NuanceHoe has a meltdown and gets fired from Mormon Stories

It took John Dehlin ten months to finally grow tired of the stand-up comic wannabe he made the mistake of hiring as his co-host but her blatant disrespect of him and their guest on air was clearly the final straw. This would be her last episode as a co-host on Mormon Stories.
If you loathe NuanceHoe as much as I do, you’ll really enjoy this one. It has been my observation and experience that NuanceHoe grossly lacks integrity and courage and is incapable of having a conversation with a believing Mormon without having a meltdown. Somehow the news that Mormonism is homophobic had escaped her until this interview.
This is footage taken from a five hour long interview that shows NuanceHoe growing more and more frustrated until she snapped and had to shove her hand into her mouth and bite it (literally) to prevent herself from completely losing her shit.
Enjoy.
P.S. For what it’s worth, like her own parents, I too like Rod Meldrum more than NuanceHoe. 😒
P.P.S. If you love the hoe, good news! She has announced that you can now pay money to watch her on Patreon where you can expect, in her words, “bigger, funnier, hoe-ier things from here on out.” 🤮

[@brooklyneden5235]

Watched this whole thing waiting to see the proof that she was fired....it never came. That's 30 minutes I'll never get back.

[@helenr4300]

The non NNN story is that she chose to leave, that frequency and length of broadcasts were getting to affect her personal /family life, and the hours with Meldrum just tipped the balance to recognise this was not the context for her work, she likes John, still points people to his channel, appreciates what she gained from the experience etc. Only this guy is saying any different

[@joshua.snyder]

Mike, this seems to be more about whatever issue you have with her more than this exchange with Meldrum. Your issues with Carah are your own, but if you are going to bring the vindictiveness of it public, either air it out, or bury it. This side bar angst doesn't help.

[@A7H13S7]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@iDad7276]

and the counter argument is--second hand embarrassment is often like watching a train wreck.

[@MightyChange22]

Hypocrite you are

[@humanbeing5396]

I wouldn’t call this a “meltdown.” I work in mental healthcare. I’ve seen “meltdowns.” I think she is just challenging his claims which if the church is true needs to be done.

[@beastshawnee]

She called her overall response emotionally a meltdown-but that was afterward-after all her frustrations with this were out.

[@humanbeing5396]

@@beastshawnee Oh I see. Strong language from my perspective to call this a meltdown.

[@NewNameNoah]

She called it a meltdown herself and was fired for it.

[@paulgregersen3570]

Your work in mentle health obviously hasn't helped you recognize that she is lying. Here is absolute proof that she is deceptively presenting non facts. Click KZbin video titled "LDS transaction law suit " click my name to get there. Where all her arguments just were proven wrong in a court of law.

[@paulgregersen3570]

@Jacob Clair Wilson Her personal hatred of the people in the church directly controls her ability to remain civil and communicate respectfully with out an attack mode. She is an anti Mormon narcissist. She has the mark of the beast.

[@clayj3405]

NNN, I listened because you said there was a meltdown and that she was fired. First, there wasn't a meltdown. She was the most passionate in the room for sure. She was passionate and frustrated but there was no meltdown as you said. Also John Dehlin gave her a nice farewell and seemed surprised she was leaving, so she didn't get fire fired or allowed to resign. You are just not accurate here. It seems you have a personal issue with her. That's the only way to make sense of your post. Thx for the highlights, saved me time. Cara did well.

[@debbiebuttars5598]

I completely agree with what you said.

[@morena162]

So true.

[@Selilokie]

Plus calling it a melt down reeks of sexism, and judging women for their emotions. Also it’s okay to be having a hard time , as you question and challenge your upbringing and choose a different path.

[@carriew7980]

@@Selilokie A microagression, definite tell

[@tombstone1055]

This^

[@Spungle15]

To call Carah a scumbag because she talked over Rod and John during an extremely frustrating interview (and I invite you to read the comments of the episode to get the general impression on the audience) is a deeply misplaced characterization. Did I forget to mention Rod compared homosexuality with bestiality and p*dophilia? Shame on you sir for stirring up drama.

[@NewNameNoah]

Oh no. She’s a scumbag for what she did to ME. I really don’t care what she said to Rod.

[@Spungle15]

@@NewNameNoah Wait. So you accuse her of being a scumbag toward you, and instead of providing evidence of what she did to you, you just posted clips of her from the Rod Meldrum interview. Come on man, that’s so low effort. Edited for clarity.

[@NewNameNoah]

@@Spungle15 what she did to me is a long story which I have no desire to type out again. A

[@Spungle15]

@@NewNameNoah No one said you had to type out an essay in this comment section. You could record an off the cuff video if it's that important for you to tell the story online.

[@NewNameNoah]

@@Spungle15 yes, I suppose if it was that important to me I would. It’s not.

[@babyhakes43]

This is inflammatory and truly pitiful rhetoric on your part. I’m glad to see you getting ratioed in the comment section like this.

[@tothemoon4776]

You're aware being "ratioed" is great for him right? It drives up his views and engagement on the channel. We're 20 years into this whole internet thing and people still aren't getting that being "controversial" is how you drive views. 🙄

[@Indi_Waffle_Girl]

@@tothemoon4776 touche. Didn't think about that. Still glad he's getting roasted tho.

[@kylethedalek]

“There’s not a man hated more than a man who speaks the truth.”

[@lemonlydia]

​@@kylethedalekyour name is kyle, nobody cares about your cringe quote

[@Student____2025__1]

@@lemonlydiaKyle is a great name, and he’s right.

[@pcwinstead]

Didn’t see a meltdown, I saw frustration and based on Rod’s comments I’d be frustrated too.

[@jonbystrom9410]

Rude tantrums are common among the ignorant and arrogant. Rod's opinion may not be Cara's, but he should be respected like Steve Pynaker was respected. She is mean spirited to the extreme.

