Nuclear Terraforming in Beyond All Reason! (INSANE Game)

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[@garrikcook5940]

"What am I gonna do walk there"? Orange response to his teammates wanting him to patrol north sea with his fleet had me dying with laughter. 1:11:05

[@Murasame13]

Time Stamp? Edit: 1:11:05

[@Sonlirain]

I find it funny how just about every single Spring Engine game has a variant of the Supcom trailer map.

[@randallbrewer6823]

There is another map on bar that is a better clone of Seton's Clutch if that is the map you are referring to , the long iconic land bridge and more to its scale. The map in the video is clearly inspired from that map lay out though, but the iconic land bridge is shorter / a sand bar and the scaling is over all smaller/ more cramped looking.

[@u13erfitz]

The supcom series had some goated maps. Despite the problems with supcom 2 the maps were insane as well.

[@krux02]

IIRC, somebody ported that map to Spring Engine pretty fast after that trailer and it became popular very fast. The trailer really was a very good trailer.

[@TarsonTalon]

Guess it's their version of 'Blood Gulch'...every game has got to have one.

[@XeroTheRenegade]

This match was such a back and forth of tactical oversights xD North built no fighters and no anti nuke, but we beat an uncontested navy player with hover tanks, then slugging it out in the middle for almost an hour, was an insane game! Was happy to play with everyone in it by the end.

[@calebwilliams586]

I thought the Lol cannon would end it but you guys took it like Champs. The mass bombing run on yellow did so much work

[@shadow7988]

It's unreal how both sides just refused to address air threats when they were by far doing most of the damage.

[@catbert7]

Right? WTF?

[@Yayaloy9]

I mean orange was the only thing stopping the planes on the right side. With Orange crossing to the north, it was free real estate. Orange come back to hopefully salvage the situation but no use. I kinda feel him.

[@jdave16]

Shift+Alt+Z and X are your friend for spacing out those base buildings. I learned that from your tips and tricks video.

[@andrewgreeb916]

Turns 10 destroyed buildings into only 2 destroyed for 2 inputs, amazing value

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

Pro tip: you can also use the thumb buttons on your mouse to space buildings by default.

[@jdave16]

@@BlGGESTBROTHER tell that to the 12 button MMO mouse I use.

[@Derdekify]

Best RTS match I have seen in ages, you did great Winter I can't imagine the sheer chaos of trying to perform while getting a nuclear launch notification every three seconds. Gifting econ to other players, inheriting DCed player bases, its extremely difficult to find a moment to formulate an updated strategy while all that is happening. Shiba telling orange he is going to the north sea is a top 10 video game moment for me now lol

[@pacemaker6328]

Its fun to watch you skill up on something new. Your ethic is impressive

[@pacemaker6328]

Causally micros between like a dozen bombers lol

[@pacemaker6328]

The world needs more angry Winter

[@alexanderkozhevnikov9087]

I've been waiting for some proper terraforming ever since that game where the Ragnarok cannon spent like 30+ minutes slowly teasingly eroding a mountain ridge that nukes just barely singed. You could tell it would probably eventually get through, but it never got the chance to finish.

[@catbert7]

7:30: OMFG LMAO xD 47:14: Daaamn. First a Calamity and now this massive ground invasion, countered by the lowly Commander, no less! Love it. 50:00: HOLY BOMBERS, BATMAN! =O 50:40: You're the best teammate ever this match

[@Vevvev8]

I feel like Winter just discovered seaplanes lol. Seaplane Torpedo gunships are devastating against all kinds of naval units in the game. Instead of doing a single pass they loiter and spit out torpedoes while doing side to side evasive maneuvers. They can also land in water and have sonar making them great area defense units.

[@ledgeexe1935]

Hell yeah, I wanted to see this for so long, the two water actually clashing in this map. damn cool game

[@TheDeathlyG]

TBF this game, you could have built anti-nuke for your front liners who were being dumb. You also didn't have your own anti-nuke up before the second missile launch, so it could have been you too. Also, a trick a few casters of the 4v4 tourny have been saying is to recycle your windmills once you hit fusion reactors. At that point, real-estate near your construction turrets is worth more than the 20 odd energy, and you get all your metal back. Most top tier players have started doing this, since you can make a single line of 2-by-whatever length construction turrets, and build fusions on one side, and metal converters on the other. Keeps base layouts simple, and if you're being bombed enough to blow up a fusion, you're losing about the same amount of stuff.

[@seanfitzgerald-mcgill6110]

Damn Winter. Sometimes, I have to remind myself you're only "diamond" level. When the heavily armed and armored robot dogs come to kill us all, I hope they're dancing to the music of steel drums.

[@bitemyassets7432]

I was watching this live and started watching casually at around midnight, planning on only wathcing a few minutes. I was still up at nearly 2am on a work night. Well played!

