

[@celticjay2306]

JEWS

[@TRIMISIS]

So do I.

[@MrBstuy]

Lol. What happened to their promise of a safer society? Lol.

[@BigFreakingCacodemon]

*keep our guns:

[@ourorboros2]

"i''ve pointed you to the data compiled by your own government and it shows that you're wrong." ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2013/stb-crime--period-ending-march-2013.html#tab-Introduction that is the latest report on crime as compiled by my government, this is the same report i have referenced and mentioned in almost every post. the fact of the matter is; these are the official statistics and they do not agree with what you claim.

[@ourorboros2]

"Look at all crime." which i have done and already mentioned the fact that its the lowest its been since 1981. as for how it compares with america, while violent crime may be higher over here its only because of differences in how violent crime is defined, namely the fact that america only recognises 4 offences as being violent while we recognise over 40, if you compare them on an individual basis ours much, much lower.

[@mistertruth1947]

I am 66 have lived in London all my life. I do not know anyone who has ever owned a gun or wanted to own a gun, so yes you are wrong. They did have fairground rifle shooting. I have never seen off duty soldiers or cadets walking about with their service rifles. I would have thought it was illegal unless they are training. I am not intolerant of guns. I am astounded by the ease at which they fall into the wrong hands in America. Sensible control is needed.

[@MarineAqua45]

This video (Although poorly-made )is about loss of freedoms,due to tragedies involving guns & the subsequent bans that followed,in similar countries to America.It showed people in the UK mainland, in Australia not standing up for their rights properly & getting trodden on & the message is that the same could happen in the USA,if people flutter about. Britain was safer in the pre-ban days,with less restrictions,etc like in the 1950s.You never saw Teds,Mods &Rockers using stolen pistols did you?

[@BulletArc47]

A crime is a crime regardless of the what item used. Because one or two individuals have committed gross atrocities doesn't everybody will use their guns for evil. I'm not going to quote statistics because both sides are biased. You don't like them that's okay. It's a shame you so fearful, I'm the sure you would sacrifice the very air you breath to feel safe, and before you start I don't think guns make you safer, but strict restriction, doesn't stop violet crime. And that's the end of it.

[@mistertruth1947]

The USA has a murder rate 5 times that of England.... The USA has more mass shootings than the whole of Europe and Asia added together.... Criminals can buy guns through gun stores....If guns made you safe the USA would be the safest place on earth and not one of the top countries for gun deaths, right up there with lawless and 3rd world countries... That will do for starters and I will look forward to your answers.

[@zaqtoorthemighty]

By your own scenario, do you hand the man a knife? We have 88 guns per 100 people here in the US and still only twice the firearm to non-firearm homicides. For the other 4,000 homicides we see a year, the exact scenario is one where a gun wasn't present even though we have so many. The murder rates in Washington DC proved that when people want to kill, they tend to do so, even when "inconvenienced". But people do defend themselves with guns as well, why remove that right based on "maybe"?

[@ourorboros2]

tackling the root issue is important, that doesn't mean that you should still continue to allow people easy access to weapons and increased lethality. if you have a problem with your car where the breaks dont work, its not a valid response to keep driving it untill you figure out whats stopping the breaks from working. you tackle the immediate problem(the breaks not working/massive gun crime) and then sort out the underlying cause.

[@ourorboros2]

small list of crimes recorded as violent in England but not violent in america: -all forms of sexual assault other than rape. -attempted murder. -harassment -conspiracy to murder -possession of a weapon or dangerous substance -causing public fear -endangerment -possession of an item to endanger life -pushing or shoving the list goes on, its not simply renaming, we record more offences as violent, its not very hard to understand.

[@zaqtoorthemighty]

The thing is though, that's also what happens in a lot of the non-firearms murders we have, not at all premeditated, just something that snowballs out of control. Removing all the guns wouldn't stop that from happening. We have twice as many murders with guns as without... two thirds isn't a vast majority. The trick here, I think, is to look to the root cause, and ask why is it that some places in the U.S. have massively high crime rates when others don't.

[@ourorboros2]

gun control isn't meant to stop all murders but it does help lessen it by decreasing the ease of access to lethality. being able to take a life should not be as simple as just moving your finger and what the stats show is that most of the gun murders are not premeditated, theyre just arguments which got out of hand in the heat of the situation. and yes you do have more non-firearm related murders but thats not a reason to overlook the vast majority of murders being caused by easy access to guns

[@dogkok12]

I never said eliminating guns from society will stop murder, only that it removes the tool of choice for most mass murders. Look at America with its murder rate five times higher than Australia, the majority commited with a firearm, I understand what you are saying about people finding a way to kill, but if gun control didn't work then Australia and America would have similar murder rates. Well, they don't and they are not even close.

[@zaqtoorthemighty]

If the murder rate in America was caused by the ease of access to firearms then the question becomes "why are we seeing more non-firearm murders than countries with strict gun control?" your country has one quarter the murder rates that we do? I don't doubt that, but since one third of our murders are done with weapons other than guns, we have more non-firearm murders than you do altogether. So, if our countries are so similar, then what gives? Gun control doesn't stop those murders now do they?