[@pcwinstead]

@@jonbystrom9410 I didn’t extreme mean spiritedness in this episode. She can be snarky and sarcastic though.

[@LoraleeArmstrongNunley]

Rod didn’t even get a chance to talk

[@pcwinstead]

@@LoraleeArmstrongNunley I’ve watched both episodes in full and over the course of the 10 hours or so Rod did most of the talking as I recall. I’d be curious if he felt there were points he wanted to make that he didn’t get a chance to, but that’d be surprising given how much time he had to do so. Granted, being interrupted can be frustrating but he was saying some batshit crazy things as I see it so I understand why Carah and John would interrupt at times.

[@ChronicallyRara]

@@jonbystrom9410 she’s not throwing a tantrum. She’s calling this guy out on his BS which is what needs to happen. We can’t begin to fully deconstruct whatever religious cult we left until we start having the tough conversations about the trauma these so called leaders in these religious cults have caused, calling them out on their BS, and holding them accountable for the hate and ignorance they spread, and the trauma they cause.

[@ranicalerp7765]

Wow, that was a cruel intro with a lot of assumptions. What happened to you to make you so bitter? I don't think this is a healthy way to deal with people you dislike.

[@yep_2431]

Ad Hominem Fallacy

[@christeljulia]

Disagree. Meltdown? Fired? Scumbag? Zero integrity? NNN, this feels like a real misread of the situation and the vibe. Without Carah, JD (and I love the guy; he is a good soul) just feels Milquetoasty and out of touch. CB added an aggressive feminist energy and a 21st C perspective that made MS better.

[@redcurrantart]

She handled Rob beautifully and much better than I would have. Both John and Cara have talked about why she left and John seemed very ‘down’ about the whole thing and why wouldn’t he? She upped viewership, helped him establish the Mormon Stories brand in further platforms, etc. You get irritated enough when people talk shit about you, and go around spreading unsubstantiated rumors… but what are you doing here? Even if what your saying is true what’s the point of airing someone else’s dirty laundry? Plus calling her a scum bag? That’s a little pot calling the kettle black given your history.

[@debbiebuttars5598]

So true!

[@heidinicole1857]

ABSOLUTELY. Well said. Nothing like some good ole projection am I right? He knows HE is a scum bag, so he calls her one. I’ve never seen a more mean-spirited, angry exmo than him. Get therapy bud.

[@helenr4300]

@@dewaynesworld3414 go watch the original - plenty of the Guest talking , this is just spliced to put all her questions together and give the impression of dominating. it was 5 hours and the 3rd part with that guest so plenty of time for him to say his piece

[@AdautoMedeiros]

Cara was not out of line. She was frustrated. She was trying to get her point across...but the man...dude.

[@judytyler1870]

I liked the addition of Carah Burrell to Mormon Stories. I believe the questions Carah asked were legitimate and that they needed to be asked. Not confronting authors who puport to be presenting evidence for what they believe by providing zero actual evidence is exactly what should happen in every interview.

[@judytyler1870]

I meant to say that authors or others who purport to be "authorities" should be confronted, give evidence and shown how devicive and destructive they have been in pushing their destructive beliefs! How absolutely disgusting that Rod Meldrum equated bestiality to homosexuality! How does this man have a voice in the LDS church?

[@iDad7276]

@@judytyler1870 because its a sin and so is fucking you dog the same as murder molestation theft and so on. sin is sin and God hates sin.... soo.. not sure what your issue is other than your own hangups about sin. Do yo like sin?

[@kylethedalek]

She’s overly political and SJW, she doesn’t debate and most of her points are debunked. Apart from the issues with LDS. She acts like a spoiled child, “punching everything in my car driving home” That’s not a stable person.

[@abigailh7715]

​@@judytyler1870It's the same vile hedonism

[@abigailh7715]

​@@judytyler1870it's the same vile act of hedonistic degeneracy

[@jameswalberg3265]

I did watch the entire interview. I think she asked incisive questions. and tried to engage RM but a discussion with RM is like talking to a brick wall. I almost had a breakdown listening to RM.

[@sallyostling]

This was probably the first interview I saw absolutely no point in having, especially dedicating the time that they did. The man is a complete bonehead.

[@davidfoust9767]

He isn't a very interesting thinker. Most of what he said was just the most boring apologetics we've all heard and regurgitated over and over again when we were members. I didn't even make it to the part where he talks about the core of the earth being ice.

[@ckblackwoodmusic]

He even used the 'nothing came from everything' line....

[@personofinterest8731]

Same here. Brick wall mentality is real.

[@di3486]

She did a monologue. It’s rude

[@MB-wz3xk]

No integrity? She explained how why this episode was so difficult for her. She didn't say anything about John that was disparaging. I think you might want to reflect on your own integrity here. Is it not weird that you're focused on Carah?

[@8polyglot]

I am a never Mormon and have listened to a very large number of Mormon Stories. I personally loved C's contributions to the episodes. I first heard this episode via podcast/audio only and really didn't think C went too far. They as people just fundamentally disagree. C gets fired up I think because that is her demeanor; she seems to be the first to say she isn't always the epitome of tact. I don't fault her for that.

[@Chelts]

I get why she thought she couldnt continue this. Her and John have different approaches and different agendas. I like her approach and I think humor is effective and gets though to people. I also like John but he can sometimes come off like an apologist. You calling her a scumbag was a red flag for you.

[@NewNameNoah]

Red flag but not a yellow card, right? RIGHT?

[@rebeccaking837]

I agree with Chelts. Calling Carah "Scumbag" with "no integrity" is going over the line for a guy who snuck into LDS temples repeatedly with false papers and forged them for others. . Sure, the temple is stupid beyond words and what they make you do to get there is criminal coercion, but how much integrity were you exhibiting by sneaking in? Carah is her own version of lovely, funny and informed and your work has much merit in exposing the idiocy that is Mormonism. Let's not throw nasty insults toward people who basically on the same side. Anything and anyone who can challenge LDS sheep into opening their eyes or at least having an original thought, not dictated by the church, is doing good work!

