Nreal Air/Light indefinitely powered with J5Create USB4 (JCD401)

I found this new awesome and first of it['s kind small form factor USB 4 hub by J5Create. The JCD401 USB4® Dual 4K Multi-Port Hub can output usbc displayport alt mode video on it's downstream usbc port while being powered with usbc Power Delivery.
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[@LA-qv1ir]

Thanks for this. More power to your channel! Subbed!

[@LazyTeeRex]

Thank you, needed something that would let me use an external drive while using my NReal on my phone & steam deck 👍

[@anthonybologna4015]

Hey, thanks for going out and finding this. I've seen a lot of posts from others trying different ports out with no luck. It's too bad it's kinda pricey.

[@allinvr]

Almost every solution I have found was Thunderbolt 4. This is the first actual USB 4 solutiion I foumd. In fact,I think it's the first USB 4 hub to come out. I alao think that's why it cheaper and why it can be powered by usnc power delivery. Likely we should see cheaper one's come out by other manufacturers.

[@justinspirational]

This is a more cost effective solution kzbin.infojwuz9kyGjrQ?feature=share

[@wsteelenyc]

@@justinspirational Thanks for the video. I've been aware of that for a while, but it's only available for order from China and ordering from China to the US can be problematic, so some people like to have more options. Theres also some added benefits to using a hub such as the ability to plug in additional peripherals at the same time.

[@thankforsharingable]

Thank you for your effort, huge help 🙏 for many people

[@krisadams7100]

Thanks for the help. Great video 👍🏻

[@Ghostviperz]

I see my self in you and I appreciate the process cool video useful info thanks.

[@SahilYousif]

Thanks for this video, really helpful. I'm thinking of getting the hub. Do you know if I'll be able to connect a USB webcam to the hub and use it through Dex at the same time as using Nreal glasses?

[@alfredocosta6887]

Can I use this glasses for be autonomus, because I m low vision , but I can see trough a iphone camera, high britless and higher contrast? Tks

[@Fynal666]

It's great that USB 4 solution is working. Now just wait till some cheaper solution will start showing up. Thanks for the video :)

[@allinvr]

I managed to get the hub on amazon fo around $70, so hopefully we'll see it continue to get cheaper.

[@haiderhamzatanvirnasri2545]

So ive got nreal air but my samsung zflip 3 is not compatible . If i get this device will it allow my zflip 3 to connect to the glasses?

[@raczyk]

Whats better display port or hdmi or usbc for video? Like to use it with dex and s24+.

[@roomierfatback]

I couldn't get this to work on my fold 3 or my S7+ tablet. Any tips, or take it back?

[@TMADDC]

Do you have the solution for charging Xreal Beam while connect the Device and Xreal Air?

[@texasfirst3991]

Forgive me if I missed something here, but why not just use the Rokfin Mini Hub? It is literally designed to plug into your phone and lets you have a power source and AR glasses at the same time. It is much smaller and cheaper than this approach. No extra cables either.

[@carolbaroud8856]

What is the power provided by the external batteries in W? Thanks for the video

[@michaelphan3521]

Does the Nreal audio work as expected when connected through this hub?

[@michaelarmani8286]

I tried this and it was a collosal failure S20 ultra + nreal air, powered or not etc.

[@g8939]

Thank you for all the great content. I had a question. Is it possible to use keyboard and mouse in ar spaces?

[@allinvr]

Keyboard yes. Mouse, not yet that I know. I'm waiting for this too!

[@stevo2011sb]

Nreal air user here.. works for my phone and nreal air but for some reason the steam deck shows no video it blacks out screen but does not send image to glasses with this connected works fine with glassses connected directly to deck

[@ryvin1]

I get the same thing on a steam deck

[@MrKaYo323]

Hey boss. Love your video. Just wondering if that HDMI is just out or can I plug a console in there to run. Is that usbc at the tip the only input?

[@allinvr]

Both the HDMI and Displayport are outputs only. There are two usbc ports. One is usbc power delivery in which supplies power to the usb 4 hub/dock itself and the host device that the usbc male plug goes into. The other usbc port can connect to a usbc display device or any usbc accesaory you nay have.

[@MrKaYo323]

@@allinvr What would be your suggestion for passthrough charging while using HDMI to the glasses? I just got mine yesterday. Looking to either play my desktop through the glasses or console. My desktop has a 3080 video card with no USB-C port. Suggestions?