[@krux02]

Using nukes to build a new channel was actually a real plan in the real world. But somebody raised concerns and it was never implemented.

[@kirktown2046]

Was a good game to watch as an obs, MBT really carried the lion's share here. You guys were on the upper hand pretty well but they relentlessly eco'd and bounced back. Orange had no anti naval, just bombardment and anti air, so a dozen assault submarines ruined him. It's not more fighters that saves you from late game bombers, it's FLAK! T2 mobile flak and flak emplacements outperform the fancy long range aa missiles, the reload speed and lack of splash is just not enough to deal with 150+ unit air raids.

[@Etruscots]

Flak is amazing, in comparison the long range missiles are pretty good if they use small amount of air units but if they spam they don't do much and I feel like even against a cloud of fliers they tend to overkill the same air units, reducing their potential dps even more (unless one stacks all the 100+ units in a single spot and they all get one shot it but I would not rely on that).

[@kirktown2046]

​@@Etruscots Yeah the screamers and other super SAMS are great for area denial, team base coverage, vs early hornets, and vs dragons. But for actually killing air defensively, I'm a flak worshiper. Flak is probably over-tuned right now with how squishy air really is, but people are sleeping on it. Even 1-2 mobile flak can wreck small-medium swarms, and 5-8 can start to kill absurd amounts of stuff... If you have 20++ to have some proper coverage or flak emplacements slightly spaced out in 2x2's, they make short work of t1 fighter screens and chew through everything but dragons... And even dragons once you hit critical mass. It nearly makes air unviable. Fighters and ASF require space and time to be effective, they're valuable for mobility and efficiency, not raw stopping power. Honestly I love air so I should stop telling people about flak cause it really ruins an air player.

[@Murasame13]

1:15:00 orange really fumbled by trying to come back. He should've just full committed to taking out the calamity and pushing the north sea. Coming back does nothing but buy time for the enemy. Unfortunate. Then he pushes through the canal AGAIN, reverting all his progress he made in the first place to then losing significant units to a bunch of shit at the canal. This is a perfect example of making sure you are always making DECISIVE decisions and try not to doubt your team. Fumbling around and deciding to go, then turn around, then go again is just a death trap. Especially with navy.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

I’m still a SupCom fan, but after watching this I can really see why the game is called “Beyond All Reason.” It sure lives up to its title.

[@Teh-Penguin]

Alright. Solving the issue of having too much navy on one side with a nuke infused canal is awesome :D

[@C05597641]

Winter assumed they couldnt fight back and stopped building counters. That assumes the whole game was on him. Which it wasnt. A few more plasma shields would have prevented the collapse that happened.

[@carlsonbench1827]

I love the attitude difference between playing and spectating. This man is locked in

[@ericmollison2760]

Hotkey tips: CTRL+click to get 20 units on queue at once, SHIFT+click can be used to reclaim a lot at once as well as build. Other: when the enemy shows you what they are, believe them and build lots of fighters. Your explanation that you didn't want to compete with 2 players and would cede air control doesn't make sense. you have to compete. Obviously. It did seem like your team was completely depending on you, for the most part, so be more awesome! Unlike me who sucks at this game but still gives advice. One piece of advice I'd love to give but I haven't figured it out yet is how far apart clusters of fusion have to be to avoid a chain reaction. I think you have to cluster them because the blast radius is so big anyway but make a lot of spread out clusters. I know everyone knows this but nobody succeeds for some reason. If you are going to fail at least make one big cluster on the edge of the map so you have something left, and you know where they will attack. Maybe even surround it and windmills or something to deflect some bombs.

[@Angel90011]

considering the dmg u did at the start, combined by the fact blue got nuked..... the fact they managed to rebuild and win is surreal... and I dont blame u for that loss...... :p u did amazing

[@huggz7384]

You forgott 45min of lolcannon shelling all around their bases

[@u13erfitz]

I mean nukes are not often the auto win people think they are. I was playing a game with winter he got nuked and resigned. Fairly certain they pooled resources to get a quicker nuke. We won after 30 minutes. Typically, time is better spent doing a run by as opposed to a nuke. The real strength is nuking their frontline so your team can run through and destroy eco. Also once you get to the time you get nuked typically you have so much built-up recovery is easier than you think. I mean I have had my base wiped out 3 times and still have titans walking across map to end it.

[@zacattack32441]

@@u13erfitz Same as the lolcannon. I think in both games on this channel that Shiba is in they went for the cannon. In the other one they didn't even get the cannon up before the game was over.

[@rampagingroa8593]

I don't think I've ever seen a BAR player waste so much time buffing their APM by clicking in a circle for cons as soon as they are built.