[@Chelts]

@@NewNameNoah thanks for the reminder I'm subbed to you, now fixed.

[@hkevin101]

@@Chelts p

[@NewNameNoah]

@@Chelts you’re welcome. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. 😂

[@gadiantonrobber5692]

I thought she was a breath of fresh air TBH. John is boring and awkward in interviews at times, she spiced it up a bit. However, she is young and the wounds of Mormonism that have hurt her, make it hard for her to keep a level head when interviewing die hard TBM's.

[@summerrose8325]

I agree 1000%, this is my first nnn video and I was shocked at the words he used for her. Put a bad taste in my mouth.

[@hazelwalker6570]

NNN has a vile temper and filthy mouth

[@jeffs4483]

Who wouldn't go crazy dealing with Mormonism?

[@morena162]

Even truer.

[@GC2024_]

💥BAM💥

[@LadyMaria]

It doesn't make sense!

[@douganderson4176]

Totally fair! She got monrmonised needs Ecorsism

[@GC2024_]

I was Mormon for 50+ years I left 12 years ago, and I'm not on KZbin screaming how much I hate the church, quite opposite, I have 50+ yrs of indoctrination things I'm slowly working through to declutter my brain, she just seems so angry and hateful. Holding on to hate doesn't serve anything .

[@drbulbul]

Carah and John have just appeared on each other's channels, with Carah as a co-host of Mormon Stories and John as a guest on Nuancehoe. So, that disproves the predict that this would be her last episode as co-host on Mormon Stories and should also quelch any idea that there is animosity between these two people.

[@temperances320]

What is the definition of ‘quelch?’ It doesn’t seem to be in the dictionary?

[@drbulbul]

It's in two dictionaries i consulted: "to quell, quash; = squelch".

[@jaytee3baxter]

@@temperances320 New words are joining the English language all the time. I don't like all of them either, but a dynamic language changes.

[@TroyLeavitt]

Carah is extremely intelligent and insightful. Unfortunately, I think she's still also emotionally raw as a result of leaving the LDS faith. In my opinion, she's still coping with the trauma of discovering the religion of her childhood isn't what she thought it was. She is still working through her consequent anger and bitterness. This makes it extremely difficult for her to allow LDS believers/apologists to present their viewpoints without providing strong counterpoints. She feels morally obligated to call out their perceived "falsehoods." To be honest, @NewNameNoah, I see that you are Carah are quite similar in this aspect. You may have more in common than you think.

[@meganrausch8396]

Love this

[@samueljeppsen9785]

Troy, I soooo agree with you. The more "all in" someone was, the worse the trainwreck they will experience. And the longer the recovery time will be for them. If they were not all in, their exit isn't very hard. Carra was very-very "all in". I too think she's still in her anger stage. God bless you for recognizing it.

[@fairygrandma9127]

Hey NNN! Keep being who you are! You’re about the only ex- Mormon on KZbin who doesn’t act, talk or think like a Mormon. Your temple videos were extremely brave, intelligent and groundbreaking. IMO John D and Mormon stories have done little to actually expose the lies of the Mormon church like you have. Nor has his KZbin channel helped many ex Mormons to discover a real living Christ. I personally think that atheism and Mormonism go hand in hand. Both require a similar mind set of beliefs and values. Mormon Stories only works to encourage that small Mormon mind set. IMO Mormon stories doesn’t encourage people to think outside the Mormon box. It only encourages people to stay stuck in the anger, lies and self righteous attitude the Mormon church breeds.

[@prettylights482]

This is an honest question I really don't know the answer to...I'm not trying to start anything: why is Carah a scumbag? For reference, I'm a NeverMo who's spent the last few years learning as much as possible about Mormon and ExMormon culture after living in Idaho for 3 years. I've probably seen most Mormon Stories episodes; and while I don't LOVE Carah, I also don't have any reason to dislike her either. Just curious what I'm missing?

[@meganrausch8396]

She isn't. His distaste for her (as everyone has people they don't like) is just at an intense, and immature level. There are better ways of saying what issues you have with this interview, or with Carah. Him saying he loathes her and calling her names is uncalled for.

[@prettylights482]

@@meganrausch8396 thank you for replying. Yeah I wouldn't even have been interested enough to ask if the language had been different. But I personally reserve the word "scumbag" for...well...scumbags lol. There's no better way to put it, really. It's not a term I use for people I just don't even want to tolerate...you've gotta earn it.

[@meganrausch8396]

@@prettylights482 Yeah, I think he's got a personal beef and he's being a immature

[@Pudding_Patrol]

She’s totally fine. Mormon stories may not have been the best fit but I don’t know what nnn’s beef is.

[@ryankoski2499]

God, imagine writing this horribly misleading of a title.

[@StephRivera]

To Carah, Rod might represent her actual mother and her family who still believes. So the way she gets all heated about it is probably coming from a very personal frustration at her own mother who loves Rod's message. She is saying everything she wishes she could say to her own mother to Rod. But as you can see, it's like banging your head against a wall. You won't get anywhere because those who don't want to listen and hear, won't listen.

[@xaarxncx]

yeah I agree with this one. I feel like when you are dealing with sensitive subjects like this, many times these people can be hitting those trauma points in your brain. I feel like Cara understandably wanted to do the interview but after a certain point maybe needed to step back before it interferes with the platform of the show. I think that is what is causing the frustration for viewers, bc some want to see Rod while some are feeling exactly what Carah is feeling.

[@gloriamosby7527]

i like your empathy and i agree

[@cjones3093]

She won’t stop talking. Unprofessional. Won’t allow her guest to completely answer; keeps cutting him off. The View has women like her. They have all ruined our society.

[@showcrazy2139]

@@cjones3093 ruined society? Lol.