[@MarineAqua45]

Yes,well unfortunately back in the days,the gun lobby were divided & never supported each other & it was easy for antis to implement legislation.Although in Britain progress has been made the damage has been done.To these people they see guns as killing machines,not as sporting tools.They also don't recognise sports shooting as a sport & if you ban the sport,you ban the "good reason for ownership".This country has too many do-gooders in it.

[@MarineAqua45]

Really?Well I think you have bypassed the Monash University campus massacre in 2002.The legislation after Port Arthur never stopped Monash from happening & no amount of legislation will ever stop any gun massacre from happening again.Category C&D users could easily misuse their guns.I also don't see guns being banned outright in Australia.In the UK our bans never prevented Whitehaven & when it was learnt what guns were used,no one made a big deal about it, cos the antis tolerated these guns.

[@MarineAqua45]

Even in the old days when cartridge-pistols were legal,those two would never have gotten licenses.They wouldn't have gone anywhere near a police station to get an application form unless they were stupid & would have been caught.The process takes months,with extensive CRB checks,etc.They were known to The Home Office & The Home Office controls firearms licensing,along with individual police forces.We do have guns in our society,held by legitimate users.The 1968 Firearms Act is strict enough.

[@xfiles9302]

Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. “Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a ‘helpless-victim zone,’” says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. “Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage,”

[@ourorboros2]

Fact: violent crime has fallen 53% since 1995 Fact: homicide is the lowest its been in 30 years Fact: the only reason "violent crime" is higher in the UK than America is simply due to differences in which crimes are perceived as violent, the UK including over 48 seperate offences plus all sexual assaults whereas america only counting 4. compared on an individual basis violent crime in the UK is much lower than in america.

[@TungstenKid]

I'm a Brit and anybody can legally get a gun here IF they're squeaky-clean with no police record. First you have to join an approved gun club and use their guns on their range for a probationary period of several months. Then you apply to the police for a Firearms Certificate, they'll do background checks on you and ask the gun club what they think of you, and if you check out okay they'll grant you a certificate and you can go buy a gun..:)

[@needguncontrol]

So I pulled over this big-shot wannabe with a shouldered .38. He hands me his permit with a smirk. I threw it away. He said something, I handcuffed him, spit in his face and kicked him in the balls. I kicked him in the ass when I tossed him in the backseat. Should have seen this badass whimpering. ALL CCW’s are like this - take away their guns, and you take away their courage. If you’re a CCW looking for a fight, you found it -right here!!

[@L3monwedges]

Ive lived in those areas too and fortunately have never been attacked either, but I still want a gun. But the point of having a gun is not to defend yourself from just other guns. They are to defend you from any kind of crime. Get the picture. Plus those people with gated houses are the ones calling for stricter gun control because they've never had to defend themselves. And they're having a knee jerk reaction to the shootings. They never even thought about guns before then probably.

[@zivkovicable]

I live in what is considered an inner city high crime neighbourhood (by UK standards), & defending myself against someone with a gun never comes up, as i've never seen one. None of my friends or family have ever been threatened by a gun. A gun going off even without hitting someone makes the news here. Get the picture? I have also lived in the US, where even so called safe areas have gated housing, & large parts of most bigger cities have whole neighbourhoods that are no go to law enforcement.

[@zivkovicable]

You're not really listening are you? The UK crime rate is much much lower to begin with, & is falling faster than in the US. Crimes In the UK are recorded differently. Touching someone inappropriately is counted as a violent crime for instance. Not in the US. Same with snatching a bag. Crime is dropping across the developed world. The big one of course is UK murder rates - 11 per million. USA murder rate - 49 per million. So your nearly five times as likely to meet a violent end than I am.

[@zivkovicable]

The FBI defines violent crime as : Murder & non-negligant manslaughter, forcible rape or robbery, & aggravated assault. The British Home Office has a much wider definition that includes ALL "crimes against the person," including simple assaults, all robberies, & all "sexual offences". Coincidentally, the 2011/12 England & Wales crime stats were released yesterday, showing that the number of violent incidents had halved from their peak in 1995, & all reported crime down 8% from 2011 to 2012.

[@L3monwedges]

So what, Britain has over 4000 violent crimes per 100,000 people as opposed to the US which has 400 violent crimes per 100,000 people. Statistically, the US is a safer place to live. And I guarantee you that the vast majority of gun death in America occur in metropolitan areas with strict gun control. Gun sales have risen in this country even as crime has steadily gone down for years. How do you explain that?

[@marshallhazul6086]

*sigh* this arguement is always so boring. You do realize that the size of Great Britain proportionally to the United States would be very very easy to prove my point. Per 100,000 people in 2009, United States had 3,466 crimes total, and Britain 5,378. This is the acquisition rate of crime, regardless of what type, what crime, and how it is committed. You can't sit around and say, "this is just violent crime" it's not, it's overall crime, and you just need to sit down for a second and think.