[@EsperTripL]

Dude I love me some BAR! Just started playing it because of your cast video on the main channel. Huge fan of Total Annihilation back in the day, thanks for introducing me to it and hope to catch you in a lobby one of these days!

[@HateMachinist]

Balls of t1 AA bots on patrol hardcounter mass air-spam like that. Add t2 to the mix, and those bombers are a meme.

[@AlphaLimaTango]

1:11:17 "What am I gonna do?" "Im not a cybran" me = Dead

[@David_Brinkerhoff93]

Bionicshiba is a devout followers of Gandhi and the Buddha. His striving for peace and ecconomu should inspire us all to do better.... but not to play better.

[@f1shze4lot]

That 4 bomber attack was beautiful! Master at work

[@Caspenar]

I also found that really impressive but tbh it's mostly the opponents fault for not having any aa

[@gilles22]

Thanks has always for your amazing video !

[@Jagonath]

-In the heat of battle, things are crazy, but... -...Even as an amateur who has never played it was so obvious North would go full air against the far left. - Can't understand the lack of AA. Seems to me, that this was all that was needed. Don't even need to attack, just sea defence, then mass AA and fighters. Am I missing something massive?

[@T0tenkampf]

seems silly that the two pink players didn't turn the north end of your island into an AA nightmare

[@TheJackOfFools]

Right!? They just *kept getting hit*!

[@zacattack32441]

That and absolutely 0 pressure on north side.

[@willeatpants7691]

Winter sempai! Carry their asses! Orange had some some sass! "Orange send your fleet to the north sea!" "how? You want me to walk there..." 😂

[@kitsunekage12]

i've been playing too much crab champions not to recognize the music at the start

[@johnbaker7322]

Helluva game. Thanks for posting it.

[@apcfire]

I don't understand why OJ didn't just keep pushing? Why did he send his whole fleet back?

[@isitanos]

He had a lot of AA ships but not much to counter the subs and other anti-ship stuff he encountered on the other side

[@nightshadowninja3053]

45:22 the best bodyguard :D

[@DoubleJJizzle]

Man, that orange player at the end there, just made me face palm. I'm not that good a player, but come on man, you had everything over to the other side, and you ran away from the one thing you needed to kill.

[@bananastand9820]

Love the crab champion ost, its so good.

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

considering sketterman threw by not getting antinuke and shiba threw as always, managing to get ahead was pretty good

[@inajosmood]

ok, convinced, this is Beyond All Reason 😵‍💫🤩

[@rekrn12345]

Also feel like the guy controlling the calamity didn't know what he was doing. He wasn't targeting it properly.

[@jimguy607]

Epic battle... Loved the lolcannon

[@hugolorin2195]

Hi guys does somebody know the music in the background at 40min ?? If i m right it is not base game music (not the title displayed at least) Any help appreciated thanks

[@symboh6492]

Funny game, looked like you got mad complacent when the lolcannon went up.

[@AUSSigmaGamer]

Absolute F@cking epic match.... i'm blown away.

[@andydataguy]

That was a good game! Please don't wait for shields though haha

[@dankrue2549]

What a game. Truly worth the watch.

[@rickabay]

i'd love to see a stealth unit kill opponent general unit using self district damage bonus !!! love how your team mates ragnarok was shooting a mountain while your units wear watching the show and perishing:( TY great content

[@rekrn12345]

I feel like orange stagnated pretty hard. He just held that coast and never pushed. He could have done sea bombers and a lot of other stuff. Also nobody on winters team ever took any of the islands which are key spots.

[@JJS563]

Ah yes, Setons Clutch A fine, fine map

[@Vevvev8]

Seton's Clutch always delivers some excellent games!

[@JokeofAllButts]

You decided a hour into the replay that you wanted to play an island map instead and just made it happen.. Thats pretty based.

[@danielpiesto532]

Where do you get this music from?

[@rekrn12345]

Don't think I have ever seen a game where they took that much early game damage from bomber runs, a nuke and then constant barrage from a calamity and still somehow survived lol.

[@Jordan-bw3wr]

how did u get the hotkey on ur buildings?

[@s1nb4d59]

That was a good fight to watch.

[@petrbumbalek4831]

Absolutely no scouting at the end. They had no idea what was comming ...

[@Fr0styz01]

Supreme Strait actually turned into a Straight (I mean, a canal since it's man-made but still)

[@Demokrat11]

what an epic match and game

[@jforozco12]

i wanna see sc2 vets playing a gigantic 8v8 . all the big names duking it out in BAR would be fantastic

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

I'd do anything to see Maru play this game. Imagine the transport micro he could pull off 🤣

[@56bturn]

You mean StarCraft 2 or Supreme Commander 2?

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

@@56bturn I think he meant starcraft 2

[@jforozco12]

@@BlGGESTBROTHER i did!