[@cjones3093]

@@showcrazy2139 yes they have. Bitter, aggressive, and overly dominant women have created a society where women’s roles have been altered. Society needs traditional male and female roles to function properly.

[@stevelambourne9850]

This is just sad to watch a “full grown man” disparaging a woman who shut down his advancements publicly. It’s really embarrassing for you. You are a sad small little man. And that sucks for you..

[@A7H13S7]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@iDad7276]

Oh wait. I thought women wanted equality Steve and wanted to be treated as such? NO?! Maybe not? You are full of shit dude. she did this on her own and if John D. gave a rats fucking ass he would have shut the show down. She is a hateful spoiled typical American feminist anti-god Shill. Get over your self. Where is your evidence for the "advancements"? More made up BS.

[@plporter]

I wouldn't call that a meltdown.

[@linzrojo]

I know you don’t like her and that’s fine. I think it’s easy to go after her because she has the microphone. read the comments it’s not like everyone was saying stop Cara don’t etc racism homophobia etc people were just as upset as she was .

[@Smag-wm4bx]

I stopped watching because of her..so yes there are people that didn't want to listen to her.

[@linzrojo]

@@Smag-wm4bx I didn’t say their weren’t I said if you read the comments IN THAT video the vast majority were just as upset as she was and agreeing with her.

[@carriew7980]

@@linzrojo They were very much applauding it, and I too. I told her she spoke for many during her final speech here.

[@ExpertAdviceTV]

I agree that you’re being a little too hard on her. Meldrum is an absolute buffoon. It’s hard to blame Kara for getting upset. It’s perplexing that John gave this guy 4+ hours on the show. I think that was a mistake. I’m all in favor of opposing viewpoints, but when you give a platform to a clown posing as an intellectual, it’s doing nothing but harming the platform.

[@lynnef9330]

I kind of understand her bitterness towards the LDS religion because I have witnessed family members completely disown their children for leaving the religion, or in my co-workers case, for not going on a mission. I will never forget, he had type 1 diabetes, where he would go into diabetic coma’s if he didn’t stay on top of his insulin. One day, he was short on funds to purchase his insulin and asked his parents for money to cover his meds and they said no. Seriously, cold hearted people.. Yes, this occurred decades ago when the percentage of Utah’s LDS was far greater than now, however, this still occurs in some cases. It’s pure evil.

[@jeffs4483]

Mormon culture is so greedy, it makes me sick.

[@DezaRay24]

My bio grandmother adopted me out because she didn’t/couldn’t have a black baby in her Mormon family. These ppl are a cult

[@AxelQC]

Bitterness doesn't excuse unprofessionalism.

[@gigi1332]

@@DezaRay24 Such a horrific cult. I'm so incredibly sorry that happened to you. My sincerest love and to you

[@lynnef9330]

@@AxelQC Perhaps the word, “bitterness” was taken out of context on my part. Imo, she was being professional, she simply did not agree with the guest and gave her reasons why. I don’t see any hostility here, just two people “agreeing to disagree.” Isn’t that an important component of a debate?

[@RachelA147]

I respect your perspective a lot, but this has been the first time I have to disagree with you. Sure conversational etiquette was mostly ignored, but rod meldrom wasn't going to register a darn thing she said. She had to start mansplaining in response in order to be heard through the thick, toxic levels of patriarchy.

[@lemjwp1756]

Goodness you're wound up tight

[@Peedarb]

She came off as petulant, immature and unintelligent.

[@showcrazy2139]

@@Peedarb but Meldrom literally compared LGBT people to pedophiles and beastiality pukes...I'd be a way bugger jerk...I thought she kept her head better than I could have

[@hayleyrazzoog5551]

@@Peedarb nnn is definitely coming off immature, petulant and unintelligent. Just take a look at the rest of the comments. He already admitted that this is about personal beef and not what the video presents it to be about. He got rejected by her, and he's lashing out.

[@RachelA147]

@@hayleyrazzoog5551 thanks for bringing that to my attention. I must have missed something along the way

[@kanaiboded]

She's right 🤷

[@jeffs4483]

She made the mistake of thinking she could reason with a Mormon.

[@AxelQC]

She asks a question, and then answers it herself. She's not interviewing him, but trying to win an argument.

[@rocithebest6520]

lol

[@mrkelly4822]

Rod should NOT have been on the show in the first place. He is pro LDS ! Don't give those bastards a platform, the LDS church needs to be brought down and the Temples used for other things.

[@sofiagarfield2774]

She is pretty strong for doing this!

[@inChristalone1960]

@@AxelQC Meldrum will never answer a question anyway. He is just a tape loop.

[@stephenjackson7797]

I'm confused. I didn't hear a meltdown, nor did I hear anything that was even borderline bad enough to get fired over. I'm being honest here. Explain what she said that was a fireable offense.

[@annwood6812]

Oh come on NNN. I've seen you go off on a toot too. How about that time you called the police ON YOURSELF so you would be stopped edgeing onto temple grounds on your birthday so you could make a cool vid? Yes, someone actually watched that vid to the end when you spilled the beans on yourself. I did. Pot meet kettle. You have no business criticizing someone who couldn't stand the heat with Meldrum. I bet you would have punched him.

[@lurenacornella6588]

Cara is passionate in the ways the church hurts people. And a bit fired up like John Larson. Nothing wrong with a woman expressing herself. She has every right to stand her ground. Just as those with AUTHORITY.