[@Coledini]

What portable charger did you use? I'm having issues finding a wall charger that works and my two portable ones won't do pass through

[@Coledini]

Talked to j5create and best they could tell me is usb4 requires a minimum of 15watts gonna assume my chargers aren't hitting that

[@RobinGersabeck]

Does this support showing output from the HDMI on the glasses? Like if you plug in a Chromecast?

[@allinvr]

The HDMI and Displayport are outputs only. Does that answer your question?

[@beyOSPN]

The hub still work? My old hub worked for just 2 weeks...

[@WilsonBradleyTheOfficial]

Iv'e been trying to get Samsung Dex to work within Quest 2.. Work in progress

[@Zx7o.]

Hi I found your video searching for a way to have the glass be used on or with HDMI devices but stay "powered" indefinitely. Is the HDMI port on this hub bi-directional? 2 ways I'm thinking 🤔 HDMI plugged into this, feeding into either the "Main" USBC cable attached to it or feeding the HDMI signal to the TB4 passthrough USBC port that you have the glasses attached to? I've been trying to find a way to have the glasses be fed from in HDMI "hub" of sorts so I can have like let's say my PC on HDMI 1 then my Nintendo switch on HDMI 2 and then just be able to have the glasses be powered and used indefinitely. My next idea was trying something like a USBC TO HDMI cord that allows for separate power but I don't know if those type of cords are bi-directional HDMI cords. Most of those cords are meant to plug into a phone and put the picture on a TV not take an HDMI signal and pass it through USBC.. I don't know if you would be able to test this but if you do you would be helping me out so much man..

[@allinvr]

Unfortunately the HDMI is not bidirectional. I believe there may be a hdmi to usbc w/power solution, but don't remember what.

[@jeanvazquez752]

Does the j5 create work with gaming ?

[@noone-nr2kk]

For anyone interested: There are multiple posts on the nreal subreddit that this will not work with the Steamdeck.

[@allinvr]

Thanks for the heads up! I'll dig into this further and see if I can figure out why. It works fine with my Samsung S20+ and real light. I'm going to do a more general review of this hub, so I still have a good amount of testing and experimentation to do.

[@TheMillionDollarDropout]

I guess if we want indefinite power for our steam decks we’ll have to keep our steam decks on their steam docks the whole time as we play with a an xbox/DS5 controller right?

[@RolandDobbins]

@@allinvr - the Rokid Air glasses work well with this adaptor & the Steam Deck.

[@RolandDobbins]

@@TheMillionDollarDropout - nope, just use the Rokid Air glasses instead of the Nreals.

[@krisadams7100]

I can get audio to my steam deck with this device but no video. Still works great with my Samsung phone. Waiting for the red magic adapter to ship from China. I Love these glasses.

[@nu870]

Hi Will, Unfortunatley for me, the JCD401 doesn't seem to work with the Nebula app or as a mirrored display for my Sony Xperia 1 III out of the box. The Nreal Air and app is compatible with my Xperia while plugged in directly. However, when you plug the Nreal Air into the JCD401, I get an error message from the Nreal Nebula app "Sorry, The current device is still being adapter and temporarily unavailable. You can: Get AR experiance from other devices: hyperlink" Any fixes that you can think of before I try to return it? Thanks in advance for your time.

[@allinvr]

Are you able to get screen mirroring working? Or does that not work either? The hub requires usb pd power. You have a usbc power supply connected to the usbc pd passthrough port, right? It's also possible that the power you are supplying isn't sufficient depending on what power adapter you are using. Have you tried a few different power bricks?

[@nu870]

@@allinvr Unfortunatly, it doesn't do mirroring either. I deleted the app and tried it again, but it didn't mirror then either. And exactly. I used the power in and the USBC DP Alt Mode out. For power in, I tried a 30W power brick, a 65W Lenovo AC power adapter, and a Zendure power bank which is supposed to have up to 87W output. The phone was charging, but the Nreal Air was not able to display anything.

[@allinvr]

@@nu870 The iconsistency between phones is really strange. I have tested with my samsung galaxy S8, S9 and S20+ and all three work for me. Just out of curiosity, does the HDMI out on the hub work with your sony phone if you connect it to a TV or monitor? Jist trying to get s sense of where the incompatibility might be.

[@nu870]

@@allinvr Both the HDMI and the USBC work with my Xperia. I connected the Xperia to my Lenovo M14 monitor which displays through a USBC DP Alt Mode port and worked fine. It just seems to be the compatibility between the Xperia and the Nreal Air through the port...

[@rwb728]

@@allinvr I did try the Samsung S8 Ultra with the JCD401, I can't get it to work with it. I get the same error message as when I connect it directly. I did use a power brick on the hub but I only have one power brick to test.