[@kyjo72682]

Good map layout! Looks like a smaller version of Seton's Clutch from SupCom which has seen some epic games..

[@Jagonath]

INSANE!

[@HiroTeaShi]

I agree. This game was insane.

[@jon-michaellane3781]

That music at 1:20:00 was epic

[@LeakysTV]

That 20 bombers comment hurt 😅

[@andrewgreeb916]

Going for the old school bomber strat, send too many bombers so enough arrive at the target.

[@LeakysTV]

@@andrewgreeb916 last time i made 20 bomber in a game with winter and i fk up and he still remember XD

[@u_t2347]

How do you make a square of building instructions? I can only make lines.

[@isitanos]

It's either Alt+Shift or Ctrl+Shift, can't remember.

[@OMGSoothsayer95]

What a game!

[@thedestroyerofhats]

I need to crank my aircraft production up like 4 entier orders of magnitude

[@angels7338]

I didn't get it, why allied yellow turret stopped shooting?

[@T0tenkampf]

nice to see MBT focus on the game and not being toxic in chat for once, he has the skills to be a top player

[@DigitalHawk96]

"How the the f are you 28 TS" to me the other day. And now I'm 30 TS hmm

[@ZC.Andrew]

Terraforming is what most RTS miss out on (probably for balance reasons). Now I am curious...

[@manumaster1990]

nice

[@everythingpapig3006]

Wow great game,

[@koin88love]

Amazing game

[@alphalance9408]

Damn this game was insane😭

[@Sibb13]

Insane game!

[@coffeeandkhaos]

Omg it's legit just Setons Clutch from supreme Commander

[@bouchmuad26]

You should try to nuke the lower plain on the map Forge. It's really effevtive :P

[@P_Petkov]

Was there a mod for clearing the sand with nukes or standard mechanic?

[@Lodosswar100]

No mod, you can make a Lava pit on some maps as well.

[@andrewgreeb916]

That's just the base game, nukes and other explosions tear at the terrain, with enough you can hit the water/ lava line. With enough nuking you can naval invade on a land map

[@DevonLen]

Standard mechanic

[@56bturn]

@@andrewgreeb916 With enough nuking you can buy extra time against a survival boss by digging a big ol' hole.

[@nicksmith3431]

they may have felt bad, but it looked good lol

[@o0O0ooO0Oo]

How in hell got MTB recoverd that crazy good from getting nuked !? Seriously he had more than all of his teammates... WTF!?!?!

[@ashernight9317]

if someone finds out the song at the start please share it

[@philipwalker3868]

Winter bro can you send me a music link to minute 3:40 cuz that sound is banging

[@ZachRE88]

What a game! Well played EXCEPT for not building jugs. Always jugs. Jugs through the eastern sea protected by orange could have been the play. Same thing that MBT did to you guys

[@rogue-ish5713]

+ 25 MMR for the Titan Bouncer

[@stop_3342]

Kinda stupid question, but: What's the button for the bombing command?

[@OMGSoothsayer95]

you want right-click and drag probably

[@kirktown2046]

N + left click and dragon or right click on a target and drag.

[@HenningWest]

Canal at @01:11:50

[@gramsobie2989]

1:11:47 - This is the moment.

[@user-ly2en8eu4c]

So its basically Seton

[@PandaGutter]

7:45 It is Touhou : BAR edition ?

[@JJS563]

Your bottom and top players should focus water gameplay, your point player should focus land and then switch into either pond and you rear players should focus Air and eco

[@Anubis7169]

East water pink took forever to take his lake, then sat on the shore for 30 min not doing anything. He couldve killed teal with longbows, help hold mid with longbows, and rushed east with hovercraft. nope just sit there

[@sir9129]

I was magenta in that game and dying to air raids over and over again was pain

[@pacemaker6328]

I mean, you were explicitly told to build AA after bombers were scouted…

[@sir9129]

@@pacemaker6328 i admit the first bombing raid was my fault but the second was something I cant stop even if I built AA

[@isitanos]

@@sir9129 Enough flak can stop about any air rush, seems to be the word.

[@andrey007728]

СЕТООООООН!

[@atray6579]

KZbin putting TA in the description is so funny xd

[@andyderp6473]

Imagine team mates building t2 aa

[@highend79]

Problem with north sea there is no one patrolling it...

[@czarkusa2018]

Poor boy :(

[@leudast1215]

Incompetent players is why I stopped playing multiplayer team-based-RTS years ago. Just too frustrating. It's a reminder that standard deviation for skill level is extremely high.

[@thomaskositzki9424]

I wish I was any good at this game. I tried so hard, got maybe 200 hrs in this game, have read and watched ALL tutorials... Still lose against AI on a bad day. Can't get above 18 cmds/s. 😢