[@douganderson4176]

True

[@pipps1158]

What about the many ways the church has helped people? It has helped millions upon millions of families choose the moral path of abstinence from drugs, alcohol, pre-marital sex, charitable service and devotion to living Christian principles. These alone have provided healthy, stable family environments for countless numbers of children. My family did not have to face alcoholism, drug addiction, neglectful and emotionally absent parents out seeking sexual misadventures etc… The church is also working in the poorest nations on earth building chapels, temples and schools to help strengthen the people’s spirits to a point where they are able lift themselves above the mire of poverty pandemic to their nations economic, educational and social systems. If anyone can do better, let them try, but in my eyes the church is doing great work in the world despite the bad press they get for these 1st world non issues. It might seem callous to say this, but the LGBTQ+ issue is a 1st world issue for people who have never experienced real world issues like crippling hunger, poverty, crime and disease etc. The church is only guilty of hurting people’s feelings. But feelings are always going to be hurt when going to church since a churches sole purpose is to turn people towards Christ. Turning to Christ must, and always will require a person turn away from non-Christian ideas and behaviour.

[@TwoTreesVisuals]

She wasn’t fired. She quit thanks to trolls like you attacking her.

[@tothemoon4776]

"Quit". Ehhh, probably not. Definitely more of a "parted ways" kind of thing with MS.

[@TwoTreesVisuals]

@@tothemoon4776 except she’s been back on as a cohost since this comment

[@tothemoon4776]

@@TwoTreesVisuals She no longer works for Mormon Stories. A few cameos doesn't change that.

[@TwoTreesVisuals]

@@tothemoon4776 you’re choosing to see the worst version possible. Seems like she needed some autonomy. And she’s still going on for the john Larsen interviews. Win win

[@braddayton]

I see this as a frustrated person talking to an idiot Kool-aid drinker and not a meltdown. Thank you for posting this. It gives me more respect for Carah.

[@DM-nw5lu]

For some people someone showing genuine completely reasonable and logical emotion means they won't take them seriously and put the irrational/illogical stamp on them. The worship of lack of emotion is disturbing honestly. To me people who don't show emotion in a situation when it would make absolute sense to are psychopaths. You shouldn't take THOSE people seriously.

[@lisakcmm]

@@DM-nw5lu or trust them - especially in matters of faith or money

[@kristycherry3356]

How do I find her? I like her.

[@Jharrison6014]

I'm in agreement with Brad here.

[@kylethedalek]

The only people who act like this is people who are unstable. I think she may have an undiagnosed mental health issue.

[@milliehutchings]

Let it go, already. Geez. We understand you don't like this woman.... Go find your next obsession which doesn't attack people, because you probably don't realise, but these kinds of horrible videos about others are harmful to them AND yourself.

[@brettkeith2218]

Great comment that could equally be applied to Cara. She should “go find her next obsession which doesn’t attack people….. I am embarrassed to know as a former member that cara speaks for us and represents us.

[@31Takamine]

@@brettkeith2218 good news: she doesn't.

[@yebopa2692]

@@brettkeith2218 the Brett's are mormon

[@jasonblanzy]

Actually I’m very happy to hear what she had to say. Thanks for sharing!

[@TwoTreesVisuals]

Carah embarrassed meldrum on these episodes. I’m so sad she’s gone, and I would be shocked if she went after Dehlin. She has more class than new name Noah

[@schrecksekunde2118]

Rod is maybe the most infuriating guest for any sane person with a liking for reality and truth. I had several anger issues during parts 1+2, I doubt I would have let him live if I would have been there during part 3 - and no one could judge me for that. He lives in his pink fluffy mormon fantasy world and everything that could make a dent in his beliefs gets twisted and scrubbed from truth until he's safe again with his Jewish native angels. That guy really has some big issues, unbelievable. It's a pity that she's broken but I think at least she burned her bridges to this artificial let's-safe-the-pedo-prophet-views of rod (and it seems her family). And she didn't kill anyone. That's quite an achievement.

[@MPIndy]

Seriously? John & Cara are mutually appearing on each others' media & clearly fully supporting one another. Lost major cred on this one.

[@DoctorTheSushi]

Didn’t really see a meltdown.

[@NewNameNoah]

So you didn’t watch the video?

[@skorqion_art]

This video seems very antagonistic. I will miss Carah as a co-host, I enjoyed what she added. it's fine if you didn't, I can see why, but beating her down when she had such a vunerable moment in public is very childish to me.

[@meganrausch8396]

Agreed. And having, even posting, an unfavorable opinion is fine, but this opinion, and loathing, is way too harsh, not to mention lacks empathy for her position in that situation. There are more mature ways of stating your feelings on Carah (or any human)

[@NewNameNoah]

I have a personal history with this scumbag NuanceHoe. Kicking people when they are down is absolutely what SHE does to people.

[@karaxxsue]

I think you are too harsh trying to paint her in this light.. I dont show my love because of her name .. but I know we have all been mind fucked our whole life and sometimes we lose our shit when talking to someone who still is under the spell. and sometimes we like to drink a lot

[@NewNameNoah]

She’s a scumbag. Period. This termination was long overdue.

[@karaxxsue]

ah so you're a fan

[@nisaba5752]

That's great insight,thank you. As they say(it's a rough take on an actual quote),we are *all* fighting a war inside us,remember that when you meet others.

[@sallyostling]

@@NewNameNoah and what proof do you have that she was terminated. What examples do you have of her scumbagery?

[@NewNameNoah]

@@sallyostling it’s a long story. She knows what she did.

[@myscape06]

Carah exposed Rod Meldrum for the foolish man he is. I can say I would have been equally unimpressed and conflicted as she was.

[@lisapurplehayes]

She didn’t expose that he is indoctrinated. Most of us know that. She did treat him really disrespectfully. It was as uncomfortable as a dementia patient being scrutinized for believing what they believe. (The rest of us know it’s because they aren’t in reality.)

[@beastshawnee]

What impresses me the most about his answering her is how he barely glances at her and his body stays turned away from her. He doesn’t want to acknowledge her or her questions. This is why it all became so super awkward- It wasn’t a real exchange of ideas. He shut her out so the dialogue stopped and she still wanted her questions out there. She knew John wasn’t fully supporting her at this point so she sped up machine gunning questions at him.