[@straighttalk3430]

i wish you would have connected the HDMI to your monitor back there so i could have seen if it would display with would demonstrate to me that the hub i got can be used to do Facebook live with a sony camcorder using the TYPE C connection from the laptop outputting the HDMI to the camcorder :( btw i found 3 of these hubs at the pawn shop for $56 each, the exact same one in your video :D

[@Analog.Digital]

Mine stopped working after 3 days.. The usb-C display out was working fine until i plugged in a USB A HDD and it stopped working afterwards.. When it worked it was great.

[@g8939]

I noticed some image ghosting on my nreal air. I'm thinking about returning them and getting the light instead. Would you recommend them?

[@allinvr]

I haven't noticed ghosting on the light, but I do notice tearing in AR mode with the nebula app. Hopefully they fix that, because it didn't happen when I first bought the Nreal Light.

[@oso_estudioso]

Good Job Desu

[@stevey_z]

This is interesting. im using a wireless samsung 10 ah bank on my s105g with then i plug the wireless charger in if i dont want to run either down

[@ChucknMcNuggets]

Can you keep your phone on a wireless charging device, and have prolonged use, or infinitely? I know it would be a pain on one of those round Samsung chargers, but you could use one of those wireless chargers that cradle your phone for car mounting. That would keep it charging while you access the port, and keep it from falling off the charger.

[@allinvr]

It's won't wireless chage fast enought for AR mode and yeah, it would be a little to clunky for my taste.

[@Whatdotheyhavetohide]

So I’m confused with the Samsung galaxy you don’t need an external power source unless you’re using like an Xbox or PlayStation or an iPhone the galaxy should be plug and play without your adapter and everything else in the way unless I’m wrong 7:13

[@kevinroberts9287]

I am in the uk. Where can I buy one of these?

[@Fynal666]

I found 2 videos showing RedMagic Adapter, it allows charge device and use Nreal. It's smaller then Multi-port Hub and cheaper.

[@allinvr]

It looks like a cool little device, but it's only available in China from what I can see. If I manage to get my hands on one I'll do a review of it.

[@DragonKastle]

@@allinvr the real magic adapter is no longer for sale in the website from original manufacturer . I ordered one a few days ago from eBay, shipping out of China. I don’t know if it’s the same identical one or a knock off. We will see.

[@WilsonBradleyTheOfficial]

The whole Samsung Dex process would work if , someone wrote a spoof Quest 2 app (sideload APK) that would allow input video out from hub to Quest and send register that video is connected. Currently have to a few portable devices, capture, sideloaded camera input android app

[@vincetsoi]

Belkin has a usb c 3.2 gen 2 x 4 hub with pd 100w model AVC018btBK

[@TheTekSone]

thanks for the alternative way to use nreal glasses with power to glasses and device. However, I just found a way to do the same. I am using the Nubia RedMagic Gaming adapter that is for the Nubia RedMagic phone. Small little adapter with USBC power in port, USBC video out port, and 3.5mm headphone jack. Much smaller than a normal hub, like 2in x 1.75in x less than .5in thick. Check it out.

[@wsteelenyc]

Yes, I have a video on that as well.

[@phoenixbyrd79]

I love dex with these and with shadow pc

[@tserreyn]

ended up ordering the JCD403 (8K version), but nebula says "the current device us still being adapted and temporarily unavailable". Samsung Ultra S22, PD working and charging phone (apple PD), ports right with nreal air cable.

[@allinvr]

I haven't tried using it in a while. I'll try on my S20 to see if there's any updates that might have changed things. One thing you can try is to enable usb debugging on your phone. I'll get back to you with what I find out.

[@tserreyn]

@@allinvr follow up JCD401 worked most of the time, JCD403 did NOT work. Jcreate5 support says that it should work, but I presume that there is a difference on how they are implementing the video out between them.

[@allinvr]

​@@tserreyn Ahh! I inititally thought you were talking about the JCD401. They are both USB4, but if you compare the product pages of the two it clearly states that the JCD401 supports display output over USBC whereas that isn't mentioned explicitly for the JCD403. My guess is that it isn't supported out of the USBC port, only the HDMI port on the JCD403... en.j5create.com/products/jcd401#images-5 vs en.j5create.com/products/jcd403#images-4

[@tserreyn]

@@allinvr yeah now the 401 Won’t power anything! And of course no power means no nreal either. The 403 doesn’t seem to drive the video the same either.

[@tserreyn]

@@allinvr yeah I suspect that, but not what their chat support person said. Looks like I’m returning them both.