[@ourorboros2]

here's just a short list of crimes which we class as violent which are apparently thought harmless in america: -conspiracy to murder -threatening someone -harrasment -endangerment -causing public fear -possession of a weapon/dangerous substance -causing death by reckless driving or driving while high/drunk -poisoning -neglect of a child and so on and so forth, hell, even just pushing someone during an argument is classed as a "violent crime", over half of which results in no injury anway.

[@awexaex1784]

Yeah... cept the violent crime rate is 3.2% the most dangerous in the European Union. The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU. It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain. The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU. It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

[@MarineAqua45]

Absolutely spot on there,but there's a problem:We have too many people who don't understand shooting-sports,who watch too many fillms,which portray guns in a bad way & stupidly believe that shooting sports shouldn't exist & listen to liars from pressure groups bending the truth about it all.Gillian on the video is a prime example of such a person.A hypocrite too,get handguns banned,but still allow break-action rifles & shotguns to be held under tighter conditions.Similar to Rebecca Peters policy

[@MarineAqua45]

Whats sanity got to do with anything?Many people owned handguns & others for years without any massacres.Already bolt-action & lever-action rifles are still legal & there's no crime involved with them & no one has gone mad with say a Winchester 1894 cowboy-era rifle.These things are as deadly as any handgun & are still legal.What this person wants is for the laws to be as they were,from 1968 until 1989.I say at least have them stored in Bisley or on other secure premises,like a TA army base.

[@TimmyHowles]

I personally believe the manner in which you obtain firearms is more significant than the kind of firearms you own. Obtaining a firearms license, as we do in the UK is the best way to ensure that only people who are safe to own weapons, own them. As such you should have to "earn" the "right" to own firearms but should not be restricted in which firearms you own. It's like driving a car, you wouldn't trust someone without a license driving on their own.

[@MarineAqua45]

This is exactly the reason why certain people want guns banned,because people like you give all the decent users a bad name,by portraying a negative picture of gunowners being cranks,etc.If you turned up at any shooting club or hired-range in the UK(Including an airgun club)& told the people there this,you'd be shown the door & banned for life & rightly so.Also the police would be informed & in some cases so would local gunshops too.We don't need or want your sort,associated with us,thank you.

[@MarineAqua45]

Hitler never came to Britain,during WW2.He came to Britain,years before WW2,as a tourist,visiting some distant relations over here,from what The History channel documentary said.We beat his Luftwaffe in The Battle Of Britain & he cancelled Operation Sealion.He attacked Russia instead.What you probably meant to say was:You would of had a fit,if Hitler came marching down your street,after he had conqured Great Britain.Well he didn't,so its irrelevant.If his army tried to invade,we had defenses.

[@davijeph]

Ist Are the FBI crime statistics just that the FBI violent crime figures or the total violent crime figures for all 50 States? Given that all 50 States have differing views on what is a violent crime I think you will find those statistics are useless to compare other countries figures with it. If I remember correctly they show the Austria as more violent crime than the US? Austria is one of the most quite well run, low crime nations in the world and if you had ever been there you would know.

[@davijeph]

I made my true colours obvious from the start I'm very much against having guns of any shape or type (including spud guns) made available to the public unless there a working reason to have one example farmers and then only under the strictest of conditions. Wanting to have something as deadly as a handgun let alone a SLR or assault rifle made available to the general public is madness. You like make holes in pieces of paper from a distance take up darts and shout bang when you throw one.

[@MarineAqua45]

Oh I see,well its a reasonable request anyway.No,actually farmers are classed as "professional users" whom need them in safes at home,as home is a business.The same for estate managers,pest-controllers,etc,etc.Well you my friend have just shown your true colours on the subject & the antis won,because the majority of people were sheep & not shooters.The weapons that I was referring to,for storage,were handguns & SLRs,not working-guns.So are you against every type of private firearms?

[@MarineAqua45]

I agree,but as Ive said centrally-storing them,with a premium surcharge,paid towards their upkeep in an armoury,discourages most undesirables.Only serious people,like Olympic athletes will own them.This is the case for classic pistols which were spared from the handgun ban.Theft of handguns was minimal before the ban anyway & security of them isn't a problem.Thomas Hamilton the Dunblane killer was given a renewed license,because he was the Cheif Constables mate & many people objected to it.

[@MarineAqua45]

You don't have to have a background like John Prescotts or Derek Hattons to be a leftie.You can be an Oxford don & still be a leftie.The term leftie thesedays,isn't a term given to the traditional working-man MP,its given to the trendy-Brigade,those middle & Upper-Class persons whom have militant streaks in them,like Tony Benn & Micheal Foot(Remember he wore a donkey Jacket & had a posh voice).Lord Cullen suggested central storage & the GCN pushed for the ban.Central-storage could of worked.