[@miguelbran1268]

Wrong! Watch it again, he wants to avoid confrontation, he wants to answer and she does not allow him to do so he lowers his head to listen for a few minutes more. He is avoiding confrontation because he noticed she is being a bit hostile. Whenever he gets a chance talk he looks at her directly.

[@Zena357]

She makes more sense than the TBM, or John. Happy to be an ex-Mormon atheist.

[@spunkycat6144]

It looks like she is trying to reason with an unreasonable person and that just can't be done.

[@DanielJesseLife]

I love Cara the nuancehoe. She makes excellent and precise arguements. And I love her humor.

[@zachlightcap2179]

♥️

[@monicapignotti7499]

But the interview wasn't supposed to be all about loving Carah and how witty, funny and smart she is or even what great arguments she can make. It wasn't supposed to be about her. We learned very little from these clips about why Meldrun believes as he does. Instead we learned about the kind of performer Carah was. Maybe the longer interview that includes John's questions is hopefully different and can give us some insight. To do a good interview, she really needs to put her performer ego aside, which she seems incapable of doing, so it's good she's found another forum that might be more appropriate for her to showcase herself. Mormon Stories is supposed to be listening and learning about different storied and viewpoints on Mormonism - not how loveable, smart and funny Carah can be.

[@AxelQC]

@@monicapignotti7499 This wasn't an interview but an argument. Dehlin is about letting people tell their stories, not playing Crossfire with his guests.

[@showcrazy2139]

@@AxelQC but how do you not shut down someone once they start saying LGBT people are like pedophiles. As soon as he said that, I felt like his opinion became invalid. Fuck that guy.

[@christianbell4056]

Her humor is great, but her arguments, precise? 😄😄😄😄

[@charlesmendeley9823]

I can understand any former Mormon getting a nervous breakdown during this interview. I couldn't even watch all of his nonsense. I congratulate John on staying calm and balanced, but can empathize with anyone who can't do the same. Therefore, I see no point in bashing either side. In the end, it is probably more related to Carah wanting to produce content in her own way, instead of being John's employee who of course has a different style (and interview length). KZbin's storage is big enough for both of them. If you like only one or the other, subscribe to only that channel. If you like both, subscribe to both. But stop bashing anyone. Reserve that for homophobe Dallin Oaks or Mr. Burns who couldn't even prophesy the pandemic.

[@DirtmopAZ]

Calling Carah a scumbag is projection at its finest.

[@Spungle15]

Yeah that came out of left field.

[@kaijusushi8165]

I disagree. John put her on his show and offered her a career as his potential successor and she repaid his trust by trying to turn the podcast into her own personal format to air her own complaints and opinions, during which she continuously power talked over John, and his guest. That shows a complete lack of self control, disrespect and selfishness in deliberately violating John's trust.

[@NewNameNoah]

I have had personal dealings with her and can assure you, she IS a scumbag. Big time.

[@bigpapafitter]

You guys don't know the history here. Her words and actions towards Mike fully warrant the descriptor.

[@sallyostling]

@@NewNameNoah what could she have possibly done? Stole your identity? Get you arrested? Sell you fake crypto?

[@vocalysemusicworks]

Rod is really completely ridiculous. Even the John Dehlin explorations into Rod's opinions were crazy. This episode made me decide NEVER to follow the idiot preppers.

[@ucacheer2213]

Hurt people hurt people. I agree with her choosing to leaving because she needs time to heal and produce content on her on terms . Freedom is what she truly needs. I think we will be surprised what the growth and intense healing that is going to come in Carahs life. She will do awesome doing her new thing .

[@plporter]

I think at 34:40 Rodney basically said that coffee is the gateway drug that leads to hell for some people. I think anyone who would say such a thing does not understand the decades where the prophets Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc broke the word of wisdom without even batting an eye

[@shellas04]

Sorry NNN. I am proud of her. Woman did it good!

[@lies-hurt_Love-Heals]

My genius narcissistic ex once explained to me that psychology shows that when someone is upset that there is a storm of neurons going off in the brain, creating a clouded perception or narrow. So someone passionately trying to explain things and they aren’t getting through to the other is going to cause upset and a lack of ability to explain things or have information come through clearly. She’ll use this as a learning experience. It was less likely that she had a “meltdown” than it was that she made some really good arguments because she is growing in her awareness.

[@ucacheer2213]

Agree!

[@macysondheim]

K well psychology shows in any kind of human interaction at all. Not just specifically when someone is upset

[@canadianamerican90]

You can never reason with a mormon . They look so nice and innocent in public and maybe they are but I've asked in private a mormon about his beliefs versus the Bible and he flipped out and started becoming violent putting his hands on me . In my experience people involved in the occult world can get very aggressive when the sword of truth separates the flesh.

[@jocastus]

Carah's still a regular co-host whenever John Larsen is on Mormon Stories, and her ex-boss John Dehlin's joined her in her home for her own videos. They're still on good terms and work together every month when John Larsen joins them to rant about the immoral nonsense in the Bible, etc. Unfortunately, Carah ultimately had a panic attack over that last guest's extreme levels of homophobia, and she had to ask herself if her job was worth that while she was also a wife and mother. John asked what would keep her on staff, she cited a number that would make her feel panic attacks were being compensated, he couldn't pay it, so now she comes back once a month and he occasionally joins her on her channel instead. You don't need to be surprised by homophobia to be distressed by it. It's not remotely surprising in a cult like Mormonism, but it's still disgusting and still deadly. Panic attacks happen, and if Carah couldn't physically have these conversations with anti-gay apologists, then her desire to withdraw and only come back to talk about the Bible, etc. was for the best. As for respecting John Dehlin or his guests, that's a subjective matter. Like honor or worthiness, respect means whatever the speaker thinks it means. In any case, whatever kind of respect Carah has for John and he for her, it's enough that they're still regularly partnering with each other and John Larsen as well. That being said, I'm not aware of an anti-gay apologists who deserve respect in any significant sense.