[@arnavkhanna6611]

Does it have HDMI PORT as well so we can connect windows PC?

[@wsteelenyc]

Yes it does. HDMI and displayport.

[@arnavkhanna6611]

@@wsteelenyc Thanks

[@kevinjct]

Hi, cool video. I am interested in doing this but using a hub which also supports ethernet cable. I want to use the nreal air to stream my pc games to my phone, and want ethernet for reduced latency and better quality.

[@allinvr]

So, you should be able to plug a usb 3 ethernet adapter into one of these hubs. I'll see if I can test that with one I have lying around.

[@mrnigam4486]

Valve Steam deck paired with this nreal might work great ! too many wires makes this messy in this setup

[@pb602]

Yeah I just bought it and tested it and it doesn't work with the Steam Deck and Nreal Air glasses. Only thing it does with the glass is transmit audio without video

[@RolandDobbins]

The Rokid Air glasses work just fine with this adaptor & the Steam Deck, FYI.

[@Alex-lp6bg]

I find the permissions needed for Nebula worrying. Don't you?

[@TheMillionDollarDropout]

Can anyone confirm is this works with the iPhone.

[@anguslean4058]

You can’t download the nebula app on iPhone You need the Nreal adapter and Apple lightning adapter for it to work With the adapters you can only screen mirror Also to activate and update the glasses and adapter you still need an approved android device or a Mac with an m1 or m2 chip Nreal doesn’t tell you this upfront They just tell you it works with iPhone.

[@MARINE6153]

Can confirm this setup DOES NOT work with iPad Pro 2018 model. Bummer because I have a bunch of flights next week and was looking forward to get things done without worrying about the battery. Alas, back to Amazon it goes

[@TheHawaiianc]

Umm if you say is true I think you can use PureFix USB C to HDMI Cable Adapter for Nintendo Switch... on Amazon for 19$

[@tosvus]

The point here is to also be able to provide power so your device doesn't run out.

[@TheHawaiianc]

The Elebase HDMI Male to USB-C Female Cable Adapter with Micro USB Power is what I use it's more smaller

[@tosvus]

@@TheHawaiianc that just powers the glasses. The idea is to also power the device (i.e. phone or Steam Deck etc) so it doesn't run out of battery while using it.

[@TheHawaiianc]

@@tosvus yah that what elebase is it's turning hdmi in to a thunderbolt which this device is doing

[@proximityfpv1722]

better... lol oh wait trcky tricky sounds like people are having problems with steamdeck.

[@2waylos]

This didn't work on galaxy fold 3....

[@Drew-zp8dp]

my friend get a better phone the Rog phones have type c on the side with display alt and type c on the bottom for charging check it out

[@Whatdotheyhavetohide]

You have a galaxy you don’t need anything the Nreal glasses will run off your phone battery

[@allinvr]

It's not about making them work. It's avout being to use them indefinitely. Otherwise you need to stop periodically to charge your phone. Wireless charging isn't fast enough to keep the phone charged while using nebula.

[@toyotaeaj]

This seems like a huge waste of time and money! My 10-year-old just showed me that I could put it on wireless charge and the video will still play. So I can watch the movies and my phone can still be charged while I'm watching a video. I'm not sure if you're trying to make money for these companies. I'm not against making money but at least give people the option.

[@allinvr]

I've paid for everything I have reviewed on my channel this far. I have the nreal light which are ar glasses. I write software for the nreal light glasses and Quest VR headset. For my needs and for some others using a wireless battery bank isn't a very good option. First because you use the phone as a controller and having a wireless batter bank attached to the phone adds too much weight and is a clunky solution if you are doing a lot of AR stuff on the glasses. Second, while wireless charging is probably fine if all you are doing is watching videos or mirroring your phone screen, once you start using all of the advanced AR features and sensors I find that wireless charging won't charge the phone faster than it will drain and I get maybe a few more hours out of it. Being able to keep everything in my pocket or a fanny pack with just a single USB cable to my phone works extreamely well for me. I know I am not the only one looking at various wired solutions. So I'm sorry if you found this review a waste of time, but not everyone would agree with that opinion.

[@toyotaeaj]

@@allinvr you can buy a 5000mah wireless charger that is very light and portable. From amazon. I have it works great.

[@raymondhitchcock4066]

@@toyotaeaj your kid is on the right track. But you are not. It won't charge. It still loses charge via wireless plugged in to the wall.

[@phoenixbyrd79]

Get the 10000mah Nitecore battery, AWESOME PRODUCT!

[@DRAWKCABLLA]

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