[@julesmum9781]

Ty for sharing this comment. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. It seems this video is clips of Carah dialoguing all spliced together in one string without context which makes it v hard to understand the point this poster is trying to make. Your comment provides context. Ty v much

[@TheKyleAye]

You need to change the title. She didn't get fired. Both her and John had a mutual agreement that she would depart and start her own thing. John even appeared in several of her videos on her channel afterwards to clear up any rumors about them disliking one another.

[@skylord8625]

A couple things: 1. This is clickbait, which is your prerogative but it is disingenuous and a sleazy ad hominem attack. 2. I think Carah did an actually decent job at not throwing the table at him. I was screaming at the phone in my car while listening to it. 3. Rod is an absolute mess. 4. Carah is a lot of things that I can’t stand but she is right here and had good questions and good passion. I’m not a Carah defender usually because reasons but she is standing her ground here. 6. You can’t call out your boss publicly and expect to keep your job intact the way it was before. 7. Calling out any portion of her mental health for your profit via KZbin is an all time low even for you.

[@lashram32]

8. Don't send unrequested dick pics to fellow Post Mormons. Just sayin... cuz we know that's what this is about. Just go back to exposing tscc. You're good at that.

[@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843]

Why do you hate her so much?

[@larryrichardson8194]

I watched the whole RM show. I'm curious about 2 things: How do you know she was fired? Why the hate towards Carah? Just wondering about both of these things. Thanks

[@hayleyrazzoog5551]

He's not gonna respond, but I will! 1. She didn't get fired, she resigned/quit. He's lying tbh 2. New name Noah has already admitted in the comments that this is about personal beef he has with her, not what the video presents itself to be about. She may have even rejected him and he's being petulant about it on the internet. Either way, he's pretending he suddenly doesn't care enough to explain further, despite most everyone seeing through this really undercooked take

[@larryrichardson8194]

@@hayleyrazzoog5551 Thank you for your reply. Yes, something sure was fishy about what was represented in this video. :(

[@mikelangley3919]

Mr. Rodney could be shown a black square and somehow after his mindless ramblings convince himself the square is white. What a piece of work.

[@melissajones2000]

Cara did awesome here. I’m so proud of her. This guy is a tool. Wow.

[@davidl2438]

My feelings toward Carah is that she is very impulsive interrupting the discussion frequently. I believe she is a little young to serve as an emcee or host because she lacks sophistication requiring more seasoning before she is ready for that role. She at times is rude lacking manners and respect for her guest being interviewed. I like her energy and determination but as i said above she needs more seasoning before being placed in an emcee or host role.

[@DonUhlir]

I enjoyed watch she brought to the show. I will miss her. I thought she did well with the guy and you could feel her holding back to obvious ignorance towards the black and the lbgt issues. That is being an adult. The guy was a bigot.

[@Themanyfacesofego]

Well, I have just seen a broadcast on Carah's channel. It is a joint effort with her and John Dehlin, and they seem to be getting on better than ever! She seems quite stable and doesn't mention being fired. Instead they are discussing the top ten things that Mormon missionaries don't tell people.

[@lashram32]

Yeah this is just nasty click bate. There is a history there if you wanna reddit sleuth it out for yourself.

[@monicapignotti7499]

This was so frustrating to watch because she really did ask some great questions, but then she wouldn't let him answer! A cardinal rule of exit counseling or really any kind of communication with someone in a high demand group is to ask a question and then wait, for the answer, even if the person is slow to answer or isn't giving what you think is the "right answer", let them process and think it through before you jump in. By constantly interrupting and talking over him and not letting him answer her questions, she made the show all about herself. That said, it is rarely a good idea for someone to leave a group like this and then jump right in as she has. Didn't she jump right into doing Mormon Stories right after leaving or did I get that wrong? She really needs to take some time out to reflect and process her own experience before she tries to help anyone else, but I see she is just going on with her own thing elsewhere. That's a recipe for a breakdown, so I'm not surprised. Heal thyself, NuanceHoe.

[@AxelQC]

She's trying to prove her points. She's not sincerely trying to find out his viewpoints, which is the purpose of an interview.

[@monicapignotti7499]

Yes, her comedic style was not a good fit for this type of interview because she makes it all about her and drawing attention to herself and how smart/funny she is, which really starts to look like cult shaming even though that may not have been her intention rather than really trying to find out where the person is coming from. The vibe I get from her is she's being a performer. Looks like she needs to find a more appropriate forum for that, which she apparently has done.

[@darkforgiven360]

Completely agree

[@kaijusushi8165]

She acted and talked like she was "high", which would be grounds for termination

[@pansprayers]

@@kaijusushi8165 no, being high is grounds for termination if that's what's in your contract, getting fired for 'acting high' (whatever that subjective term means) can be met with a wrongful termination suit even in a state with as lax of laws as a state like Utah, as those are also symptoms of many other medical conditions. But, she wasn't fired, so keep babbling.

[@debbieharmon4709]

But I do agree with her!

[@Eagle_Powers]

This title is way over dramatic. She NEVER had a meltdown. She shared her opinions.

[@elbazgardensandtravel6925]

What a concept, young man. Your yellow journalism is up to par.

[@Cnhfcsh]

Hey NNN. Never heard of you before. Listened to your video because you promised a meltdown. Didn’t happen. Personally, I’ve disliked this nuancehoe ever since I first saw her. She seems self-absorbed. Seems in love with herself. Always stroking her hair. Always offering what appears to be exaggerated gestures and facial expressions, voice intonations. Seems like a narcissist. But, she’s remarkably Insightful. Her observations frequently are poignant and better than anybody’s in the room. Further she displays integrity. Her approach, her bent, her narrative is consistent - video to video. In spite of me not caring for her persona, I had to admit to myself she is one smart cookie. Further, she speaks truth. Truth to a bullshit, silly religion. Despite your little written intro, the person lacking integrity and an apparent modicum of intelligence is you, NNN. Find another hobby. Perhaps stamp collecting. You like the intellect to host a podcast.

[@mckenzijensen2337]

Cara did fantastic. I would have actually had a meltdown. She held her cool as good as I think you can when discussing such frustrating ideas with a Mormon.

[@sofiagarfield2774]

Why does she trigger you all so much?

[@leslielousma7913]

I couldn’t stand how fast she talks!

[@JonathanMulderMarston]

Lol, what a stupid video. So you don't like someone and ya want to make a video about it? Okay, I'll check it out. But if you're just going to offer a diatribe - it only serves to shine an unflattering spotlight on the creator. Because this just comes off like a guy that got dumped, and now proves himself to be an emotionally immature man-child. I actually am embarrassed for this guy, and I feel sorry for people in his personal life. If this is how he acts on video regarding a public figure - imagine what he's like in private with someone he actually has a relationship with... **shudder**

[@Themanyfacesofego]

NNN: You yourself had a serious meltdown after you were duped, and completely fell, for McKenna Denson's story.

[@TheNickhis]

Yeah, that's really what this is all about. Unfortunately Mike has never seemed to be the one who got anywhere acceptable on the emotional intelligence development phase of the deconversion process.

[@deniseeaves3681]

She may have gone about it the wrong way, but she needed to push her point especially when he brought up murder and pedophilia. She was trying to make him see that the Church doesn't make everyone happy. It hurts a lot of people. He just didn't get it.

[@GoatlikePersonality]

I would like to interview the Cara NuanceHoe and she could explain mormon apostasy compared to JW aposatasy. Were can I find her?

[@niteotter]

Cara was the reason I kept coming back to Mormon Stories. Bye, y’all!

[@emiliemcbride2534]

Wow, so much misogyny in this video and comment thread. Guess old mormon habits die hard, huh? Do better, people.

[@ItsMeCheryl1231]

I wish she would have at least let him fully answer her questions. I understand she was EXTREMELY frustrated, but I wanted to hear his side, but she never let him speak a full sentence.

[@M_elliote34]

She’s amazing and I love her

[@googleuser1522]

Not a meltdown. Frustrated? Yes. Not a meltdown. Rod is the lunatic. Trying to reason with a crazy person can absolutely make someone crazy!

[@NewNameNoah]

She said herself that the interview “broke her.” She was literally biting her hand during the interview and then immediately afterwards was screaming, crying, and punching her car as she sped through a school zone. But you go ahead and convince yourself that’s NOT a meltdown. 😂

[@EquestrianAltercationsLLC]

Oh look another comment section who completely disagrees with you 👌

[@thehalalreviewer]

Rod is such a frustrating person, as he is completely shut off to the truth, so I cannot fault her for being frustrated talking to him.

[@anabolicboy4010]

I would love to see her on the atheist experience show. She brings up so many good points. Unfortunately Mormon Stories Podcast is a Mormon exMormon discussion. Not a Mormon take down.

[@rockmaster4762]

She wasn’t fired

[@AxelQC]

She was asked to resign.

[@gloriamosby7527]

the sexism and condescending view you have on Cara is gross. but hey to each their own..

[@mstringham]

I feel like there are a lot of assumptions in this video. That being said I think her going out on her own is good for her but I think whether Mormon or ex Mormon, is a brutal world and tough to keep at it. Many come and go and to make a living off this could be tough.

[@gd8205]

The comments have spoken lol this vid backfired like an old car

[@Jsppydays]

Love her questions and her addressing issues and the writing in the book that most is all hypothetical. She's made her point , great questions. I did not see a breakdown. I think the title of this post is more discrimination. Not a fan of meldrum now watching this post because he's gray about everything. It's all hypothetical he doesn't prove anything. Pointless. I find it funny after going to court for so many years and watching cases. There are many things that are truth in courts and what people say. Especially from way back then more than likely truths. The Mormons have a tendency to blame everything that goes wrong on Satan. By the way the word of wisdom was never a commandment, it says it in the doctrine and covenants and should not be keeping you from the blessings of the church including the temple. Drinking coffee was not a commandment. Words of wisdom are just words of wisdom You might want to do your homework on that. But you can drink beer and barley that's in the word of wisdom. I'm proud of her for standing up for what she believed. She should have been more respectful about letting him talk but when he talked he was so far left, it changed the subject. Kind of gaslighting if you ask me he had no good answers.

[@amygreen758]

Mormonism is really good at training people to try and punish each other and get revenge. It's time to let go of that old training Noah.

[@eastcoastguy_0803]

I think Cara and John were a great team, but unfortunately angry mormons were spreading rumors about them. So I think she just used this opportunity to exit the show. Best luck of her.

[@zm3248]

Aren’t you on the same team as her? Why fight her for calling out speculative history? Seems sort of immature for a grown man to call names of a woman who is clearly just having a tough day further stressed by a man who is used to other women bowing before him? Let’s support women.

[@allibrinkerhoff2212]

I like her input. Only thing I don’t love is her self-deprecating comments. She catches herself doing it sometimes and then overcompensates by bragging. She needs to chill, but she’s not a scumbag.

[@NewNameNoah]

She is absolutely a scumbag. A MASSIVE scumbag with zero integrity.

[@lcutie36]

So much for being on the same team lol !! Anti and Ex members are not on the same team !

[@Nick-iw3ol]

Some one had to ruin it

[@annwood6812]

Don't kid yourself. John is as anti as they come. He just phrases things better.

[@carriew7980]

Exmos and exmos haven't been on the same team for decades already online. And I bet NNN knows that from personal experience as well.

[@lostdutchman3838]

I don’t think serious inquiry is her forte. Sarcastic comedy is her medium.

[@kerinielsen4077]

23:48 is her mic drop moment! I freakin loved it. Carrah is the best.

[@JBJones66]

Where are you getting this idea that she was asked to resign?